• Re: "out of the forrests"

    From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Tue Mar 22 13:53:59 2022
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 4:22:08 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Human ancestors did NOT “move out of the forrests, into the open land” as I just read!! Yes, it's incredible, but this nonsense is still repeated over & over.
    If we had left the forests for the savanna or so, we had had a fur protecting us from the sun, no naked skin, no abundant water+sodium-excreting sweat-glands, no thick fat-layers, not flat plantigrade feet, no heel-walking, no atrophied olfaction etc.
    etc.etc.
    No: most likely, schematically, our early-Pleistocene ancestors (Homo s.s.) moved out of the swamp/mangrove forests, into the shallow coastal seas around the Indian Ocean (collecting shellfish etc.), whereas australopiths=apes remained in the (less wet)
    forests.
    Google “ape human evolution made easy PPT Verhaegen” & “coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT” (+ references).
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    Homo has never left their forest home without forest products (poles, firewood, spears, etc.) until Hs went to the moon.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 22 13:22:07 2022
    Human ancestors did NOT “move out of the forrests, into the open land” as I just read!! Yes, it's incredible, but this nonsense is still repeated over & over.
    If we had left the forests for the savanna or so, we had had a fur protecting us from the sun, no naked skin, no abundant water+sodium-excreting sweat-glands, no thick fat-layers, not flat plantigrade feet, no heel-walking, no atrophied olfaction etc.etc.
    etc.
    No: most likely, schematically, our early-Pleistocene ancestors (Homo s.s.) moved out of the swamp/mangrove forests, into the shallow coastal seas around the Indian Ocean (collecting shellfish etc.), whereas australopiths=apes remained in the (less wet)
    forests.
    Google “ape human evolution made easy PPT Verhaegen” & “coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT” (+ references).

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Tue Mar 22 13:59:30 2022
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:

    Human ancestors did NOT “move out of the forrests, into the open land” as I just read!!
    Yes, it's incredible, but this nonsense is still repeated over & over.

    You succeed in academia by listening to the professor and the regurgitating every word EXACTLY. You do not get good grades by rejecting what you are
    told.

    In certain instances this makes a lot of sense. You really can't compromise with the laws of physics. You order yourself up a new periodic table. And in any type of math, you do it the right way or you get the wrong anger. So this rigid education system, this punishment of free thinking serves us well...

    EXCEPT when you move away from the strictly objective to the subjective.

    There is no strict answer for human evolution, our origins, and there isn't even
    a solid method for collecting evidence... or determining what is and is not evidence.

    What it boils down to is that 1+1=2 is a fact, but in paleo anthropology pretty much everything is an opinion. People collective evidence -- or what we think of as evidence -- and then interpret it.

    Even DNA: The labs can determine EXACTLY what it looks like, but there is nothing in this world that tells us how it got that way. Every explanation is mere theory...

    If we had left the forests for the savanna or so, we had had a fur protecting us from the sun, no naked skin, no abundant water+sodium-excreting sweat-glands, no thick fat-layers, not flat plantigrade feet, no heel-walking, no
    atrophied olfaction etc.etc.etc.

    The beauty of Aquatic Ape is that there is room to adapt. Monkeys can eat shell fish, they don't have to first evolve into upright walking tool users. That can come
    later. Doesn't have to, but it can.

    The savanna nonsense pretty much requires adaptation FIRST. They have to
    evolve FIRST, they need adaptations FIRST before they take to the savanna. And, again, aquatic ape provides the answer...

    They exploit the sea. There's an over supply of proteins. The sea supports a higher population density. But it also guarantees us a periodic movement
    inland in response to conflicts, natural disasters, changing sea level (etc).

    The higher your population density, the more vulnerable you are to even short term disruptions of food. So occasionally they followed streams inland, or
    they got trapped by rising sea levels or they were driven off by conflict and, BAM, they're in a new environment. They've got an upright stature, bigger brains, tools and they need to innovate to survive...






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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 22 14:02:25 2022
    DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

    Homo has never left their forest home without forest products (poles, firewood, spears, etc.)
    until Hs went to the moon.

    I found that documentary you're quoting:

    https://youtu.be/wY6insZjCfU

    Not convinced, me.



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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 22 14:14:21 2022
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 4:54:00 PM UTC-4, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 4:22:08 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Human ancestors did NOT “move out of the forrests, into the open land” as I just read!! Yes, it's incredible, but this nonsense is still repeated over & over.
    If we had left the forests for the savanna or so, we had had a fur protecting us from the sun, no naked skin, no abundant water+sodium-excreting sweat-glands, no thick fat-layers, not flat plantigrade feet, no heel-walking, no atrophied olfaction etc.
    etc.etc.
    No: most likely, schematically, our early-Pleistocene ancestors (Homo s.s.) moved out of the swamp/mangrove forests, into the shallow coastal seas around the Indian Ocean (collecting shellfish etc.), whereas australopiths=apes remained in the (less
    wet) forests.
    Google “ape human evolution made easy PPT Verhaegen” & “coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT” (+ references).
    -

    Homo has never left their forest home without forest products (poles, firewood, spears, etc.) until Hs went to the moon.

    Homo has never left their forest home without forest products (poles, firewood, spears, etc.) until Hs went to the moon.

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