1)
-All primates live in forests, only human live outside forests.
-All primates are quadrupedal, only humans are bipedal.
Ergo: leaving the forests led to bipedality.

2)
-Human closest relatives Pan & Gorilla live in Africa.
-Humans live in Africa & elsewhere.
Ergo: human ancestors lived in Africa.

3)
-In Africa we have tropical forest & savanna.
Ergo: leaving the forest means linving in savanna.

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littor...@gmail.com wrote:

1)
-All primates live in forests, only human live outside forests.
-All primates are quadrupedal, only humans are bipedal.
Ergo: leaving the forests led to bipedality.

2)
-Human closest relatives Pan & Gorilla live in Africa.
-Humans live in Africa & elsewhere.
Ergo: human ancestors lived in Africa.

3)
-In Africa we have tropical forest & savanna.
Ergo: leaving the forest means linving in savanna.

There's also a MASSIVE selection bias. They dig where it's both
easy to dig and the conditions favor fossilization, AND THEN
assume anything they pull out of the ground is representative
of human ancestry.

I've been pointing to the Glacial/Interglacial cycle for 10 hundred
gazillion years: Lengthy glacial periods punctuated by much
briefer interglacials, like the one screaming towards an end right
now. During glacial periods -- i.e. most of the time -- sea levals
were much lower and the coast was further out. So the best
place to look for our ancestors is actually beneath the waves.

Nobody is searching for our common ancestors, they're all
looking for inland populations. Some of the inland populations
may have living descendants, all the inland populations may have
living descendants but none of them are common to everyone.

Only the Aquatic Ape/waterside population is common to everyone.




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On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 4:24:14 AM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:

1)
-All primates live in forests, only human live outside forests.
-All primates are quadrupedal, only humans are bipedal.
Ergo: leaving the forests led to bipedality.

2)
-Human closest relatives Pan & Gorilla live in Africa.
-Humans live in Africa & elsewhere.
Ergo: human ancestors lived in Africa.

3)
-In Africa we have tropical forest & savanna.
Ergo: leaving the forest means linving in savanna.

All hominoids are mostly vertical upright bipedal in forest trees, and on forest ground when impeded by carrying or walking in water or thick brush. Leaving the forests for open plains or open water did not select for or against bipedalism in hominoids
nor in avians. LCA HPG and LCA HP most likely lived near or in Africa. Humans did not leave the forest, but brought it with them in the form of forest products and still remain dependent upon them. All people of treeless plains and and coastal shores and
deserts used wood for shelters, tools and weapons.

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DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

All hominoids are mostly vertical upright bipedal in forest trees, and

Chimps are descended from upright walkers, not knuckle walkers, and
Gorillas probably were as well. Their knuckle walking is an adaptation
to the forests which only arose sometime after they diverged from the
human line.

The mostly likely scenario is that competition from the human side of
the family drove them to a new niche or, as I content, drove them from
a more generalist existence to a specialist niche.





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Op zondag 13 maart 2022 om 04:05:03 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

1)
-All primates live in forests, only human live outside forests.
-All primates are quadrupedal, only humans are bipedal.
Ergo: leaving the forests led to bipedality.
2)
-Human closest relatives Pan & Gorilla live in Africa.
-Humans live in Africa & elsewhere.
Ergo: human ancestors lived in Africa.
3)
-In Africa we have tropical forest & savanna.
Ergo: leaving the forest means linving in savanna.

All hominoids are mostly vertical upright bipedal in forest trees,

No: in forest swamps, e.g.
- gorillas wading for sedges,
- bonobos wading for waterlilies.
Google our Trends Ecol.Evol.paper "Aquarboreal Ancestors?" TREE 21:212-7.

... LCA HPG and LCA HP most likely lived near or in Africa.

Yes, my boy, at the Red Sea or Gulf between Africa & Arabia.
Why don't you inform a bit before talking??
You're wasting our time.
Google "ape human evolution made easy PPT Verhaegen".

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On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 6:38:37 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:

Op zondag 13 maart 2022 om 04:05:03 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

1)
-All primates live in forests, only human live outside forests.
-All primates are quadrupedal, only humans are bipedal.
Ergo: leaving the forests led to bipedality.
2)
-Human closest relatives Pan & Gorilla live in Africa.
-Humans live in Africa & elsewhere.
Ergo: human ancestors lived in Africa.
3)
-In Africa we have tropical forest & savanna.
Ergo: leaving the forest means linving in savanna.

All hominoids are mostly vertical upright bipedal in forest trees.

No:

Wrong.

in forest swamps, e.g.

- gorillas wading for sedges,

Wrong, sedges are a "fallback food" which are too 'fibrous' for their normal diet. They do eat high-protein hydrocharis, a "preferred food" year around, in forest bais, as I recently posted here, they mostly sit while finger-raking it, and locomote both
quadrupedally and bipedally, whereas in trees they don't locomote quadrupedally. Study a bit, you might learn something about real apes.

- bonobos wading for waterlilies.

Bonobos locomote both quadrupedally and bipedally while seeking high-iodine swamp plants, whereas in trees they don't locomote quadrupedally. Study a bit, you might learn something about real apes.

Google our Trends Ecol.Evol.paper "Aquarboreal Ancestors?" TREE 21:212-7.

Pseudoscience?

... LCA HPG and LCA HP most likely lived near or in Africa.

Yes

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DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

Bonobos locomote both quadrupedally and bipedally while seeking

Who cares? They're not a model for our ancestors. They're not even a model
for the LCA.

Chimps including Bonobo Chimps descend from upright walkers. They've
been evolving AWAY from that ever since.

CHIMPS ARE AS FAR REMOVED FROM THE LCA AS WE ARE!

Darwin was a moron, and so aren't you.





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