I just read:

Pickering & Bunn [2007] criticized the meagre evidence of Liebenberg [2006]: “Over the course of 20 years, only 2 of the ER* hunts observed by Liebenberg were spontaneous. 8 others were prompted by Liebenberg, so that they could be filmed for TV
documentaries. ... they were undertaken by the same 4 individual hunters. Only 3 of the 8 prompted ER hunts were successful, even though those hunts were commenced from a vehicle, and hunters refilled their water bottles during hunting.”

:-DDD

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On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 7:05:03 PM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:

I just read:

Pickering & Bunn [2007] criticized the meagre evidence of Liebenberg [2006]: “Over the course of 20 years, only 2 of the ER* hunts observed by Liebenberg were spontaneous. 8 others were prompted by Liebenberg, so that they could be filmed for TV

documentaries. ... they were undertaken by the same 4 individual hunters. Only 3 of the 8 prompted ER hunts were successful, even though those hunts were commenced from a vehicle, and hunters refilled their water bottles during hunting.”

:-DDD

The endurance running scenario is based on a coming-of-age ritual where the young men chase a group of ungulates into a canyon where the elders awaited with weapons. Similar active drives were done in Anatolia and the New World, though without the
exaggeration.

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Op zondag 27 februari 2022 om 01:48:35 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

I just read:
Pickering & Bunn [2007] criticized the meagre evidence of Liebenberg [2006]: “Over the course of 20 years, only 2 of the ER* hunts observed by Liebenberg were spontaneous. 8 others were prompted by Liebenberg, so that they could be filmed for TV

documentaries. ... they were undertaken by the same 4 individual hunters. Only 3 of the 8 prompted ER hunts were successful, even though those hunts were commenced from a vehicle, and hunters refilled their water bottles during hunting.” :-DDD

The endurance running scenario is based on a coming-of-age ritual where the young men chase a group of ungulates into a canyon where the elders awaited with weapons. Similar active drives were done in Anatolia and the New World, though without the

exaggeration.

Yes, my boy, but you have to bea complete idiot to believe that your Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes: Pickering & Bunn [2007] criticized the meagre evidence of Liebenberg [2006]: “Over the course of 20 years, only 2 of the ER hunts observed
by Liebenberg were spontaneous. 8 others were prompted by Liebenberg, so that they could be filmed for TV documentaries. ... they were undertaken by the same 4 individual hunters. Only 3 of the 8 prompted ER hunts were successful, even though those
hunts were commenced from a vehicle, and hunters refilled their water bottles during hunting.”

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littor...@gmail.com wrote:

I just read:

Pickering & Bunn [2007] criticized the meagre evidence of Liebenberg [2006]: “Over the course of 20 years, only 2 of the ER* hunts observed
by Liebenberg were spontaneous. 8 others were prompted by Liebenberg, so that they could be filmed for TV documentaries. ... they were
undertaken by the same 4 individual hunters. Only 3 of the 8 prompted ER hunts were successful, even though those hunts were commenced
from a vehicle, and hunters refilled their water bottles during hunting.”

Did it ever occur to them that you don't need big brains or spears to endurance hunt?

If you're running an animal to exhaustion, once it drops they could just walk up to it
& start carving, if they have a rock with a sharp edge.

So we "Evolved" by endurance running? But that requires us to already be runners,
doesn't it? So we evolved into runners by not running?

Maybe our ancestors spent a hundred thousand years trying to endurance run, and failed because we hadn't evolved to run yet, but after all those years where they
starved to death they suddenly could run?

Nothing about this "Evolutionary Significant" enduring hunting thing makes any sense.





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On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 2:35:48 AM UTC-5, I Envy JTEM wrote:

littor...@gmail.com wrote:

I just read:

Pickering & Bunn [2007] criticized the meagre evidence of Liebenberg [2006]: “Over the course of 20 years, only 2 of the ER* hunts observed
by Liebenberg were spontaneous. 8 others were prompted by Liebenberg, so that they could be filmed for TV documentaries. ... they were
undertaken by the same 4 individual hunters. Only 3 of the 8 prompted ER hunts were successful, even though those hunts were commenced
from a vehicle, and hunters refilled their water bottles during hunting.”

Did it ever occur to them that you don't need big brains or spears to sleep?

If you're running an animal to exhaustion, once it drops they could just walk up to it
& start carving, if they have a rock with a sharp edge.

Strawman.

So we "Evolved" into endurance running? But that requires us to already be aquatic sleepers?
doesn't it? So we evolved into runners by diving like manatees?

Maybe our ancestors spent a hundred thousand years trying to endurance run,

No jermy, they slept in domeshields and carried them in forests. Endurance running is as irrelevant as aquatic sleeping.

and

failed because we hadn't evolved to run yet, but after all those years where they
starved to death they suddenly could run?

Nothing about this "Evolutionary Significant" enduring hunting thing makes any
sense.

Right, you got detoured into diving vs running false dichotomy ignoring the need for safe sleep. Pretending works for mermaids, not for science.

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DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

[...]

You are the usenet equivalent to farting in a crowded elevator.



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DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

I Envy JTEM wrote:

Did it ever occur to them that you don't need big brains to endurance hunt?

I pick my nose and eat it. Yum! It's so good. No seafood diet!

Thanks for sharing.





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On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:48:11 AM UTC-5, I Envy JTEM wrote:

DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

I Envy JTEM wrote:

Did it ever occur to them that you don't need big brains to endurance hunt?

I pick my nose and eat it. Yum! It's so good. No seafood diet!

You misspelled lick & yam.

Thanks for sharing.

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Jermy wormy squirmy.

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DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:

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Like I said, you don't need a bigger brain or good tools in order to
endurance hunt. You're running down an animal to exhaustion, or
so you claim, so no weapons there. All you need is a rock with a
sharp edge to start cutting...

The most likely model is that such inland activity, presuming it
ever actually took place amongst archaics, was limited to INLAND
populations. They left the waterside population behind -- during an interglacial, or a natural disaster, or maybe fleeing a epidemic, or
maybe just stupidly following a river/stream inland too far -- and
they had to find new sources of food. So, without a tool set
optimized for such an environment, and not having had time enough
yet to figure out the whole hunting thing by trial & error, they kind of
just moronically said, "Hey! There's an animal! Let's all eat it!" But
as they walked towards the animal it walked away so they started
running and it started running and they eventually starved to death
or died of thirst.

Great model.

But it makes far more sense than any other savanna nonsense model.





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On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:49:17 PM UTC-5, I Envy JTEM wrote:

DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
[...]

Like I said, you don't need a bigger brain or good tools in order to endurance hunt. You're running down an animal to exhaustion, or
so you claim, so no weapons there. All you need is a rock with a
sharp edge to start cutting...

The most likely model is that such inland activity, presuming it
ever actually took place amongst archaics, was limited to INLAND
populations. They left the waterside population behind -- during an interglacial, or a natural disaster, or maybe fleeing a epidemic, or
maybe just stupidly following a river/stream inland too far -- and
they had to find new sources of food. So, without a tool set
optimized for such an environment, and not having had time enough
yet to figure out the whole hunting thing by trial & error, they kind of
just moronically said, "Hey! There's an animal! Let's all eat it!" But
as they walked towards the animal it walked away so they started
running and it started running and they eventually starved to death
or died of thirst.

Great model.

But it makes far more sense than any other savanna nonsense model.

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Fantasy level 3.

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Yup, you would have to be "cognitively disabled" to think that humans evolved by/to "endurance hunting."

There's simply no selective pressure to grow larger brains, increase development
or even to experiment with new tools.

No selective pressure, what that blithering idiot, Darwin, called "Natural Selection."

...stealing the term from Wallace, didn't he?




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