• Energetics of human subsistence

    From Pandora@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 3 13:57:31 2022
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Mon Jan 3 18:46:13 2022
    On 3.1.2022. 18:42, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 13:57, Pandora wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

            Why you are confining yourself to such idiocy?
            First, it weren't humans that changed themselves, it were apes
    who changed themselves. The LCA was human-like.
            Second thing, this *didn't* lead to larger brains in H.naledi and H.floresiensis.
            I mean, this whole hypothesis is upside down, my god. I cannot
    believe that I have greater knowledge than those stupid scientists, with their stupid theses. So, they "found the evidence", lol, a bunch of idiots.

    I mean, what those people were taught in school? Do they accept the
    evidence from the last 30 years? Have they even heard about them? Have
    they ever thought about them? Did it have *any* impression on them, or
    is the brain washing they went through their schooling everything that
    their brain can accept?

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to Pandora on Mon Jan 3 18:42:02 2022
    On 3.1.2022. 13:57, Pandora wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

    Why you are confining yourself to such idiocy?
    First, it weren't humans that changed themselves, it were apes who
    changed themselves. The LCA was human-like.
    Second thing, this *didn't* lead to larger brains in H.naledi and
    H.floresiensis.
    I mean, this whole hypothesis is upside down, my god. I cannot believe
    that I have greater knowledge than those stupid scientists, with their
    stupid theses. So, they "found the evidence", lol, a bunch of idiots.

    --
    https://groups.google.com/g/human-evolution
    human-evolution@googlegroups.com

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Mon Jan 3 18:51:29 2022
    On 3.1.2022. 18:46, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:42, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 13:57, Pandora wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html >>>

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

             Why you are confining yourself to such idiocy?
             First, it weren't humans that changed themselves, it were >> apes who changed themselves. The LCA was human-like.
             Second thing, this *didn't* lead to larger brains in H.naledi
    and H.floresiensis.
             I mean, this whole hypothesis is upside down, my god. I
    cannot believe that I have greater knowledge than those stupid
    scientists, with their stupid theses. So, they "found the evidence",
    lol, a bunch of idiots.

            I mean, what those people were taught in school? Do they accept
    the evidence from the last 30 years? Have they even heard about them?
    Have they ever thought about them? Did it have *any* impression on them,
    or is the brain washing they went through their schooling everything
    that their brain can accept?

    Lets see, "A team of researchers affiliated with...":
    - multiple institutions in the U.S.
    - the Institute for Advanced Study in Toulouse, France
    - the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany
    May god.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Mon Jan 3 18:55:27 2022
    On 3.1.2022. 18:51, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:46, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:42, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 13:57, Pandora wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html >>>>

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

             Why you are confining yourself to such idiocy?
             First, it weren't humans that changed themselves, it were >>> apes who changed themselves. The LCA was human-like.
             Second thing, this *didn't* lead to larger brains in
    H.naledi and H.floresiensis.
             I mean, this whole hypothesis is upside down, my god. I >>> cannot believe that I have greater knowledge than those stupid
    scientists, with their stupid theses. So, they "found the evidence",
    lol, a bunch of idiots.

             I mean, what those people were taught in school? Do they
    accept the evidence from the last 30 years? Have they even heard about
    them? Have they ever thought about them? Did it have *any* impression
    on them, or is the brain washing they went through their schooling
    everything that their brain can accept?

            Lets see, "A team of researchers affiliated with...":
    - multiple institutions in the U.S.
    - the Institute for Advanced Study in Toulouse, France
    - the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany
            May god.

    And then those bunch of idiots are producing this *vapourware*, a fog,
    one after the other.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr on Mon Jan 3 19:09:56 2022
    On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 18:55:27 +0100, Mario Petrinovic <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 3.1.2022. 18:51, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:46, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:42, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 13:57, Pandora wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html >>>>>

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

             Why you are confining yourself to such idiocy?
             First, it weren't humans that changed themselves, it were
    apes who changed themselves. The LCA was human-like.
             Second thing, this *didn't* lead to larger brains in
    H.naledi and H.floresiensis.
             I mean, this whole hypothesis is upside down, my god. I
    cannot believe that I have greater knowledge than those stupid
    scientists, with their stupid theses. So, they "found the evidence",
    lol, a bunch of idiots.

             I mean, what those people were taught in school? Do they
    accept the evidence from the last 30 years? Have they even heard about
    them? Have they ever thought about them? Did it have *any* impression
    on them, or is the brain washing they went through their schooling
    everything that their brain can accept?

            Lets see, "A team of researchers affiliated with...":
    - multiple institutions in the U.S.
    - the Institute for Advanced Study in Toulouse, France
    - the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany
            May god.

    And then those bunch of idiots are producing this *vapourware*, a fog,
    one after the other.

    Are you done?
    Go outside and get some fresh air.

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  • From Paul Crowley@21:1/5 to Pandora on Mon Jan 3 11:40:43 2022
    On Monday 3 January 2022 at 12:57:33 UTC, Pandora wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Does the full paper say anything more informative
    or sensible than:
    ". . . it is not clear how the energy and time budgets of early human
    foragers and farmers shifted to accommodate expensive traits . . " ?

    Are they claiming that early hominins farmed? Or
    is that just misleading expression?

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

    Don't know the context for this but, at least, the
    clams don't run away. Go down at low tide, and
    you don't even need to get wet.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to Pandora on Mon Jan 3 21:11:37 2022
    On 3.1.2022. 19:09, Pandora wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 18:55:27 +0100, Mario Petrinovic <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 3.1.2022. 18:51, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:46, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:42, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 13:57, Pandora wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html


    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

             Why you are confining yourself to such idiocy?
             First, it weren't humans that changed themselves, it were
    apes who changed themselves. The LCA was human-like.
             Second thing, this *didn't* lead to larger brains in >>>>> H.naledi and H.floresiensis.
             I mean, this whole hypothesis is upside down, my god. I >>>>> cannot believe that I have greater knowledge than those stupid
    scientists, with their stupid theses. So, they "found the evidence", >>>>> lol, a bunch of idiots.

             I mean, what those people were taught in school? Do they >>>> accept the evidence from the last 30 years? Have they even heard about >>>> them? Have they ever thought about them? Did it have *any* impression
    on them, or is the brain washing they went through their schooling
    everything that their brain can accept?

            Lets see, "A team of researchers affiliated with...":
    - multiple institutions in the U.S.
    - the Institute for Advanced Study in Toulouse, France
    - the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany
            May god.

    And then those bunch of idiots are producing this *vapourware*, a fog,
    one after the other.

    Are you done?
    Go outside and get some fresh air.

    Hm, I don't understand why you are generally taking such a high stance, when you are not on the level. Is following the views of the
    majority the reason for you to take high stance?
    I do like your contributions to this group, they are always interesting. The problem is, your response to your own contribution is
    pretty blunt.

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    human-evolution@googlegroups.com

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to Paul Crowley on Mon Jan 3 21:21:10 2022
    On 3.1.2022. 20:40, Paul Crowley wrote:
    On Monday 3 January 2022 at 12:57:33 UTC, Pandora wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Does the full paper say anything more informative
    or sensible than:
    ". . . it is not clear how the energy and time budgets of early human foragers and farmers shifted to accommodate expensive traits . . " ?

    Are they claiming that early hominins farmed? Or
    is that just misleading expression?

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

    Don't know the context for this but, at least, the
    clams don't run away. Go down at low tide, and
    you don't even need to get wet.

    She is just being stupid, nothing else. Some stupid paper says that
    this is so, so it *must* be so, lol:
    https://youtu.be/ZMFLjx47G88?t=231

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr on Mon Jan 3 21:41:21 2022
    On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 21:11:37 +0100, Mario Petrinovic <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 3.1.2022. 19:09, Pandora wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 18:55:27 +0100, Mario Petrinovic
    <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 3.1.2022. 18:51, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:46, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:42, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 13:57, Pandora wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html


    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

             Why you are confining yourself to such idiocy?
             First, it weren't humans that changed themselves, it were >>>>>> apes who changed themselves. The LCA was human-like.
             Second thing, this *didn't* lead to larger brains in
    H.naledi and H.floresiensis.
             I mean, this whole hypothesis is upside down, my god. I
    cannot believe that I have greater knowledge than those stupid
    scientists, with their stupid theses. So, they "found the evidence", >>>>>> lol, a bunch of idiots.

             I mean, what those people were taught in school? Do they
    accept the evidence from the last 30 years? Have they even heard about >>>>> them? Have they ever thought about them? Did it have *any* impression >>>>> on them, or is the brain washing they went through their schooling
    everything that their brain can accept?

            Lets see, "A team of researchers affiliated with...":
    - multiple institutions in the U.S.
    - the Institute for Advanced Study in Toulouse, France
    - the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany
            May god.

    And then those bunch of idiots are producing this *vapourware*, a fog,
    one after the other.

    Are you done?
    Go outside and get some fresh air.

    Hm, I don't understand why you are generally taking such a high
    stance, when you are not on the level. Is following the views of the
    majority the reason for you to take high stance?
    I do like your contributions to this group, they are always
    interesting. The problem is, your response to your own contribution is
    pretty blunt.

    Yours is hysterical. You post 4 consecutive replies in little over 10
    minutes and they're nothing but a rant.

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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to Pandora on Mon Jan 3 23:14:40 2022
    On 3.1.2022. 21:41, Pandora wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 21:11:37 +0100, Mario Petrinovic <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 3.1.2022. 19:09, Pandora wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 18:55:27 +0100, Mario Petrinovic
    <mario.petrinovic1@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 3.1.2022. 18:51, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:46, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:42, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 13:57, Pandora wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html


    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

             Why you are confining yourself to such idiocy? >>>>>>>          First, it weren't humans that changed themselves, it were
    apes who changed themselves. The LCA was human-like.
             Second thing, this *didn't* lead to larger brains in >>>>>>> H.naledi and H.floresiensis.
             I mean, this whole hypothesis is upside down, my god. I
    cannot believe that I have greater knowledge than those stupid
    scientists, with their stupid theses. So, they "found the evidence", >>>>>>> lol, a bunch of idiots.

             I mean, what those people were taught in school? Do they
    accept the evidence from the last 30 years? Have they even heard about >>>>>> them? Have they ever thought about them? Did it have *any* impression >>>>>> on them, or is the brain washing they went through their schooling >>>>>> everything that their brain can accept?

            Lets see, "A team of researchers affiliated with...": >>>>> - multiple institutions in the U.S.
    - the Institute for Advanced Study in Toulouse, France
    - the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany
            May god.

    And then those bunch of idiots are producing this *vapourware*, a fog,
    one after the other.

    Are you done?
    Go outside and get some fresh air.

    Hm, I don't understand why you are generally taking such a high >> stance, when you are not on the level. Is following the views of the
    majority the reason for you to take high stance?
    I do like your contributions to this group, they are always
    interesting. The problem is, your response to your own contribution is
    pretty blunt.

    Yours is hysterical. You post 4 consecutive replies in little over 10
    minutes and they're nothing but a rant.

    So what? I have a reason to rant. Regarding replies, you can reply how
    many times you want, who told you that you cannot?
    Regarding hysteria, hysteria has a reason and purpose. But, I assure
    you, I know what I am doing *exactly*, this is calculated behavior, I
    wasn't hysterical, but I wouldn't mind being hysterical never-the-less.

    --
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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Pandora on Tue Jan 4 22:46:25 2022
    On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 1:09:59 PM UTC-5, Pandora wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 18:55:27 +0100, Mario Petrinovic
    <mario.pe...@zg.htnet.hr> wrote:

    On 3.1.2022. 18:51, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:46, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 18:42, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 3.1.2022. 13:57, Pandora wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html


    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

    Why you are confining yourself to such idiocy?
    First, it weren't humans that changed themselves, it were
    apes who changed themselves. The LCA was human-like.
    Second thing, this *didn't* lead to larger brains in
    H.naledi and H.floresiensis.
    I mean, this whole hypothesis is upside down, my god. I
    cannot believe that I have greater knowledge than those stupid
    scientists, with their stupid theses. So, they "found the evidence", >>>> lol, a bunch of idiots.

    I mean, what those people were taught in school? Do they
    accept the evidence from the last 30 years? Have they even heard about >>> them? Have they ever thought about them? Did it have *any* impression
    on them, or is the brain washing they went through their schooling
    everything that their brain can accept?

    Lets see, "A team of researchers affiliated with...":
    - multiple institutions in the U.S.
    - the Institute for Advanced Study in Toulouse, France
    - the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany
    May god.

    And then those bunch of idiots are producing this *vapourware*, a fog,
    one after the other.
    Are you done?
    Go outside and get some fresh air.
    Ranting aside...

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to Paul Crowley on Thu Jan 13 13:38:29 2022
    Paul Crowley wrote:
    On Monday 3 January 2022 at 12:57:33 UTC, Pandora wrote:
    https://phys.org/news/2021-12-early-humans-gained-energy-acquisition.html

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0130

    Does the full paper say anything more informative
    or sensible than:
    ". . . it is not clear how the energy and time budgets of early human foragers and farmers shifted to accommodate expensive traits . . " ?

    Are they claiming that early hominins farmed? Or

    No. The text before that makes it *quite* clear:

    "the rise of agriculture ~12,000 years ago, which was accompanied by substantial increases in fertility and population densities. These
    transitions are associated with the exploitation of novel food sources,
    but it is not clear how the energy and time budgets of early human
    foragers and farmers shifted to accommodate expensive traits."

    "rise of agriculture ~12,000 years ago"

    is that just misleading expression?

    Right, a kudu provides much more energy than a clam.

    Don't know the context for this but, at least, the
    clams don't run away. Go down at low tide, and
    you don't even need to get wet.

    Context? Big game gives meat, hides, bones, etc Eat for a long time, depending on the size of the social group.

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