Choppers(chisels?) were used 2.6ma, handaxes 1ma. All that time very sharp very thin flakes of obsidian, chert, flint, basalt were available for shaving ultra-thin slices of beef/auroch, hippo, elephantids, rats, whale, seal, fish, octopus, yams, etcetc. I think this was done, and salted and/or wind-sun dried. (I think parasites would be removed by sight by experts (the hunters and their partners & mothers.)) UV radiation kills parasitic worms, though I'm not sure if it kills their eggs. I think
I'm certainly not saying they were hypercarnivores, but rather that they remained omnivores while partaking in the seasonal harvests, and moving their bands in circuits of plenty, and that prosciutto/prsut/serrano of some sort was normal, while thicksteaks and meaty chunks were never consumed until full fire domestication & stewpots evolved.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-archaeologists-resolve-ages-old-evolutionary-conundrum-1.9835193
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israelis-crack-2-million-year-old-mystery-about-stone-tools-1.9465132
On 29.12.2021. 14:28, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
Choppers(chisels?) were used 2.6ma, handaxes 1ma. All that time very
sharp very thin flakes of obsidian, chert, flint, basalt were
available for shaving ultra-thin slices of beef/auroch, hippo,
elephantids, rats, whale, seal, fish, octopus, yams, etc etc. I think
this was done, and salted and/or wind-sun dried. (I think parasites
would be removed by sight by experts (the hunters and their partners &
mothers.)) UV radiation kills parasitic worms, though I'm not sure if
it kills their eggs. I think these shavings/morsels were chewed like
chewing gum, uncooked, dehydrated and then rehydrated by salivary
enzymes, possibly rolled on wild lettuce or grape leaves or seaweed
slices. Maybe with mushrooms.
I'm certainly not saying they were hypercarnivores, but rather that
they remained omnivores while partaking in the seasonal harvests, and
moving their bands in circuits of plenty, and that
prosciutto/prsut/serrano of some sort was normal, while thick steaks
and meaty chunks were never consumed until full fire domestication &
stewpots evolved.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-archaeologists-resolve-ages-old-evolutionary-conundrum-1.9835193
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israelis-crack-2-million-year-old-mystery-about-stone-tools-1.9465132
Bloody idiots. To get to the bone marrow? And what's wrong with
meat, you bloody idiots?
Choppers(chisels?) were used 2.6ma, handaxes 1ma. All that time very sharp very thin flakes of obsidian, chert, flint, basalt were available for shaving ultra-thin slices of beef/auroch, hippo, elephantids, rats, whale, seal, fish, octopus, yams, etcetc.
etc.Choppers(chisels?) were used 2.6ma, handaxes 1ma. All that time very sharp very thin flakes of obsidian, chert, flint, basalt were available for shaving ultra-thin slices of beef/auroch, hippo, elephantids, rats, whale, seal, fish, octopus, yams, etc
:-DDD
This is even more idiotic than running after antelopes...
:-DDD
On 29.12.2021. 18:32, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 29.12.2021. 14:28, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
Choppers(chisels?) were used 2.6ma, handaxes 1ma. All that time very
sharp very thin flakes of obsidian, chert, flint, basalt were available
for shaving ultra-thin slices of beef/auroch, hippo, elephantids, rats,
whale, seal, fish, octopus, yams, etc etc. I think this was done, and
salted and/or wind-sun dried. (I think parasites would be removed by
sight by experts (the hunters and their partners & mothers.)) UV
radiation kills parasitic worms, though I'm not sure if it kills their
eggs. I think these shavings/morsels were chewed like chewing gum,
uncooked, dehydrated and then rehydrated by salivary enzymes, possibly
rolled on wild lettuce or grape leaves or seaweed slices. Maybe with
mushrooms.
I'm certainly not saying they were hypercarnivores, but rather that
they remained omnivores while partaking in the seasonal harvests, and
moving their bands in circuits of plenty, and that
prosciutto/prsut/serrano of some sort was normal, while thick steaks
and meaty chunks were never consumed until full fire domestication &
stewpots evolved.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-archaeologists-resolve-ages-old-evolutionary-conundrum-1.9835193
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israelis-crack-2-million-year-old-mystery-about-stone-tools-1.9465132
Bloody idiots. To get to the bone marrow? And what's wrong with
meat, you bloody idiots?
I mean, what? They killed (or "scavenged") all those animals just
so that they can leave meat to the dogs, and take some bone marrow?
Shouldn't be the other way around? Are they blind?
For preciutto to slice, you need to have really sharp *metal* knife.
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:03:50 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 29.12.2021. 18:32, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 29.12.2021. 14:28, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote: >>>
Choppers(chisels?) were used 2.6ma, handaxes 1ma. All that time very >>> sharp very thin flakes of obsidian, chert, flint, basalt were available
for shaving ultra-thin slices of beef/auroch, hippo, elephantids, rats,
whale, seal, fish, octopus, yams, etc etc. I think this was done, and >>> salted and/or wind-sun dried. (I think parasites would be removed by >>> sight by experts (the hunters and their partners & mothers.)) UV
radiation kills parasitic worms, though I'm not sure if it kills their >>> eggs. I think these shavings/morsels were chewed like chewing gum,
uncooked, dehydrated and then rehydrated by salivary enzymes, possibly >>> rolled on wild lettuce or grape leaves or seaweed slices. Maybe with >>> mushrooms.
I'm certainly not saying they were hypercarnivores, but rather that >>> they remained omnivores while partaking in the seasonal harvests, and >>> moving their bands in circuits of plenty, and that
prosciutto/prsut/serrano of some sort was normal, while thick steaks >>> and meaty chunks were never consumed until full fire domestication & >>> stewpots evolved.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-archaeologists-resolve-ages-old-evolutionary-conundrum-1.9835193
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israelis-crack-2-million-year-old-mystery-about-stone-tools-1.9465132
Bloody idiots. To get to the bone marrow? And what's wrong with
meat, you bloody idiots?
I mean, what? They killed (or "scavenged") all those animals just
so that they can leave meat to the dogs, and take some bone marrow? Shouldn't be the other way around? Are they blind?
For preciutto to slice, you need to have really sharp *metal* knife.
The meat wasn't wasted. Bone marrow is very nutritious. It was just more from the carcass.
See, for example
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_marrow_(food)>
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/701477
Origins of the Human Predatory Pattern: The Transition to Large-Animal Exploitation
by Early Hominins
AbstractChunks of meat were not eaten, but ultrathin slices exposed to sunlight UV, wind were salivated and chewed
The habitual consumption of large-animal resources (e.g., similar sized or larger
than the consumer) separates human and nonhuman primate behavior. Flaked stone tool use, another important hominin behavior, is often portrayed as being
functionally related to this by the necessity of a sharp edge for cutting animal
tissue. However, most research on both issues emphasizes sites that postdate ca.
2.0 million years ago. This paper critically examines the theoretical significance of
the earlier origins of these two behaviors, their proposed interrelationship, and
the nature of the empirical record. We argue that concepts of meat-eating and
tool use are too loosely defined: outside-bone nutrients (e.g., meat) and inside-bone nutrients (e.g., marrow and brains) have different macronutrient
characteristics (protein vs. fat), mechanical requirements for access (cutting vs.
percussion), search, handling and competitive costs, encounter rates, and net
returns. Thus, they would have demanded distinct technological and behavioral
solutions. We propose that the regular exploitation of large-animal resources—
the “human predatory pattern”—began with an emphasis on percussion-based
scavenging of inside-bone nutrients, independent of the emergence of flaked
stone tool use. This leads to a series of empirical test implications that differ from
previous “meat-eating” origins scenarios.
Mario Petrinovic wrote:Chunks of meat were not eaten, but ultrathin slices exposed to sunlight UV, wind were salivated and chewed
On 29.12.2021. 18:32, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 29.12.2021. 14:28, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
Choppers(chisels?) were used 2.6ma, handaxes 1ma. All that time very
sharp very thin flakes of obsidian, chert, flint, basalt were available >>> for shaving ultra-thin slices of beef/auroch, hippo, elephantids, rats, >>> whale, seal, fish, octopus, yams, etc etc. I think this was done, and >>> salted and/or wind-sun dried. (I think parasites would be removed by
sight by experts (the hunters and their partners & mothers.)) UV
radiation kills parasitic worms, though I'm not sure if it kills their >>> eggs. I think these shavings/morsels were chewed like chewing gum,
uncooked, dehydrated and then rehydrated by salivary enzymes, possibly >>> rolled on wild lettuce or grape leaves or seaweed slices. Maybe with
mushrooms.
I'm certainly not saying they were hypercarnivores, but rather that
they remained omnivores while partaking in the seasonal harvests, and >>> moving their bands in circuits of plenty, and that
prosciutto/prsut/serrano of some sort was normal, while thick steaks
and meaty chunks were never consumed until full fire domestication &
stewpots evolved.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-archaeologists-resolve-ages-old-evolutionary-conundrum-1.9835193
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israelis-crack-2-million-year-old-mystery-about-stone-tools-1.9465132
Bloody idiots. To get to the bone marrow? And what's wrong with >> meat, you bloody idiots?
I mean, what? They killed (or "scavenged") all those animals just so that they can leave meat to the dogs, and take some bone marrow? Shouldn't be the other way around? Are they blind?
For preciutto to slice, you need to have really sharp *metal* knife.
The meat wasn't wasted. Bone marrow is very nutritious. It was just more from the carcass.
See, for example
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_marrow_(food)>
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/701477
Origins of the Human Predatory Pattern: The Transition to Large-Animal Exploitation
by Early Hominins
Abstract
The habitual consumption of large-animal resources (e.g., similar sized or larger
than the consumer) separates human and nonhuman primate behavior. Flaked stone tool use, another important hominin behavior, is often portrayed as being
functionally related to this by the necessity of a sharp edge for cutting animal
tissue. However, most research on both issues emphasizes sites that
postdate ca.
2.0 million years ago. This paper critically examines the theoretical significance of
the earlier origins of these two behaviors, their proposed interrelationship, and
the nature of the empirical record. We argue that concepts of meat-eating and
tool use are too loosely defined: outside-bone nutrients (e.g., meat) and inside-bone nutrients (e.g., marrow and brains) have different macronutrient characteristics (protein vs. fat), mechanical requirements for access (cutting vs.
percussion), search, handling and competitive costs, encounter rates, and net
returns. Thus, they would have demanded distinct technological and behavioral
solutions. We propose that the regular exploitation of large-animal resources—
the “human predatory pattern”—began with an emphasis on percussion-based
scavenging of inside-bone nutrients, independent of the emergence of flaked stone tool use. This leads to a series of empirical test implications that differ from
previous “meat-eating” origins scenarios.
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 5:43:18 AM UTC-5, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:03:50 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 29.12.2021. 18:32, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 29.12.2021. 14:28, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote: >>>
Choppers(chisels?) were used 2.6ma, handaxes 1ma. All that time very >>> sharp very thin flakes of obsidian, chert, flint, basalt were available
for shaving ultra-thin slices of beef/auroch, hippo, elephantids, rats,
whale, seal, fish, octopus, yams, etc etc. I think this was done, and
salted and/or wind-sun dried. (I think parasites would be removed by >>> sight by experts (the hunters and their partners & mothers.)) UV
radiation kills parasitic worms, though I'm not sure if it kills their
eggs. I think these shavings/morsels were chewed like chewing gum, >>> uncooked, dehydrated and then rehydrated by salivary enzymes, possibly
rolled on wild lettuce or grape leaves or seaweed slices. Maybe with >>> mushrooms.
I'm certainly not saying they were hypercarnivores, but rather that >>> they remained omnivores while partaking in the seasonal harvests, and
moving their bands in circuits of plenty, and that
prosciutto/prsut/serrano of some sort was normal, while thick steaks >>> and meaty chunks were never consumed until full fire domestication & >>> stewpots evolved.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-archaeologists-resolve-ages-old-evolutionary-conundrum-1.9835193
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israelis-crack-2-million-year-old-mystery-about-stone-tools-1.9465132
Bloody idiots. To get to the bone marrow? And what's wrong with
meat, you bloody idiots?
I mean, what? They killed (or "scavenged") all those animals just
so that they can leave meat to the dogs, and take some bone marrow? Shouldn't be the other way around? Are they blind?
For preciutto to slice, you need to have really sharp *metal* knife.
The meat wasn't wasted. Bone marrow is very nutritious. It was just more from the carcass.
See, for example
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_marrow_(food)>
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/701477
Origins of the Human Predatory Pattern: The Transition to Large-Animal Exploitation
by Early Hominins
Amazing coincidence? The Semitic people who lived along the low-UV region around the Dead Sea made special rules about food, diet, cooking: kosher/kashrut could not rely on low-UV parasite radiation, so they banned pork.AbstractChunks of meat were not eaten, but ultrathin slices exposed to sunlight UV, wind were salivated and chewed
The habitual consumption of large-animal resources (e.g., similar sized or
larger
than the consumer) separates human and nonhuman primate behavior. Flaked stone tool use, another important hominin behavior, is often portrayed as
being
functionally related to this by the necessity of a sharp edge for cutting
animal
tissue. However, most research on both issues emphasizes sites that postdate ca.
2.0 million years ago. This paper critically examines the theoretical significance of
the earlier origins of these two behaviors, their proposed interrelationship, and
the nature of the empirical record. We argue that concepts of meat-eating and
tool use are too loosely defined: outside-bone nutrients (e.g., meat) and
inside-bone nutrients (e.g., marrow and brains) have different macronutrient
characteristics (protein vs. fat), mechanical requirements for access (cutting vs.
percussion), search, handling and competitive costs, encounter rates, and net
returns. Thus, they would have demanded distinct technological and behavioral
solutions. We propose that the regular exploitation of large-animal resources—
the “human predatory pattern”—began with an emphasis on percussion-based
scavenging of inside-bone nutrients, independent of the emergence of flaked
stone tool use. This leads to a series of empirical test implications that
differ from
previous “meat-eating” origins scenarios.
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 5:48:13 AM UTC-5, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:radiation due to the extreme low elevation and high ozone. Sun-wind drying and salting thin sliced pork thus would NOT kill pathogens within the flesh, so any non-cooked consumption (or hand-processing of pre-cooked meat) would guarantee continued
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 5:43:18 AM UTC-5, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:03:50 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 29.12.2021. 18:32, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 29.12.2021. 14:28, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
Choppers(chisels?) were used 2.6ma, handaxes 1ma. All that time very
sharp very thin flakes of obsidian, chert, flint, basalt were available
for shaving ultra-thin slices of beef/auroch, hippo, elephantids, rats,
whale, seal, fish, octopus, yams, etc etc. I think this was done, and
salted and/or wind-sun dried. (I think parasites would be removed by
sight by experts (the hunters and their partners & mothers.)) UV >>> radiation kills parasitic worms, though I'm not sure if it kills their
eggs. I think these shavings/morsels were chewed like chewing gum, >>> uncooked, dehydrated and then rehydrated by salivary enzymes, possibly
rolled on wild lettuce or grape leaves or seaweed slices. Maybe with
mushrooms.
I'm certainly not saying they were hypercarnivores, but rather that
they remained omnivores while partaking in the seasonal harvests, and
moving their bands in circuits of plenty, and that
prosciutto/prsut/serrano of some sort was normal, while thick steaks
and meaty chunks were never consumed until full fire domestication &
stewpots evolved.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-archaeologists-resolve-ages-old-evolutionary-conundrum-1.9835193
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israelis-crack-2-million-year-old-mystery-about-stone-tools-1.9465132
Bloody idiots. To get to the bone marrow? And what's wrong with
meat, you bloody idiots?
I mean, what? They killed (or "scavenged") all those animals just
so that they can leave meat to the dogs, and take some bone marrow? Shouldn't be the other way around? Are they blind?
For preciutto to slice, you need to have really sharp *metal* knife.
The meat wasn't wasted. Bone marrow is very nutritious. It was just more
from the carcass.
See, for example
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_marrow_(food)>
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/701477
Origins of the Human Predatory Pattern: The Transition to Large-Animal Exploitation
by Early Hominins
Southern Europeans have historic traditions of pork slicing and sun-wind drying in the mountains, the ancient Hebrews had strict prohibition against touching, cooking and eating all pork. They occupied the region around the Dead Sea, which has no UVAmazing coincidence? The Semitic people who lived along the low-UV region around the Dead Sea made special rules about food, diet, cooking: kosher/kashrut could not rely on low-UV parasite radiation, so they banned pork.AbstractChunks of meat were not eaten, but ultrathin slices exposed to sunlight UV, wind were salivated and chewed
The habitual consumption of large-animal resources (e.g., similar sized or
larger
than the consumer) separates human and nonhuman primate behavior. Flaked
stone tool use, another important hominin behavior, is often portrayed as
being
functionally related to this by the necessity of a sharp edge for cutting
animal
tissue. However, most research on both issues emphasizes sites that postdate ca.
2.0 million years ago. This paper critically examines the theoretical significance of
the earlier origins of these two behaviors, their proposed interrelationship, and
the nature of the empirical record. We argue that concepts of meat-eating and
tool use are too loosely defined: outside-bone nutrients (e.g., meat) and
inside-bone nutrients (e.g., marrow and brains) have different macronutrient
characteristics (protein vs. fat), mechanical requirements for access (cutting vs.
percussion), search, handling and competitive costs, encounter rates, and net
returns. Thus, they would have demanded distinct technological and behavioral
solutions. We propose that the regular exploitation of large-animal resources—
the “human predatory pattern”—began with an emphasis on percussion-based
scavenging of inside-bone nutrients, independent of the emergence of flaked
stone tool use. This leads to a series of empirical test implications that
differ from
previous “meat-eating” origins scenarios.
I'd guess that the Dead Sea lowland pork prohibition existed long before being written in the Torah scrolls.
DDeden
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:09:57 PM UTC-5, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:radiation due to the extreme low elevation and high ozone. Sun-wind drying and salting thin sliced pork thus would NOT kill pathogens within the flesh, so any non-cooked consumption (or hand-processing of pre-cooked meat) would guarantee continued
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 5:48:13 AM UTC-5, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 5:43:18 AM UTC-5, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:03:50 AM UTC-5, Primum Sapienti wrote:
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 29.12.2021. 18:32, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 29.12.2021. 14:28, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
Choppers(chisels?) were used 2.6ma, handaxes 1ma. All that time very
sharp very thin flakes of obsidian, chert, flint, basalt were available
for shaving ultra-thin slices of beef/auroch, hippo, elephantids, rats,
whale, seal, fish, octopus, yams, etc etc. I think this was done, and
salted and/or wind-sun dried. (I think parasites would be removed by
sight by experts (the hunters and their partners & mothers.)) UV >>> radiation kills parasitic worms, though I'm not sure if it kills their
eggs. I think these shavings/morsels were chewed like chewing gum,
uncooked, dehydrated and then rehydrated by salivary enzymes, possibly
rolled on wild lettuce or grape leaves or seaweed slices. Maybe with
mushrooms.
I'm certainly not saying they were hypercarnivores, but rather that
they remained omnivores while partaking in the seasonal harvests, and
moving their bands in circuits of plenty, and that
prosciutto/prsut/serrano of some sort was normal, while thick steaks
and meaty chunks were never consumed until full fire domestication &
stewpots evolved.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-archaeologists-resolve-ages-old-evolutionary-conundrum-1.9835193
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israelis-crack-2-million-year-old-mystery-about-stone-tools-1.9465132
Bloody idiots. To get to the bone marrow? And what's wrong with >> meat, you bloody idiots?
I mean, what? They killed (or "scavenged") all those animals just so that they can leave meat to the dogs, and take some bone marrow?
Shouldn't be the other way around? Are they blind?
For preciutto to slice, you need to have really sharp *metal* knife.
The meat wasn't wasted. Bone marrow is very nutritious. It was just more
from the carcass.
See, for example
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_marrow_(food)>
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/701477
Origins of the Human Predatory Pattern: The Transition to Large-Animal
Exploitation
by Early Hominins
Southern Europeans have historic traditions of pork slicing and sun-wind drying in the mountains, the ancient Hebrews had strict prohibition against touching, cooking and eating all pork. They occupied the region around the Dead Sea, which has no UVAmazing coincidence? The Semitic people who lived along the low-UV region around the Dead Sea made special rules about food, diet, cooking: kosher/kashrut could not rely on low-UV parasite radiation, so they banned pork.AbstractChunks of meat were not eaten, but ultrathin slices exposed to sunlight UV, wind were salivated and chewed
The habitual consumption of large-animal resources (e.g., similar sized or
larger
than the consumer) separates human and nonhuman primate behavior. Flaked
stone tool use, another important hominin behavior, is often portrayed as
being
functionally related to this by the necessity of a sharp edge for cutting
animal
tissue. However, most research on both issues emphasizes sites that postdate ca.
2.0 million years ago. This paper critically examines the theoretical
significance of
the earlier origins of these two behaviors, their proposed interrelationship, and
the nature of the empirical record. We argue that concepts of meat-eating and
tool use are too loosely defined: outside-bone nutrients (e.g., meat) and
inside-bone nutrients (e.g., marrow and brains) have different macronutrient
characteristics (protein vs. fat), mechanical requirements for access
(cutting vs.
percussion), search, handling and competitive costs, encounter rates, and net
returns. Thus, they would have demanded distinct technological and behavioral
solutions. We propose that the regular exploitation of large-animal resources—
the “human predatory pattern”—began with an emphasis on percussion-based
scavenging of inside-bone nutrients, independent of the emergence of flaked
stone tool use. This leads to a series of empirical test implications that
differ from
previous “meat-eating” origins scenarios.
I'd guess that the Dead Sea lowland pork prohibition existed long before being written in the Torah scrolls.
DDedenHypothesis nicely confirmed, butchery using tiny flint flakes to cut thin slices of meat at revadim site:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-49650-8
But site is a quarry at south coastal plain rather than at Dead Sea where UV is lowest.
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