I see not a single reason why this kind of lifestyle wouldn't exist 200 kya. Take out the red ochre, and it could exist 1 mya.
I see no "nomadic lifestyle" here. Those people are *adapted* just for this specific environment. They have language, they have
culture evolved for this environment, and for no other. Other tribes,
that live in other environments, are adapted for other environments. It doesn't mean that this particular tribe cannot live in other
environments, it does have all the necessary skills, it is just that
there they would meet competition, competition from tribes that are
better adapted to that other environment. So, they keep staying in this environment where they are (of course, when major changes come, some
turmoil will be).
The "nomadic" lifestyle is in areas where you follow big herds,
for some reason. I see that those people can tame cows.
This "progression meme" is necessary to fit into "intelligence
meme". Supposedly we are "intelligent" today, so the question is, why we wouldn't be able to live like this 1 mya, if we were just as
intelligent? No, we cannot because of the reasons you stupid bastards
don't understand. For example, until Arabian peninsula became a desert,
you couldn't accumulate wealth, because your neighbors will attack you.
There are no kings in Ind civilization. Why? Because they cannot
accumulate enough of wealth.
And so on, and so on...
https://youtu.be/Lgw5zdFnesI
https://youtu.be/Tlk8ZOTi6y4
I see not a single reason why this kind of lifestyle wouldn't existWhen the food is nearly finished, move to the next spot, or go hungry. The food must regenerate, which takes time and space and energy. Nomadism is cyclical/seasonal. Agriculture depends on trade, which transfers food from elsewhere, so is nomadic.
200 kya. Take out the red ochre, and it could exist 1 mya.
I see no "nomadic lifestyle" here. Those people are *adapted* just for
this specific environment. They have language, they have culture evolved
for this environment, and for no other. Other tribes, that live in other environments, are adapted for other environments. It doesn't mean that
this particular tribe cannot live in other environments, it does have
all the necessary skills, it is just that there they would meet
competition, competition from tribes that are better adapted to that
other environment. So, they keep staying in this environment where they
are (of course, when major changes come, some turmoil will be).
The "nomadic" lifestyle is in areas where you follow big herds, for
some reason. I see that those people can tame cows.
This "progression meme" is necessary to fit into "intelligence meme". Supposedly we are "intelligent" today, so the question is, why we
wouldn't be able to live like this 1 mya, if we were just as
intelligent? No, we cannot because of the reasons you stupid bastards
don't understand. For example, until Arabian peninsula became a desert,
you couldn't accumulate wealth, because your neighbors will attack you.
There are no kings in Ind civilization. Why? Because they cannot
accumulate enough of wealth.
And so on, and so on...
https://youtu.be/Lgw5zdFnesI
https://youtu.be/Tlk8ZOTi6y4
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On 15.12.2021. 13:44, Mario Petrinovic wrote:Spirit is nomadic, body is until death.
I see not a single reason why this kind of lifestyle wouldn'tHa, ha, this is interesting.
exist 200 kya. Take out the red ochre, and it could exist 1 mya.
I see no "nomadic lifestyle" here. Those people are *adapted*
just for this specific environment. They have language, they have
culture evolved for this environment, and for no other. Other tribes,
that live in other environments, are adapted for other environments. It doesn't mean that this particular tribe cannot live in other
environments, it does have all the necessary skills, it is just that
there they would meet competition, competition from tribes that are
better adapted to that other environment. So, they keep staying in this environment where they are (of course, when major changes come, some turmoil will be).
The "nomadic" lifestyle is in areas where you follow big herds,
for some reason. I see that those people can tame cows.
This "progression meme" is necessary to fit into "intelligence meme". Supposedly we are "intelligent" today, so the question is, why we wouldn't be able to live like this 1 mya, if we were just as
intelligent? No, we cannot because of the reasons you stupid bastards
don't understand. For example, until Arabian peninsula became a desert,
you couldn't accumulate wealth, because your neighbors will attack you. There are no kings in Ind civilization. Why? Because they cannot
accumulate enough of wealth.
And so on, and so on...
https://youtu.be/Lgw5zdFnesI
https://youtu.be/Tlk8ZOTi6y4
Let's see how I see the necessary preconditions for progress (roughly,
just a showcase):
- you need to have secluded community to be able to accumulate wealth
- before that you need to have an agriculture product that can be easily stored, transported (cereals)
- before that you need to develop blade technology to pick up that product
- before that you need to have metal (hematite) to be able to better
carve stone and wood tools
- and so on, and so on...
Now, let's see the necessary preconditions as seen through the eyes of
top scientists:
- the only precondition is that you need to "see God", or,
"scientifically" speaking, become "spiritual", somehow. And then they
mention all the "evidence" that this happened. They didn't grind
hematite to carve better tools, oh no, they did it to paint with it,
because they are, oh so, spiritual. They didn't bury their deceased
because now they have something to bury them with (a wooden shovel
carved with hematite), oh no, they buried them because they became "spiritual".
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On 15.12.2021. 13:44, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
I see not a single reason why this kind of lifestyle wouldn't
exist 200 kya. Take out the red ochre, and it could exist 1 mya.
I see no "nomadic lifestyle" here. Those people are *adapted*
just for this specific environment. They have language, they have
culture evolved for this environment, and for no other. Other tribes,
that live in other environments, are adapted for other environments.
It doesn't mean that this particular tribe cannot live in other
environments, it does have all the necessary skills, it is just that
there they would meet competition, competition from tribes that are
better adapted to that other environment. So, they keep staying in
this environment where they are (of course, when major changes come,
some turmoil will be).
The "nomadic" lifestyle is in areas where you follow big
herds, for some reason. I see that those people can tame cows.
This "progression meme" is necessary to fit into
"intelligence meme". Supposedly we are "intelligent" today, so the
question is, why we wouldn't be able to live like this 1 mya, if we
were just as intelligent? No, we cannot because of the reasons you
stupid bastards don't understand. For example, until Arabian peninsula
became a desert, you couldn't accumulate wealth, because your
neighbors will attack you. There are no kings in Ind civilization.
Why? Because they cannot accumulate enough of wealth.
And so on, and so on...
https://youtu.be/Lgw5zdFnesI
https://youtu.be/Tlk8ZOTi6y4
Ha, ha, this is interesting.
Let's see how I see the necessary preconditions for progress (roughly, just a showcase):
- you need to have secluded community to be able to accumulate wealth
- before that you need to have an agriculture product that can be easily stored, transported (cereals)
- before that you need to develop blade technology to pick up that product
- before that you need to have metal (hematite) to be able to better
carve stone and wood tools
- and so on, and so on...
Now, let's see the necessary preconditions as seen through the
eyes of top scientists:
- the only precondition is that you need to "see God", or,
"scientifically" speaking, become "spiritual", somehow. And then they
mention all the "evidence" that this happened. They didn't grind
hematite to carve better tools, oh no, they did it to paint with it,
because they are, oh so, spiritual. They didn't bury their deceased
because now they have something to bury them with (a wooden shovel
carved with hematite), oh no, they buried them because they became "spiritual".
On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 7:44:58 AM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
I see not a single reason why this kind of lifestyle wouldn't existWhen the food is nearly finished, move to the next spot, or go hungry. The food must regenerate, which takes time and space and energy. Nomadism is cyclical/seasonal. Agriculture depends on trade, which transfers food from elsewhere, so is nomadic.
200 kya. Take out the red ochre, and it could exist 1 mya.
I see no "nomadic lifestyle" here. Those people are *adapted* just for
this specific environment. They have language, they have culture evolved
for this environment, and for no other. Other tribes, that live in other
environments, are adapted for other environments. It doesn't mean that
this particular tribe cannot live in other environments, it does have
all the necessary skills, it is just that there they would meet
competition, competition from tribes that are better adapted to that
other environment. So, they keep staying in this environment where they
are (of course, when major changes come, some turmoil will be).
The "nomadic" lifestyle is in areas where you follow big herds, for
some reason. I see that those people can tame cows.
This "progression meme" is necessary to fit into "intelligence meme".
Supposedly we are "intelligent" today, so the question is, why we
wouldn't be able to live like this 1 mya, if we were just as
intelligent? No, we cannot because of the reasons you stupid bastards
don't understand. For example, until Arabian peninsula became a desert,
you couldn't accumulate wealth, because your neighbors will attack you.
There are no kings in Ind civilization. Why? Because they cannot
accumulate enough of wealth.
And so on, and so on...
https://youtu.be/Lgw5zdFnesI
https://youtu.be/Tlk8ZOTi6y4
I see not a single reason why this kind of lifestyle wouldn't exist
200 kya.
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
I see not a single reason why this kind of lifestyle wouldn't exist
200 kya.
#1. Metallurgy was about 200k years away from being invented. As was...
#2. The domestication of cattle. And of course...
#3. Agriculture or even proto agriculture for that matter.
#4. So called "Moderns" didn't exist. Sure, the social program that calls itself paleo anthropology loves to claim otherwise but nothing that looks like an "Anatomically Modern Human" existed.
So I couldn't think of a single reason either. Four extremely good reasons, plural, but not "one" reason... just four...
#1. Hematite is metal, which is even harder (but more brittle) than pure iron. Ever heard of hematite? If you have heard of hematite, how can you
say that there wasn't a metallurgy?
#2. There is an excellent evidence for herding bovids 1.5 mya.
#3. Do you know what is the evidence of agriculture?
We had blade technology in upper paleolithic.
#4. Homo sapiens is 300 ky old. Neanderthals 250 ky old.
Mario Petrinovic wrote:Throwing it at Jtem, knocking him out, then stealing his coins.
#1. Hematite is metal, which is even harder (but more brittle) than pure iron. Ever heard of hematite? If you have heard of hematite, how can you say that there wasn't a metallurgy?Metallurgy != Picking up a rock
#2. There is an excellent evidence for herding bovids 1.5 mya.No there isn't.
#3. Do you know what is the evidence of agriculture?Agriculture changes the people and the plants, but the changes to people
are more obvious.
We had blade technology in upper paleolithic."Agriculture" is not Greek for "Stone napping."
#4. Homo sapiens is 300 ky old. Neanderthals 250 ky old.Neanderthals are Homo sapiens.
The issue is that there are no anatomically modern humans going back
200,000 years. Period.
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Mario Petrinovic wrote:
#1. Hematite is metal, which is even harder (but more brittle) than pure
iron. Ever heard of hematite? If you have heard of hematite, how can you
say that there wasn't a metallurgy?
Metallurgy != Picking up a rock
#2. There is an excellent evidence for herding bovids 1.5 mya.
No there isn't.
#3. Do you know what is the evidence of agriculture?
Agriculture changes the people and the plants, but the changes to people
are more obvious.
We had blade technology in upper paleolithic.
"Agriculture" is not Greek for "Stone napping."
#4. Homo sapiens is 300 ky old. Neanderthals 250 ky old.
Neanderthals are Homo sapiens.
The issue is that there are no anatomically modern humans going back
200,000 years. Period.
Metallurgy != Picking up a rock= Grinding
Agriculture changes the people and the plants, but the changes to people are more obvious.
A change happened 1.7 mya. H.habilis to H.erectus.
"Agriculture" is not Greek for "Stone napping."
Neanderthals are Homo sapiens.
The issue is that there are no anatomically modern humans going back 200,000 years. Period.
You really don't know a sh.t. The lineage of H.sapiens and
Neanderthals split before H. Heidelbergensis. H. Heidelbergensis is not ancestor of H. sapiens, but it is ancestor of Neanderthals (per the
newest genetic research).
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Metallurgy != Picking up a rock= Grinding
So show us. Post a cite to this metallurgy that you speak of.
Agriculture changes the people and the plants, but the changes to people >>> are more obvious.
A change happened 1.7 mya. H.habilis to H.erectus.
It didn't not. Not any change with agriculture.
Where are the settlements? The storage facilities? The specialized tools
for planting, harvesting and even processing the grains for eating?
"Agriculture" is not Greek for "Stone napping."
Still stands.
--Neanderthals are Homo sapiens.
The issue is that there are no anatomically modern humans going back
200,000 years. Period.
You really don't know a sh.t. The lineage of H.sapiens and
Neanderthals split before H. Heidelbergensis. H. Heidelbergensis is not
ancestor of H. sapiens, but it is ancestor of Neanderthals (per the
newest genetic research).
You're part Neanderthal and your last Neanderthal ancestor was a great
deal more recent that 200k years ago.
On 18.12.2021. 20:02, I Envy JTEM wrote:
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Metallurgy != Picking up a rock= Grinding
So show us. Post a cite to this metallurgy that you speak of.
Agriculture changes the people and the plants, but the changes to
people
are more obvious.
A change happened 1.7 mya. H.habilis to H.erectus.
It didn't not. Not any change with agriculture.
Where are the settlements? The storage facilities? The specialized tools
for planting, harvesting and even processing the grains for eating?
The best storage was achieved with cereals. This is Upper Stone
Age, blade technology, last 50 ky.
The best storage could be achieved with pottery, came only later.
What settlements? Today you have villages just like you always
had.
Hand axe is a tool for digging. Do you know how you process the
grains? Of course you don't know, you don't know a sh.t, and you dare to challenge everybody. Grain is processed by being stepped on by hooves: https://youtu.be/5doY88-vGog
So, first you have animals (we have evidence of herding 1.5 mya), then, what is left between their feet are seeds, which you can
eat, because they have starch.
You control animals with leather rains, which you can produce with Oldowan tools.
"Agriculture" is not Greek for "Stone napping."
Still stands.
https://youtu.be/ZHwVBirqD2s
Hand axes are stone shovels. You dig with shovels.
Neanderthals are Homo sapiens.
The issue is that there are no anatomically modern humans going back
200,000 years. Period.
You really don't know a sh.t. The lineage of H.sapiens and
Neanderthals split before H. Heidelbergensis. H. Heidelbergensis is not
ancestor of H. sapiens, but it is ancestor of Neanderthals (per the
newest genetic research).
You're part Neanderthal and your last Neanderthal ancestor was a great
deal more recent that 200k years ago.
On 19.12.2021. 3:12, Mario Petrinovic wrote:-
On 18.12.2021. 20:02, I Envy JTEM wrote:
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Metallurgy != Picking up a rock= Grinding
So show us. Post a cite to this metallurgy that you speak of.
Agriculture changes the people and the plants, but the changes to
people
are more obvious.
A change happened 1.7 mya. H.habilis to H.erectus.
It didn't not. Not any change with agriculture.
Where are the settlements? The storage facilities? The specialized tools >> for planting, harvesting and even processing the grains for eating?
The best storage was achieved with cereals. This is Upper Stone Age, blade technology, last 50 ky.See this processing of rice (first by hand, then by oxen). The taller
The best storage could be achieved with pottery, came only later.
What settlements? Today you have villages just like you always
had.
Hand axe is a tool for digging. Do you know how you process the grains? Of course you don't know, you don't know a sh.t, and you dare to challenge everybody. Grain is processed by being stepped on by hooves: https://youtu.be/5doY88-vGog
So, first you have animals (we have evidence of herding 1.5
mya), then, what is left between their feet are seeds, which you can
eat, because they have starch.
You control animals with leather rains, which you can produce
with Oldowan tools.
you are, the better you'll do the job:
https://youtu.be/UyaZjdtqjxs
"Agriculture" is not Greek for "Stone napping."
Still stands.
https://youtu.be/ZHwVBirqD2s
Hand axes are stone shovels. You dig with shovels.
Neanderthals are Homo sapiens.
The issue is that there are no anatomically modern humans going back >>>> 200,000 years. Period.
You really don't know a sh.t. The lineage of H.sapiens and
Neanderthals split before H. Heidelbergensis. H. Heidelbergensis is not >>> ancestor of H. sapiens, but it is ancestor of Neanderthals (per the
newest genetic research).
You're part Neanderthal and your last Neanderthal ancestor was a great
deal more recent that 200k years ago.
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On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 9:20:59 PM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 19.12.2021. 3:12, Mario Petrinovic wrote:-
On 18.12.2021. 20:02, I Envy JTEM wrote:See this processing of rice (first by hand, then by oxen). The taller
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Metallurgy != Picking up a rock= Grinding
So show us. Post a cite to this metallurgy that you speak of.
Agriculture changes the people and the plants, but the changes to
people
are more obvious.
A change happened 1.7 mya. H.habilis to H.erectus.
It didn't not. Not any change with agriculture.
Where are the settlements? The storage facilities? The specialized tools >>>> for planting, harvesting and even processing the grains for eating?
The best storage was achieved with cereals. This is Upper Stone >>> Age, blade technology, last 50 ky.
The best storage could be achieved with pottery, came only later. >>> What settlements? Today you have villages just like you always
had.
Hand axe is a tool for digging. Do you know how you process the >>> grains? Of course you don't know, you don't know a sh.t, and you dare to >>> challenge everybody. Grain is processed by being stepped on by hooves:
https://youtu.be/5doY88-vGog
So, first you have animals (we have evidence of herding 1.5
mya), then, what is left between their feet are seeds, which you can
eat, because they have starch.
You control animals with leather rains, which you can produce
with Oldowan tools.
you are, the better you'll do the job:
https://youtu.be/UyaZjdtqjxs
"Agriculture" is not Greek for "Stone napping."
Still stands.
https://youtu.be/ZHwVBirqD2s
Hand axes are stone shovels. You dig with shovels.
Neanderthals are Homo sapiens.
The issue is that there are no anatomically modern humans going back >>>>>> 200,000 years. Period.
You really don't know a sh.t. The lineage of H.sapiens and
Neanderthals split before H. Heidelbergensis. H. Heidelbergensis is not >>>>> ancestor of H. sapiens, but it is ancestor of Neanderthals (per the
newest genetic research).
You're part Neanderthal and your last Neanderthal ancestor was a great >>>> deal more recent that 200k years ago.
Agriculture is not harvesting & processing food, that's hunting and gathering. Agriculture is genetic improvement of food due to breeding for desired characteristics.
The best storage was achieved with cereals. This is Upper Stone Age,
blade technology, last 50 ky.
The best storage could be achieved with pottery, came only later.
What settlements? Today you have
So, first you have animals (we have evidence of herding 1.5 mya)
Hand axes are stone shovels. You dig with shovels.
On 20.12.2021. 1:09, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
On Saturday, December 18, 2021 at 9:20:59 PM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:No, agriculture is production of food. Otherwise it is gathering of food.
On 19.12.2021. 3:12, Mario Petrinovic wrote:-
On 18.12.2021. 20:02, I Envy JTEM wrote:See this processing of rice (first by hand, then by oxen). The taller
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Metallurgy != Picking up a rock= Grinding
So show us. Post a cite to this metallurgy that you speak of.
Agriculture changes the people and the plants, but the changes to >>>>>> people
are more obvious.
A change happened 1.7 mya. H.habilis to H.erectus.
It didn't not. Not any change with agriculture.
Where are the settlements? The storage facilities? The specialized tools
for planting, harvesting and even processing the grains for eating?
The best storage was achieved with cereals. This is Upper Stone
Age, blade technology, last 50 ky.
The best storage could be achieved with pottery, came only later.
What settlements? Today you have villages just like you always
had.
Hand axe is a tool for digging. Do you know how you process the
grains? Of course you don't know, you don't know a sh.t, and you dare to >>> challenge everybody. Grain is processed by being stepped on by hooves: >>> https://youtu.be/5doY88-vGog
So, first you have animals (we have evidence of herding 1.5
mya), then, what is left between their feet are seeds, which you can
eat, because they have starch.
You control animals with leather rains, which you can produce
with Oldowan tools.
you are, the better you'll do the job:
https://youtu.be/UyaZjdtqjxs
"Agriculture" is not Greek for "Stone napping."
Still stands.
https://youtu.be/ZHwVBirqD2s
Hand axes are stone shovels. You dig with shovels.
Neanderthals are Homo sapiens.
The issue is that there are no anatomically modern humans going back >>>>>> 200,000 years. Period.
You really don't know a sh.t. The lineage of H.sapiens and
Neanderthals split before H. Heidelbergensis. H. Heidelbergensis is not
ancestor of H. sapiens, but it is ancestor of Neanderthals (per the >>>>> newest genetic research).
You're part Neanderthal and your last Neanderthal ancestor was a great >>>> deal more recent that 200k years ago.
Agriculture is not harvesting & processing food, that's hunting and gathering. Agriculture is genetic improvement of food due to breeding for desired characteristics.
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Mario Petrinovic wrote:
The best storage was achieved with cereals. This is Upper Stone Age,
blade technology, last 50 ky.
Great. There was no agriculture 50k years ago either. But you were claiming that it reaches back 1.7 million years.
The best storage could be achieved with pottery, came only later.
So... that's not it, either.
What settlements? Today you have
Nobody asked about today. Originally you made crazy claims about 200k
years ago and then upped you kook quotient too 1.7 million years ago. You were asked to support that nonsense, not change the subject.
So, first you have animals (we have evidence of herding 1.5 mya)
We don't have evidence oof herding 1.5 million years ago.
Hand axes are stone shovels. You dig with shovels.
At my most charitable I might call that baseless speculation.
I might.
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You could plant seeds of fruits, or whatever, 1.7 my.
You are talking about storability.
You are asking about settlements made out of what?
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
You could plant seeds of fruits, or whatever, 1.7 my.
Didn't happen.
You are talking about storability.
I was never talking about storability. What I said was that agriculture changes humans and in ways discernible from the archaeological
record. "Storage" is just one of the ways we can identify agriculture,
as the harvest must be stored in order to sustain people over the
coming year, until the next harvest.
You are asking about settlements made out of what?
I asked about settlements because settlements are yet more evidence
of an agricultural society that would be present within the archaeological record.
See the pattern now?
HINT: The common link is archaeology, the evidence.
On 20.12.2021. 7:52, I Envy JTEM wrote:
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
You could plant seeds of fruits, or whatever, 1.7 my.
Didn't happen.
You are talking about storability.
I was never talking about storability. What I said was that agriculture
changes humans and in ways discernible from the archaeological
record. "Storage" is just one of the ways we can identify agriculture,
as the harvest must be stored in order to sustain people over the
coming year, until the next harvest.
You are asking about settlements made out of what?
I asked about settlements because settlements are yet more evidence
of an agricultural society that would be present within the
archaeological
record.
See the pattern now?
HINT: The common link is archaeology, the evidence.
Scientists know that people lived in tents and huts. So, this is what I am saying, also. But, they are claiming that people moved
those tents and huts around. Why would they do that, if they could herd animals? Wolves and dogs have herding ability: https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_house#Paleolithic_Settlements
On 20.12.2021. 15:44, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 20.12.2021. 7:52, I Envy JTEM wrote:
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
You could plant seeds of fruits, or whatever, 1.7 my.
Didn't happen.
You are talking about storability.
I was never talking about storability. What I said was that agriculture
changes humans and in ways discernible from the archaeological
record. "Storage" is just one of the ways we can identify agriculture,
as the harvest must be stored in order to sustain people over the
coming year, until the next harvest.
You are asking about settlements made out of what?
I asked about settlements because settlements are yet more evidence
of an agricultural society that would be present within the
archaeological
record.
See the pattern now?
HINT: The common link is archaeology, the evidence.
Scientists know that people lived in tents and huts. So, thisActually, it is all pretty simple, and we can find traces of such
is what I am saying, also. But, they are claiming that people moved
those tents and huts around. Why would they do that, if they could herd animals? Wolves and dogs have herding ability: https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_house#Paleolithic_Settlements
behavior even to these days. I just watched some survival video. The guy
took some chestnuts, but he didn't eat them all, he dug one of them into
the ground.
It is well known offering to the gods. Chestnut grows out of the
ground, so you have to thank the god of the ground for that. Today, just
the same as 2 million years ago. And the next year the god of the ground
will give you another chestnut tree.
Pretty simple, and extremely effective. I don't see a single reason
why humans wouldn't behave like this.
Of course, the reason why they wouldn't is always the same, the place
humans have in Bible, where humans have some special powers, accessible
to them only later.
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On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 2:32:30 PM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 20.12.2021. 15:44, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 20.12.2021. 7:52, I Envy JTEM wrote:Actually, it is all pretty simple, and we can find traces of such
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
You could plant seeds of fruits, or whatever, 1.7 my.
Didn't happen.
You are talking about storability.
I was never talking about storability. What I said was that agriculture >>>> changes humans and in ways discernible from the archaeological
record. "Storage" is just one of the ways we can identify agriculture, >>>> as the harvest must be stored in order to sustain people over the
coming year, until the next harvest.
You are asking about settlements made out of what?
I asked about settlements because settlements are yet more evidence
of an agricultural society that would be present within the
archaeological
record.
See the pattern now?
HINT: The common link is archaeology, the evidence.
Scientists know that people lived in tents and huts. So, this
is what I am saying, also. But, they are claiming that people moved
those tents and huts around. Why would they do that, if they could herd
animals? Wolves and dogs have herding ability:
https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_house#Paleolithic_Settlements
behavior even to these days. I just watched some survival video. The guy
took some chestnuts, but he didn't eat them all, he dug one of them into
the ground.
It is well known offering to the gods. Chestnut grows out of the
ground, so you have to thank the god of the ground for that. Today, just
the same as 2 million years ago. And the next year the god of the ground
will give you another chestnut tree.
Pretty simple, and extremely effective. I don't see a single reason
why humans wouldn't behave like this.
Of course, the reason why they wouldn't is always the same, the place
humans have in Bible, where humans have some special powers, accessible
to them only later.
Mario, agriculture began +2ma at coastal rocky shorelines, when marine limpets cleared tidal cliffs of mollusks to grow algae crop on the soaked rocks and Homo watched and helped by using handaxes to scrape mollusks and oysters off and ate them.
https://evolvopedia.quora.com/What-species-besides-humans-grow-and-harvest-their-own-food
On 22.12.2021. 0:44, DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:-
On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 2:32:30 PM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 20.12.2021. 15:44, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
On 20.12.2021. 7:52, I Envy JTEM wrote:Actually, it is all pretty simple, and we can find traces of such
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
You could plant seeds of fruits, or whatever, 1.7 my.
Didn't happen.
You are talking about storability.
I was never talking about storability. What I said was that agriculture >>>> changes humans and in ways discernible from the archaeological
record. "Storage" is just one of the ways we can identify agriculture, >>>> as the harvest must be stored in order to sustain people over the
coming year, until the next harvest.
You are asking about settlements made out of what?
I asked about settlements because settlements are yet more evidence
of an agricultural society that would be present within the
archaeological
record.
See the pattern now?
HINT: The common link is archaeology, the evidence.
Scientists know that people lived in tents and huts. So, this
is what I am saying, also. But, they are claiming that people moved
those tents and huts around. Why would they do that, if they could herd >>> animals? Wolves and dogs have herding ability:
https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_house#Paleolithic_Settlements
behavior even to these days. I just watched some survival video. The guy >> took some chestnuts, but he didn't eat them all, he dug one of them into >> the ground.
It is well known offering to the gods. Chestnut grows out of the
ground, so you have to thank the god of the ground for that. Today, just >> the same as 2 million years ago. And the next year the god of the ground >> will give you another chestnut tree.
Pretty simple, and extremely effective. I don't see a single reason
why humans wouldn't behave like this.
Of course, the reason why they wouldn't is always the same, the place
humans have in Bible, where humans have some special powers, accessible
to them only later.
Mario, agriculture began +2ma at coastal rocky shorelines, when marine limpets cleared tidal cliffs of mollusks to grow algae crop on the soaked rocks and Homo watched and helped by using handaxes to scrape mollusks and oysters off and ate them.
https://evolvopedia.quora.com/What-species-besides-humans-grow-and-harvest-their-own-foodHand axes are brittle (and not sharp enough), you cannot perform this
with hand axes. But, you can scrape mollusks with a mollusk shell, much better.
This hand axe idea for doing such a tough mechanic job, that comes
from the AAT community, is stupid, and it paints them as stupid, they
should abandon it as soon as possible, science isn't a dinner party.
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