• Even bats can swim

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 12 23:00:19 2021
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS8MQa5QcJQ

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 03:31:13 2021
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS8MQa5QcJQ

    Bats don't have auditory exostoses, nor pachyosteosclerosis.
    H.erectus & neandertals had ear exstoses as well as POS.
    These are exclusively seen in (semi)aquatic animals:
    no doubt archaic Homo frequently dived for littoral foods.
    Moreover:
    - very large brain = aquatic food (DHA etc.),
    - stone tools (sea-otter) = opening shellfish.

    IOW:
    only incredible imbeciles still believe their Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to Primum Sapienti on Thu Dec 16 00:38:06 2021
    Primum Sapienti wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS8MQa5QcJQ

    Common descent would predict that many traits/abilities would
    be common even between distantly related animals.

    One frequent error, and one you appear to be guilty of, is to
    confuse evolution with Intelligent Design, insisting that anatomy
    must change to reflect environments and lifestyle.

    Nature never cared.

    Yes "Arboreal Adaptations" appear all along the human line, just
    as bipedal adaptation were retained in even the largest, bulkiest
    quadruped dinosaurs...




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    https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/670679088045899776

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Wed Dec 22 13:03:22 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS8MQa5QcJQ

    Bats don't have auditory exostoses, nor pachyosteosclerosis.
    H.erectus & neandertals had ear exstoses as well as POS.
    These are exclusively seen in (semi)aquatic animals:
    no doubt archaic Homo frequently dived for littoral foods.
    Moreover:
    - very large brain = aquatic food (DHA etc.),
    - stone tools (sea-otter) = opening shellfish.

    IOW:
    only incredible imbeciles still believe their Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes.

    And yet, bats - and many other no aquatic animals - swim.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 31 03:39:56 2021
    And yet, bats - and many other no aquatic animals - swim.

    Yes yes, my boy, bats dive for shellfish, just like your ancestors ran after antelopes...
    :-D

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Fri Dec 31 23:04:47 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:

    And yet, bats - and many other no aquatic animals - swim.

    Yes yes, my boy, bats dive for shellfish, just like your ancestors ran after antelopes...
    :-D


    Bats have snorkel noses? LOL

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 1 02:26:12 2022
    Op zaterdag 1 januari 2022 om 07:04:46 UTC+1 schreef Primum Sapienti:

    And yet, bats - and many other no aquatic animals - swim.

    Yes yes, my boy, bats dive for shellfish, just like your ancestors ran after antelopes... :-D

    Bats have snorkel noses?

    LOL

    OI, BIG NOSE !
    New Scientist 2782 p 69 Lastword 16 October 2010

    Why do humans evolve external noses that don’t seem to serve any useful purpose – our smelling sensors are inside the head. Our nose is vulnerable to damage, and the majority of primates and other mammals manage with relatively flat faces.
    Traditional explanations are that the nose protects against dry air, hot air, cold air, dusty air, whatever air, but most savannah mammals have no external noses, and polar animals such as arctic foxes or hares tend to evolve shorter extremities
    including flatter noses (Allen’s Rule), not larger as the Neanderthal protruding nose.

    The answer isn’t so difficult if we simply consider humans like other mammals.

    An external nose is seen in elephant seals, hooded seals, tapirs, elephants, swine and, among primates, in the mangrove-dwelling proboscis monkeys. Various, often mutually compatible functions, have been proposed, such as sexual display (in male hooded
    and elephant seals or proboscis monkeys), manipulation of food (in elephants, tapirs and swine), a snorkel (elephants, proboscis monkeys) and as a nose-closing aid during diving (in most of these animals). These mammals spend a lot of time at the margins
    of land and water. Possible functions of an external nose in creatures evolving into aquatic ones are obvious and match those listed above in many cases. They can initially act as a nose closure, a snorkel, to keep water out, to dig in wet soil for food,
    and so on. Afterwards, these external noses can also become co-opted for other functions, such as sexual display (visual as well as auditory) in hooded and elephant seals and proboscis monkeys.

    But what does this have to do with human evolution?

    The earliest known Homo fossils outside Africa – such as those at Mojokerto in Java and Dmanisi in Georgia – are about 1.8 million years old. The easiest way for them to have spread to other continents, and to islands such as Java, is along the
    coasts, and from there inland along rivers. During the glacial periods of the Pleistocene – the ice age cycles that ran from about 1.8 million to 12,000 years ago – most coasts were about 100 metres below the present-day sea level, so we don’t know
    whether or when Homo populations lived there. But coasts and riversides are full of shellfish and other foods that are easily collected and digested by smart, handy and tool-using “apes”, and are rich in potential brain-boosting nutrients such as
    docosahexaenoic acid (DHA).

    If Pleistocene Homo spread along the coasts, beachcombing, wading and diving for seafoods as Polynesian islanders still do, this could explain why Homo erectus evolved larger brains (aided by DHA) and larger noses (because of their part-time diving).
    This littoral intermezzo could help to explain not only why we like to have our holidays at tropical beaches, eating shrimps and coconuts, but also why we became fat and furless bipeds with long legs, flat feet, large brains and big noses.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Thu Jan 13 13:53:45 2022
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op zaterdag 1 januari 2022 om 07:04:46 UTC+1 schreef Primum Sapienti:

    And yet, bats - and many other no aquatic animals - swim.

    Yes yes, my boy, bats dive for shellfish, just like your ancestors ran after antelopes... :-D

    Bats have snorkel noses?

    LOL

    OI, BIG NOSE !

    LOL

    OI, BIG PENIS!

    https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/2/eaaq0250.full
    Nasalization by Nasalis larvatus: Larger noses audiovisually advertise conspecifics in proboscis monkeys
    Science Advances 21 Feb 2018:

    Abstract
    Male proboscis monkeys have uniquely enlarged noses that are prominent adornments, which may have evolved through their sexually competitive
    harem group social system. Nevertheless, the ecological roles of the
    signals encoded by enlarged noses remain unclear. We found significant correlations among nose, body, and testis sizes and a clear link between
    nose size and number of harem females. Therefore, there is evidence
    supporting both male-male competition and female choice as causal factors
    in the evolution of enlarged male noses. We also observed that nasal enlargement systematically modifies the resonance properties of male vocalizations, which probably encode male quality. Our results indicate
    that the audiovisual contributions of enlarged male noses serve as advertisements to females in their mate selection. This is the first
    primate research to evaluate the evolutionary processes involved in
    linking morphology, acoustics, and socioecology with unique masculine characteristics.




    https://www.menshealth.com/uk/sex/a36339905/bigger-penis-large-noses/
    Men With Larger Noses Have Bigger Penises, According to New Study
    Your beak may be giving away more than you think

    BY MEN'S HEALTH 05/05/2021
    Published in the medical journal Basic and Clinical Andrology, the
    researchers of the study found that men with larger noses had a ‘stretched penile length’ of at least 5.3 inches, while men with smaller noses had a penis length of 4.1 inches erect.

    The team of researchers drew this conclusion by looking at the dead corpses of 126 men within three days of death and measured different parts of their body. After taking into account varying factors such height, weight and measurements of the penis (there were no links between feet size and appendage size, before you ask), the authors of the study then worked out the "stretched penile length" (SPL) of each cadaver. This was measured by, and sorry to be so graphic,
    by pulling the penis up as far as it would go. Hopefully they used gloves.



    https://bacandrology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12610-021-00121-z
    Nose size indicates maximum penile length

    Abstract
    Background
    In a previous report, we investigated whether the size of male genitalia similarly exposed to serum testosterone during aging could change with age
    and found
    that penile length almost stopped increasing during adolescence and decreased in older males. In this report, to determine what factors other than age
    are related to penile length, we performed a multivariate analysis of the relationships between stretched penile length (SPL) and other measurements
    of genital organs, nose size, height and body weight in 126 adults in
    their 30s–50s.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 21 03:24:34 2022
    OI, BIG PENIS!
    https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/2/eaaq0250.full
    Nasalization by Nasalis larvatus: Larger noses audiovisually advertise conspecifics in proboscis monkeys
    Science Advances 21 Feb 2018

    Just-so: no comparative evidence.
    Does not contradict this:

    OI, BIG NOSE !
    New Scientist 2782 p 69 Lastword 16 October 2010

    Why do humans evolve external noses that don’t seem to serve any useful purpose – our smelling sensors are inside the head. Our nose is vulnerable to damage, and the majority of primates and other mammals manage with relatively flat faces.
    Traditional explanations are that the nose protects against dry air, hot air, cold air, dusty air, whatever air, but most savannah mammals have no external noses, and polar animals such as arctic foxes or hares tend to evolve shorter extremities
    including flatter noses (Allen’s Rule), not larger as the Neanderthal protruding nose.

    The answer isn’t so difficult if we simply consider humans like other mammals.

    An external nose is seen in elephant seals, hooded seals, tapirs, elephants, swine and, among primates, in the mangrove-dwelling proboscis monkeys. Various, often mutually compatible functions, have been proposed, such as sexual display (in male hooded
    and elephant seals or proboscis monkeys), manipulation of food (in elephants, tapirs and swine), a snorkel (elephants, proboscis monkeys) and as a nose-closing aid during diving (in most of these animals). These mammals spend a lot of time at the margins
    of land and water. Possible functions of an external nose in creatures evolving into aquatic ones are obvious and match those listed above in many cases. They can initially act as a nose closure, a snorkel, to keep water out, to dig in wet soil for food,
    and so on. Afterwards, these external noses can also become co-opted for other functions, such as sexual display (visual as well as auditory) in hooded and elephant seals and proboscis monkeys.

    But what does this have to do with human evolution?

    The earliest known Homo fossils outside Africa – such as those at Mojokerto in Java and Dmanisi in Georgia – are about 1.8 million years old. The easiest way for them to have spread to other continents, and to islands such as Java, is along the
    coasts, and from there inland along rivers. During the glacial periods of the Pleistocene – the ice age cycles that ran from about 1.8 million to 12,000 years ago – most coasts were about 100 metres below the present-day sea level, so we don’t know
    whether or when Homo populations lived there. But coasts and riversides are full of shellfish and other foods that are easily collected and digested by smart, handy and tool-using “apes”, and are rich in potential brain-boosting nutrients such as
    docosahexaenoic acid (DHA).

    If Pleistocene Homo spread along the coasts, beachcombing, wading and diving for seafoods as Polynesian islanders still do, this could explain why Homo erectus evolved larger brains (aided by DHA) and larger noses (because of their part-time diving).
    This littoral intermezzo could help to explain not only why we like to have our holidays at tropical beaches, eating shrimps and coconuts, but also why we became fat and furless bipeds with long legs, flat feet, large brains and big noses.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Tue Jan 25 22:06:47 2022
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:

    OI, BIG PENIS!
    https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/2/eaaq0250.full
    Nasalization by Nasalis larvatus: Larger noses audiovisually advertise
    conspecifics in proboscis monkeys
    Science Advances 21 Feb 2018

    Just-so: no comparative evidence.

    Comparative AND chemical.



    https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/2/eaaq0250.full
    Nasalization by Nasalis larvatus: Larger noses audiovisually advertise conspecifics in proboscis monkeys
    Science Advances 21 Feb 2018:

    Abstract
    Male proboscis monkeys have uniquely enlarged noses that are prominent adornments, which may have evolved through their sexually competitive
    harem group social system. Nevertheless, the ecological roles of the
    signals encoded by enlarged noses remain unclear. We found significant correlations among nose, body, and testis sizes and a clear link between
    nose size and number of harem females. Therefore, there is evidence
    supporting both male-male competition and female choice as causal factors
    in the evolution of enlarged male noses. We also observed that nasal enlargement systematically modifies the resonance properties of male vocalizations, which probably encode male quality. Our results indicate
    that the audiovisual contributions of enlarged male noses serve as advertisements to females in their mate selection. This is the first
    primate research to evaluate the evolutionary processes involved in
    linking morphology, acoustics, and socioecology with unique masculine characteristics.




    https://www.menshealth.com/uk/sex/a36339905/bigger-penis-large-noses/
    Men With Larger Noses Have Bigger Penises, According to New Study
    Your beak may be giving away more than you think

    BY MEN'S HEALTH 05/05/2021
    Published in the medical journal Basic and Clinical Andrology, the
    researchers of the study found that men with larger noses had a ‘stretched penile length’ of at least 5.3 inches, while men with smaller noses had a penis length of 4.1 inches erect.

    The team of researchers drew this conclusion by looking at the dead corpses of 126 men within three days of death and measured different parts of their body. After taking into account varying factors such height, weight and measurements of the penis (there were no links between feet size and appendage size, before you ask), the authors of the study then worked out the "stretched penile length" (SPL) of each cadaver. This was measured by, and sorry to be so graphic,
    by pulling the penis up as far as it would go. Hopefully they used gloves.



    https://bacandrology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12610-021-00121-z
    Nose size indicates maximum penile length

    Abstract
    Background
    In a previous report, we investigated whether the size of male genitalia similarly exposed to serum testosterone during aging could change with age
    and found
    that penile length almost stopped increasing during adolescence and decreased in older males. In this report, to determine what factors other than age
    are related to penile length, we performed a multivariate analysis of the relationships between stretched penile length (SPL) and other measurements
    of genital organs, nose size, height and body weight in 126 adults in
    their 30s–50s.

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