• No fossils of Pan or Gorilla?

    From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 5 14:55:12 2021
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  • From Mario Petrinovic@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Mon Dec 6 02:22:54 2021
    On 5.12.2021. 23:55, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Mario Petrinovic on Sun Dec 5 21:37:03 2021
    On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 8:22:54 PM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
    On 5.12.2021. 23:55, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 5 22:58:31 2021
    Actually, I don't believe that there are no fossils. The simplest, most conservative, safest assumption to make is that we have found
    them. They simply don't look the way you expect/want them to look.

    Take Denisovan for a model here. If Denisovan existed then we were
    finding them all along. We've found their tools for certain. Probably
    some of their bones. We just mistook them for erectus or something
    else.

    Given how wide spread Denisovan were, given the period of time they
    would have existed for, we've dug up plenty were they had to be, and
    it had to belong to them.

    I think gorillas probably evolved from an upright walking common
    ancestor and chimps certainly did.





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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 6 03:30:20 2021
    Op maandag 6 december 2021 om 07:58:32 UTC+1 schreef I Envy JTEM:

    Actually, I don't believe that there are no fossils. The simplest, most conservative, safest assumption to make is that we have found
    them. They simply don't look the way you expect/want them to look.

    Yes.
    Anatomical comparisons are rather clear IMO (see e.g. my Hum.Evol.papers): -most E.African australopiths were closer relatives of Gorilla than of Homo or Pan,
    -most S.African apiths were closer relatives of Pan than of Homo or Gorilla. AFAICS, schematically,
    late-Pliocene gracile apiths avolved in parallel into early-Pleistocene robust apiths:
    Praeanthropus afarensis->boisei in E.Africa // Australopithecus africanus->robustus in S.Africa.

    Take Denisovan for a model here. If Denisovan existed then we were
    finding them all along. We've found their tools for certain. Probably
    some of their bones. We just mistook them for erectus or something
    else.
    Given how wide spread Denisovan were, given the period of time they
    would have existed for, we've dug up plenty were they had to be, and
    it had to belong to them.
    I think gorillas probably evolved from an upright walking common
    ancestor and chimps certainly did.

    Yes, or rather from upright wading + vertically-climbing early apith-like ancestors in swamp forests,
    google our Trends article "Aquarboreal Ancestors?",
    or google illustrations at "bonobo wading" or "gorilla bai".

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 6 03:22:54 2021
    Sorry, the link should be https://www.academia.edu/39908432/Two_incredible_Logical_Mistakes_in_Traditional_Paleo_Anthropology?email_work_card=interaction-paper

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