• P.S. to Derek...

    From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 29 09:17:01 2016
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    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On 4/29/2016 9:03 AM, Fuckwit David Harrison - just "Fuckwit" as he's
    usually known - bullshitted:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock >> farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the >> world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that
    misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    No, the issue is that *you* can't say how you can tell one from the
    other in fact.


    significance of that aspect of the situation.

    LOL! "Aspect of the situation" - you just sound stupid when you try to
    sound erudite.

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  • From mur@.@21:1/5 to Goo on Thu May 12 20:31:31 2016
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    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:17:01 -0700, Goo wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock >>>farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the >>>world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that >>>misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded. >>
    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed it with >>anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation.

    LOL! "Aspect of the situation" - you just sound

    Only to someone who can't comprehend or recognise the significance of the aspects of any situations, Goo.

    But Doctor Ru tries to pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering >>specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be honest.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 12 18:09:07 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On 5/12/2016 5:31 PM, mur@. wrote:
    On 4/29/2016 9:17 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 4/29/2016 9:03 AM, Fuckwit David Harrison - just "Fuckwit" as he's
    usually known - bullshitted:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com>
    wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if
    livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness
    in the
    world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because
    that
    misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be
    disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm
    curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and
    "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    No, the issue is that *you* can't say how you can tell one from the
    other in fact.


    significance of that aspect of the situation.

    LOL! "Aspect of the situation" - you just sound stupid when you try to
    sound erudite.

    Only to someone who can't comprehend or recognise the significance of the
    aspects of any situations

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation" you
    bullshit about, Fuckwit.

    It is not morally "significant" in any way that livestock animals "get
    to experience life." Only the products matter.

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  • From mur@.@21:1/5 to Goo on Thu May 19 22:03:33 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On Thu, 12 May 2016 18:09:07 -0700, Goo wrote:

    On Thu, 12 May 2016 20:31:31 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:17:01 -0700, Goo wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> wrote: >>>>
    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the >>>>>world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that >>>>>misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded. >>>>
    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed it with >>>>anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation.

    LOL! "Aspect of the situation" - you just sound

    Only to someone who can't comprehend or recognise the significance of the >>aspects of any situations, Goo.

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation"

    For you people not to anything that supports lives of positive value for any
    domestic animals Goob. And maybe as you say there is no significance to any aspects of any situations at all to you people, Goo.

    But Doctor Ru tries to pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering >>>>specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be honest.

    It is not morally "significant" in any way that livestock animals "get
    to experience life." Only the products matter.

    Of course you people feel the same way about all wildlife, Goo.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 19 21:12:18 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On 5/19/2016 7:03 PM, mur@. wrote:
    On 5/12/2016 6:09 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 5/12/2016 5:31 PM, mur@. wrote:
    On 4/29/2016 9:17 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 4/29/2016 9:03 AM, Fuckwit David Harrison - just "Fuckwit" as he's
    usually known - bullshitted:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com>
    wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the
    world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that
    misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed it with
    anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation.

    LOL! "Aspect of the situation" - you just sound

    Only to someone who can't comprehend or recognise the significance of the
    aspects of any situations, Goo.

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation" you
    bullshit about, Fuckwit.

    It is not morally "significant" in any way that livestock animals "get
    to experience life." Only the products matter.

    For you people not to anything that supports lives of positive value for any

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation" you
    bullshit about, Fuckwit.

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  • From mur@.@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 25 14:31:52 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:12:18 -0700, Goo desperately puled:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock >>>farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the >>>world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that >>>misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded. >>
    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed it with >>anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru tries to pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering >>specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be honest.

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation"

    He certainly is very much afraid to tell us what does happen Goob, and probably rightly so. He's probably afraid they're finally aware of his participation in groups like this and even though they aren't likely to ever oppose him or his heros like you and Ru here Goo, he's also not going to deny that they subtly try to help him figure out how many significant aspects people like he, Ru and you are not able to take into consideration, Goo.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 25 14:44:21 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On 5/25/2016 11:31 AM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied:
    On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:12:18 -0700, Rudy Canoza wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> wrote: >>>
    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the >>>> world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that >>>> misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded. >>>
    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed it with >>> anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru tries to pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering
    specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be honest.

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation" you bullshit about, Fuckwit.

    He certainly is very much afraid to tell us what does happen

    There is no significance.

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  • From mur@.@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 4 22:38:00 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On Wed, 25 May 2016 14:44:21 -0700, trying to save their position Goo insisted:

    On Wed, 25 May 2016 14:31:52 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:12:18 -0700, Goo desperately puled:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> wrote: >>>>
    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the >>>>>world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that >>>>>misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded. >>>>
    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed it with >>>>anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru tries to pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering >>>>specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be honest.

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation"

    He certainly is very much afraid to tell us what does happen Goob, and >>probably rightly so. He's probably afraid they're finally aware of his >>participation in groups like this and even though they aren't likely to ever >>oppose him or his heros like you and Ru here Goo, he's also not going to deny >>that they subtly try to help him figure out how many significant aspects people
    like he, Ru and you are not able to take into consideration, Goo.

    There is no significance.

    We've been shown by you people that's the position eliminationists are desperate to maintain, Goob. We've also been shown that your boy is afraid to let us know what his own kids try to help him understand about it, Goo.l

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 5 00:20:05 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On 6/4/2016 7:38 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied:
    On 5/25/2016 2:44 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 5/25/2016 11:31 AM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied:
    On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:12:18 -0700, Rudy Canoza wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The"
    Fuckwit - lied:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com>
    wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if >>>>>> livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness >>>>>> in the
    world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery,
    because that
    misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be
    disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm >>>>> curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and >>>>> "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed
    it with
    anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or
    recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru tries to >>>>> pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering >>>>> specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand
    kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be honest. >>>>
    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation" you
    bullshit about, Fuckwit.

    He certainly is very much afraid to tell us what does happen

    There is no significance.

    We've been shown by

    There is no significance, Fuckwit. You agree.

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  • From mur@.@21:1/5 to Goo on Wed Jun 8 16:30:25 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 00:20:05 -0700, Goo wrote:
    .
    On Sat, 04 Jun 2016 22:38:00 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Wed, 25 May 2016 14:44:21 -0700, trying to save their position Goo insisted:

    On Wed, 25 May 2016 14:31:52 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:12:18 -0700, Goo desperately puled:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the
    world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that
    misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed it with
    anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru tries to pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering >>>>>>specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be honest. >>>>>
    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation"

    He certainly is very much afraid to tell us what does happen Goob, and >>>>probably rightly so. He's probably afraid they're finally aware of his >>>>participation in groups like this and even though they aren't likely to ever
    oppose him or his heros like you and Ru here Goo, he's also not going to deny
    that they subtly try to help him figure out how many significant aspects people
    like he, Ru and you are not able to take into consideration, Goo.

    There is no significance.

    We've been shown by you people that's the position eliminationists are >>desperate to maintain, Goob. We've also been shown that your boy is afraid to >>let us know what his own kids try to help him understand about it, Goo.l

    There is no significance, Fuckwit.

    YOU people can't appreciate any Goober...people like you, Ru, Ingred and Derek. Other people certainly can Goob. I can, and apparently Derek's kids can too, Goo.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 9 09:28:37 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On 6/8/2016 1:30 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied:
    On 6/5/2016 12:20 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 6/4/2016 7:38 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied:
    On 5/25/2016 2:44 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 5/25/2016 11:31 AM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied: >>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:12:18 -0700, Rudy Canoza wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" >>>>>> Fuckwit - lied:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if >>>>>>>> livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness >>>>>>>> in the
    world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery,
    because that
    misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be
    disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm >>>>>>> curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and >>>>>>> "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed >>>>>>> it with
    anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or
    recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru tries to >>>>>>> pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering >>>>>>> specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand >>>>>>> kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be
    honest.

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation" you >>>>>> bullshit about, Fuckwit.

    He certainly is very much afraid to tell us what does happen

    There is no significance.

    We've been shown by

    There is no significance, Fuckwit. You agree.

    YOU people can't appreciate

    Nothing to "appreciate", Fuckwit. It's not important in any way.

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  • From mur@.@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 25 23:57:10 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 09:28:37 -0700, Goo desperately puled:
    .
    On Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:30:25 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 00:20:05 -0700, Goo wrote:
    .
    On Sat, 04 Jun 2016 22:38:00 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Wed, 25 May 2016 14:44:21 -0700, trying to save their position Goo insisted:

    On Wed, 25 May 2016 14:31:52 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:12:18 -0700, Goo desperately puled:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the
    world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that
    misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed it with
    anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru tries to pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering >>>>>>>>specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be honest. >>>>>>>
    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation"

    He certainly is very much afraid to tell us what does happen Goob, and
    probably rightly so. He's probably afraid they're finally aware of his >>>>>>participation in groups like this and even though they aren't likely to ever
    oppose him or his heros like you and Ru here Goo, he's also not going to deny
    that they subtly try to help him figure out how many significant aspects people
    like he, Ru and you are not able to take into consideration, Goo.

    There is no significance.

    We've been shown by you people that's the position eliminationists are >>>>desperate to maintain, Goob. We've also been shown that your boy is afraid to
    let us know what his own kids try to help him understand about it, Goo.l >>>
    There is no significance, Fuckwit.

    YOU people can't appreciate any Goober...people like you, Ru, Ingred and >>Derek. Other people certainly can Goob. I can, and apparently Derek's kids can
    too, Goo.

    Nothing to "appreciate"

    We've been shown by you people that's the position eliminationists are desperate to maintain, Goob. We've also been shown that your boy is afraid to let us know what his own kids try to help him understand about it, Goo.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 26 19:13:22 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On 6/25/2016 8:57 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied:
    On 6/9/2016 9:28 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 6/8/2016 1:30 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied:
    On 6/5/2016 12:20 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 6/4/2016 7:38 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied:
    On 5/25/2016 2:44 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 5/25/2016 11:31 AM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied: >>>>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:12:18 -0700, Rudy Canoza wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" >>>>>>>> Fuckwit - lied:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if >>>>>>>>>> livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most
    happiness
    in the
    world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, >>>>>>>>>> because that
    misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be >>>>>>>>>> disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life >>>>>>>>> I'm
    curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" >>>>>>>>> and
    "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed >>>>>>>>> it with
    anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or >>>>>>>>> recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru
    tries to
    pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm
    wondering
    specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand >>>>>>>>> kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be >>>>>>>>> honest.

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation" you >>>>>>>> bullshit about, Fuckwit.

    He certainly is very much afraid to tell us what does happen

    There is no significance.

    We've been shown by

    There is no significance, Fuckwit. You agree.

    YOU people can't appreciate

    Nothing to "appreciate", Fuckwit. It's not important in any way.

    We've been shown

    that there is nothing to "appreciate", Fuckwit. Yes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mur@.@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 26 13:45:29 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:13:22 -0700, Goo claimed:
    .
    On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 23:57:10 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 09:28:37 -0700, Goo desperately puled:
    .
    On Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:30:25 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 00:20:05 -0700, Goo wrote:
    .
    On Sat, 04 Jun 2016 22:38:00 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Wed, 25 May 2016 14:44:21 -0700, trying to save their position Goo insisted:

    On Wed, 25 May 2016 14:31:52 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:12:18 -0700, Goo desperately puled:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the
    world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that
    misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed it with
    anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru tries to pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering >>>>>>>>>>specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be honest.

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation" >>>>>>>>
    He certainly is very much afraid to tell us what does happen Goob, and
    probably rightly so. He's probably afraid they're finally aware of his >>>>>>>>participation in groups like this and even though they aren't likely to ever
    oppose him or his heros like you and Ru here Goo, he's also not going to deny
    that they subtly try to help him figure out how many significant aspects people
    like he, Ru and you are not able to take into consideration, Goo. >>>>>>>
    There is no significance.

    We've been shown by you people that's the position eliminationists are
    desperate to maintain, Goob. We've also been shown that your boy is afraid to
    let us know what his own kids try to help him understand about it, Goo.l >>>>>
    There is no significance, Fuckwit.

    YOU people can't appreciate any Goober...people like you, Ru, Ingred and
    Derek. Other people certainly can Goob. I can, and apparently Derek's kids can
    too, Goo.

    Nothing to "appreciate"

    We've been shown by you people that's the position eliminationists are >>desperate to maintain, Goob. We've also been shown that your boy is afraid to >>let us know what his own kids try to help him understand about it, Goo.

    that there is nothing to "appreciate", Fuckwit. Yes.

    No that's not what they try to help him understand, Goo.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 26 11:53:37 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On 7/26/2016 10:45 AM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *THE* Fuckwit - lied:
    On 6/26/2016 7:13 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 6/25/2016 8:57 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied:
    On 6/9/2016 9:28 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 6/8/2016 1:30 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied:
    On 6/5/2016 12:20 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 6/4/2016 7:38 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied: >>>>>>> On 5/25/2016 2:44 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 5/25/2016 11:31 AM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - >>>>>>>> lied:
    On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:12:18 -0700, Rudy Canoza wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" >>>>>>>>>> Fuckwit - lied:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek
    <dereknash@groupmail.com>
    wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the >>>>>>>>>>>> world if
    livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules. >>>>>>>>>>> . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most >>>>>>>>>>>> happiness
    in the
    world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, >>>>>>>>>>>> because that
    misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be >>>>>>>>>>>> disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life >>>>>>>>>>> I'm
    curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" >>>>>>>>>>> and
    "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never >>>>>>>>>>> discussed
    it with
    anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or >>>>>>>>>>> recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru >>>>>>>>>>> tries to
    pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm >>>>>>>>>>> wondering
    specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand >>>>>>>>>>> kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be >>>>>>>>>>> honest.

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation" you >>>>>>>>>> bullshit about, Fuckwit.

    He certainly is very much afraid to tell us what does happen >>>>>>>>
    There is no significance.

    We've been shown by

    There is no significance, Fuckwit. You agree.

    YOU people can't appreciate

    Nothing to "appreciate", Fuckwit. It's not important in any way.

    We've been shown

    that there is nothing to "appreciate", Fuckwit. Yes.

    No that's

    Yes. That is exactly what we've been shown, Fuckwit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mur@.@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 4 20:20:42 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:53:37 -0700, Goo blatantly lied:

    On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 13:45:29 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:13:22 -0700, Goo claimed:
    .
    On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 23:57:10 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 09:28:37 -0700, Goo desperately puled:
    .
    On Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:30:25 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 00:20:05 -0700, Goo wrote:
    .
    On Sat, 04 Jun 2016 22:38:00 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Wed, 25 May 2016 14:44:21 -0700, trying to save their position Goo insisted:

    On Wed, 25 May 2016 14:31:52 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:12:18 -0700, Goo desperately puled:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, mur@. wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules. >>>>>>>>>>>>. . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the
    world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that
    misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you: >>>>>>>>>>>>
    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed it with
    anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru tries to pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering
    specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be honest.

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation" >>>>>>>>>>
    He certainly is very much afraid to tell us what does happen Goob, and
    probably rightly so. He's probably afraid they're finally aware of his
    participation in groups like this and even though they aren't likely to ever
    oppose him or his heros like you and Ru here Goo, he's also not going to deny
    that they subtly try to help him figure out how many significant aspects people
    like he, Ru and you are not able to take into consideration, Goo. >>>>>>>>>
    There is no significance.

    We've been shown by you people that's the position eliminationists are
    desperate to maintain, Goob. We've also been shown that your boy is afraid to
    let us know what his own kids try to help him understand about it, Goo.l

    There is no significance, Fuckwit.

    YOU people can't appreciate any Goober...people like you, Ru, Ingred and
    Derek. Other people certainly can Goob. I can, and apparently Derek's kids can
    too, Goo.

    Nothing to "appreciate"

    We've been shown by you people that's the position eliminationists are >>>>desperate to maintain, Goob. We've also been shown that your boy is afraid to
    let us know what his own kids try to help him understand about it, Goo.

    that there is nothing to "appreciate", Fuckwit. Yes.

    No that's not what they try to help him understand, Goo.

    Yes.

    What do you think you could gain by obviously lying about what Derek's kids try to help him understand, Goo?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 4 17:51:54 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On 8/4/2016 5:20 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *THE* Fuckwit - lied:
    On 7/26/2016 11:53 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 7/26/2016 10:45 AM, Fuckwit David Harrison - *THE* Fuckwit - lied:
    On 6/26/2016 7:13 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 6/25/2016 8:57 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied:
    On 6/9/2016 9:28 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 6/8/2016 1:30 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied: >>>>>>> On 6/5/2016 12:20 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 6/4/2016 7:38 PM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - lied: >>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2016 2:44 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
    On 5/25/2016 11:31 AM, Fuckwit David Harrison - "The" Fuckwit - >>>>>>>>>> lied:
    On Thu, 19 May 2016 21:12:18 -0700, Rudy Canoza wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, Fuckwit David Harrison - >>>>>>>>>>>> "The"
    Fuckwit - lied:

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek
    <dereknash@groupmail.com>
    wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> world if
    livestock
    farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules. >>>>>>>>>>>>> . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most >>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness
    in the
    world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because that
    misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of >>>>>>>>>>>>> life
    I'm
    curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you: >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive >>>>>>>>>>>>> value"
    and
    "lives of
    negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussed
    it with
    anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or >>>>>>>>>>>>> recognising the
    significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru >>>>>>>>>>>>> tries to
    pretend he
    doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering
    specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or >>>>>>>>>>>>> grand
    kids, and how
    they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be >>>>>>>>>>>>> honest.

    There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any
    "situation" you
    bullshit about, Fuckwit.

    He certainly is very much afraid to tell us what does happen >>>>>>>>>>
    There is no significance.

    We've been shown by

    There is no significance, Fuckwit. You agree.

    YOU people can't appreciate

    Nothing to "appreciate", Fuckwit. It's not important in any way.

    We've been shown

    that there is nothing to "appreciate", Fuckwit. Yes.

    No that's

    Yes. That is exactly what we've been shown, Fuckwit.

    What do you think you could gain by obviously lying

    No, Fuckwit. I'm not lying. You are lying, Fuckwit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From mur@.@21:1/5 to Derek on Fri Apr 29 12:03:14 2016
    XPost: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.agriculture, alt.food.vegan
    XPost: alt.philosophy

    On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek <dereknash@groupmail.com> wrote:

    I do have to agree with them in that eating
    meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock >farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
    . . .
    Unlike me they intuitively believe
    that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the >world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that >misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded.

    Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
    any of you try to present the absurd position that you:

    "don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of negative value" means anything."

    It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed it with anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or recognising the significance of that aspect of the situation. But Doctor Ru tries to pretend he doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand kids, and how they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be honest.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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