Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
Whew! I like dowels. but even that might be a bit much.
Bob
On 11/9/2021 5:17 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
Whew! I like dowels. but even that might be a bit much.
Bob
Sometimes Woodpecker tools are priced like Bridge City Tools.
On 11/9/2021 5:17 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>> Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
Whew! I like dowels. but even that might be a bit much.
Bob
Sometimes Woodpecker tools are priced like Bridge City Tools.
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 10:00:31 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 11/9/2021 5:17 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>> Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
Whew! I like dowels. but even that might be a bit much.
Bob
Sometimes Woodpecker tools are priced like Bridge City Tools.
The Kerf Makers were priced more like Woodpeckers tools. ;-)
Woodpeckers' Dado jig (One-Time-Tool, no longer available) does a good
job too, for about the same price IIRC.
On 11/10/2021 11:12 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:The most recent incarnation of the kerfmaker functionality is the woodpecker rip flip.
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 10:00:31 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 11/9/2021 5:17 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>> Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
Whew! I like dowels. but even that might be a bit much.
Bob
Sometimes Woodpecker tools are priced like Bridge City Tools.
The Kerf Makers were priced more like Woodpeckers tools. ;-)
Woodpeckers' Dado jig (One-Time-Tool, no longer available) does a good
job too, for about the same price IIRC.
So I bought a KerfMaker 10+ years ago. Now that BridgeCity Tools is
under new ownership, Harvey IIRC, the KerfMaker is less expensive and probably made in China.
There are numerous YouTube videos showing how to make a KerfMaker out of wood.
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:41:06 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
On 11/10/2021 11:12 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:The most recent incarnation of the kerfmaker functionality is the woodpecker rip flip.
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 10:00:31 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>So I bought a KerfMaker 10+ years ago. Now that BridgeCity Tools is
wrote:
On 11/9/2021 5:17 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
Whew! I like dowels. but even that might be a bit much.
Bob
Sometimes Woodpecker tools are priced like Bridge City Tools.
The Kerf Makers were priced more like Woodpeckers tools. ;-)
Woodpeckers' Dado jig (One-Time-Tool, no longer available) does a good
job too, for about the same price IIRC.
under new ownership, Harvey IIRC, the KerfMaker is less expensive and
probably made in China.
There are numerous YouTube videos showing how to make a KerfMaker out of
wood.
Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 15:31:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:41:06 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:I never thought of it that way but really hadn't looked into the rip
On 11/10/2021 11:12 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:The most recent incarnation of the kerfmaker functionality is the woodpecker rip flip.
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 10:00:31 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>So I bought a KerfMaker 10+ years ago. Now that BridgeCity Tools is
wrote:
On 11/9/2021 5:17 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
Whew! I like dowels. but even that might be a bit much.
Bob
Sometimes Woodpecker tools are priced like Bridge City Tools.
The Kerf Makers were priced more like Woodpeckers tools. ;-)
Woodpeckers' Dado jig (One-Time-Tool, no longer available) does a good >> > job too, for about the same price IIRC.
under new ownership, Harvey IIRC, the KerfMaker is less expensive and
probably made in China.
There are numerous YouTube videos showing how to make a KerfMaker out of >> wood.
flip (doesn't fit my saw).
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 7:47:16 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 15:31:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 12:41:06 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:I never thought of it that way but really hadn't looked into the rip
On 11/10/2021 11:12 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:The most recent incarnation of the kerfmaker functionality is the woodpecker rip flip.
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 10:00:31 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>So I bought a KerfMaker 10+ years ago. Now that BridgeCity Tools is
wrote:
On 11/9/2021 5:17 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
Whew! I like dowels. but even that might be a bit much.
Bob
Sometimes Woodpecker tools are priced like Bridge City Tools.
The Kerf Makers were priced more like Woodpeckers tools. ;-)
Woodpeckers' Dado jig (One-Time-Tool, no longer available) does a good >> >> > job too, for about the same price IIRC.
under new ownership, Harvey IIRC, the KerfMaker is less expensive and
probably made in China.
There are numerous YouTube videos showing how to make a KerfMaker out of >> >> wood.
flip (doesn't fit my saw).
I am thinking of the way the rip flips can be joined for setting up dado widths.
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:lifesaver for repairing furniture.
Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davislifesaver for repairing furniture.
<wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>> Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
On 11/11/2021 11:20 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:lifesaver for repairing furniture.
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>> Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
But the Domino is faster and easier to mark for locations.
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:29:39 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>lifesaver for repairing furniture.
wrote:
On 11/11/2021 11:20 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
But the Domino is faster and easier to mark for locations.And if you want to add a little red to green for Christmas:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881tWLaVdiM>
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:29:39 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>lifesaver for repairing furniture.
wrote:
On 11/11/2021 11:20 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
But the Domino is faster and easier to mark for locations.
And if you want to add a little red to green for Christmas:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881tWLaVdiM>
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 1:58:41 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:lifesaver for repairing furniture.
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:29:39 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 11/11/2021 11:20 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>> Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
And if you want to add a little red to green for Christmas:
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
But the Domino is faster and easier to mark for locations.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881tWLaVdiM>
I noticed he never showed us how he kept the scale bar zeroed
while he tightened the T-nuts, as he said, “from underneath”.
I wonder if it’s a somewhat difficult task.
It seems like there is room on the top for a couple of hold downs
so that the bar can be secured from the top.
On 11/11/2021 12:58 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:lifesaver for repairing furniture.
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:29:39 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 11/11/2021 11:20 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
But the Domino is faster and easier to mark for locations.
And if you want to add a little red to green for Christmas:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881tWLaVdiM>
WORTHLESS!!!
It does nothing that you cannot do with a Domino and its available wings.
First off, he uses the tight fit for the first set of mortises. THEN he flips to the wider version of the mortise on the trim pieces.
This practice insures that the mortises will mate if only close to where
the mating mortises should be.
It is far easier to simply mark both pieces for the mortise cuts, like
with a plate joiner.
And simply cutting the mortises wider for the mating cuts, like he did.
This all fits the case nicely when disassembled. I would never return
the pieces to the case if I had to disassemble.
This is a nice tool that accomplishes nothing.
After 10,000+ mortises I have never ever needed or wanted for something
like this.
On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:54:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:lifesaver for repairing furniture.
On 11/11/2021 12:58 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:29:39 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 11/11/2021 11:20 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
WORTHLESS!!!
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
But the Domino is faster and easier to mark for locations.
And if you want to add a little red to green for Christmas:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881tWLaVdiM>
It does nothing that you cannot do with a Domino and its available wings.
First off, he uses the tight fit for the first set of mortises. THEN he
flips to the wider version of the mortise on the trim pieces.
This practice insures that the mortises will mate if only close to where
the mating mortises should be.
It is far easier to simply mark both pieces for the mortise cuts, like
with a plate joiner.
And simply cutting the mortises wider for the mating cuts, like he did.
This all fits the case nicely when disassembled. I would never return
the pieces to the case if I had to disassemble.
This is a nice tool that accomplishes nothing.
After 10,000+ mortises I have never ever needed or wanted for something
like this.
Is there any validity to his use of the word "production"?
Example:
If I'm doing 20, 50, 100 shelf edges and individually marking each pair, don't
I have to line up, mark and plunge each pair individually: shelf then edge, shelf
then edge, shelf then edge, etc.? Don't I then have to be sure that I keep those
pairs together (or at least labeled as a pair) until final assembly?
With the device, can't I set up my assembly area to plunge shelf after shelf after shelf and then edge after edge after edge, knowing that any edge will work with any shelf?
In a production environment, wouldn't the device make repeatable, identical operations more efficient?
I know that you build a lot of individual custom pieces, from start to finish, but
what about a cabinet shop that might be building stock size cabinets in huge numbers? You could have an apprentice cranking out shelves and edges all day long, building up an inventory. I assume face frames and other parts could be handled in a similar manner.
On 11/12/2021 11:05 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:lifesaver for repairing furniture.
On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:54:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 11/11/2021 12:58 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:29:39 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 11/11/2021 11:20 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html >>>>>>
WORTHLESS!!!
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
But the Domino is faster and easier to mark for locations.
And if you want to add a little red to green for Christmas:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881tWLaVdiM>
It does nothing that you cannot do with a Domino and its available wings. >>
First off, he uses the tight fit for the first set of mortises. THEN he >> flips to the wider version of the mortise on the trim pieces.
This practice insures that the mortises will mate if only close to where >> the mating mortises should be.
It is far easier to simply mark both pieces for the mortise cuts, like
with a plate joiner.
And simply cutting the mortises wider for the mating cuts, like he did. >>
This all fits the case nicely when disassembled. I would never return
the pieces to the case if I had to disassemble.
This is a nice tool that accomplishes nothing.
After 10,000+ mortises I have never ever needed or wanted for something >> like this.
Is there any validity to his use of the word "production"?
Example:
If I'm doing 20, 50, 100 shelf edges and individually marking each pair, don't
I have to line up, mark and plunge each pair individually: shelf then edge, shelf
then edge, shelf then edge, etc.? Don't I then have to be sure that I keep those
pairs together (or at least labeled as a pair) until final assembly?
NO! You do not have to worry about alignment of the mortises.
Put your pieces against each other and draw a line across from one piece
to the other. ANYWHERE! You will never see the Domino's so precise
placement is a waste of time. Your lines should be in alignment but not
in any particular place unless you might late saw and revel the hidden Domino.
How do you make them all work? Use an exact fit Mortise on one side of
the joint, and a wider mortise on the mating side of the joint. This
allows wiggle room, left and right.
With the device, can't I set up my assembly area to plunge shelf after shelfYou could or just use a story stick to make all of your marks as
after shelf and then edge after edge after edge, knowing that any edge will
work with any shelf?
described above and cut your mortises. Exact fit mortise on one side,
and wider fit mortise on the mating side.
Because the wider mortise on the mating side is, ummmm, wider it does
not matter if you make your mortises a little off to one side or the
other of the reference lines. Eyeballing is plenty accurate enough.
The biggest concern is distance from the top of the work pieces. That
is what the Domino's fence is for. And 99.9999999% of the time the
mortise does not have to be exactly centered between the top and bottom
of the work piece.
In a production environment, wouldn't the device make repeatable, identicalI think it might be a wash and or slower. You have to think about every
operations more efficient?
flip stop and flip it up on every new mortise and on both sides. It is
much easier to align the center indexing cursor built in on the Domino
with the mark on the wood.
I know that you build a lot of individual custom pieces, from start to finish, but
what about a cabinet shop that might be building stock size cabinets in huge
numbers? You could have an apprentice cranking out shelves and edges all day
long, building up an inventory. I assume face frames and other parts could be
handled in a similar manner.
Welllll A production cabinet shop is more likely to have a mortiser that
is preset to cut all mortises at one time. A gang mortiser, like a gang drill.
And a good cabinet is going to use dado's and groves to assemble the carcass. That is the way I do it and alignment is a no brainier. Plus
gluing a groove and or a dado is much faster then individual mortises,
two for each floating tennon.
I do use Domino's mostly these days for butt joints on my back and front face frames. They add considerable strength in those small width joints.
Even the trim on the front of a shelf is faster to assemble if using a
grove or rabbet on the trim piece to index across the front of the shelf.
Now one more tidbit to understand. When I got my Domino 1bout 14 years
ago I obsessed about perfect alignment.
I use the Domino indexing pins and for some reason the mating pieces
were never flush. I called Festool before making any adjustments to the built in cam operated indexing pins.
They told me to not worry about something you will never see after glue
up. Don't use the exact fit mortise for both sides of the joint.
And if you watch the Woodpecker video again you will see that the
mortise width dial on the Domino has been switched to the wider mortise setting for the trim side of the joint.
Now the good part. I never ever expected to use my Domino as much as I
have. At least 10 times more than my 2 Plate joiners.
The original Domino has 1 adjustable indexing pin. You adjust it so
that it matches the opposite indexing pin.
Whhhhha????
The Domino bit plunges and oscillates back and forth. In a perfect
world that oscillating bit will always be perfectly centered and never
cut a little more left or right of center.
But over time, as Festool told me, the Domino will tend to
oscillate/swing slightly more to one side of the fixed center mark than
the other, hence use a wider mortise of the mating side of a joint.
If the Domino was perfect and never deviated from equal oscillations on
both sides of the fixed indexing mark that would be grand. But in the
real world you learn to work around that possibility. I don't give it a second thought.
Even with the Woodpeckers set up they use the wider cut mortise for the mating mortise because their Domino is probably not perfect either. And unfortunately their alignment jig does not prevent this situation either.
On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:57:49 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:lifesaver for repairing furniture.
On 11/12/2021 11:05 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:54:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 11/11/2021 12:58 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:29:39 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 11/11/2021 11:20 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html >>>>>>>>
WORTHLESS!!!
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
But the Domino is faster and easier to mark for locations.
And if you want to add a little red to green for Christmas:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881tWLaVdiM>
It does nothing that you cannot do with a Domino and its available wings. >>>>
First off, he uses the tight fit for the first set of mortises. THEN he >>>> flips to the wider version of the mortise on the trim pieces.
This practice insures that the mortises will mate if only close to where >>>> the mating mortises should be.
It is far easier to simply mark both pieces for the mortise cuts, like >>>> with a plate joiner.
And simply cutting the mortises wider for the mating cuts, like he did. >>>>
This all fits the case nicely when disassembled. I would never return
the pieces to the case if I had to disassemble.
This is a nice tool that accomplishes nothing.
After 10,000+ mortises I have never ever needed or wanted for something >>>> like this.
Is there any validity to his use of the word "production"?
Example:
If I'm doing 20, 50, 100 shelf edges and individually marking each pair, don't
I have to line up, mark and plunge each pair individually: shelf then edge, shelf
then edge, shelf then edge, etc.? Don't I then have to be sure that I keep those
pairs together (or at least labeled as a pair) until final assembly?
First, let's make sure you understand that I'm not saying that the Woodpecker device is a godsend. Just considering some possible advantages.
That said...
NO! You do not have to worry about alignment of the mortises.
Either you missed my point or you answered this portion before reading the rest
of my post. See below.
Put your pieces against each other and draw a line across from one piece
to the other. ANYWHERE! You will never see the Domino's so precise
placement is a waste of time. Your lines should be in alignment but not
in any particular place unless you might late saw and revel the hidden
Domino.
I know that. That's how we've all done dowels for eons. Eyeball a location for your marks, mark both pieces, drill your holes. I know that it works that way for the Domino's also.
But the part that you've left out (at least here) is that once you've made your mark
on any given 2 pieces, those 2 pieces are now a matched set. You either have to join
them right away, or make sure that stay together until joined, or label them as a
pair so that you can pair them back up later. At least that's the way my eyeballs
work.
My point was that while you don't have to worry about where those marks are on
each pair (a/b, c/d, e/f, etc.) you may not be able to come back later and mate a
with f, b with d, etc. With the Woodpecker device there are no pairs to worry about.
How do you make them all work? Use an exact fit Mortise on one side of
the joint, and a wider mortise on the mating side of the joint. This
allows wiggle room, left and right.
But not a 1/4" left and right, correct? Eyeballed marks could easily be that far off. At least in my world.
You could or just use a story stick to make all of your marks as
With the device, can't I set up my assembly area to plunge shelf after shelf
after shelf and then edge after edge after edge, knowing that any edge will >>> work with any shelf?
described above and cut your mortises. Exact fit mortise on one side,
and wider fit mortise on the mating side.
Yes, a story stick would work. As would the Woodpecker device without
the need to mark anything.
Because the wider mortise on the mating side is, ummmm, wider it does
not matter if you make your mortises a little off to one side or the
other of the reference lines. Eyeballing is plenty accurate enough.
The biggest concern is distance from the top of the work pieces. That
is what the Domino's fence is for. And 99.9999999% of the time the
mortise does not have to be exactly centered between the top and bottom
of the work piece.
I think it might be a wash and or slower. You have to think about every
In a production environment, wouldn't the device make repeatable, identical >>> operations more efficient?
flip stop and flip it up on every new mortise and on both sides. It is
much easier to align the center indexing cursor built in on the Domino
with the mark on the wood.
Again, assuming that your marks are within the tolerance of the wider mortise.
Welllll A production cabinet shop is more likely to have a mortiser that
I know that you build a lot of individual custom pieces, from start to finish, but
what about a cabinet shop that might be building stock size cabinets in huge
numbers? You could have an apprentice cranking out shelves and edges all day
long, building up an inventory. I assume face frames and other parts could be
handled in a similar manner.
is preset to cut all mortises at one time. A gang mortiser, like a gang
drill.
I kinda suspected you would go there. :-)
And a good cabinet is going to use dado's and groves to assemble the
carcass. That is the way I do it and alignment is a no brainier. Plus
gluing a groove and or a dado is much faster then individual mortises,
two for each floating tennon.
I do use Domino's mostly these days for butt joints on my back and front
face frames. They add considerable strength in those small width joints.
Even the trim on the front of a shelf is faster to assemble if using a
grove or rabbet on the trim piece to index across the front of the shelf.
Now one more tidbit to understand. When I got my Domino 1bout 14 years
ago I obsessed about perfect alignment.
I use the Domino indexing pins and for some reason the mating pieces
were never flush. I called Festool before making any adjustments to the
built in cam operated indexing pins.
They told me to not worry about something you will never see after glue
up. Don't use the exact fit mortise for both sides of the joint.
And if you watch the Woodpecker video again you will see that the
mortise width dial on the Domino has been switched to the wider mortise
setting for the trim side of the joint.
Now the good part. I never ever expected to use my Domino as much as I
have. At least 10 times more than my 2 Plate joiners.
The original Domino has 1 adjustable indexing pin. You adjust it so
that it matches the opposite indexing pin.
Whhhhha????
The Domino bit plunges and oscillates back and forth. In a perfect
world that oscillating bit will always be perfectly centered and never
cut a little more left or right of center.
But over time, as Festool told me, the Domino will tend to
oscillate/swing slightly more to one side of the fixed center mark than
the other, hence use a wider mortise of the mating side of a joint.
If the Domino was perfect and never deviated from equal oscillations on
both sides of the fixed indexing mark that would be grand. But in the
real world you learn to work around that possibility. I don't give it a
second thought.
Even with the Woodpeckers set up they use the wider cut mortise for the
mating mortise because their Domino is probably not perfect either. And
unfortunately their alignment jig does not prevent this situation either.
On 11/11/2021 12:58 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:lifesaver for repairing furniture.
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:29:39 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 11/11/2021 11:20 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>> Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
But the Domino is faster and easier to mark for locations.
And if you want to add a little red to green for Christmas:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881tWLaVdiM>
WORTHLESS!!!
It does nothing that you cannot do with a Domino and its available wings.
First off, he uses the tight fit for the first set of mortises. THEN he >flips to the wider version of the mortise on the trim pieces.
This practice insures that the mortises will mate if only close to where
the mating mortises should be.
It is far easier to simply mark both pieces for the mortise cuts, like
with a plate joiner.
And simply cutting the mortises wider for the mating cuts, like he did.
This all fits the case nicely when disassembled. I would never return
the pieces to the case if I had to disassemble.
This is a nice tool that accomplishes nothing.
After 10,000+ mortises I have never ever needed or wanted for something
like this.
On 11/11/2021 2:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:lifesaver for repairing furniture.
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 1:58:41 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:29:39 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 11/11/2021 11:20 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html >>>>>
And if you want to add a little red to green for Christmas:
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
But the Domino is faster and easier to mark for locations.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881tWLaVdiM>
I noticed he never showed us how he kept the scale bar zeroedExcellent point. AND FWIW it is not important at all that the spacers
while he tightened the T-nuts, as he said, “from underneath”.
I wonder if it’s a somewhat difficult task.
for the stock thickness. The Domino Fence will adjust to where ever you like. This thing simply complicates matters.
It seems like there is room on the top for a couple of hold downs
so that the bar can be secured from the top.
I am finding that WoodPeckers products are well made but not well
thought out.
I have several of their products and I find that every one could be a
little better with little effort.
On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:lifesaver for repairing furniture.
On 11/11/2021 2:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 1:58:41 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>> On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:29:39 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 11/11/2021 11:20 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html >>>>>>>
Excellent point. AND FWIW it is not important at all that the spacersAnd if you want to add a little red to green for Christmas:
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
But the Domino is faster and easier to mark for locations.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881tWLaVdiM>
I noticed he never showed us how he kept the scale bar zeroed
while he tightened the T-nuts, as he said, “from underneath”.
I wonder if it’s a somewhat difficult task.
for the stock thickness. The Domino Fence will adjust to where ever you
like. This thing simply complicates matters.
I am finding that WoodPeckers products are well made but not well
It seems like there is room on the top for a couple of hold downs
so that the bar can be secured from the top.
thought out.
I have several of their products and I find that every one could be a
little better with little effort.
I have more than several of their products, and would not buy some again. I do appreciate their stainless squares and paolini pocket rules.
On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:53:46 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>lifesaver for repairing furniture.
wrote:
On 11/11/2021 12:58 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2021 12:29:39 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 11/11/2021 11:20 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 20:55:29 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 3:18:59 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Speaks for itself...
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ott-ultimate-doweling-jig2-0-2021.html
They made some interesting choices for supported dowel sizes - 1/2" and 5/16" and 5mm. I guess the 5mm would be for shelf pins. I've never used 1/2" for anything. I have used 1000's of 3/8" and a few 100 of 1/4". Every once in a while 1/4" is a
What gets me is that it's 1/2 the price of a Domino. Most think
they're outrageous.
But the Domino is faster and easier to mark for locations.
And if you want to add a little red to green for Christmas:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=881tWLaVdiM>
WORTHLESS!!!
It does nothing that you cannot do with a Domino and its available wings.
First off, he uses the tight fit for the first set of mortises. THEN he
flips to the wider version of the mortise on the trim pieces.
This practice insures that the mortises will mate if only close to where
the mating mortises should be.
It is far easier to simply mark both pieces for the mortise cuts, like
with a plate joiner.
And simply cutting the mortises wider for the mating cuts, like he did.
This all fits the case nicely when disassembled. I would never return
the pieces to the case if I had to disassemble.
This is a nice tool that accomplishes nothing.
After 10,000+ mortises I have never ever needed or wanted for something
like this.
I looked at is as an expensive story stick for the Domino.
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