• Re: Will california revolt over bacon

    From J. Clarke@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 1 21:03:50 2021
    On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 14:19:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 8/3/2021 5:59 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    I am sure they do but why not take measures to prevent out of control
    wild fires?

    Please, feel free to make suggestions on how, exactly, they should
    do that.

    Clear cut fire breaks!

    That's your suggestion. You really have no clue about the
    geography of california or how wildfires spread or what
    the winds are like in California.

    And firebreaks are de rigour in California.

    Again, California has been fighting wildfires for a
    hundred years - if it was that simple, it would have
    been done decades ago.

    Decades ago something was done. Then they stopped doing it,
    presumeably because it in some way offended the greenest people. And
    since then the fires have been coming back.

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  • From Jerry Osage@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 1 23:15:52 2021
    On Mon, 01 Nov 2021 21:03:50 -0400, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 14:19:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 8/3/2021 5:59 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    I am sure they do but why not take measures to prevent out of control >>>>> wild fires?

    Please, feel free to make suggestions on how, exactly, they should
    do that.

    Clear cut fire breaks!

    That's your suggestion. You really have no clue about the
    geography of california or how wildfires spread or what
    the winds are like in California.

    And firebreaks are de rigour in California.

    Again, California has been fighting wildfires for a
    hundred years - if it was that simple, it would have
    been done decades ago.

    Decades ago something was done. Then they stopped doing it,
    presumeably because it in some way offended the greenest people. And
    since then the fires have been coming back.


    <https://www.caloes.ca.gov/cal-oes-divisions/hazard-mitigation/hazard-mitigation-planning/state-hazard-mitigation-plan>

    I found this tidbit from the above mitigation plan interesting. Even California's own experts see the writing on the wall.

    Chapter 8 Paragraph 8.1.1

    "Excluding fires occurring in the desert, estimates of acreage burned prior
    to the arrival of European settlers range between 4.5 and 12 million acres annually with frequency, size, and intensity varying based on ecotype and geographic area. These findings indicate the dramatic historical influence
    of natural wildfire, which supported and maintained ecosystem structure and function in California's wild lands."

    Between 4 and 12 million acres burned a year ??? - and that is not counting fires in the desert - and this was happening for many hundreds of years
    before Man Made Climate Change - WTF? Doesn't that fact fly in the face
    of "Global Warming caused this shit"? Made it worse? Of course. However,
    it is not the root cause.

    Here is an article from Aug, 2020 that tells the tale. <https://www.propublica.org/article/they-know-how-to-prevent-megafires-why-wont-anybody-listen>
    --
    Jerry O.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to J. Clarke on Tue Nov 2 08:19:01 2021
    On 11/1/2021 8:03 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
    On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 14:19:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 8/3/2021 5:59 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    I am sure they do but why not take measures to prevent out of control >>>>> wild fires?

    Please, feel free to make suggestions on how, exactly, they should
    do that.

    Clear cut fire breaks!

    That's your suggestion. You really have no clue about the
    geography of california or how wildfires spread or what
    the winds are like in California.

    And firebreaks are de rigour in California.

    Again, California has been fighting wildfires for a
    hundred years - if it was that simple, it would have
    been done decades ago.

    Decades ago something was done. Then they stopped doing it,
    presumeably because it in some way offended the greenest people. And
    since then the fires have been coming back.


    I just heard on the national news, a report about Austin, TX, that an
    influx of new residents are coming in. Apparently this is then new
    place to be spurred by the pandemic.

    In a brand new neighborhood a street, and or the streets, have up to 6
    new residents coming from out of stat and are buying new homes.

    And Tesla has or is relocating their world head quarters to this
    location along with their new mega factory.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Jerry Osage on Tue Nov 2 08:20:41 2021
    On 11/1/2021 11:15 PM, Jerry Osage wrote:
    On Mon, 01 Nov 2021 21:03:50 -0400, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 14:19:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 8/3/2021 5:59 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    I am sure they do but why not take measures to prevent out of control >>>>>> wild fires?

    Please, feel free to make suggestions on how, exactly, they should
    do that.

    Clear cut fire breaks!

    That's your suggestion. You really have no clue about the
    geography of california or how wildfires spread or what
    the winds are like in California.

    And firebreaks are de rigour in California.

    Again, California has been fighting wildfires for a
    hundred years - if it was that simple, it would have
    been done decades ago.

    Decades ago something was done. Then they stopped doing it,
    presumeably because it in some way offended the greenest people. And
    since then the fires have been coming back.


    <https://www.caloes.ca.gov/cal-oes-divisions/hazard-mitigation/hazard-mitigation-planning/state-hazard-mitigation-plan>

    I found this tidbit from the above mitigation plan interesting. Even California's own experts see the writing on the wall.

    Chapter 8 Paragraph 8.1.1

    "Excluding fires occurring in the desert, estimates of acreage burned prior to the arrival of European settlers range between 4.5 and 12 million acres annually with frequency, size, and intensity varying based on ecotype and geographic area. These findings indicate the dramatic historical influence of natural wildfire, which supported and maintained ecosystem structure and function in California's wild lands."

    Between 4 and 12 million acres burned a year ??? - and that is not counting fires in the desert - and this was happening for many hundreds of years before Man Made Climate Change - WTF? Doesn't that fact fly in the face
    of "Global Warming caused this shit"? Made it worse? Of course. However,
    it is not the root cause.

    Here is an article from Aug, 2020 that tells the tale. <https://www.propublica.org/article/they-know-how-to-prevent-megafires-why-wont-anybody-listen>



    Follow the money to explain global warming and climate change.

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  • From J. Clarke@21:1/5 to Osage on Tue Nov 2 20:38:52 2021
    On Mon, 01 Nov 2021 23:15:52 -0500, Jerry.Osage@invalid.net (Jerry
    Osage) wrote:

    On Mon, 01 Nov 2021 21:03:50 -0400, J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> >wrote:

    On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 14:19:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:

    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 8/3/2021 5:59 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    I am sure they do but why not take measures to prevent out of control >>>>>> wild fires?

    Please, feel free to make suggestions on how, exactly, they should
    do that.

    Clear cut fire breaks!

    That's your suggestion. You really have no clue about the
    geography of california or how wildfires spread or what
    the winds are like in California.

    And firebreaks are de rigour in California.

    Again, California has been fighting wildfires for a
    hundred years - if it was that simple, it would have
    been done decades ago.

    Decades ago something was done. Then they stopped doing it,
    presumeably because it in some way offended the greenest people. And
    since then the fires have been coming back.

    <https://www.caloes.ca.gov/cal-oes-divisions/hazard-mitigation/hazard-mitigation-planning/state-hazard-mitigation-plan>

    I found this tidbit from the above mitigation plan interesting. Even >California's own experts see the writing on the wall.

    Chapter 8 Paragraph 8.1.1

    "Excluding fires occurring in the desert, estimates of acreage burned prior >to the arrival of European settlers range between 4.5 and 12 million acres >annually with frequency, size, and intensity varying based on ecotype and >geographic area. These findings indicate the dramatic historical influence >of natural wildfire, which supported and maintained ecosystem structure and >function in California's wild lands."

    Between 4 and 12 million acres burned a year ??? - and that is not counting >fires in the desert - and this was happening for many hundreds of years >before Man Made Climate Change - WTF? Doesn't that fact fly in the face
    of "Global Warming caused this shit"? Made it worse? Of course. However,
    it is not the root cause.

    Here is an article from Aug, 2020 that tells the tale. ><https://www.propublica.org/article/they-know-how-to-prevent-megafires-why-wont-anybody-listen>


    In 1984 acreage destroyed by wildfire in the US hit an all time low of 1,148,409. That's down from 52,266,000 in 1930. And now it's hitting
    over 10 million again with some regularity.

    Maybe it's time to replace CARB with Fuel Injection and get with the
    21st Century?

    My source for those numbers, by the way, is the US Forest Service web
    site, which mysteriously took those numbers down shortly after Biden
    was elected and now their numbers start in 1984.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to Leon on Tue Nov 2 20:54:39 2021
    On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:19:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 11/1/2021 8:03 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
    On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 14:19:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 8/3/2021 5:59 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    I am sure they do but why not take measures to prevent out of control >>>>>> wild fires?

    Please, feel free to make suggestions on how, exactly, they should
    do that.

    Clear cut fire breaks!

    That's your suggestion. You really have no clue about the
    geography of california or how wildfires spread or what
    the winds are like in California.

    And firebreaks are de rigour in California.

    Again, California has been fighting wildfires for a
    hundred years - if it was that simple, it would have
    been done decades ago.

    Decades ago something was done. Then they stopped doing it,
    presumeably because it in some way offended the greenest people. And
    since then the fires have been coming back.


    I just heard on the national news, a report about Austin, TX, that an
    influx of new residents are coming in. Apparently this is then new
    place to be spurred by the pandemic.

    In a brand new neighborhood a street, and or the streets, have up to 6
    new residents coming from out of stat and are buying new homes.

    And Tesla has or is relocating their world head quarters to this
    location along with their new mega factory.

    And Texas is turning blue.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Wed Nov 3 13:09:14 2021
    On 11/2/2021 7:54 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:19:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 11/1/2021 8:03 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
    On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 14:19:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 8/3/2021 5:59 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    I am sure they do but why not take measures to prevent out of control >>>>>>> wild fires?

    Please, feel free to make suggestions on how, exactly, they should >>>>>> do that.

    Clear cut fire breaks!

    That's your suggestion. You really have no clue about the
    geography of california or how wildfires spread or what
    the winds are like in California.

    And firebreaks are de rigour in California.

    Again, California has been fighting wildfires for a
    hundred years - if it was that simple, it would have
    been done decades ago.

    Decades ago something was done. Then they stopped doing it,
    presumeably because it in some way offended the greenest people. And
    since then the fires have been coming back.


    I just heard on the national news, a report about Austin, TX, that an
    influx of new residents are coming in. Apparently this is then new
    place to be spurred by the pandemic.

    In a brand new neighborhood a street, and or the streets, have up to 6
    new residents coming from out of stat and are buying new homes.

    And Tesla has or is relocating their world head quarters to this
    location along with their new mega factory.

    And Texas is turning blue.


    Sad to say. But mostly Austin, and it has been very blue for many many
    years.

    But hey Virginia went back Red.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Nov 3 21:01:34 2021
    On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 13:09:14 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 11/2/2021 7:54 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:19:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 11/1/2021 8:03 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
    On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 14:19:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 8/3/2021 5:59 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

    I am sure they do but why not take measures to prevent out of control >>>>>>>> wild fires?

    Please, feel free to make suggestions on how, exactly, they should >>>>>>> do that.

    Clear cut fire breaks!

    That's your suggestion. You really have no clue about the
    geography of california or how wildfires spread or what
    the winds are like in California.

    And firebreaks are de rigour in California.

    Again, California has been fighting wildfires for a
    hundred years - if it was that simple, it would have
    been done decades ago.

    Decades ago something was done. Then they stopped doing it,
    presumeably because it in some way offended the greenest people. And
    since then the fires have been coming back.


    I just heard on the national news, a report about Austin, TX, that an
    influx of new residents are coming in. Apparently this is then new
    place to be spurred by the pandemic.

    In a brand new neighborhood a street, and or the streets, have up to 6
    new residents coming from out of stat and are buying new homes.

    And Tesla has or is relocating their world head quarters to this
    location along with their new mega factory.

    And Texas is turning blue.


    Sad to say. But mostly Austin, and it has been very blue for many many
    years.

    The more refugees from CA the closer you come to Armageddon. We all,
    really.

    But hey Virginia went back Red.

    Big time but it's only while Sleepy McAlzheimer does his best to run
    the whole country into the ground. Then it'll go back to being run my
    the Deep Stater's in Northern Virginia.

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