• Wooden Satellite

    From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 8 18:55:46 2025
    https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/08/japans_wooden_satellite_leaves_the/

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Thu Jan 9 11:26:19 2025
    On 1/8/2025 12:55 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/08/japans_wooden_satellite_leaves_the/


    Pretty cool.

    Are you out of harms way over there?

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Jan 9 18:19:57 2025
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 1/8/2025 12:55 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/08/japans_wooden_satellite_leaves_the/


    Pretty cool.

    Are you out of harms way over there?

    Yeah. I used to live in Pasadena, and the area
    I lived in was evacuated. It was not damaged, however,
    since the winds were blowing the Eaton fire to the west/southwest
    into Altadena, parts of which were hit pretty hard. 70-80
    mph wind gusts would blow embers for miles. I used to hike
    Eaton Canyon weekly in the 80's, very rugged mountainous
    terrain.

    The winds prevented any air support (water drops), which exacerbated
    the damage.

    Other friends were evacuated from the La Canada/Flintridge
    area, but that seems to have escaped any damage. Pacific
    Palisades looks to have very significant damage.

    I'm about 350 miles north of there.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Fri Jan 10 09:05:15 2025
    On 1/9/2025 12:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 1/8/2025 12:55 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/08/japans_wooden_satellite_leaves_the/ >>

    Pretty cool.

    Are you out of harms way over there?

    Yeah. I used to live in Pasadena, and the area
    I lived in was evacuated. It was not damaged, however,
    since the winds were blowing the Eaton fire to the west/southwest
    into Altadena, parts of which were hit pretty hard. 70-80
    mph wind gusts would blow embers for miles. I used to hike
    Eaton Canyon weekly in the 80's, very rugged mountainous
    terrain.

    The winds prevented any air support (water drops), which exacerbated
    the damage.

    Other friends were evacuated from the La Canada/Flintridge
    area, but that seems to have escaped any damage. Pacific
    Palisades looks to have very significant damage.

    I'm about 350 miles north of there.


    Good to know you are safe. As you probably know, like hurricanes here
    in Texas, it is reported all over the world that California has been
    burnt to a crisp, brizillion's of acres gone. Your governor is not
    looking good, politically, along with LA's mayor.

    We had a small hurricane back in July and the local utility Center Point
    is still catching hell over power lines going down and people being with
    out power. That in it self is to be expected, I recall being with out electricity for 11 days after a 2008 hurricane, Ike. But people these
    days are ill prepared for any deviation in their life styles because of
    mother nature events.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 10 13:58:59 2025
    On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:05:15 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 1/9/2025 12:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 1/8/2025 12:55 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/08/japans_wooden_satellite_leaves_the/ >>>

    Pretty cool.

    Are you out of harms way over there?

    Yeah. I used to live in Pasadena, and the area
    I lived in was evacuated. It was not damaged, however,
    since the winds were blowing the Eaton fire to the west/southwest
    into Altadena, parts of which were hit pretty hard. 70-80
    mph wind gusts would blow embers for miles. I used to hike
    Eaton Canyon weekly in the 80's, very rugged mountainous
    terrain.

    The winds prevented any air support (water drops), which exacerbated
    the damage.

    Other friends were evacuated from the La Canada/Flintridge
    area, but that seems to have escaped any damage. Pacific
    Palisades looks to have very significant damage.

    I'm about 350 miles north of there.


    Good to know you are safe. As you probably know, like hurricanes here
    in Texas, it is reported all over the world that California has been
    burnt to a crisp, brizillion's of acres gone. Your governor is not
    looking good, politically, along with LA's mayor.

    We had a small hurricane back in July and the local utility Center Point
    is still catching hell over power lines going down and people being with
    out power. That in it self is to be expected, I recall being with out >electricity for 11 days after a 2008 hurricane, Ike. But people these
    days are ill prepared for any deviation in their life styles because of >mother nature events.

    Meanwhile in the Midwest, we had an ice storm, 22 hours no power. The
    house got down to 57F. I have put down about 90lbs of salt and now it
    is snowing a light snow.

    Our ISP replaced the fiber to coaxial node, so then I blow up two
    modems due to 14.5 Vdc at the back of the modem.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to markrm618@hotmail.com on Fri Jan 10 22:09:42 2025
    Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> writes:
    On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:05:15 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 1/9/2025 12:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 1/8/2025 12:55 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/08/japans_wooden_satellite_leaves_the/


    Pretty cool.

    Are you out of harms way over there?

    Yeah. I used to live in Pasadena, and the area
    I lived in was evacuated. It was not damaged, however,
    since the winds were blowing the Eaton fire to the west/southwest
    into Altadena, parts of which were hit pretty hard. 70-80
    mph wind gusts would blow embers for miles. I used to hike
    Eaton Canyon weekly in the 80's, very rugged mountainous
    terrain.

    The winds prevented any air support (water drops), which exacerbated
    the damage.

    Other friends were evacuated from the La Canada/Flintridge
    area, but that seems to have escaped any damage. Pacific
    Palisades looks to have very significant damage.

    I'm about 350 miles north of there.


    Good to know you are safe. As you probably know, like hurricanes here
    in Texas, it is reported all over the world that California has been
    burnt to a crisp, brizillion's of acres gone. Your governor is not
    looking good, politically, along with LA's mayor.

    In reality, the total burn areas sum to less than 100
    square miles (64,000 sq acres) at this point - while
    the entire state is 163,000 square miles in area.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 23 15:52:55 2025
    On 1/10/2025 1:58 PM, Markem618 wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:05:15 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 1/9/2025 12:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 1/8/2025 12:55 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/08/japans_wooden_satellite_leaves_the/


    Pretty cool.

    Are you out of harms way over there?

    Yeah. I used to live in Pasadena, and the area
    I lived in was evacuated. It was not damaged, however,
    since the winds were blowing the Eaton fire to the west/southwest
    into Altadena, parts of which were hit pretty hard. 70-80
    mph wind gusts would blow embers for miles. I used to hike
    Eaton Canyon weekly in the 80's, very rugged mountainous
    terrain.

    The winds prevented any air support (water drops), which exacerbated
    the damage.

    Other friends were evacuated from the La Canada/Flintridge
    area, but that seems to have escaped any damage. Pacific
    Palisades looks to have very significant damage.

    I'm about 350 miles north of there.


    Good to know you are safe. As you probably know, like hurricanes here
    in Texas, it is reported all over the world that California has been
    burnt to a crisp, brizillion's of acres gone. Your governor is not
    looking good, politically, along with LA's mayor.

    We had a small hurricane back in July and the local utility Center Point
    is still catching hell over power lines going down and people being with
    out power. That in it self is to be expected, I recall being with out
    electricity for 11 days after a 2008 hurricane, Ike. But people these
    days are ill prepared for any deviation in their life styles because of
    mother nature events.

    Meanwhile in the Midwest, we had an ice storm, 22 hours no power. The
    house got down to 57F. I have put down about 90lbs of salt and now it
    is snowing a light snow.

    Our ISP replaced the fiber to coaxial node, so then I blow up two
    modems due to 14.5 Vdc at the back of the modem.

    3 years ago we had winter storm Eury. Most of Texas lost power for a
    few days, we did with out for about 26 hours and we too were in the low
    50's inside the house. Our main issue for loss of power through out the
    state was/is the fact that Texas has seen a huge influx of people coming
    here from the east and west coast. The demand is up and that caused the shortage even though the temps only got down to 15 degrees. in 1989 the
    temp went down to 7/Seven degrees and there were no power outages like
    we had 3 years ago.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Thu Jan 23 15:55:45 2025
    On 1/10/2025 4:09 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> writes:
    On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:05:15 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 1/9/2025 12:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 1/8/2025 12:55 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/08/japans_wooden_satellite_leaves_the/


    Pretty cool.

    Are you out of harms way over there?

    Yeah. I used to live in Pasadena, and the area
    I lived in was evacuated. It was not damaged, however,
    since the winds were blowing the Eaton fire to the west/southwest
    into Altadena, parts of which were hit pretty hard. 70-80
    mph wind gusts would blow embers for miles. I used to hike
    Eaton Canyon weekly in the 80's, very rugged mountainous
    terrain.

    The winds prevented any air support (water drops), which exacerbated
    the damage.

    Other friends were evacuated from the La Canada/Flintridge
    area, but that seems to have escaped any damage. Pacific
    Palisades looks to have very significant damage.

    I'm about 350 miles north of there.


    Good to know you are safe. As you probably know, like hurricanes here
    in Texas, it is reported all over the world that California has been
    burnt to a crisp, brizillion's of acres gone. Your governor is not
    looking good, politically, along with LA's mayor.

    In reality, the total burn areas sum to less than 100
    square miles (64,000 sq acres) at this point - while
    the entire state is 163,000 square miles in area.


    The media's mantra is, NEVER let the facts get in the way of a good story.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Jan 23 22:42:43 2025
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 1/10/2025 1:58 PM, Markem618 wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:05:15 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:


    Meanwhile in the Midwest, we had an ice storm, 22 hours no power. The
    house got down to 57F. I have put down about 90lbs of salt and now it
    is snowing a light snow.

    Our ISP replaced the fiber to coaxial node, so then I blow up two
    modems due to 14.5 Vdc at the back of the modem.

    3 years ago we had winter storm Eury. Most of Texas lost power for a
    few days, we did with out for about 26 hours and we too were in the low
    50's inside the house. Our main issue for loss of power through out the >state was/is the fact that Texas has seen a huge influx of people coming
    here from the east and west coast. The demand is up and that caused the >shortage even though the temps only got down to 15 degrees. in 1989 the
    temp went down to 7/Seven degrees and there were no power outages like
    we had 3 years ago.

    IIRC the outage three years ago was caused indirectly by ERCOT which
    resulted in gas trasmission lines for several power plants to be
    shutdown.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/15/texas-power-grid-winter-storm-2021/

    " The inability of power plants to perform in the extreme cold
    was the No. 1 cause of the outages last year."

    "During the February 2021 winter storm, transmission companies
    inadvertently cut power to parts of the natural gas supply chain
    when ERCOT ordered the utilities to reduce power demand or risk
    further damage to the grid."

    "At the same time, some wells were unable to produce as much natural
    gas due to the freezing conditions."

    There was no indications that it was related to any increase in
    population, regardless of the source.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 24 01:10:37 2025
    On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 15:52:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 1/10/2025 1:58 PM, Markem618 wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:05:15 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 1/9/2025 12:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 1/8/2025 12:55 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/08/japans_wooden_satellite_leaves_the/


    Pretty cool.

    Are you out of harms way over there?

    Yeah. I used to live in Pasadena, and the area
    I lived in was evacuated. It was not damaged, however,
    since the winds were blowing the Eaton fire to the west/southwest
    into Altadena, parts of which were hit pretty hard. 70-80
    mph wind gusts would blow embers for miles. I used to hike
    Eaton Canyon weekly in the 80's, very rugged mountainous
    terrain.

    The winds prevented any air support (water drops), which exacerbated
    the damage.

    Other friends were evacuated from the La Canada/Flintridge
    area, but that seems to have escaped any damage. Pacific
    Palisades looks to have very significant damage.

    I'm about 350 miles north of there.


    Good to know you are safe. As you probably know, like hurricanes here
    in Texas, it is reported all over the world that California has been
    burnt to a crisp, brizillion's of acres gone. Your governor is not
    looking good, politically, along with LA's mayor.

    We had a small hurricane back in July and the local utility Center Point >>> is still catching hell over power lines going down and people being with >>> out power. That in it self is to be expected, I recall being with out
    electricity for 11 days after a 2008 hurricane, Ike. But people these
    days are ill prepared for any deviation in their life styles because of
    mother nature events.

    Meanwhile in the Midwest, we had an ice storm, 22 hours no power. The
    house got down to 57F. I have put down about 90lbs of salt and now it
    is snowing a light snow.

    Our ISP replaced the fiber to coaxial node, so then I blow up two
    modems due to 14.5 Vdc at the back of the modem.

    3 years ago we had winter storm Eury. Most of Texas lost power for a
    few days, we did with out for about 26 hours and we too were in the low
    50's inside the house. Our main issue for loss of power through out the >state was/is the fact that Texas has seen a huge influx of people coming
    here from the east and west coast. The demand is up and that caused the >shortage even though the temps only got down to 15 degrees. in 1989 the
    temp went down to 7/Seven degrees and there were no power outages like
    we had 3 years ago.

    Texas is also it's own power grid. We are connected to a coop, when we
    moved down here they were just opening the most efficient coal plant,
    in Marrissa IL, all coal mined and processed on site that was in 99.

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

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  • From Just Another Joe@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 24 03:53:12 2025
    On Jan 24, 2025, Markem618 wrote
    (in article<7qe6pjtor6vmp69slqnnu4kr5btqd2end5@4ax.com>):

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

    In the past year I installed a 22 KW Generac generator. It included a 500 gallon propane tank, buried because SWMBO didn’t want it to spoil her view out the window 😵‍💫

    That whole process is not cheap! But like life insurance, it’s something
    you do, and hope you don’t ever have to use it!

    Joe

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to justanotherjoe@pmail.com on Fri Jan 24 10:06:00 2025
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 03:53:12 -0500, Just Another Joe
    <justanotherjoe@pmail.com> wrote:

    On Jan 24, 2025, Markem618 wrote
    (in article<7qe6pjtor6vmp69slqnnu4kr5btqd2end5@4ax.com>):

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

    In the past year I installed a 22 KW Generac generator. It included a 500 >gallon propane tank, buried because SWMBO didnt want it to spoil her view >out the window ???
    Joe


    What are the inspection requirements for that underground tank ?
    I recently considered purchasing a separate dedicated propane tank
    for a proposed standby generator but was told that it needed a minor
    inspection every 5 years and a major inspection every 10 years.
    My existing tanks are rented, so I've never had to worry about it.
    John T.

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Fri Jan 24 16:58:42 2025
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 10:06:00 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 03:53:12 -0500, Just Another Joe ><justanotherjoe@pmail.com> wrote:

    On Jan 24, 2025, Markem618 wrote
    (in article<7qe6pjtor6vmp69slqnnu4kr5btqd2end5@4ax.com>):

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

    In the past year I installed a 22 KW Generac generator. It included a 500 >>gallon propane tank, buried because SWMBO didnt want it to spoil her view >>out the window ???
    Joe


    What are the inspection requirements for that underground tank ?
    I recently considered purchasing a separate dedicated propane tank
    for a proposed standby generator but was told that it needed a minor >inspection every 5 years and a major inspection every 10 years.
    My existing tanks are rented, so I've never had to worry about it.
    John T.
    So just rent another tank??

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 24 18:35:40 2025
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 16:58:42 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 10:06:00 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 03:53:12 -0500, Just Another Joe >><justanotherjoe@pmail.com> wrote:

    On Jan 24, 2025, Markem618 wrote
    (in article<7qe6pjtor6vmp69slqnnu4kr5btqd2end5@4ax.com>):

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

    In the past year I installed a 22 KW Generac generator. It included a 500 >>>gallon propane tank, buried because SWMBO didnt want it to spoil her view >>>out the window ???
    Joe


    What are the inspection requirements for that underground tank ?
    I recently considered purchasing a separate dedicated propane tank
    for a proposed standby generator but was told that it needed a minor >>inspection every 5 years and a major inspection every 10 years.
    My existing tanks are rented, so I've never had to worry about it.
    John T.


    So just rent another tank??


    They aren't keen on renting one that may be filled only
    every 5 years or so .. understandably.
    John T.

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Fri Jan 24 20:40:13 2025
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 18:35:40 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 16:58:42 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 10:06:00 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 03:53:12 -0500, Just Another Joe >>><justanotherjoe@pmail.com> wrote:

    On Jan 24, 2025, Markem618 wrote
    (in article<7qe6pjtor6vmp69slqnnu4kr5btqd2end5@4ax.com>):

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

    In the past year I installed a 22 KW Generac generator. It included a 500 >>>>gallon propane tank, buried because SWMBO didnt want it to spoil her view >>>>out the window ???
    Joe


    What are the inspection requirements for that underground tank ?
    I recently considered purchasing a separate dedicated propane tank
    for a proposed standby generator but was told that it needed a minor >>>inspection every 5 years and a major inspection every 10 years.
    My existing tanks are rented, so I've never had to worry about it.
    John T.


    So just rent another tank??


    They aren't keen on renting one that may be filled only
    every 5 years or so .. understandably.
    John T.
    put a set of valves on to allow you to rotate tanks so they get to
    fill both at least once every 18 months??

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 24 21:52:38 2025
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 20:40:13 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 18:35:40 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 16:58:42 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> >>wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 10:06:00 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 03:53:12 -0500, Just Another Joe >>>><justanotherjoe@pmail.com> wrote:

    On Jan 24, 2025, Markem618 wrote
    (in article<7qe6pjtor6vmp69slqnnu4kr5btqd2end5@4ax.com>):

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

    In the past year I installed a 22 KW Generac generator. It included a 500 >>>>>gallon propane tank, buried because SWMBO didnt want it to spoil her view >>>>>out the window ???
    Joe


    What are the inspection requirements for that underground tank ?
    I recently considered purchasing a separate dedicated propane tank
    for a proposed standby generator but was told that it needed a minor >>>>inspection every 5 years and a major inspection every 10 years.
    My existing tanks are rented, so I've never had to worry about it.
    John T.


    So just rent another tank??


    They aren't keen on renting one that may be filled only
    every 5 years or so .. understandably.
    John T.

    put a set of valves on to allow you to rotate tanks so they get to
    fill both at least once every 18 months??


    The problem is the location of the existing 2 tanks is at
    the furthest corner of the house from the electric meter.
    < where I'd like the generator located >
    ... it's a long & tricky run to bury the propane line,
    but I expect that is what I'll need to have done.
    I'm also trying to avoid disturbing the somewhat newly
    refinished basement.
    John T.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Sat Jan 25 20:41:28 2025
    hubops@ccanoemail.com writes:
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 20:40:13 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 18:35:40 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 16:58:42 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 10:06:00 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 03:53:12 -0500, Just Another Joe >>>>><justanotherjoe@pmail.com> wrote:

    On Jan 24, 2025, Markem618 wrote
    (in article<7qe6pjtor6vmp69slqnnu4kr5btqd2end5@4ax.com>):

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

    In the past year I installed a 22 KW Generac generator. It included a 500 >>>>>>gallon propane tank, buried because SWMBO didnt want it to spoil her view
    out the window ???
    Joe


    What are the inspection requirements for that underground tank ?
    I recently considered purchasing a separate dedicated propane tank >>>>>for a proposed standby generator but was told that it needed a minor >>>>>inspection every 5 years and a major inspection every 10 years.
    My existing tanks are rented, so I've never had to worry about it.
    John T.


    So just rent another tank??


    They aren't keen on renting one that may be filled only
    every 5 years or so .. understandably.
    John T.

    put a set of valves on to allow you to rotate tanks so they get to
    fill both at least once every 18 months??


    The problem is the location of the existing 2 tanks is at
    the furthest corner of the house from the electric meter.
    < where I'd like the generator located >
    ... it's a long & tricky run to bury the propane line,

    Would it be easier to colocate the generator with those
    tanks, and run the electrical line from the generator
    to the transfer switch?

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 25 15:55:08 2025
    On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 20:41:28 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    hubops@ccanoemail.com writes:
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 20:40:13 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> >>wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 18:35:40 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 16:58:42 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 10:06:00 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 03:53:12 -0500, Just Another Joe >>>>>><justanotherjoe@pmail.com> wrote:

    On Jan 24, 2025, Markem618 wrote
    (in article<7qe6pjtor6vmp69slqnnu4kr5btqd2end5@4ax.com>):

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

    In the past year I installed a 22 KW Generac generator. It included a 500
    gallon propane tank, buried because SWMBO didnt want it to spoil her view
    out the window ???
    Joe


    What are the inspection requirements for that underground tank ?
    I recently considered purchasing a separate dedicated propane tank >>>>>>for a proposed standby generator but was told that it needed a minor >>>>>>inspection every 5 years and a major inspection every 10 years.
    My existing tanks are rented, so I've never had to worry about it. >>>>>> John T.


    So just rent another tank??


    They aren't keen on renting one that may be filled only
    every 5 years or so .. understandably.
    John T.

    put a set of valves on to allow you to rotate tanks so they get to
    fill both at least once every 18 months??


    The problem is the location of the existing 2 tanks is at
    the furthest corner of the house from the electric meter.
    < where I'd like the generator located >
    ... it's a long & tricky run to bury the propane line,

    Would it be easier to colocate the generator with those
    tanks, and run the electrical line from the generator
    to the transfer switch?


    Not a lot of difference - in running buried propane line
    or buried wire. I'm not keen on running either up and through
    2 split-level attics and back down.
    The generator located at the meter is best for noise also -
    outside the garage rather than the kitchen.
    John T.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 27 19:08:51 2025
    On 1/24/2025 1:10 AM, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 15:52:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 1/10/2025 1:58 PM, Markem618 wrote:
    On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 09:05:15 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 1/9/2025 12:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 1/8/2025 12:55 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/08/japans_wooden_satellite_leaves_the/


    Pretty cool.

    Are you out of harms way over there?

    Yeah. I used to live in Pasadena, and the area
    I lived in was evacuated. It was not damaged, however,
    since the winds were blowing the Eaton fire to the west/southwest
    into Altadena, parts of which were hit pretty hard. 70-80
    mph wind gusts would blow embers for miles. I used to hike
    Eaton Canyon weekly in the 80's, very rugged mountainous
    terrain.

    The winds prevented any air support (water drops), which exacerbated >>>>> the damage.

    Other friends were evacuated from the La Canada/Flintridge
    area, but that seems to have escaped any damage. Pacific
    Palisades looks to have very significant damage.

    I'm about 350 miles north of there.


    Good to know you are safe. As you probably know, like hurricanes here >>>> in Texas, it is reported all over the world that California has been
    burnt to a crisp, brizillion's of acres gone. Your governor is not
    looking good, politically, along with LA's mayor.

    We had a small hurricane back in July and the local utility Center Point >>>> is still catching hell over power lines going down and people being with >>>> out power. That in it self is to be expected, I recall being with out >>>> electricity for 11 days after a 2008 hurricane, Ike. But people these >>>> days are ill prepared for any deviation in their life styles because of >>>> mother nature events.

    Meanwhile in the Midwest, we had an ice storm, 22 hours no power. The
    house got down to 57F. I have put down about 90lbs of salt and now it
    is snowing a light snow.

    Our ISP replaced the fiber to coaxial node, so then I blow up two
    modems due to 14.5 Vdc at the back of the modem.

    3 years ago we had winter storm Eury. Most of Texas lost power for a
    few days, we did with out for about 26 hours and we too were in the low
    50's inside the house. Our main issue for loss of power through out the
    state was/is the fact that Texas has seen a huge influx of people coming
    here from the east and west coast. The demand is up and that caused the
    shortage even though the temps only got down to 15 degrees. in 1989 the
    temp went down to 7/Seven degrees and there were no power outages like
    we had 3 years ago.

    Texas is also it's own power grid. We are connected to a coop, when we
    moved down here they were just opening the most efficient coal plant,
    in Marrissa IL, all coal mined and processed on site that was in 99.

    Still makes me consider a backup system.


    We installed a whole house generator in the summer of 2022. Too late
    for the power loss during the big freeze. ERCOT underestimated the
    demand compared to previous big freezes. The population in Texas shurged significantly in the last several years. Shocking how many moved to
    Houston during Covid. But after the hurricane in July last year we had
    60 straight hours of uninterrupted power. Cost to run the generator
    those 60 hours, $60.00.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Mon Jan 27 19:15:20 2025
    On 1/25/2025 2:41 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    hubops@ccanoemail.com writes:
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 20:40:13 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 18:35:40 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 16:58:42 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 10:06:00 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 03:53:12 -0500, Just Another Joe
    <justanotherjoe@pmail.com> wrote:

    On Jan 24, 2025, Markem618 wrote
    (in article<7qe6pjtor6vmp69slqnnu4kr5btqd2end5@4ax.com>):

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

    In the past year I installed a 22 KW Generac generator. It included a 500
    gallon propane tank, buried because SWMBO didn’t want it to spoil her view
    out the window ???
    Joe


    What are the inspection requirements for that underground tank ?
    I recently considered purchasing a separate dedicated propane tank >>>>>> for a proposed standby generator but was told that it needed a minor >>>>>> inspection every 5 years and a major inspection every 10 years.
    My existing tanks are rented, so I've never had to worry about it. >>>>>> John T.


    So just rent another tank??


    They aren't keen on renting one that may be filled only
    every 5 years or so .. understandably.
    John T.

    put a set of valves on to allow you to rotate tanks so they get to
    fill both at least once every 18 months??


    The problem is the location of the existing 2 tanks is at
    the furthest corner of the house from the electric meter.
    < where I'd like the generator located >
    ... it's a long & tricky run to bury the propane line,

    Would it be easier to colocate the generator with those
    tanks, and run the electrical line from the generator
    to the transfer switch?

    Kind of a coin toss. The lions share of the cost to bury copper wire
    or copper pipe is the labor.
    We were extremely lucky as there was no extra charge to run the pipe and
    cable to our meters. The generator is behind our 3rd stall of our
    garage and the meters are located on the side of that 3rd stall. It was
    all run above ground attached to the brick.

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 27 22:12:33 2025
    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:15:20 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 1/25/2025 2:41 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    hubops@ccanoemail.com writes:
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 20:40:13 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 18:35:40 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 16:58:42 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>> wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 10:06:00 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 03:53:12 -0500, Just Another Joe
    <justanotherjoe@pmail.com> wrote:

    On Jan 24, 2025, Markem618 wrote
    (in article<7qe6pjtor6vmp69slqnnu4kr5btqd2end5@4ax.com>):

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

    In the past year I installed a 22 KW Generac generator. It included a 500
    gallon propane tank, buried because SWMBO didnt want it to spoil her view
    out the window ???
    Joe


    What are the inspection requirements for that underground tank ? >>>>>>> I recently considered purchasing a separate dedicated propane tank >>>>>>> for a proposed standby generator but was told that it needed a minor >>>>>>> inspection every 5 years and a major inspection every 10 years.
    My existing tanks are rented, so I've never had to worry about it. >>>>>>> John T.


    So just rent another tank??


    They aren't keen on renting one that may be filled only
    every 5 years or so .. understandably.
    John T.

    put a set of valves on to allow you to rotate tanks so they get to
    fill both at least once every 18 months??


    The problem is the location of the existing 2 tanks is at
    the furthest corner of the house from the electric meter.
    < where I'd like the generator located >
    ... it's a long & tricky run to bury the propane line,

    Would it be easier to colocate the generator with those
    tanks, and run the electrical line from the generator
    to the transfer switch?

    Kind of a coin toss. The lions share of the cost to bury copper wire
    or copper pipe is the labor.
    We were extremely lucky as there was no extra charge to run the pipe and >cable to our meters. The generator is behind our 3rd stall of our
    garage and the meters are located on the side of that 3rd stall. It was
    all run above ground attached to the brick.
    My backup generator is not permanently attached and won't run the
    WHOLE house at once - but will run the basics - furnace, lights,
    microwave, even the kitchen stove if nothing other than lights are on
    with it. Helps we are almost 100% LED for lighting.
    I need to pull it out of the shed and plug it into the house (and
    flip the interlock switch) when it is needed
    It will run on gasoline, Propane at about 80%, and Natural gas at
    closer to 70% power. For long term outages I would have to ration the
    power a bit and run on natural gas. I keep 2 20 lb propane tanks
    around and usually also keep about 20 gallons of gasoline - enough to
    run a couple days of full power requirements if necessary. I don't
    have the gasoline this year because I can't handle the cans after my
    back surgery - and I'm not running my snow blower for the same reason
    (I used to blow a lot of the neighbour's snow too) - so I'm HOPING we
    don't have an outage this winter ____

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Fri Feb 7 15:15:07 2025
    On 1/27/2025 9:12 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:15:20 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 1/25/2025 2:41 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    hubops@ccanoemail.com writes:
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 20:40:13 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 18:35:40 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 16:58:42 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>>> wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 10:06:00 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote: >>>>>>>
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 03:53:12 -0500, Just Another Joe
    <justanotherjoe@pmail.com> wrote:

    On Jan 24, 2025, Markem618 wrote
    (in article<7qe6pjtor6vmp69slqnnu4kr5btqd2end5@4ax.com>):

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

    In the past year I installed a 22 KW Generac generator. It included a 500
    gallon propane tank, buried because SWMBO didn’t want it to spoil her view
    out the window ???
    Joe


    What are the inspection requirements for that underground tank ? >>>>>>>> I recently considered purchasing a separate dedicated propane tank >>>>>>>> for a proposed standby generator but was told that it needed a minor >>>>>>>> inspection every 5 years and a major inspection every 10 years. >>>>>>>> My existing tanks are rented, so I've never had to worry about it. >>>>>>>> John T.


    So just rent another tank??


    They aren't keen on renting one that may be filled only
    every 5 years or so .. understandably.
    John T.

    put a set of valves on to allow you to rotate tanks so they get to
    fill both at least once every 18 months??


    The problem is the location of the existing 2 tanks is at
    the furthest corner of the house from the electric meter.
    < where I'd like the generator located >
    ... it's a long & tricky run to bury the propane line,

    Would it be easier to colocate the generator with those
    tanks, and run the electrical line from the generator
    to the transfer switch?

    Kind of a coin toss. The lions share of the cost to bury copper wire
    or copper pipe is the labor.
    We were extremely lucky as there was no extra charge to run the pipe and
    cable to our meters. The generator is behind our 3rd stall of our
    garage and the meters are located on the side of that 3rd stall. It was
    all run above ground attached to the brick.
    My backup generator is not permanently attached and won't run the
    WHOLE house at once - but will run the basics - furnace, lights,
    microwave, even the kitchen stove if nothing other than lights are on
    with it. Helps we are almost 100% LED for lighting.
    I need to pull it out of the shed and plug it into the house (and
    flip the interlock switch) when it is needed
    It will run on gasoline, Propane at about 80%, and Natural gas at
    closer to 70% power. For long term outages I would have to ration the
    power a bit and run on natural gas. I keep 2 20 lb propane tanks
    around and usually also keep about 20 gallons of gasoline - enough to
    run a couple days of full power requirements if necessary. I don't
    have the gasoline this year because I can't handle the cans after my
    back surgery - and I'm not running my snow blower for the same reason
    (I used to blow a lot of the neighbour's snow too) - so I'm HOPING we
    don't have an outage this winter ____


    I never wanted to consider having 20 gallons of gasoline around for a generator. You do what you have to do but gasoline does eventually go
    bad, even with a stabilizer.

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Leon on Sat Feb 8 23:10:41 2025
    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 15:15:07 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 1/27/2025 9:12 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 19:15:20 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 1/25/2025 2:41 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    hubops@ccanoemail.com writes:
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 20:40:13 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>> wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 18:35:40 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 16:58:42 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 10:06:00 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>
    On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 03:53:12 -0500, Just Another Joe
    <justanotherjoe@pmail.com> wrote:

    On Jan 24, 2025, Markem618 wrote
    (in article<7qe6pjtor6vmp69slqnnu4kr5btqd2end5@4ax.com>):

    Still makes me consider a backup system.

    In the past year I installed a 22 KW Generac generator. It included a 500
    gallon propane tank, buried because SWMBO didnt want it to spoil her view
    out the window ???
    Joe


    What are the inspection requirements for that underground tank ? >>>>>>>>> I recently considered purchasing a separate dedicated propane tank >>>>>>>>> for a proposed standby generator but was told that it needed a minor >>>>>>>>> inspection every 5 years and a major inspection every 10 years. >>>>>>>>> My existing tanks are rented, so I've never had to worry about it. >>>>>>>>> John T.


    So just rent another tank??


    They aren't keen on renting one that may be filled only
    every 5 years or so .. understandably.
    John T.

    put a set of valves on to allow you to rotate tanks so they get to >>>>>> fill both at least once every 18 months??


    The problem is the location of the existing 2 tanks is at
    the furthest corner of the house from the electric meter.
    < where I'd like the generator located >
    ... it's a long & tricky run to bury the propane line,

    Would it be easier to colocate the generator with those
    tanks, and run the electrical line from the generator
    to the transfer switch?

    Kind of a coin toss. The lions share of the cost to bury copper wire
    or copper pipe is the labor.
    We were extremely lucky as there was no extra charge to run the pipe and >>> cable to our meters. The generator is behind our 3rd stall of our
    garage and the meters are located on the side of that 3rd stall. It was >>> all run above ground attached to the brick.
    My backup generator is not permanently attached and won't run the
    WHOLE house at once - but will run the basics - furnace, lights,
    microwave, even the kitchen stove if nothing other than lights are on
    with it. Helps we are almost 100% LED for lighting.
    I need to pull it out of the shed and plug it into the house (and
    flip the interlock switch) when it is needed
    It will run on gasoline, Propane at about 80%, and Natural gas at
    closer to 70% power. For long term outages I would have to ration the
    power a bit and run on natural gas. I keep 2 20 lb propane tanks
    around and usually also keep about 20 gallons of gasoline - enough to
    run a couple days of full power requirements if necessary. I don't
    have the gasoline this year because I can't handle the cans after my
    back surgery - and I'm not running my snow blower for the same reason
    (I used to blow a lot of the neighbour's snow too) - so I'm HOPING we
    don't have an outage this winter ____


    I never wanted to consider having 20 gallons of gasoline around for a >generator. You do what you have to do but gasoline does eventually go
    bad, even with a stabilizer.
    It gets dumped into the Ranger come spring - never gets more than
    about 5 months old and have never had a problem in over 10 years.

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