• Old Table Saws

    From knuttle@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 7 08:36:16 2024
    I inherited my father in laws table saw. It is a Sear and Roebuck 10"
    saw, knowing my father in law probably top of the line. He purchased
    it about 1970, I got it some time in the late 1980's

    The original motor has "died" twice since I got it. The first time I
    took it to a shop. The guy dissembled it while I was there and found a
    lot of fine dust inside of the case, which he blew out with an air hose.
    He reassembled it and it ran perfectly until about a week ago.

    It "died" again about a week ago. But again I found it was full of dust,
    that interfered with a mechanical switch in the Capacitor start
    assembly. Took it apart, blew the dust out and we are back in business.

    The point is that if you have an old motor that dies, don't run out and
    spend $200 or more for a new motor.

    With the old Sears motor there are four long bolts that go completely
    through the motor. Removing these bolt allows the motor to be separated
    into four parts. The end with the electrical connections, the Shaft
    with the electrical windings, the main body, and the opposite end.

    Using an air hose blow the dust from each part. Concentrating on the
    board with the electrical connection, as that has the switch that get
    block. Reassemble as you took it apart.

    NOTE: the motor should be unplugged, and all parts that come out MUST go
    back in as they were founds. NO parts left over.

    Routinely blow the sawdust out of he motor and oil the bearings. The
    oil points on my motor are covered by little rubber plugs. I did not
    know what they were until the guy showed me the first time the motor "died"

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  • From Just Wondering@21:1/5 to knuttle on Thu Nov 7 10:46:37 2024
    On 11/7/2024 6:36 AM, knuttle wrote:
    I inherited my father in laws table saw.  It is a Sear and Roebuck 10"
    saw, knowing my father in law probably top of the line.   He purchased
    it about 1970, I got it some time in the late 1980's

    The original motor has "died" twice since I got it.  The first time I
    took it to a shop.  The guy dissembled it while I was there and found a
    lot of fine dust inside of the case, which he blew out with an air hose.
    He reassembled it and it ran perfectly until about a week ago.

    It "died" again about a week ago. But again I found it was full of dust,
    that interfered with a mechanical switch in the Capacitor start
    assembly.  Took it apart, blew the dust out and we are back in business.

    The point is that if you have an old motor that dies, don't run out and
    spend $200 or more for a new motor.

    With the old Sears motor there are four long bolts that go completely
    through the motor.  Removing these bolt allows the motor to be separated into four parts.  The end with the electrical connections, the Shaft
    with the electrical windings, the main body, and the opposite end.

    Using an air hose blow the dust from each part. Concentrating on the
    board with the electrical connection, as that has the switch that get block.  Reassemble as you took it apart.

    NOTE: the motor should be unplugged, and all parts that come out MUST go
    back in as they were founds. NO parts left over.

    Routinely blow the sawdust out of he motor and oil the bearings.  The
    oil points on my motor are covered by little rubber plugs.  I did not
    know what they were until the guy showed me the first time the motor "died"

    Just plug that motor into a 220V outlet. The motor will spin twice as
    fast, and the centrifugal force will throw all that sawdust out. :)

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to Just Wondering on Thu Nov 7 20:00:57 2024
    On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:46:37 -0700, Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:

    On 11/7/2024 6:36 AM, knuttle wrote:
    I inherited my father in laws table saw. It is a Sear and Roebuck 10"
    saw, knowing my father in law probably top of the line. He purchased
    it about 1970, I got it some time in the late 1980's

    The original motor has "died" twice since I got it. The first time I
    took it to a shop. The guy dissembled it while I was there and found a
    lot of fine dust inside of the case, which he blew out with an air hose.
    He reassembled it and it ran perfectly until about a week ago.

    It "died" again about a week ago. But again I found it was full of dust,
    that interfered with a mechanical switch in the Capacitor start
    assembly. Took it apart, blew the dust out and we are back in business.

    The point is that if you have an old motor that dies, don't run out and
    spend $200 or more for a new motor.

    With the old Sears motor there are four long bolts that go completely
    through the motor. Removing these bolt allows the motor to be separated
    into four parts. The end with the electrical connections, the Shaft
    with the electrical windings, the main body, and the opposite end.

    Using an air hose blow the dust from each part. Concentrating on the
    board with the electrical connection, as that has the switch that get
    block. Reassemble as you took it apart.

    NOTE: the motor should be unplugged, and all parts that come out MUST go
    back in as they were founds. NO parts left over.

    Routinely blow the sawdust out of he motor and oil the bearings. The
    oil points on my motor are covered by little rubber plugs. I did not
    know what they were until the guy showed me the first time the motor "died" >>
    Just plug that motor into a 220V outlet. The motor will spin twice as
    fast, and the centrifugal force will throw all that sawdust out. :)

    Stop! It's an induction motor, not DC. It will *not* run at twice
    the speed, but it will try to get *four* time hotter than designed
    for.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 7 21:09:20 2024
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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Just Wondering on Thu Nov 7 22:08:17 2024
    On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:46:37 -0700, Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:

    On 11/7/2024 6:36 AM, knuttle wrote:
    I inherited my father in laws table saw. It is a Sear and Roebuck 10"
    saw, knowing my father in law probably top of the line. He purchased
    it about 1970, I got it some time in the late 1980's

    The original motor has "died" twice since I got it. The first time I
    took it to a shop. The guy dissembled it while I was there and found a
    lot of fine dust inside of the case, which he blew out with an air hose.
    He reassembled it and it ran perfectly until about a week ago.

    It "died" again about a week ago. But again I found it was full of dust,
    that interfered with a mechanical switch in the Capacitor start
    assembly. Took it apart, blew the dust out and we are back in business.

    The point is that if you have an old motor that dies, don't run out and
    spend $200 or more for a new motor.

    With the old Sears motor there are four long bolts that go completely
    through the motor. Removing these bolt allows the motor to be separated
    into four parts. The end with the electrical connections, the Shaft
    with the electrical windings, the main body, and the opposite end.

    Using an air hose blow the dust from each part. Concentrating on the
    board with the electrical connection, as that has the switch that get
    block. Reassemble as you took it apart.

    NOTE: the motor should be unplugged, and all parts that come out MUST go
    back in as they were founds. NO parts left over.

    Routinely blow the sawdust out of he motor and oil the bearings. The
    oil points on my motor are covered by little rubber plugs. I did not
    know what they were until the guy showed me the first time the motor "died" >>
    Just plug that motor into a 220V outlet. The motor will spin twice as
    fast, and the centrifugal force will throw all that sawdust out. :)
    Along with all the magic smoke (and actually, no, it will NOT spin
    trice as fast as it is a repuldion start INDUCTION motor which is
    frequency dependent - not voltage!!!

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  • From Just Wondering@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Thu Nov 7 23:37:36 2024
    On 11/7/2024 8:08 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:46:37 -0700, Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:

    On 11/7/2024 6:36 AM, knuttle wrote:
    I inherited my father in laws table saw.  It is a Sear and Roebuck 10"
    saw, knowing my father in law probably top of the line.   He purchased >>> it about 1970, I got it some time in the late 1980's

    The original motor has "died" twice since I got it.  The first time I
    took it to a shop.  The guy dissembled it while I was there and found a >>> lot of fine dust inside of the case, which he blew out with an air hose. >>> He reassembled it and it ran perfectly until about a week ago.

    It "died" again about a week ago. But again I found it was full of dust, >>> that interfered with a mechanical switch in the Capacitor start
    assembly.  Took it apart, blew the dust out and we are back in business. >>>
    The point is that if you have an old motor that dies, don't run out and
    spend $200 or more for a new motor.

    With the old Sears motor there are four long bolts that go completely
    through the motor.  Removing these bolt allows the motor to be separated >>> into four parts.  The end with the electrical connections, the Shaft
    with the electrical windings, the main body, and the opposite end.

    Using an air hose blow the dust from each part. Concentrating on the
    board with the electrical connection, as that has the switch that get
    block.  Reassemble as you took it apart.

    NOTE: the motor should be unplugged, and all parts that come out MUST go >>> back in as they were founds. NO parts left over.

    Routinely blow the sawdust out of he motor and oil the bearings.  The
    oil points on my motor are covered by little rubber plugs.  I did not
    know what they were until the guy showed me the first time the motor "died" >>>
    Just plug that motor into a 220V outlet. The motor will spin twice as
    fast, and the centrifugal force will throw all that sawdust out. :)

    Along with all the magic smoke (and actually, no, it will NOT spin
    trice as fast as it is a repuldion start INDUCTION motor which is
    frequency dependent - not voltage!!!

    Has everyone lost their sense of humor?

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  • From Just Wondering@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Thu Nov 7 23:36:29 2024
    On 11/7/2024 6:00 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:46:37 -0700, Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:

    On 11/7/2024 6:36 AM, knuttle wrote:
    I inherited my father in laws table saw.  It is a Sear and Roebuck 10"
    saw, knowing my father in law probably top of the line.   He purchased >>> it about 1970, I got it some time in the late 1980's

    The original motor has "died" twice since I got it.  The first time I
    took it to a shop.  The guy dissembled it while I was there and found a >>> lot of fine dust inside of the case, which he blew out with an air hose. >>> He reassembled it and it ran perfectly until about a week ago.

    It "died" again about a week ago. But again I found it was full of dust, >>> that interfered with a mechanical switch in the Capacitor start
    assembly.  Took it apart, blew the dust out and we are back in business. >>>
    The point is that if you have an old motor that dies, don't run out and
    spend $200 or more for a new motor.

    With the old Sears motor there are four long bolts that go completely
    through the motor.  Removing these bolt allows the motor to be separated >>> into four parts.  The end with the electrical connections, the Shaft
    with the electrical windings, the main body, and the opposite end.

    Using an air hose blow the dust from each part. Concentrating on the
    board with the electrical connection, as that has the switch that get
    block.  Reassemble as you took it apart.

    NOTE: the motor should be unplugged, and all parts that come out MUST go >>> back in as they were founds. NO parts left over.

    Routinely blow the sawdust out of he motor and oil the bearings.  The
    oil points on my motor are covered by little rubber plugs.  I did not
    know what they were until the guy showed me the first time the motor "died" >>>
    Just plug that motor into a 220V outlet. The motor will spin twice as
    fast, and the centrifugal force will throw all that sawdust out. :)

    Stop! It's an induction motor, not DC. It will *not* run at twice
    the speed, but it will try to get *four* time hotter than designed
    for.

    Joe Gwinn

    See that :) ? That's a smiley face, it means I was joking.
    But maybe getting hotter would burn the sawdust out. :) :)

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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 8 10:03:51 2024
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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Just Wondering on Fri Nov 8 14:28:45 2024
    Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> writes:
    On 11/7/2024 8:08 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:46:37 -0700, Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:

    On 11/7/2024 6:36 AM, knuttle wrote:
    I inherited my father in laws table saw.  It is a Sear and Roebuck 10" >>>> saw, knowing my father in law probably top of the line.   He purchased >>>> it about 1970, I got it some time in the late 1980's

    The original motor has "died" twice since I got it.  The first time I >>>> took it to a shop.  The guy dissembled it while I was there and found a >>>> lot of fine dust inside of the case, which he blew out with an air hose. >>>> He reassembled it and it ran perfectly until about a week ago.

    It "died" again about a week ago. But again I found it was full of dust, >>>> that interfered with a mechanical switch in the Capacitor start
    assembly.  Took it apart, blew the dust out and we are back in business. >>>>
    The point is that if you have an old motor that dies, don't run out and >>>> spend $200 or more for a new motor.

    With the old Sears motor there are four long bolts that go completely
    through the motor.  Removing these bolt allows the motor to be separated >>>> into four parts.  The end with the electrical connections, the Shaft
    with the electrical windings, the main body, and the opposite end.

    Using an air hose blow the dust from each part. Concentrating on the
    board with the electrical connection, as that has the switch that get
    block.  Reassemble as you took it apart.

    NOTE: the motor should be unplugged, and all parts that come out MUST go >>>> back in as they were founds. NO parts left over.

    Routinely blow the sawdust out of he motor and oil the bearings.  The >>>> oil points on my motor are covered by little rubber plugs.  I did not >>>> know what they were until the guy showed me the first time the motor "died"

    Just plug that motor into a 220V outlet. The motor will spin twice as
    fast, and the centrifugal force will throw all that sawdust out. :)

    Along with all the magic smoke (and actually, no, it will NOT spin
    trice as fast as it is a repuldion start INDUCTION motor which is
    frequency dependent - not voltage!!!

    Has everyone lost their sense of humor?

    No. But it's easy to miss the :), many readers of rec.woodworking
    (if there are any left) will not understand the smiley, and there
    are some who possibly may try your suggestion to their detriment.

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  • From Just Wondering@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Fri Nov 8 10:30:59 2024
    On 11/8/2024 7:28 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> writes:
    On 11/7/2024 8:08 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:46:37 -0700, Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:

    On 11/7/2024 6:36 AM, knuttle wrote:
    I inherited my father in laws table saw.  It is a Sear and Roebuck 10" >>>>> saw, knowing my father in law probably top of the line.   He purchased
    it about 1970, I got it some time in the late 1980's

    The original motor has "died" twice since I got it.  The first time I >>>>> took it to a shop.  The guy dissembled it while I was there and found a
    lot of fine dust inside of the case, which he blew out with an air hose. >>>>> He reassembled it and it ran perfectly until about a week ago.

    It "died" again about a week ago. But again I found it was full of dust, >>>>> that interfered with a mechanical switch in the Capacitor start
    assembly.  Took it apart, blew the dust out and we are back in business.

    The point is that if you have an old motor that dies, don't run out and >>>>> spend $200 or more for a new motor.

    With the old Sears motor there are four long bolts that go completely >>>>> through the motor.  Removing these bolt allows the motor to be separated
    into four parts.  The end with the electrical connections, the Shaft >>>>> with the electrical windings, the main body, and the opposite end.

    Using an air hose blow the dust from each part. Concentrating on the >>>>> board with the electrical connection, as that has the switch that get >>>>> block.  Reassemble as you took it apart.

    NOTE: the motor should be unplugged, and all parts that come out MUST go >>>>> back in as they were founds. NO parts left over.

    Routinely blow the sawdust out of he motor and oil the bearings.  The >>>>> oil points on my motor are covered by little rubber plugs.  I did not >>>>> know what they were until the guy showed me the first time the motor "died"

    Just plug that motor into a 220V outlet. The motor will spin twice as >>>> fast, and the centrifugal force will throw all that sawdust out. :)

    Along with all the magic smoke (and actually, no, it will NOT spin
    trice as fast as it is a repuldion start INDUCTION motor which is
    frequency dependent - not voltage!!!

    Has everyone lost their sense of humor?

    No. But it's easy to miss the :), many readers of rec.woodworking
    (if there are any left) will not understand the smiley, and there
    are some who possibly may try your suggestion to their detriment.

    “I wanta narmy. Anna big castle wif pointy bits,” said the
    child. “Anna swored.”
    WHAT DO YOU SAY? prompted the Hogfather.
    “A big swored?” said the child, after a pause for deep cogitation.
    THAT’S RIGHT.
    [...]
    “You can’t give her that!” she screamed. “It’s not safe!”
    IT’S A SWORD, said the Hogfather. THEY’RE NOT MEANT TO BE SAFE.
    “She’s a child!” shouted Crumley.
    IT’S EDUCATIONAL.
    “What if she cuts herself?”
    THAT WILL BE AN IMPORTANT LESSON.
    -- Terry Prachett, Hogfather

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  • From Rusty@21:1/5 to Just Wondering on Fri Nov 8 12:55:39 2024
    On 11/7/2024 10:36 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
    On 11/7/2024 6:00 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:46:37 -0700, Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:

    On 11/7/2024 6:36 AM, knuttle wrote:
    I inherited my father in laws table saw.  It is a Sear and Roebuck 10" >>>> saw, knowing my father in law probably top of the line.   He purchased >>>> it about 1970, I got it some time in the late 1980's

    The original motor has "died" twice since I got it.  The first time I >>>> took it to a shop.  The guy dissembled it while I was there and found a >>>> lot of fine dust inside of the case, which he blew out with an air
    hose.
    He reassembled it and it ran perfectly until about a week ago.

    It "died" again about a week ago. But again I found it was full of
    dust,
    that interfered with a mechanical switch in the Capacitor start
    assembly.  Took it apart, blew the dust out and we are back in
    business.

    The point is that if you have an old motor that dies, don't run out and >>>> spend $200 or more for a new motor.

    With the old Sears motor there are four long bolts that go completely
    through the motor.  Removing these bolt allows the motor to be
    separated
    into four parts.  The end with the electrical connections, the Shaft
    with the electrical windings, the main body, and the opposite end.

    Using an air hose blow the dust from each part. Concentrating on the
    board with the electrical connection, as that has the switch that get
    block.  Reassemble as you took it apart.

    NOTE: the motor should be unplugged, and all parts that come out
    MUST go
    back in as they were founds. NO parts left over.

    Routinely blow the sawdust out of he motor and oil the bearings.  The >>>> oil points on my motor are covered by little rubber plugs.  I did not >>>> know what they were until the guy showed me the first time the motor
    "died"

    Just plug that motor into a 220V outlet.  The motor will spin twice as
    fast, and the centrifugal force will throw all that sawdust out.   :)

    Stop!  It's an induction motor, not DC.  It will *not* run at twice
    the speed, but it will try to get *four* time hotter than designed
    for.

    Joe Gwinn

    See that :) ?  That's a smiley face, it means I was joking.
    But maybe getting hotter would burn the sawdust out.   :)  :)

    Joe and Clare probably aren't much fun at parties. :)

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to Rusty on Fri Nov 8 18:32:50 2024
    On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 12:55:39 -0800, Rusty <noemail@nodomain.nil> wrote:

    On 11/7/2024 10:36 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
    On 11/7/2024 6:00 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 10:46:37 -0700, Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote:

    On 11/7/2024 6:36 AM, knuttle wrote:
    I inherited my father in laws table saw. It is a Sear and Roebuck 10" >>>>> saw, knowing my father in law probably top of the line. He purchased >>>>> it about 1970, I got it some time in the late 1980's

    The original motor has "died" twice since I got it. The first time I >>>>> took it to a shop. The guy dissembled it while I was there and found a >>>>> lot of fine dust inside of the case, which he blew out with an air
    hose.
    He reassembled it and it ran perfectly until about a week ago.

    It "died" again about a week ago. But again I found it was full of
    dust,
    that interfered with a mechanical switch in the Capacitor start
    assembly. Took it apart, blew the dust out and we are back in
    business.

    The point is that if you have an old motor that dies, don't run out and >>>>> spend $200 or more for a new motor.

    With the old Sears motor there are four long bolts that go completely >>>>> through the motor. Removing these bolt allows the motor to be
    separated
    into four parts. The end with the electrical connections, the Shaft >>>>> with the electrical windings, the main body, and the opposite end.

    Using an air hose blow the dust from each part. Concentrating on the >>>>> board with the electrical connection, as that has the switch that get >>>>> block. Reassemble as you took it apart.

    NOTE: the motor should be unplugged, and all parts that come out
    MUST go
    back in as they were founds. NO parts left over.

    Routinely blow the sawdust out of he motor and oil the bearings. The >>>>> oil points on my motor are covered by little rubber plugs. I did not >>>>> know what they were until the guy showed me the first time the motor >>>>> "died"

    Just plug that motor into a 220V outlet. The motor will spin twice as >>>> fast, and the centrifugal force will throw all that sawdust out. :)

    Stop! It's an induction motor, not DC. It will *not* run at twice
    the speed, but it will try to get *four* time hotter than designed
    for.

    Joe Gwinn

    See that :) ? That's a smiley face, it means I was joking.
    But maybe getting hotter would burn the sawdust out. :) :)

    Joe and Clare probably aren't much fun at parties. :)

    Probably not. I once discovered a miswired light fixture that could
    have electrocuted one of the host's children. I'm not sure that a
    smiley would have convinced that it was a joke.

    Joe

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