• Hollow Spots In Solid Wood Door Stile?

    From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 25 14:20:05 2021
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet
    is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    In any case, as I was removing the door, I barely tapped it on the floor
    and a large piece at the bottom of a stile cracked off. It must have been barely hanging on because I didn't hit anything with enough force to crack
    it like that.

    When I looked at the damage I was surprised to see that part of the stile
    had some hollow spots in it.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1

    Here's a close up:

    https://i.imgur.com/UyfhrLP.jpg

    Here's the piece that cracked off:

    https://i.imgur.com/ppZBtMN.jpg

    Here's a close up:

    https://i.imgur.com/DUG7arq.jpg

    I thought that maybe the stile was some kind of glued up
    piece, but it's not. It's a single piece of wood.

    https://i.imgur.com/Yx303Ng.jpg

    Don't you think that that's a strange hollow "pattern", especially
    the smoothness of the "crescents" on the piece that cracked off?

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Mon Oct 25 18:14:38 2021
    On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:20:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet >is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    In any case, as I was removing the door, I barely tapped it on the floor
    and a large piece at the bottom of a stile cracked off. It must have been >barely hanging on because I didn't hit anything with enough force to crack
    it like that.

    When I looked at the damage I was surprised to see that part of the stile
    had some hollow spots in it.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1

    Here's a close up:

    https://i.imgur.com/UyfhrLP.jpg

    Here's the piece that cracked off:

    https://i.imgur.com/ppZBtMN.jpg

    Here's a close up:

    https://i.imgur.com/DUG7arq.jpg

    I thought that maybe the stile was some kind of glued up
    piece, but it's not. It's a single piece of wood.

    https://i.imgur.com/Yx303Ng.jpg

    Don't you think that that's a strange hollow "pattern", especially
    the smoothness of the "crescents" on the piece that cracked off?



    It's a weird one.
    A drunken rookie went way too deep < forgot to set the stop >
    when starting to drill out the mortise ?
    Dunno.
    John T.

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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.ca on Mon Oct 25 20:41:29 2021
    On 10/25/2021 6:14 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:20:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet >> is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    In any case, as I was removing the door, I barely tapped it on the floor
    and a large piece at the bottom of a stile cracked off. It must have been
    barely hanging on because I didn't hit anything with enough force to crack >> it like that.

    When I looked at the damage I was surprised to see that part of the stile
    had some hollow spots in it.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1

    Here's a close up:

    https://i.imgur.com/UyfhrLP.jpg

    Here's the piece that cracked off:

    https://i.imgur.com/ppZBtMN.jpg

    Here's a close up:

    https://i.imgur.com/DUG7arq.jpg

    I thought that maybe the stile was some kind of glued up
    piece, but it's not. It's a single piece of wood.

    https://i.imgur.com/Yx303Ng.jpg

    Don't you think that that's a strange hollow "pattern", especially
    the smoothness of the "crescents" on the piece that cracked off?



    It's a weird one.
    A drunken rookie went way too deep < forgot to set the stop >
    when starting to drill out the mortise ?
    Dunno.
    John T.

    It could be the ends of the peg slots that holds the door together.

    When you shine a light into the holes what do you see. If it is pegs or "biscuits" slots you may be able to see the ends.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net on Tue Oct 26 06:37:33 2021
    On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 8:41:35 PM UTC-4, keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    On 10/25/2021 6:14 PM, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:20:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet
    is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    In any case, as I was removing the door, I barely tapped it on the floor >> and a large piece at the bottom of a stile cracked off. It must have been >> barely hanging on because I didn't hit anything with enough force to crack >> it like that.

    When I looked at the damage I was surprised to see that part of the stile >> had some hollow spots in it.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1

    Here's a close up:

    https://i.imgur.com/UyfhrLP.jpg

    Here's the piece that cracked off:

    https://i.imgur.com/ppZBtMN.jpg

    Here's a close up:

    https://i.imgur.com/DUG7arq.jpg

    I thought that maybe the stile was some kind of glued up
    piece, but it's not. It's a single piece of wood.

    https://i.imgur.com/Yx303Ng.jpg

    Don't you think that that's a strange hollow "pattern", especially
    the smoothness of the "crescents" on the piece that cracked off?



    It's a weird one.
    A drunken rookie went way too deep < forgot to set the stop >
    when starting to drill out the mortise ?
    Dunno.
    John T.

    It could be the ends of the peg slots that holds the door together.

    When you shine a light into the holes what do you see. If it is pegs or "biscuits" slots you may be able to see the ends.

    I don't recall that I saw anything in the holes. Too late now...it's all glued back together and rehung.

    This is the closet, just for reference. 7' deep and no light until this weekend.
    You almost stumble walking back to the right rear corner due to the settling. It's down over 3" from front left corner to the right rear corner. Old houses are such a joy to work on.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 26 10:54:19 2021
    On 10/25/2021 5:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1

    That does seem odd, perhaps it was a mistake at the mill? I wonder if
    they just said "close enough", or if maybe there was a market for
    "seconds" back then?

    That does look like a popular style 30's era door, it may have always
    been there, even if the closet was something else. Perhaps the door was recycled from somewhere else in the house. It must be a pre-50's door
    either way.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Tue Oct 26 11:43:52 2021
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:54:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 10/25/2021 5:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1
    That does seem odd, perhaps it was a mistake at the mill? I wonder if
    they just said "close enough", or if maybe there was a market for
    "seconds" back then?

    Even if there was a market for seconds, there was no way for any buyer
    to know that it was a second because all of the "hollow" was hidden
    inside the stile. Only the most obsessively honest of a person would
    have divulged that there were hollow spots inside the stile.

    It never would have been discovered if that edge hadn't have cracked off.


    That does look like a popular style 30's era door, it may have always
    been there, even if the closet was something else. Perhaps the door was recycled from somewhere else in the house. It must be a pre-50's door
    either way.

    Here's the closet. We have no idea when it was built.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

    The back of the house is shown below.
    The door on the right is for a shed.
    The closet is right where the gray bins are.
    To the left of that is a pantry/walkway to the kitchen.
    To the left of the entry door is a powder room.

    All of that is above a crawl space, which I why I believe that it may
    have been a back porch at some time in the past.

    https://i.imgur.com/NO8ePFp.jpg

    BTW...over the last few weekends, my daughter, her boyfriend and I
    installed the picket fence so her dog could have a safe place to play.

    https://i.imgur.com/9eNiUI7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    It's a very simple system, unless you modify the heck out of it like we did. ;-)

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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 26 16:08:18 2021
    On 10/26/2021 2:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:54:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 10/25/2021 5:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet >>> is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1
    That does seem odd, perhaps it was a mistake at the mill? I wonder if
    they just said "close enough", or if maybe there was a market for
    "seconds" back then?

    Even if there was a market for seconds, there was no way for any buyer
    to know that it was a second because all of the "hollow" was hidden
    inside the stile. Only the most obsessively honest of a person would
    have divulged that there were hollow spots inside the stile.

    It never would have been discovered if that edge hadn't have cracked off.


    That does look like a popular style 30's era door, it may have always
    been there, even if the closet was something else. Perhaps the door was
    recycled from somewhere else in the house. It must be a pre-50's door
    either way.

    Here's the closet. We have no idea when it was built.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

    The back of the house is shown below.
    The door on the right is for a shed.
    The closet is right where the gray bins are.
    To the left of that is a pantry/walkway to the kitchen.
    To the left of the entry door is a powder room.

    All of that is above a crawl space, which I why I believe that it may
    have been a back porch at some time in the past.

    https://i.imgur.com/NO8ePFp.jpg

    BTW...over the last few weekends, my daughter, her boyfriend and I
    installed the picket fence so her dog could have a safe place to play.

    https://i.imgur.com/9eNiUI7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    It's a very simple system, unless you modify the heck out of it like we did. ;-)

    Your daughter has a very well trained dog, or a quite small dog.

    Many years ago there was a pretty lab that would come over and visit my
    wife while she had coffee on the back deck. This went on for a long
    time. One day we went to a neighbor's garage sale, and my Wife
    recognized the lab in the short fence and said she enjoy him coming over
    when she had coffee. The lady was sure it was not her dog, as she put
    him in the fenced yard before work and he was still there when she got
    home. We let her live with her illusions.

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Tue Oct 26 16:46:38 2021
    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 11:43:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:54:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 10/25/2021 5:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet
    is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1
    That does seem odd, perhaps it was a mistake at the mill? I wonder if
    they just said "close enough", or if maybe there was a market for
    "seconds" back then?

    Even if there was a market for seconds, there was no way for any buyer
    to know that it was a second because all of the "hollow" was hidden
    inside the stile. Only the most obsessively honest of a person would
    have divulged that there were hollow spots inside the stile.

    It never would have been discovered if that edge hadn't have cracked off.


    That does look like a popular style 30's era door, it may have always
    been there, even if the closet was something else. Perhaps the door was
    recycled from somewhere else in the house. It must be a pre-50's door
    either way.

    Here's the closet. We have no idea when it was built.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

    The back of the house is shown below.
    The door on the right is for a shed.
    The closet is right where the gray bins are.
    To the left of that is a pantry/walkway to the kitchen.
    To the left of the entry door is a powder room.

    All of that is above a crawl space, which I why I believe that it may
    have been a back porch at some time in the past.

    https://i.imgur.com/NO8ePFp.jpg

    BTW...over the last few weekends, my daughter, her boyfriend and I
    installed the picket fence so her dog could have a safe place to play.

    https://i.imgur.com/9eNiUI7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    It's a very simple system, unless you modify the heck out of it like we did. ;-)
    The door is assembled using aortice and tennon typoe joint, which
    requires milling slots into the styles - and if they are milkled a
    little longer than optimal they will leave a "cavity" in the door. If
    the door was 'repurposed" at some point in it's life by cutting the
    styles down a bit to narrow the door, these cavities get closer to the
    edge of the door

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net on Tue Oct 26 13:50:52 2021
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 4:08:24 PM UTC-4, keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    On 10/26/2021 2:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:54:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 10/25/2021 5:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet
    is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1
    That does seem odd, perhaps it was a mistake at the mill? I wonder if
    they just said "close enough", or if maybe there was a market for
    "seconds" back then?

    Even if there was a market for seconds, there was no way for any buyer
    to know that it was a second because all of the "hollow" was hidden
    inside the stile. Only the most obsessively honest of a person would
    have divulged that there were hollow spots inside the stile.

    It never would have been discovered if that edge hadn't have cracked off.


    That does look like a popular style 30's era door, it may have always
    been there, even if the closet was something else. Perhaps the door was
    recycled from somewhere else in the house. It must be a pre-50's door
    either way.

    Here's the closet. We have no idea when it was built.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

    The back of the house is shown below.
    The door on the right is for a shed.
    The closet is right where the gray bins are.
    To the left of that is a pantry/walkway to the kitchen.
    To the left of the entry door is a powder room.

    All of that is above a crawl space, which I why I believe that it may
    have been a back porch at some time in the past.

    https://i.imgur.com/NO8ePFp.jpg

    BTW...over the last few weekends, my daughter, her boyfriend and I installed the picket fence so her dog could have a safe place to play.

    https://i.imgur.com/9eNiUI7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    It's a very simple system, unless you modify the heck out of it like we did. ;-)

    Your daughter has a very well trained dog, or a quite small dog.

    Many years ago there was a pretty lab that would come over and visit my
    wife while she had coffee on the back deck. This went on for a long
    time. One day we went to a neighbor's garage sale, and my Wife
    recognized the lab in the short fence and said she enjoy him coming over
    when she had coffee. The lady was sure it was not her dog, as she put
    him in the fenced yard before work and he was still there when she got
    home. We let her live with her illusions.

    French Bulldog, so not so big.

    We were concerned with him going *under* the fence as opposed to over it. That's where some of the modifications came in.

    If you look at the far side in this image, you'll notice that some of the bottom
    rails are lower than others. That was to make sure that he couldn't sneak under where the ground dipped downwards. However, all of the upper rails and the tops of the pickets are even. The sections with the lowest bottom rails have full size
    pickets. For any section where the bottom rail is higher than the lowest, we trimmed the pickets so that the tops were level. I trimmed 120 pickets. Each (unmodified) section has 12 pickets and I could cut 4 at a time so it wasn't that bad.

    https://i.imgur.com/Dhc8LoH.jpg

    The other modifications were the lengths of the sections. Unless you count the pickets, I don't think you can tell the difference, but not all of the sections on the
    side with the open gate are the same length.

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    In order to get the posts to land where we wanted, we had to shorten some sections.
    The 2 sections in front of the umbrella are missing one center picket and the 3 that
    lead up to the gate are missing 2. Our other option was to use two full sections and
    one ~3' section which would have really stood out. By shortening all three sections
    to the same length, and leaving out the shortest pickets, the eye doesn't notice the
    difference - unless it's pointed out. ;-)

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Tue Oct 26 13:51:09 2021
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 4:46:42 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 11:43:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:54:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 10/25/2021 5:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet
    is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1
    That does seem odd, perhaps it was a mistake at the mill? I wonder if
    they just said "close enough", or if maybe there was a market for
    "seconds" back then?

    Even if there was a market for seconds, there was no way for any buyer
    to know that it was a second because all of the "hollow" was hidden
    inside the stile. Only the most obsessively honest of a person would
    have divulged that there were hollow spots inside the stile.

    It never would have been discovered if that edge hadn't have cracked off.


    That does look like a popular style 30's era door, it may have always
    been there, even if the closet was something else. Perhaps the door was
    recycled from somewhere else in the house. It must be a pre-50's door
    either way.

    Here's the closet. We have no idea when it was built.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

    The back of the house is shown below.
    The door on the right is for a shed.
    The closet is right where the gray bins are.
    To the left of that is a pantry/walkway to the kitchen.
    To the left of the entry door is a powder room.

    All of that is above a crawl space, which I why I believe that it may
    have been a back porch at some time in the past.

    https://i.imgur.com/NO8ePFp.jpg

    BTW...over the last few weekends, my daughter, her boyfriend and I >installed the picket fence so her dog could have a safe place to play.

    https://i.imgur.com/9eNiUI7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    It's a very simple system, unless you modify the heck out of it like we did. ;-)
    The door is assembled using aortice and tennon typoe joint, which
    requires milling slots into the styles - and if they are milkled a
    little longer than optimal they will leave a "cavity" in the door. If
    the door was 'repurposed" at some point in it's life by cutting the
    styles down a bit to narrow the door, these cavities get closer to the
    edge of the door

    Makes sense.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 26 15:51:54 2021
    On 10/25/2021 4:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    In any case, as I was removing the door, I barely tapped it on the floor
    and a large piece at the bottom of a stile cracked off. It must have been barely hanging on because I didn't hit anything with enough force to crack
    it like that.

    When I looked at the damage I was surprised to see that part of the stile
    had some hollow spots in it.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1

    Here's a close up:

    https://i.imgur.com/UyfhrLP.jpg

    Here's the piece that cracked off:

    https://i.imgur.com/ppZBtMN.jpg

    Here's a close up:

    https://i.imgur.com/DUG7arq.jpg

    I thought that maybe the stile was some kind of glued up
    piece, but it's not. It's a single piece of wood.

    https://i.imgur.com/Yx303Ng.jpg

    Don't you think that that's a strange hollow "pattern", especially
    the smoothness of the "crescents" on the piece that cracked off?


    Mortise holes. If they were perfect some one would have paid way too
    much for that door.
    X`Rays on old furniture show voids in mortises and my furniture, which I
    build, has voids in it's mortises.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net on Tue Oct 26 17:22:15 2021
    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 16:08:18 -0400, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


    On 10/26/2021 2:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:54:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 10/25/2021 5:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet
    is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1
    That does seem odd, perhaps it was a mistake at the mill? I wonder if
    they just said "close enough", or if maybe there was a market for
    "seconds" back then?

    Even if there was a market for seconds, there was no way for any buyer
    to know that it was a second because all of the "hollow" was hidden
    inside the stile. Only the most obsessively honest of a person would
    have divulged that there were hollow spots inside the stile.

    It never would have been discovered if that edge hadn't have cracked off.


    That does look like a popular style 30's era door, it may have always
    been there, even if the closet was something else. Perhaps the door was
    recycled from somewhere else in the house. It must be a pre-50's door
    either way.

    Here's the closet. We have no idea when it was built.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

    The back of the house is shown below.
    The door on the right is for a shed.
    The closet is right where the gray bins are.
    To the left of that is a pantry/walkway to the kitchen.
    To the left of the entry door is a powder room.

    All of that is above a crawl space, which I why I believe that it may
    have been a back porch at some time in the past.

    https://i.imgur.com/NO8ePFp.jpg

    BTW...over the last few weekends, my daughter, her boyfriend and I
    installed the picket fence so her dog could have a safe place to play.

    https://i.imgur.com/9eNiUI7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    It's a very simple system, unless you modify the heck out of it like we did. ;-)

    Your daughter has a very well trained dog, or a quite small dog.

    Many years ago there was a pretty lab that would come over and visit my
    wife while she had coffee on the back deck. This went on for a long
    time. One day we went to a neighbor's garage sale, and my Wife
    recognized the lab in the short fence and said she enjoy him coming over
    when she had coffee. The lady was sure it was not her dog, as she put
    him in the fenced yard before work and he was still there when she got
    home. We let her live with her illusions.

    Many of our neighbours have the in ground invisible fencing -
    it apparently works very well ..
    John T.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Tue Oct 26 17:28:35 2021
    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:51:09 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 4:46:42 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 11:43:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:54:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 10/25/2021 5:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet
    is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder
    room.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1
    That does seem odd, perhaps it was a mistake at the mill? I wonder if
    they just said "close enough", or if maybe there was a market for
    "seconds" back then?

    Even if there was a market for seconds, there was no way for any buyer
    to know that it was a second because all of the "hollow" was hidden
    inside the stile. Only the most obsessively honest of a person would
    have divulged that there were hollow spots inside the stile.

    It never would have been discovered if that edge hadn't have cracked off. >> >

    That does look like a popular style 30's era door, it may have always
    been there, even if the closet was something else. Perhaps the door was >> >> recycled from somewhere else in the house. It must be a pre-50's door
    either way.

    Here's the closet. We have no idea when it was built.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

    The back of the house is shown below.
    The door on the right is for a shed.
    The closet is right where the gray bins are.
    To the left of that is a pantry/walkway to the kitchen.
    To the left of the entry door is a powder room.

    All of that is above a crawl space, which I why I believe that it may
    have been a back porch at some time in the past.

    https://i.imgur.com/NO8ePFp.jpg

    BTW...over the last few weekends, my daughter, her boyfriend and I
    installed the picket fence so her dog could have a safe place to play.

    https://i.imgur.com/9eNiUI7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    It's a very simple system, unless you modify the heck out of it like we did. ;-)
    The door is assembled using aortice and tennon typoe joint, which
    requires milling slots into the styles - and if they are milkled a
    little longer than optimal they will leave a "cavity" in the door. If
    the door was 'repurposed" at some point in it's life by cutting the
    styles down a bit to narrow the door, these cavities get closer to the
    edge of the door

    Makes sense.

    Yep - I like that one - Clare gets a Gold Star !
    John T.

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  • From J. Clarke@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.ca on Tue Oct 26 19:06:39 2021
    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:22:15 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 16:08:18 -0400, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


    On 10/26/2021 2:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:54:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 10/25/2021 5:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet
    is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder >>>>> room.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1
    That does seem odd, perhaps it was a mistake at the mill? I wonder if
    they just said "close enough", or if maybe there was a market for
    "seconds" back then?

    Even if there was a market for seconds, there was no way for any buyer
    to know that it was a second because all of the "hollow" was hidden
    inside the stile. Only the most obsessively honest of a person would
    have divulged that there were hollow spots inside the stile.

    It never would have been discovered if that edge hadn't have cracked off. >>>

    That does look like a popular style 30's era door, it may have always
    been there, even if the closet was something else. Perhaps the door was >>>> recycled from somewhere else in the house. It must be a pre-50's door
    either way.

    Here's the closet. We have no idea when it was built.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

    The back of the house is shown below.
    The door on the right is for a shed.
    The closet is right where the gray bins are.
    To the left of that is a pantry/walkway to the kitchen.
    To the left of the entry door is a powder room.

    All of that is above a crawl space, which I why I believe that it may
    have been a back porch at some time in the past.

    https://i.imgur.com/NO8ePFp.jpg

    BTW...over the last few weekends, my daughter, her boyfriend and I
    installed the picket fence so her dog could have a safe place to play.

    https://i.imgur.com/9eNiUI7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    It's a very simple system, unless you modify the heck out of it like we did. ;-)

    Your daughter has a very well trained dog, or a quite small dog.

    Many years ago there was a pretty lab that would come over and visit my >>wife while she had coffee on the back deck. This went on for a long >>time. One day we went to a neighbor's garage sale, and my Wife
    recognized the lab in the short fence and said she enjoy him coming over >>when she had coffee. The lady was sure it was not her dog, as she put
    him in the fenced yard before work and he was still there when she got >>home. We let her live with her illusions.

    Many of our neighbours have the in ground invisible fencing -
    it apparently works very well ..
    John T.

    May keep the dog in, but it won't keep the coyotes out. Not sure how
    a cat would react, likely find a way to break it.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to jclarke.873638@gmail.com on Tue Oct 26 18:11:33 2021
    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:06:39 -0400, J. Clarke
    <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:22:15 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 16:08:18 -0400, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


    On 10/26/2021 2:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:54:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote: >>>>> On 10/25/2021 5:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house. >>>>>> The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet
    is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder >>>>>> room.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1
    That does seem odd, perhaps it was a mistake at the mill? I wonder if >>>>> they just said "close enough", or if maybe there was a market for
    "seconds" back then?

    Even if there was a market for seconds, there was no way for any buyer >>>> to know that it was a second because all of the "hollow" was hidden
    inside the stile. Only the most obsessively honest of a person would
    have divulged that there were hollow spots inside the stile.

    It never would have been discovered if that edge hadn't have cracked off. >>>>

    That does look like a popular style 30's era door, it may have always >>>>> been there, even if the closet was something else. Perhaps the door was >>>>> recycled from somewhere else in the house. It must be a pre-50's door >>>>> either way.

    Here's the closet. We have no idea when it was built.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

    The back of the house is shown below.
    The door on the right is for a shed.
    The closet is right where the gray bins are.
    To the left of that is a pantry/walkway to the kitchen.
    To the left of the entry door is a powder room.

    All of that is above a crawl space, which I why I believe that it may
    have been a back porch at some time in the past.

    https://i.imgur.com/NO8ePFp.jpg

    BTW...over the last few weekends, my daughter, her boyfriend and I
    installed the picket fence so her dog could have a safe place to play. >>>>
    https://i.imgur.com/9eNiUI7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    It's a very simple system, unless you modify the heck out of it like we did. ;-)

    Your daughter has a very well trained dog, or a quite small dog.

    Many years ago there was a pretty lab that would come over and visit my >>>wife while she had coffee on the back deck. This went on for a long >>>time. One day we went to a neighbor's garage sale, and my Wife >>>recognized the lab in the short fence and said she enjoy him coming over >>>when she had coffee. The lady was sure it was not her dog, as she put >>>him in the fenced yard before work and he was still there when she got >>>home. We let her live with her illusions.

    Many of our neighbours have the in ground invisible fencing -
    it apparently works very well ..
    John T.

    May keep the dog in, but it won't keep the coyotes out. Not sure how
    a cat would react, likely find a way to break it.

    Not a fan of them, electric shock is not a postive reinforcement.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 26 19:38:55 2021

    Many of our neighbours have the in ground invisible fencing -
    it apparently works very well ..
    John T.

    May keep the dog in, but it won't keep the coyotes out. Not sure how
    a cat would react, likely find a way to break it.


    L O L ...
    John T.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to jclarke.873638@gmail.com on Tue Oct 26 21:03:10 2021
    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:06:39 -0400, J. Clarke
    <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:22:15 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 16:08:18 -0400, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


    On 10/26/2021 2:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:54:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote: >>>>> On 10/25/2021 5:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house. >>>>>> The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet
    is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder >>>>>> room.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1
    That does seem odd, perhaps it was a mistake at the mill? I wonder if >>>>> they just said "close enough", or if maybe there was a market for
    "seconds" back then?

    Even if there was a market for seconds, there was no way for any buyer >>>> to know that it was a second because all of the "hollow" was hidden
    inside the stile. Only the most obsessively honest of a person would
    have divulged that there were hollow spots inside the stile.

    It never would have been discovered if that edge hadn't have cracked off. >>>>

    That does look like a popular style 30's era door, it may have always >>>>> been there, even if the closet was something else. Perhaps the door was >>>>> recycled from somewhere else in the house. It must be a pre-50's door >>>>> either way.

    Here's the closet. We have no idea when it was built.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

    The back of the house is shown below.
    The door on the right is for a shed.
    The closet is right where the gray bins are.
    To the left of that is a pantry/walkway to the kitchen.
    To the left of the entry door is a powder room.

    All of that is above a crawl space, which I why I believe that it may
    have been a back porch at some time in the past.

    https://i.imgur.com/NO8ePFp.jpg

    BTW...over the last few weekends, my daughter, her boyfriend and I
    installed the picket fence so her dog could have a safe place to play. >>>>
    https://i.imgur.com/9eNiUI7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    It's a very simple system, unless you modify the heck out of it like we did. ;-)

    Your daughter has a very well trained dog, or a quite small dog.

    Many years ago there was a pretty lab that would come over and visit my >>>wife while she had coffee on the back deck. This went on for a long >>>time. One day we went to a neighbor's garage sale, and my Wife >>>recognized the lab in the short fence and said she enjoy him coming over >>>when she had coffee. The lady was sure it was not her dog, as she put >>>him in the fenced yard before work and he was still there when she got >>>home. We let her live with her illusions.

    Many of our neighbours have the in ground invisible fencing -
    it apparently works very well ..
    John T.

    May keep the dog in, but it won't keep the coyotes out. Not sure how
    a cat would react, likely find a way to break it.

    If you want to keep coyotes out, get a pair of llamas. My cousin has a
    couple to protect their sheep. Works great. Coyotes will give them a
    wide berth. ...or you could get a wabbit.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.ca on Tue Oct 26 20:44:21 2021
    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:22:15 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

    On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 16:08:18 -0400, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


    On 10/26/2021 2:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:54:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 10/25/2021 5:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I removed the door from a closet in my daughter's 1930's era house.
    The door is old but I don't think it's original. I'm pretty sure the closet
    is part of an enclosed back porch that became a closet/pantry/powder >>>>> room.

    Here's the door:

    https://i.imgur.com/RjFUIki.jpg?1
    That does seem odd, perhaps it was a mistake at the mill? I wonder if
    they just said "close enough", or if maybe there was a market for
    "seconds" back then?

    Even if there was a market for seconds, there was no way for any buyer
    to know that it was a second because all of the "hollow" was hidden
    inside the stile. Only the most obsessively honest of a person would
    have divulged that there were hollow spots inside the stile.

    It never would have been discovered if that edge hadn't have cracked off. >>>

    That does look like a popular style 30's era door, it may have always
    been there, even if the closet was something else. Perhaps the door was >>>> recycled from somewhere else in the house. It must be a pre-50's door
    either way.

    Here's the closet. We have no idea when it was built.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

    The back of the house is shown below.
    The door on the right is for a shed.
    The closet is right where the gray bins are.
    To the left of that is a pantry/walkway to the kitchen.
    To the left of the entry door is a powder room.

    All of that is above a crawl space, which I why I believe that it may
    have been a back porch at some time in the past.

    https://i.imgur.com/NO8ePFp.jpg

    BTW...over the last few weekends, my daughter, her boyfriend and I
    installed the picket fence so her dog could have a safe place to play.

    https://i.imgur.com/9eNiUI7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    It's a very simple system, unless you modify the heck out of it like we did. ;-)

    Your daughter has a very well trained dog, or a quite small dog.

    Many years ago there was a pretty lab that would come over and visit my >>wife while she had coffee on the back deck. This went on for a long >>time. One day we went to a neighbor's garage sale, and my Wife
    recognized the lab in the short fence and said she enjoy him coming over >>when she had coffee. The lady was sure it was not her dog, as she put
    him in the fenced yard before work and he was still there when she got >>home. We let her live with her illusions.

    Many of our neighbours have the in ground invisible fencing -
    it apparently works very well ..
    John T.

    When we lived in VT the neighbor had an "invisible fence". His lab
    figured out how to defeat it. Twice. He would go up to the "fence"
    until his collar started beeping (warning that he was about to be
    zapped) and laid down until the beeping stopped (battery ran down)
    then took off like a bullet. I don't remember the fix for that but
    his next trick was to run as fast as he could across the fence. He'd
    get zapped but he'd be gone before he got hurt too bad. When he did
    this, of course, he never came back on his own.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 27 12:51:31 2021
    On 10/26/2021 2:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    Here's the closet. We have no idea when it was built.

    https://i.imgur.com/J7jMPBF.jpg?1

    The back of the house is shown below.
    The door on the right is for a shed.
    The closet is right where the gray bins are.
    To the left of that is a pantry/walkway to the kitchen.
    To the left of the entry door is a powder room.

    All of that is above a crawl space, which I why I believe that it may
    have been a back porch at some time in the past.

    https://i.imgur.com/NO8ePFp.jpg

    BTW...over the last few weekends, my daughter, her boyfriend and I
    installed the picket fence so her dog could have a safe place to play.

    https://i.imgur.com/9eNiUI7.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/hPLOaUx.jpg

    It's a very simple system, unless you modify the heck out of it like we did. ;-)

    The shed is a very clear add-on... hard to say about the closet/porch
    area, but likely an old enclosed porch like you said.

    The fence looks very nice!

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 27 12:53:07 2021
    On 10/26/2021 4:50 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 4:08:24 PM UTC-4, keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    Your daughter has a very well trained dog, or a quite small dog.

    Many years ago there was a pretty lab that would come over and visit my
    wife while she had coffee on the back deck. This went on for a long
    time. One day we went to a neighbor's garage sale, and my Wife
    recognized the lab in the short fence and said she enjoy him coming over
    when she had coffee. The lady was sure it was not her dog, as she put
    him in the fenced yard before work and he was still there when she got
    home. We let her live with her illusions.

    French Bulldog, so not so big.

    We were concerned with him going *under* the fence as opposed to over it. That's where some of the modifications came in.

    Hopefully he's not a digger!

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Wed Oct 27 13:07:47 2021
    On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 12:53:06 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 10/26/2021 4:50 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 4:08:24 PM UTC-4, keith_...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    Your daughter has a very well trained dog, or a quite small dog.

    Many years ago there was a pretty lab that would come over and visit my
    wife while she had coffee on the back deck. This went on for a long
    time. One day we went to a neighbor's garage sale, and my Wife
    recognized the lab in the short fence and said she enjoy him coming over >> when she had coffee. The lady was sure it was not her dog, as she put
    him in the fenced yard before work and he was still there when she got
    home. We let her live with her illusions.

    French Bulldog, so not so big.

    We were concerned with him going *under* the fence as opposed to over it. That's where some of the modifications came in.
    Hopefully he's not a digger!

    He hasn't been a digger yet, but he's only 8 months old and hasn't had free run of a fenced in
    yard either. There is no expectation that he will be left out alone for any extended period
    of time. i.e. No plans to leave him out when my daughter goes to work, shopping etc.

    At least that's the plan. She was part of the planning and helped out on the install, so any
    issues are on her.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Wed Oct 27 16:53:27 2021
    On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 13:07:47 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 12:53:06 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 10/26/2021 4:50 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 4:08:24 PM UTC-4, keith_...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    Your daughter has a very well trained dog, or a quite small dog.

    Many years ago there was a pretty lab that would come over and visit my >> >> wife while she had coffee on the back deck. This went on for a long
    time. One day we went to a neighbor's garage sale, and my Wife
    recognized the lab in the short fence and said she enjoy him coming over >> >> when she had coffee. The lady was sure it was not her dog, as she put
    him in the fenced yard before work and he was still there when she got
    home. We let her live with her illusions.

    French Bulldog, so not so big.

    We were concerned with him going *under* the fence as opposed to over it. >> > That's where some of the modifications came in.
    Hopefully he's not a digger!

    He hasn't been a digger yet, but he's only 8 months old and hasn't had free run of a fenced in
    yard either. There is no expectation that he will be left out alone for any extended period
    of time. i.e. No plans to leave him out when my daughter goes to work, shopping etc.

    At least that's the plan. She was part of the planning and helped out on the install, so any
    issues are on her.

    If they decide to tie it up - forget those crappy spiral ground
    anchors - these ones are A-1 :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/garden/planting/stakes/10457-screw-in-stake?item=ST101

    John T.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.ca on Wed Oct 27 16:54:23 2021
    On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 4:52:10 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 13:07:47 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 12:53:06 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 10/26/2021 4:50 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 4:08:24 PM UTC-4, keith_...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    Your daughter has a very well trained dog, or a quite small dog.

    Many years ago there was a pretty lab that would come over and visit my >> >> wife while she had coffee on the back deck. This went on for a long
    time. One day we went to a neighbor's garage sale, and my Wife
    recognized the lab in the short fence and said she enjoy him coming over
    when she had coffee. The lady was sure it was not her dog, as she put >> >> him in the fenced yard before work and he was still there when she got >> >> home. We let her live with her illusions.

    French Bulldog, so not so big.

    We were concerned with him going *under* the fence as opposed to over it.
    That's where some of the modifications came in.
    Hopefully he's not a digger!

    He hasn't been a digger yet, but he's only 8 months old and hasn't had free run of a fenced in
    yard either. There is no expectation that he will be left out alone for any extended period
    of time. i.e. No plans to leave him out when my daughter goes to work, shopping etc.

    At least that's the plan. She was part of the planning and helped out on the install, so any
    issues are on her.
    If they decide to tie it up - forget those crappy spiral ground
    anchors - these ones are A-1 :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/garden/planting/stakes/10457-screw-in-stake?item=ST101

    John T.

    We've been using 2 of the "crappy" spiral version for 20+ years. No tools required. Screw it in
    by hand, take it out and move it whenever you want, by hand. Granted, small dogs always, but
    we haven't lost one yet.

    Oh, yeah...and then there's this: "Item No Longer Available."

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