• Thin Strips

    From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 10 14:20:26 2023
    1/8" thin strips that are about 1/4 thick/tall.

    There is what I am going to use for the rail and stiles of the door and
    drawer fronts for our kitchen redo.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52807026517/in/datetaken/

    100 linear feet of 1x8 s4s walnut with 2, 1/8" wide white oak pinstripes inlaid.


    I have the jig that sets the width of the thin rip to the left side of
    the blade, the kind that you readjust the rip fence with every pass and
    hope for a consistent result.

    There are numerous jigs out there but I also need to cut this strips up
    to 42" long.

    So this guy has come up with an elegant solution that puts the thin
    strip between the fixed object on the right side of the blade. So no
    moving the fence with every pass. This method is not unique but with
    90% of these type jigs you are kinda limited to short strips. The jig
    in the video seems to have all the bases covered regardless of how thing
    the strips need to be and the fence never moves. And he does this on a
    tiny Shop Smith TS.

    This is the best jig I have seen for this purpose.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Rt3IkcW08&t=24s

    Now a question, I will be cutting approximately 72, 8' long thin strips
    1/8" wide.

    This is what I am going for.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52807026517/in/datetaken/

    Band Saw or TS? I will for certain cut the 1/8" x 3/4" strips down to
    3, 3/16" tall pieces on the BS.

    Wood Glue? or Super Glue?

    Thoughts?

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Mon Apr 10 15:03:55 2023
    On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:20:35 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    1/8" thin strips that are about 1/4 thick/tall.

    There is what I am going to use for the rail and stiles of the door and drawer fronts for our kitchen redo.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52807026517/in/datetaken/

    100 linear feet of 1x8 s4s walnut with 2, 1/8" wide white oak pinstripes inlaid.


    I have the jig that sets the width of the thin rip to the left side of
    the blade, the kind that you readjust the rip fence with every pass and
    hope for a consistent result.

    There are numerous jigs out there but I also need to cut this strips up
    to 42" long.

    So this guy has come up with an elegant solution that puts the thin
    strip between the fixed object on the right side of the blade. So no
    moving the fence with every pass. This method is not unique but with
    90% of these type jigs you are kinda limited to short strips. The jig
    in the video seems to have all the bases covered regardless of how thing
    the strips need to be and the fence never moves. And he does this on a
    tiny Shop Smith TS.

    This is the best jig I have seen for this purpose.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Rt3IkcW08&t=24s

    Now a question, I will be cutting approximately 72, 8' long thin strips
    1/8" wide.

    This is what I am going for.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52807026517/in/datetaken/

    Band Saw or TS? I will for certain cut the 1/8" x 3/4" strips down to
    3, 3/16" tall pieces on the BS.

    Wood Glue? or Super Glue?

    Thoughts?

    If the longest strips you need are 42”, why do you say you need
    to cut 8’ strips?

    I like the jig in the video although the flipping of the stop, the
    resetting of the jig after each cut, etc. looks a little clumsy. I
    guess if you get rhythm going, it might not be so bad.

    Have you considered a Grr-Ripper (or 2) with the 1/8” leg? Certainly
    not as inexpensive as that homemade jig, but it should get the job
    done without the “resetting” after each pass. Plus, after you’re
    done, you’ll have a Grr-Ripper (or 2) ;-)

    https://youtu.be/v_RdyX2rd40

    Unrelated (sort of) but I’m curious about his comment about the use
    of the riving knife. Is a 1/4” strip on the inside of the blade really going to cause kickback if the board “closes up”? Somehow it just doesn’t
    seem like the pressure would be enough.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 10 18:07:51 2023
    On 4/10/2023 5:03 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:20:35 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    1/8" thin strips that are about 1/4 thick/tall.

    There is what I am going to use for the rail and stiles of the door and
    drawer fronts for our kitchen redo.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52807026517/in/datetaken/

    100 linear feet of 1x8 s4s walnut with 2, 1/8" wide white oak pinstripes
    inlaid.


    I have the jig that sets the width of the thin rip to the left side of
    the blade, the kind that you readjust the rip fence with every pass and
    hope for a consistent result.

    There are numerous jigs out there but I also need to cut this strips up
    to 42" long.

    So this guy has come up with an elegant solution that puts the thin
    strip between the fixed object on the right side of the blade. So no
    moving the fence with every pass. This method is not unique but with
    90% of these type jigs you are kinda limited to short strips. The jig
    in the video seems to have all the bases covered regardless of how thing
    the strips need to be and the fence never moves. And he does this on a
    tiny Shop Smith TS.

    This is the best jig I have seen for this purpose.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Rt3IkcW08&t=24s

    Now a question, I will be cutting approximately 72, 8' long thin strips
    1/8" wide.

    This is what I am going for.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52807026517/in/datetaken/

    Band Saw or TS? I will for certain cut the 1/8" x 3/4" strips down to
    3, 3/16" tall pieces on the BS.

    Wood Glue? or Super Glue?

    Thoughts?

    If the longest strips you need are 42”, why do you say you need
    to cut 8’ strips?

    I have 158 pieces that need to receive 2 pinstripe pieces. The longer
    the pinstripe piece the more pieces I can get our of an 8' pieces vs. 2,
    4' pieces. Some pieces are less than 4" long.

    I may rethink that.

    The plan is to work with 2'~5' pieces and glue them in place and then
    cut to length. I need to over size the cuts on the walnut so that the pinstripes stick out each end. I don't want to have to cut the
    pinstripes to exact length before gluing them in.



    I like the jig in the video although the flipping of the stop, the
    resetting of the jig after each cut, etc. looks a little clumsy. I
    guess if you get rhythm going, it might not be so bad.

    I think better than repositioning the rip fence every time.




    Have you considered a Grr-Ripper (or 2) with the 1/8” leg? Certainly
    not as inexpensive as that homemade jig, but it should get the job
    done without the “resetting” after each pass. Plus, after you’re
    done, you’ll have a Grr-Ripper (or 2) ;-)

    Yes I have 2 and for many many years, but they do not insure that the
    thin pieces will not get battered by the blade, the fence not letting
    the piece be free. With the jig there is room for the strip to be in
    open space after being cut until the very end of the cut and not
    possibly being scorched by the blade. The gripper is good but I have
    had issues with them when needing to do thin material. I need to cut a
    bunch.
    Resetting is simply a matter of pulling the jig back, similar to pulling
    a miter gauge back after each cut and then flipping the arm back down.
    This jig actually feeds the work through with a solid stop when you get
    to the end, most other jigs do not.


    https://youtu.be/v_RdyX2rd40

    Unrelated (sort of) but I’m curious about his comment about the use
    of the riving knife. Is a 1/4” strip on the inside of the blade really going
    to cause kickback if the board “closes up”? Somehow it just doesn’t seem like the pressure would be enough.

    Yeah I missed that part.

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  • From Bob Davis@21:1/5 to Leon on Mon Apr 10 15:42:27 2023
    On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 2:20:35 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    1/8" thin strips that are about 1/4 thick/tall.

    There is what I am going to use for the rail and stiles of the door and drawer fronts for our kitchen redo.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52807026517/in/datetaken/

    100 linear feet of 1x8 s4s walnut with 2, 1/8" wide white oak pinstripes inlaid.


    I have the jig that sets the width of the thin rip to the left side of
    the blade, the kind that you readjust the rip fence with every pass and
    hope for a consistent result.

    There are numerous jigs out there but I also need to cut this strips up
    to 42" long.

    So this guy has come up with an elegant solution that puts the thin
    strip between the fixed object on the right side of the blade. So no
    moving the fence with every pass. This method is not unique but with
    90% of these type jigs you are kinda limited to short strips. The jig
    in the video seems to have all the bases covered regardless of how thing
    the strips need to be and the fence never moves. And he does this on a
    tiny Shop Smith TS.

    This is the best jig I have seen for this purpose.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Rt3IkcW08&t=24s

    Now a question, I will be cutting approximately 72, 8' long thin strips
    1/8" wide.

    This is what I am going for.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52807026517/in/datetaken/

    Band Saw or TS? I will for certain cut the 1/8" x 3/4" strips down to
    3, 3/16" tall pieces on the BS.

    Wood Glue? or Super Glue?

    Thoughts?
    What about resawing a board to about 1/4" thick, then running through the planer to get 1/8" thick. Then its a matter of cutting strips out of the thin board on the table saw. I can do it on my planer. I am not sure about your combo jointer/planer.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Bob Davis on Mon Apr 10 18:36:55 2023
    On 4/10/2023 5:42 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 2:20:35 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    1/8" thin strips that are about 1/4 thick/tall.

    There is what I am going to use for the rail and stiles of the door and
    drawer fronts for our kitchen redo.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52807026517/in/datetaken/

    100 linear feet of 1x8 s4s walnut with 2, 1/8" wide white oak pinstripes
    inlaid.


    I have the jig that sets the width of the thin rip to the left side of
    the blade, the kind that you readjust the rip fence with every pass and
    hope for a consistent result.

    There are numerous jigs out there but I also need to cut this strips up
    to 42" long.

    So this guy has come up with an elegant solution that puts the thin
    strip between the fixed object on the right side of the blade. So no
    moving the fence with every pass. This method is not unique but with
    90% of these type jigs you are kinda limited to short strips. The jig
    in the video seems to have all the bases covered regardless of how thing
    the strips need to be and the fence never moves. And he does this on a
    tiny Shop Smith TS.

    This is the best jig I have seen for this purpose.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Rt3IkcW08&t=24s

    Now a question, I will be cutting approximately 72, 8' long thin strips
    1/8" wide.

    This is what I am going for.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52807026517/in/datetaken/

    Band Saw or TS? I will for certain cut the 1/8" x 3/4" strips down to
    3, 3/16" tall pieces on the BS.

    Wood Glue? or Super Glue?

    Thoughts?
    What about resawing a board to about 1/4" thick, then running through the planer to get 1/8" thick. Then its a matter of cutting strips out of the thin board on the table saw. I can do it on my planer. I am not sure about your combo jointer/planer.

    If the oak I get is perfectly flat and straight that could work. BUT I
    would rather not be resawing 7.25" wide material.


    Now the walnut.

    BUT I am considering cutting each walnut piece 1/8" wider than needed in
    case the piece bows a bit after being cut. With my Cut List program I
    was able to get pieces that are aligned so that I can cross cut to
    shorten the rips and lessen the chance of ending up with a narrower
    piece, should the wood be case hardened and creep away from the fence.
    THEN assuming all comes out well run the pieces through the planer to
    get to the final width of 2.125" The rails and stiles are all that
    width, 152 pieces. 6 pieces, mid stiles, are 3" wide.

    Back to the oak pinstripes, I think it would be hard to resaw a 3/4" 1x8
    in to 3 pieces. You said 2 pieces but I think I can easily get 3 final pieces/strips if starting out with 1/8" x 3/4" strips to begin with and probably cutting 3 pieces from that on the band saw. That would be a
    safer cut. I'm just wondering if I can use the above mentioned jig on
    my BS to create the 1/8"x3/4" strips too.


    Lots to think about! Especially adding the pinstripes in as few pieces possible. I think it will be faster if I can pinstripe a longer piece
    that will end up being cut to 2~4 pieces.


    Thoughts on glue? Super glue or wood glue?

    I wonder how many bottles of super glue it would take. I have to glue approximately 200 liner feet of pin striping. The super glue usually
    has a decent pin point application top. I may need a Glue-bot for
    regular wood glue.

    Super glue would cure much faster even with out accelerator, I would
    have to clamp for probably at least 20~30 minutes with wood glue. This
    is going to take "days" just to get to the point of cutting each rail
    and stile to length. Kim is right beside me so 2 more hands come in handy.

    All of the cabinets and drawers are built and fitted. All cabinets are anchored in their final resting places and we primed and painted over
    the weekend. We had our first counter top guy come out today to take measurements. We will have 4 separate counter tops. We plan on getting
    at least one more bid. Some of these places want to charge to come
    measure to give a firm price. Those get crossed off of my list.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Leon on Mon Apr 10 23:21:32 2023
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 4/10/2023 5:03 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:20:35 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    1/8" thin strips that are about 1/4 thick/tall.

    The stringing is 1/8 wide, and 1/4" deep, then?

    I'd start with 1x8 white oak (although I think a less coarse grain
    would be easier to work, e.g. maple or cherry both of which contrast
    well with walnut). Joint one face, resaw a 3/16" slabs, then
    with a drum sander, sand the resawn (non jointed) face to 1/8".

    Then build a jig with a GEM blade (at an angle) and a fence, where the blade
    is 1/4" from the fence and pull the 1/8" x 8" finished slabs
    through the jig to slice off 1/4" x 1/8" strips.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Mon Apr 10 18:48:13 2023
    On 4/10/2023 6:21 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 4/10/2023 5:03 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:20:35 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    1/8" thin strips that are about 1/4 thick/tall.

    The stringing is 1/8 wide, and 1/4" deep, then?

    1/8" wide and about 1/8" deep. Cutting a bit taller to make handling
    easier and to have something to sand off to the surface of the walnut.



    I'd start with 1x8 white oak (although I think a less coarse grain
    would be easier to work, e.g. maple or cherry both of which contrast
    well with walnut). Joint one face, resaw a 3/16" slabs, then
    with a drum sander, sand the resawn (non jointed) face to 1/8".

    Agreed BUT white oak is better than red oak. I have build quite a bit
    with cherry and over 1~2 years it has darkened considerably in our home.
    That is great but the contrast would likely lessen over time against
    the walnut. Maple too would be a good contrast but I hate working with
    maple. Most of the maple down here does not stay straight after being
    cut. I used it many years ago on a kitchen job and it was always a crap
    shoot as to whether the piece bowed or not. Same thing on this
    kitchen, I used maple for the face frames. Some stiles needed a lot of
    sanding after the cut because they pushed away from the fence as they
    were cut. With these tiny pieces I would be afraid of them not coming
    out precisely the width of the grove that they will fit in to.




    Then build a jig with a GEM blade (at an angle) and a fence, where the blade is 1/4" from the fence and pull the 1/8" x 8" finished slabs
    through the jig to slice off 1/4" x 1/8" strips.



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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Leon on Tue Apr 11 02:00:45 2023
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 4/10/2023 6:21 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 4/10/2023 5:03 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:20:35 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    1/8" thin strips that are about 1/4 thick/tall.

    The stringing is 1/8 wide, and 1/4" deep, then?

    1/8" wide and about 1/8" deep. Cutting a bit taller to make handling
    easier and to have something to sand off to the surface of the walnut.



    I'd start with 1x8 white oak (although I think a less coarse grain
    would be easier to work, e.g. maple or cherry both of which contrast
    well with walnut). Joint one face, resaw a 3/16" slabs, then
    with a drum sander, sand the resawn (non jointed) face to 1/8".

    Agreed BUT white oak is better than red oak. I have build quite a bit
    with cherry and over 1~2 years it has darkened considerably in our home.

    With the cherry, I'd use sapwood instead of heartwood; the sapwood
    stays pale and doesn't age like the heartwood.

    That is great but the contrast would likely lessen over time against
    the walnut. Maple too would be a good contrast but I hate working with >maple. Most of the maple down here does not stay straight after being

    Have you tested the moisture content? I get pretty good stuff
    (or have in the past anyway) out here in california, it all
    comes from east of the mississippi, I had stored the
    8/4 stuff that I used for my workbench for several years before
    cutting it, allowing it to acclimate.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Mon Apr 10 18:20:23 2023
    On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 7:08:05 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 4/10/2023 5:03 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:20:35 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    1/8" thin strips that are about 1/4 thick/tall.

    There is what I am going to use for the rail and stiles of the door and >> drawer fronts for our kitchen redo.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52807026517/in/datetaken/

    100 linear feet of 1x8 s4s walnut with 2, 1/8" wide white oak pinstripes >> inlaid.


    I have the jig that sets the width of the thin rip to the left side of
    the blade, the kind that you readjust the rip fence with every pass and >> hope for a consistent result.

    There are numerous jigs out there but I also need to cut this strips up >> to 42" long.

    So this guy has come up with an elegant solution that puts the thin
    strip between the fixed object on the right side of the blade. So no
    moving the fence with every pass. This method is not unique but with
    90% of these type jigs you are kinda limited to short strips. The jig
    in the video seems to have all the bases covered regardless of how thing >> the strips need to be and the fence never moves. And he does this on a
    tiny Shop Smith TS.

    This is the best jig I have seen for this purpose.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Rt3IkcW08&t=24s

    Now a question, I will be cutting approximately 72, 8' long thin strips >> 1/8" wide.

    This is what I am going for.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52807026517/in/datetaken/

    Band Saw or TS? I will for certain cut the 1/8" x 3/4" strips down to
    3, 3/16" tall pieces on the BS.

    Wood Glue? or Super Glue?

    Thoughts?

    If the longest strips you need are 42”, why do you say you need
    to cut 8’ strips?
    I have 158 pieces that need to receive 2 pinstripe pieces. The longer
    the pinstripe piece the more pieces I can get our of an 8' pieces vs. 2,
    4' pieces. Some pieces are less than 4" long.

    I may rethink that.

    The plan is to work with 2'~5' pieces and glue them in place and then
    cut to length. I need to over size the cuts on the walnut so that the pinstripes stick out each end. I don't want to have to cut the
    pinstripes to exact length before gluing them in.

    I like the jig in the video although the flipping of the stop, the resetting of the jig after each cut, etc. looks a little clumsy. I
    guess if you get rhythm going, it might not be so bad.
    I think better than repositioning the rip fence every time.

    No argument there.


    Have you considered a Grr-Ripper (or 2) with the 1/8” leg? Certainly
    not as inexpensive as that homemade jig, but it should get the job
    done without the “resetting” after each pass. Plus, after you’re done, you’ll have a Grr-Ripper (or 2) ;-)
    Yes I have 2 and for many many years, but they do not insure that the
    thin pieces will not get battered by the blade, the fence not letting
    the piece be free. With the jig there is room for the strip to be in
    open space after being cut until the very end of the cut and not
    possibly being scorched by the blade. The gripper is good but I have
    had issues with them when needing to do thin material. I need to cut a bunch.
    Resetting is simply a matter of pulling the jig back, similar to pulling
    a miter gauge back after each cut and then flipping the arm back down.

    That's not how he resets it. Maybe it's because of his guard, but he lifts
    it off the table almost every time. Look at the video in the background
    here. There's only one time he pulls it back and then the next time he
    lifts it again.

    https://youtu.be/U9Rt3IkcW08?t=413

    Without a guard, yes, pulling it back would be easier. I don't know if
    you use a guard or if your guard allows it to be pulled back. The guard
    on my 70's vintage Craftsman has kickback pawls that would have to
    be defeated but the jig would still hit the guard itself. Not that I actually use my guard, but he claims that one of the advantages of his jig is
    that it can be used with the guard. With all of the cuts you will be making, lifting that jig every time would be brutal

    This jig actually feeds the work through with a solid stop when you get
    to the end, most other jigs do not.

    Yep...saw that. That is a good feature.

    Assuming that it can actually be pulled back after each cut, I wonder if modifying it to be an over-the-fence jig would make it even better. Then
    you wouldn't even have to think about feeding it straight along the fence.
    It would do that on its own.


    https://youtu.be/v_RdyX2rd40

    Unrelated (sort of) but I’m curious about his comment about the use
    of the riving knife. Is a 1/4” strip on the inside of the blade really going
    to cause kickback if the board “closes up”? Somehow it just doesn’t seem like the pressure would be enough.
    Yeah I missed that part.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 11 09:06:56 2023
    On 4/10/2023 8:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

    Snip

    Have you considered a Grr-Ripper (or 2) with the 1/8” leg? Certainly
    not as inexpensive as that homemade jig, but it should get the job
    done without the “resetting” after each pass. Plus, after you’re
    done, you’ll have a Grr-Ripper (or 2) ;-)
    Yes I have 2 and for many many years, but they do not insure that the
    thin pieces will not get battered by the blade, the fence not letting
    the piece be free. With the jig there is room for the strip to be in
    open space after being cut until the very end of the cut and not
    possibly being scorched by the blade. The gripper is good but I have
    had issues with them when needing to do thin material. I need to cut a
    bunch.
    Resetting is simply a matter of pulling the jig back, similar to pulling
    a miter gauge back after each cut and then flipping the arm back down.

    That's not how he resets it. Maybe it's because of his guard, but he lifts
    it off the table almost every time. Look at the video in the background
    here. There's only one time he pulls it back and then the next time he
    lifts it again.

    Yes, I don't use a guard, SS, Having to get repositioned around the
    guard would be a pia. In my case, I would just slide it back into
    position and lower the stop lever.



    https://youtu.be/U9Rt3IkcW08?t=413

    Without a guard, yes, pulling it back would be easier. I don't know if
    you use a guard or if your guard allows it to be pulled back. The guard
    on my 70's vintage Craftsman has kickback pawls that would have to
    be defeated but the jig would still hit the guard itself. Not that I actually use my guard, but he claims that one of the advantages of his jig is
    that it can be used with the guard. With all of the cuts you will be making, lifting that jig every time would be brutal

    Agreed, see above.



    This jig actually feeds the work through with a solid stop when you get
    to the end, most other jigs do not.

    Yep...saw that. That is a good feature.

    Assuming that it can actually be pulled back after each cut, I wonder if modifying it to be an over-the-fence jig would make it even better. Then
    you wouldn't even have to think about feeding it straight along the fence.
    It would do that on its own.

    I have thought about having it cradle the fence so that it would not
    move away from the fence, just move along the fence.





    https://youtu.be/v_RdyX2rd40

    Unrelated (sort of) but I’m curious about his comment about the use
    of the riving knife. Is a 1/4” strip on the inside of the blade really going
    to cause kickback if the board “closes up”? Somehow it just doesn’t >>> seem like the pressure would be enough.
    Yeah I missed that part.


    Thinking on your question, it could kick back but not likely to be
    violently since there is little mass. And it would more likely simply
    lift up and float.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Tue Apr 11 09:18:40 2023
    On 4/10/2023 9:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 4/10/2023 6:21 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 4/10/2023 5:03 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 3:20:35 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    1/8" thin strips that are about 1/4 thick/tall.

    The stringing is 1/8 wide, and 1/4" deep, then?

    1/8" wide and about 1/8" deep. Cutting a bit taller to make handling
    easier and to have something to sand off to the surface of the walnut.



    I'd start with 1x8 white oak (although I think a less coarse grain
    would be easier to work, e.g. maple or cherry both of which contrast
    well with walnut). Joint one face, resaw a 3/16" slabs, then
    with a drum sander, sand the resawn (non jointed) face to 1/8".

    Agreed BUT white oak is better than red oak. I have build quite a bit
    with cherry and over 1~2 years it has darkened considerably in our home.

    With the cherry, I'd use sapwood instead of heartwood; the sapwood
    stays pale and doesn't age like the heartwood.

    Gotcha. But cherry is kind of a unique species down here. The sap wood
    that I see is the thin slivers along the edge of a mostly heart wood board.

    Oddly cherry is not a favored wood down here either. It is about the
    least expensive wood that I have priced out. I do recall cherry being
    a bit expensive 10~15 years ago. I bought several boards back then. And
    IIRC today;s prices are the same as what I paid back then, $5~$6 per
    linear foot 1x8 s4s. Less than 30% more than poplar.




    That is great but the contrast would likely lessen over time against
    the walnut. Maple too would be a good contrast but I hate working with
    maple. Most of the maple down here does not stay straight after being

    Have you tested the moisture content? I get pretty good stuff
    (or have in the past anyway) out here in california, it all
    comes from east of the mississippi, I had stored the
    8/4 stuff that I used for my workbench for several years before
    cutting it, allowing it to acclimate.


    I do not check moisture content. I generally do not stock up with out
    having a project in mind. But having said that I typically buy an
    extra board for a job and a couple of days ago I was sorting my rack and noticed that I apparently am stocking up. ;~) I have some really
    interesting white oak boards that I have had for 15 plus years. All
    rough sawn from a saw mill.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Tue Apr 11 14:01:14 2023
    On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 10:07:10 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 4/10/2023 8:20 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

    Snip

    Have you considered a Grr-Ripper (or 2) with the 1/8” leg? Certainly >>> not as inexpensive as that homemade jig, but it should get the job
    done without the “resetting” after each pass. Plus, after you’re >>> done, you’ll have a Grr-Ripper (or 2) ;-)
    Yes I have 2 and for many many years, but they do not insure that the
    thin pieces will not get battered by the blade, the fence not letting
    the piece be free. With the jig there is room for the strip to be in
    open space after being cut until the very end of the cut and not
    possibly being scorched by the blade. The gripper is good but I have
    had issues with them when needing to do thin material. I need to cut a
    bunch.
    Resetting is simply a matter of pulling the jig back, similar to pulling >> a miter gauge back after each cut and then flipping the arm back down.

    That's not how he resets it. Maybe it's because of his guard, but he lifts it off the table almost every time. Look at the video in the background here. There's only one time he pulls it back and then the next time he lifts it again.
    Yes, I don't use a guard, SS, Having to get repositioned around the
    guard would be a pia. In my case, I would just slide it back into
    position and lower the stop lever.

    https://youtu.be/U9Rt3IkcW08?t=413

    Without a guard, yes, pulling it back would be easier. I don't know if
    you use a guard or if your guard allows it to be pulled back. The guard
    on my 70's vintage Craftsman has kickback pawls that would have to
    be defeated but the jig would still hit the guard itself. Not that I actually
    use my guard, but he claims that one of the advantages of his jig is
    that it can be used with the guard. With all of the cuts you will be making,
    lifting that jig every time would be brutal
    Agreed, see above.

    This jig actually feeds the work through with a solid stop when you get >> to the end, most other jigs do not.

    Yep...saw that. That is a good feature.

    Assuming that it can actually be pulled back after each cut, I wonder if modifying it to be an over-the-fence jig would make it even better. Then you wouldn't even have to think about feeding it straight along the fence. It would do that on its own.
    I have thought about having it cradle the fence so that it would not
    move away from the fence, just move along the fence.


    https://youtu.be/v_RdyX2rd40

    Unrelated (sort of) but I’m curious about his comment about the use >>> of the riving knife. Is a 1/4” strip on the inside of the blade really going
    to cause kickback if the board “closes up”? Somehow it just doesn’t
    seem like the pressure would be enough.
    Yeah I missed that part.
    Thinking on your question, it could kick back but not likely to be
    violently since there is little mass. And it would more likely simply
    lift up and float.

    Lifting and floating was also what I was picturing. I haven’t
    look at it too deeply, but it crossed my mind that it might make
    sense to make that flip arm not just be a pusher, but also a
    hold down like most push sticks are.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 11 16:27:13 2023
    On 4/11/2023 4:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:


    Snip

    Unrelated (sort of) but I’m curious about his comment about the use >>>>> of the riving knife. Is a 1/4” strip on the inside of the blade really going
    to cause kickback if the board “closes up”? Somehow it just doesn’t >>>>> seem like the pressure would be enough.
    Yeah I missed that part.
    Thinking on your question, it could kick back but not likely to be
    violently since there is little mass. And it would more likely simply
    lift up and float.

    Lifting and floating was also what I was picturing. I haven’t
    look at it too deeply, but it crossed my mind that it might make
    sense to make that flip arm not just be a pusher, but also a
    hold down like most push sticks are.


    Ok, So I built the jig and it took 3 minute adjustments to get this to
    fit the way I wonted it to fit.

    These are approximately 1/8" deep and the on nearest the middle was with
    a different blade, one that cuts flat bottoms.

    There was no tendency for the thin strip to come up, it was still
    attached to the board that it was being cut from and then past the blade
    I had to look closely to realize that the strip was still against the
    jig, it did not fall away. And both pieces were similar in color. So
    this was very stable wood. I'm happy with the results and will rip the
    strips into thirds, with my band saw to get 3 strips from each 1/8" x
    3/4" strip. And hopefully yield 3, 3/16" tall pinstripes.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52810457126/in/datetaken/

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Tue Apr 11 20:02:21 2023
    On Tuesday, April 11, 2023 at 5:27:27 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 4/11/2023 4:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:


    Snip

    Unrelated (sort of) but I’m curious about his comment about the use >>>>> of the riving knife. Is a 1/4” strip on the inside of the blade really going
    to cause kickback if the board “closes up”? Somehow it just doesn’t
    seem like the pressure would be enough.
    Yeah I missed that part.
    Thinking on your question, it could kick back but not likely to be
    violently since there is little mass. And it would more likely simply
    lift up and float.

    Lifting and floating was also what I was picturing. I haven’t
    look at it too deeply, but it crossed my mind that it might make
    sense to make that flip arm not just be a pusher, but also a
    hold down like most push sticks are.
    Ok, So I built the jig and it took 3 minute adjustments to get this to
    fit the way I wonted it to fit.

    These are approximately 1/8" deep and the on nearest the middle was with
    a different blade, one that cuts flat bottoms.

    There was no tendency for the thin strip to come up, it was still
    attached to the board that it was being cut from and then past the blade
    I had to look closely to realize that the strip was still against the
    jig, it did not fall away. And both pieces were similar in color. So
    this was very stable wood. I'm happy with the results and will rip the strips into thirds, with my band saw to get 3 strips from each 1/8" x
    3/4" strip. And hopefully yield 3, 3/16" tall pinstripes.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52810457126/in/datetaken/

    Nice find. I saved the link. I’m sure it’ll come in handy..

    Good luck with this next phase.

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