The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
But these are being sold as collectibles and for "collectors",
which is cool and groovey, but ... I'm looking for tools I can use. On
the other hand, I see tools I didn't know I wanted until I see the
picture. E.G., "Stair rabbet saw" - which could also be a "kerf
cutter" for ripping timbers /lumber. And similar old school tools
which put the "work" into "woodworking". (After using the hand tools,
you understand why power tools were invented. But I digress.)
Like a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts?
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
But these are being sold as collectibles and for "collectors",
which is cool and groovey, but ... I'm looking for tools I can use. On
the other hand, I see tools I didn't know I wanted until I see the
picture. E.G., "Stair rabbet saw" - which could also be a "kerf
cutter" for ripping timbers /lumber. And similar old school tools
which put the "work" into "woodworking". (After using the hand tools,
you understand why power tools were invented. But I digress.)
Lke a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts?
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
But these are being sold as collectibles and for "collectors",
which is cool and groovey, but ... I'm looking for tools I can use. On
the other hand, I see tools I didn't know I wanted until I see the
picture. E.G., "Stair rabbet saw" - which could also be a "kerf
cutter" for ripping timbers /lumber. And similar old school tools
which put the "work" into "woodworking". (After using the hand tools,
you understand why power tools were invented. But I digress.)
Like a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts?
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
But these are being sold as collectibles and for "collectors",
which is cool and groovey, but ... I'm looking for tools I can use. On
the other hand, I see tools I didn't know I wanted until I see the
picture. E.G., "Stair rabbet saw" - which could also be a "kerf
cutter" for ripping timbers /lumber. And similar old school tools
which put the "work" into "woodworking". (After using the hand tools,
you understand why power tools were invented. But I digress.)
Like a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts?
Flea markets and antique stores have been my go-to. Just picked up a
nice Stanley Bailey #2 at a local antique store for $25. Felt guilty and >gave the dealer an additional $20 since the plane is worth far more than
that on the collectors market and it cleaned up nicely.
Pete Neiderberger advertises in fine woodworking, and Pat Leach (http://www.supertool.com/).
I've purchased from both.
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~alf/en/tools.html
hubops@ccanoemail.com on Thu, 23 Mar 2023 11:50:21 -0400 typed in >rec.woodworking the following:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 07:55:12 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots >>>of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
But these are being sold as collectibles and for "collectors",
which is cool and groovey, but ... I'm looking for tools I can use. On >>>the other hand, I see tools I didn't know I wanted until I see the >>>picture. E.G., "Stair rabbet saw" - which could also be a "kerf
cutter" for ripping timbers /lumber. And similar old school tools
which put the "work" into "woodworking". (After using the hand tools,
you understand why power tools were invented. But I digress.)
Lke a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts?
Is this a stair rabbet saw ?
https://tinyurl.com/2zy5wacp
I've never seen one.
Yes, that's the thing itself.
I may have seen one years ago, but didn't know what it was.
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:
hubops@ccanoemail.com on Thu, 23 Mar 2023 11:50:21 -0400 typed in >>rec.woodworking the following:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 07:55:12 -0700, pyotr filipivich >>><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots >>>>of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
But these are being sold as collectibles and for "collectors",
which is cool and groovey, but ... I'm looking for tools I can use. On >>>>the other hand, I see tools I didn't know I wanted until I see the >>>>picture. E.G., "Stair rabbet saw" - which could also be a "kerf >>>>cutter" for ripping timbers /lumber. And similar old school tools >>>>which put the "work" into "woodworking". (After using the hand tools, >>>>you understand why power tools were invented. But I digress.)
Lke a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts?
Is this a stair rabbet saw ?
https://tinyurl.com/2zy5wacp
I've never seen one.
Yes, that's the thing itself.
I may have seen one years ago, but didn't know what it was.
It would be pretty straightforward to make one from a length of
1 1/2 or 2" bandsaw blade.
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:
hubops@ccanoemail.com on Thu, 23 Mar 2023 11:50:21 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 07:55:12 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
But these are being sold as collectibles and for "collectors",
which is cool and groovey, but ... I'm looking for tools I can use. On >>>> the other hand, I see tools I didn't know I wanted until I see the
picture. E.G., "Stair rabbet saw" - which could also be a "kerf
cutter" for ripping timbers /lumber. And similar old school tools
which put the "work" into "woodworking". (After using the hand tools,
you understand why power tools were invented. But I digress.)
Lke a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts?
Is this a stair rabbet saw ?
https://tinyurl.com/2zy5wacp
I've never seen one.
Yes, that's the thing itself.
I may have seen one years ago, but didn't know what it was.
It would be pretty straightforward to make one from a length of
1 1/2 or 2" bandsaw blade.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 3/24/2023 10:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:
hubops@ccanoemail.com on Thu, 23 Mar 2023 11:50:21 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 07:55:12 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots >>>>>> of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
But these are being sold as collectibles and for "collectors",
which is cool and groovey, but ... I'm looking for tools I can use. On >>>>>> the other hand, I see tools I didn't know I wanted until I see the >>>>>> picture. E.G., "Stair rabbet saw" - which could also be a "kerf
cutter" for ripping timbers /lumber. And similar old school tools >>>>>> which put the "work" into "woodworking". (After using the hand tools, >>>>>> you understand why power tools were invented. But I digress.)
Lke a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts?
Is this a stair rabbet saw ?
https://tinyurl.com/2zy5wacp
I've never seen one.
Yes, that's the thing itself.
I may have seen one years ago, but didn't know what it was.
It would be pretty straightforward to make one from a length of
1 1/2 or 2" bandsaw blade.
On, another note Scott. How are you doing with all the wild weather
that your state is getting.
I am
On 3/24/2023 10:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:
hubops@ccanoemail.com on Thu, 23 Mar 2023 11:50:21 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 07:55:12 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots >>>>> of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
But these are being sold as collectibles and for "collectors",
which is cool and groovey, but ... I'm looking for tools I can use. On >>>>> the other hand, I see tools I didn't know I wanted until I see the
picture. E.G., "Stair rabbet saw" - which could also be a "kerf
cutter" for ripping timbers /lumber. And similar old school tools
which put the "work" into "woodworking". (After using the hand tools, >>>>> you understand why power tools were invented. But I digress.)
Lke a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts?
Is this a stair rabbet saw ?
https://tinyurl.com/2zy5wacp
I've never seen one.
Yes, that's the thing itself.
I may have seen one years ago, but didn't know what it was.
It would be pretty straightforward to make one from a length of
1 1/2 or 2" bandsaw blade.
On, another note Scott. How are you doing with all the wild weather
that your state is getting.
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots >> of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will
look them up for you if you are interested).
east, but they travel a bit. They post all of
their "stuff" online, and even publish a catalog. I visited them when
they held their auction at a motel in Indianpolis (I think they do this
once a year). One issue is that with 150 tool "collectors" in a room
(not counting those online), 99% of things do not sell for prices one
might consider attractive. I bought a set of 6 miscellaneous molding
planes for $40, just so I didn't have to come home "empty handed".
In short, there is still interest out there for "old school tools".
On 3/26/2023 6:48 PM, Bill wrote:
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will
look them up for you if you are interested).
Here is a link:
https://www.mjdtools.com
On 3/26/2023 6:48 PM, Bill wrote:
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will
look them up for you if you are interested).
Here is a link:
https://www.mjdtools.com
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:53:02 -0400 typed in >>rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/26/2023 6:48 PM, Bill wrote:
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots >>>>> of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will >>>> look them up for you if you are interested).
Here is a link:
https://www.mjdtools.com
Yep, that's the outfit I was looking at.
It was where I found the reference to "stair rabbet saw" (or
whatever it was.
What I found difficult to locate was information on where the >>auctions are held, and if I am not there, how do I get my prize to
"here".
The auctions appear to be on-line.
https://mjdtools.nextlot.com/auctions/1426672/lots
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:53:02 -0400 typed in >rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/26/2023 6:48 PM, Bill wrote:
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots >>>> of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will >>> look them up for you if you are interested).
Here is a link:
https://www.mjdtools.com
Yep, that's the outfit I was looking at.
It was where I found the reference to "stair rabbet saw" (or
whatever it was.
What I found difficult to locate was information on where the
auctions are held, and if I am not there, how do I get my prize to
"here".
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:48:57 -0400 typed in >rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will >>look them up for you if you are interested). IIRC, they are located out >>east, but they travel a bit. They post all of
their "stuff" online, and even publish a catalog. I visited them when
they held their auction at a motel in Indianpolis (I think they do this >>once a year). One issue is that with 150 tool "collectors" in a room
(not counting those online), 99% of things do not sell for prices one
might consider attractive. I bought a set of 6 miscellaneous molding >>planes for $40, just so I didn't have to come home "empty handed".
In short, there is still interest out there for "old school tools".
Oh yes. But how many are as Collectors, and how many as Users?
On 3/26/2023 1:47 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 3/24/2023 10:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:
hubops@ccanoemail.com on Thu, 23 Mar 2023 11:50:21 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 07:55:12 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
But these are being sold as collectibles and for "collectors", >>>>>>>> which is cool and groovey, but ... I'm looking for tools I can use. On >>>>>>>> the other hand, I see tools I didn't know I wanted until I see the >>>>>>>> picture. E.G., "Stair rabbet saw" - which could also be a "kerf >>>>>>>> cutter" for ripping timbers /lumber. And similar old school tools >>>>>>>> which put the "work" into "woodworking". (After using the hand tools, >>>>>>>> you understand why power tools were invented. But I digress.)
Lke a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts? >>>>>>>
Is this a stair rabbet saw ?
https://tinyurl.com/2zy5wacp
I've never seen one.
Yes, that's the thing itself.
I may have seen one years ago, but didn't know what it was.
It would be pretty straightforward to make one from a length of
1 1/2 or 2" bandsaw blade.
On, another note Scott. How are you doing with all the wild weather
that your state is getting.
I am
Don't know what happened to the rest of the post. Sigh, suffice it
to say that it's has been cold and wet, wet and more wet. Heavy winds,
multiple power outages, road closures for landslides, lines down,
potholes, reservoirs spilling, floods. Really tired of rain.
I can relate! 6 years ago this August we had the remnants of a
Hurricane Harvey. It hit south east of us and moved up the Texas coast
to Houston. It began raining for us on a Friday and by Monday we has >received 52" of rain. There is Barker reservoir about 1 mile north of
where we live and that area has tens of thousands of homes, expensive
homes. Probably half of those homes had 2'~3' inside for a few weeks.
Good luck!
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 3/24/2023 10:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:
hubops@ccanoemail.com on Thu, 23 Mar 2023 11:50:21 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 07:55:12 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
But these are being sold as collectibles and for "collectors",
which is cool and groovey, but ... I'm looking for tools I can use. On >>>>>>> the other hand, I see tools I didn't know I wanted until I see the >>>>>>> picture. E.G., "Stair rabbet saw" - which could also be a "kerf >>>>>>> cutter" for ripping timbers /lumber. And similar old school tools >>>>>>> which put the "work" into "woodworking". (After using the hand tools, >>>>>>> you understand why power tools were invented. But I digress.)
Lke a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts? >>>>>>
Is this a stair rabbet saw ?
https://tinyurl.com/2zy5wacp
I've never seen one.
Yes, that's the thing itself.
I may have seen one years ago, but didn't know what it was.
It would be pretty straightforward to make one from a length of
1 1/2 or 2" bandsaw blade.
On, another note Scott. How are you doing with all the wild weather
that your state is getting.
I am
Don't know what happened to the rest of the post. Sigh, suffice it
to say that it's has been cold and wet, wet and more wet. Heavy winds, multiple power outages, road closures for landslides, lines down,
potholes, reservoirs spilling, floods. Really tired of rain.
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:48:57 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will
look them up for you if you are interested). IIRC, they are located out
east, but they travel a bit. They post all of
their "stuff" online, and even publish a catalog. I visited them when
they held their auction at a motel in Indianpolis (I think they do this
once a year). One issue is that with 150 tool "collectors" in a room
(not counting those online), 99% of things do not sell for prices one
might consider attractive. I bought a set of 6 miscellaneous molding
planes for $40, just so I didn't have to come home "empty handed".
In short, there is still interest out there for "old school tools".
Oh yes. But how many are as Collectors, and how many as Users?
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 15:16:06 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:53:02 -0400 typed in >>>rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/26/2023 6:48 PM, Bill wrote:
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots >>>>>> of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will >>>>> look them up for you if you are interested).
Here is a link:
https://www.mjdtools.com
Yep, that's the outfit I was looking at.
It was where I found the reference to "stair rabbet saw" (or >>>whatever it was.
What I found difficult to locate was information on where the >>>auctions are held, and if I am not there, how do I get my prize to >>>"here".
The auctions appear to be on-line.
https://mjdtools.nextlot.com/auctions/1426672/lots
Click on an active auction - there is a link for "Auction Terms"
that describes the 15 % buyer premium and some other details
but I didn't see any shipping services ? But I suspect it's
somewhere in their info .. Perhaps you need to register first ?
On 3/27/2023 11:06 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:48:57 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will >>> look them up for you if you are interested). IIRC, they are located out
east, but they travel a bit. They post all of
their "stuff" online, and even publish a catalog. I visited them when
they held their auction at a motel in Indianpolis (I think they do this
once a year). One issue is that with 150 tool "collectors" in a room
(not counting those online), 99% of things do not sell for prices one
might consider attractive. I bought a set of 6 miscellaneous molding
planes for $40, just so I didn't have to come home "empty handed".
In short, there is still interest out there for "old school tools".
Oh yes. But how many are as Collectors, and how many as Users?
They hold the auction over Friday and Saturday (with the preceding
Thursday allowing you to "inspect" everything). They hold the auction
for the "collectors" tools on Friday, and the auction for the "users"
tools on Saturday. Assuming you go on Thursday to have a close look at
things for a few hours (which you almost have to unless you are willing
to pay $50 for the collector tool "catalog"), you see that this is at
least a "two day event". On the positive side, with a little patience
you can probably find whatever you want, and even going to the
inspection on Thursday is comparable to going to a museum, and can get
your adrenaline going a bit. I didn't go on Friday, so I can't say how
many were there. But there were well over 100 on Saturday (including a
few spouses). One final note: I think many of the price "estimates" that
they publish on their web site are on the low side to help generate
interest. At least that was my experience. If you attend, or buy their >catalog ($50), they will send you a price list of how much everything
sold for after the auction is over.
hubops@ccanoemail.com on Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:40:22 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 15:16:06 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Sun, 26 Mar 2023 18:53:02 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On 3/26/2023 6:48 PM, Bill wrote:
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will >>>>>> look them up for you if you are interested).
Here is a link:
https://www.mjdtools.com
Yep, that's the outfit I was looking at.
It was where I found the reference to "stair rabbet saw" (or
whatever it was.
What I found difficult to locate was information on where the
auctions are held, and if I am not there, how do I get my prize to
"here".
The auctions appear to be on-line.
https://mjdtools.nextlot.com/auctions/1426672/lots
Click on an active auction - there is a link for "Auction Terms"
that describes the 15 % buyer premium and some other details
but I didn't see any shipping services ? But I suspect it's
somewhere in their info .. Perhaps you need to register first ?
When I have to register in order to get basic info, I am less
inclined to go even further. Auctions sites, clothing, tools, random
news, ... nope.
Click on an active auction - there is a link for "Auction Terms"
that describes the 15 % buyer premium and some other details
but I didn't see any shipping services ? But I suspect it's
somewhere in their info .. Perhaps you need to register first ?
When I have to register in order to get basic info, I am less
inclined to go even further. Auctions sites, clothing, tools, random
news, ... nope.
Well, this is a legitimate business.
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Wed, 29 Mar 2023 21:04:35 -0400 typed in
When I have to register in order to get basic info, I am less
inclined to go even further. Auctions sites, clothing, tools, random
news, ... nope.
Well, this is a legitimate business.
Is not a question of "Is this a legitimate business?" MDJ Tools
is as far as I can tell, legit. But having to wade through a bunch of
stuff to find out about shipping, "title, tax, and license" for total
costs, annoys the heck out of me.
Mine is a question more of "How do I know if I want to buy from
you when I have to create an account in order to see what you have?"
On 3/30/2023 12:21 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Wed, 29 Mar 2023 21:04:35 -0400 typed in
When I have to register in order to get basic info, I am less
inclined to go even further. Auctions sites, clothing, tools, random
news, ... nope.
Well, this is a legitimate business.
Is not a question of "Is this a legitimate business?" MDJ Tools
is as far as I can tell, legit. But having to wade through a bunch of
stuff to find out about shipping, "title, tax, and license" for total
costs, annoys the heck out of me.
Mine is a question more of "How do I know if I want to buy from
you when I have to create an account in order to see what you have?"
I understand and would feel the same way! I haven't visited their web
site recently. I think it's safe to say that they will make the buyer
pay the full shipping fees (but they will probably combine orders to
minimize them).
Like a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts?
Flea markets and antique stores have been my go-to. Just picked up a
nice Stanley Bailey #2 at a local antique store for $25. Felt guilty and >gave the dealer an additional $20 since the plane is worth far more than
that on the collectors market and it cleaned up nicely.
Pete Neiderberger advertises in fine woodworking, and Pat Leach (http://www.supertool.com/).
I've purchased from both.
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~alf/en/tools.html
The condundrum over "collectors" and bargain hunters exists in
most of these auctions - the selling prices usually climb when the
item is close to closing - the beauty of the online auction is that
you can bid your maximum as your first and only bid - then carry
on with your life !
- you get a notification when you are outbid or when you are
the successful buyer.
John T.
On 3/30/2023 8:32 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
The condundrum over "collectors" and bargain hunters exists in
most of these auctions - the selling prices usually climb when the
item is close to closing - the beauty of the online auction is that
you can bid your maximum as your first and only bid - then carry
on with your life !
The problem with that is that some sellers have learned to game the
system. Basically, the seller, or her "friend", will outbid you and
cancel the bid if it is the highest. Ebay has special rules for
cancellation which one can read if interested. Having felt the victim of >this, I often place my ebay bid in the final seconds of an auction.
THEN, it works the way you wish, or at least it is more likely.
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 21:47:17 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
On 3/30/2023 8:32 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
The condundrum over "collectors" and bargain hunters exists in
most of these auctions - the selling prices usually climb when the
item is close to closing - the beauty of the online auction is that
you can bid your maximum as your first and only bid - then carry
on with your life !
The problem with that is that some sellers have learned to game the
system. Basically, the seller, or her "friend", will outbid you and
cancel the bid if it is the highest. Ebay has special rules for
cancellation which one can read if interested. Having felt the victim of
this, I often place my ebay bid in the final seconds of an auction.
THEN, it works the way you wish, or at least it is more likely.
The auction sales that I'm referring to are not ebay - they are
estate and consignment auctions run by an established local auction
company - there is no cancelling of bids possible - you register
with your credit card and it gets billed soon after closing.
As a buyer - if you bid your maximum as your first and only bid
then you cannot be gamed in any way - someone out bid you -
- period. If it was the seller - he pays 15 % buyers fee plus
13 % sales tax
quite doubtful. Add the bother of delivering the item to the
auctioneer's site and picking it up again ..
John T.
The problem with that is that some sellers have learned to game the
system. Basically, the seller, or her "friend", will outbid you and
cancel the bid if it is the highest. Ebay has special rules for
cancellation which one can read if interested. Having felt the victim of >>> this, I often place my ebay bid in the final seconds of an auction.
THEN, it works the way you wish, or at least it is more likely.
The auction sales that I'm referring to are not ebay - they are
estate and consignment auctions run by an established local auction
company - there is no cancelling of bids possible - you register
with your credit card and it gets billed soon after closing.
As a buyer - if you bid your maximum as your first and only bid
then you cannot be gamed in any way - someone out bid you -
- period. If it was the seller - he pays 15 % buyers fee plus
13 % sales tax and then tries to sell it again ? possible .. but
quite doubtful. Add the bother of delivering the item to the
auctioneer's site and picking it up again ..
John T.
Yes, Unless he works for the auction house, right? He doesn't even need
to move item. He can sell it "next week" from the exact same location.
In a related story, someone in my area was selling a lathe on Ebay.It occurred to me that I have seen the same phenomenon at my local
Then I saw the same photos on Craigslist the day after the auction. The seller told me he outbid me because he "didn't think my bid was high enough"--he said it was my fault for not bidding more. Without going
into the details, I don't think he payed Ebay any commission either.
It's a jungle out there... ; )
On 3/30/2023 9:47 PM, Bill wrote:
In a related story, someone in my area was selling a lathe on Ebay.
Then I saw the same photos on Craigslist the day after the auction. The
seller told me he outbid me because he "didn't think my bid was high
enough"--he said it was my fault for not bidding more. Without going
into the details, I don't think he payed Ebay any commission either.
It's a jungle out there... ; )
It occurred to me that I have seen the same phenomenon at my local
auction house. Say the auction has a box of "identical" widgets. There
is this person standing next to me in the front row that bids just
frequently enough to make sure no widget is sold for less than $15. I
didn't catch on immediately. Same place, different day--a worker
followed me over to a different building to quietly look over someone's >shoulder to stare at the computer screen to examine the bid I was
placing in advance on a piece of furniture. I notified the "management" >explaining that it would all be on their video camera, and they said
"Find a different auction house if you want". Maybe it is just a
coincidence, but I don't think I've been back. I have one or two more
stories like those, but those two are enough to make my point. Things
aren't always as they seem! :) My final offering to you, which might
save you some money, is to "bid as nonchalantly as you can". In
particular, a bid placed in advance is not as subtle as it might be...
you may get a better price bidding in person. YMMV.
Anyone who thinks that they're getting gamed at an auction sale
is usually just a tightwad or sore loser.
The problem with that is that some sellers have learned to game the
system. Basically, the seller, or her "friend", will outbid you and
cancel the bid if it is the highest. Ebay has special rules for
cancellation which one can read if interested. Having felt the victim of >>>> this, I often place my ebay bid in the final seconds of an auction.
THEN, it works the way you wish, or at least it is more likely.
The auction sales that I'm referring to are not ebay - they are
estate and consignment auctions run by an established local auction
company - there is no cancelling of bids possible - you register
with your credit card and it gets billed soon after closing.
As a buyer - if you bid your maximum as your first and only bid
then you cannot be gamed in any way - someone out bid you -
- period. If it was the seller - he pays 15 % buyers fee plus
13 % sales tax and then tries to sell it again ? possible .. but
quite doubtful. Add the bother of delivering the item to the
auctioneer's site and picking it up again ..
John T.
Yes, Unless he works for the auction house, right? He doesn't even need
to move item. He can sell it "next week" from the exact same location.
Nope. You're just dreamin' stuff up now - be careful that little
pixies don't come and steal your gold fillings while you sleep !
John T.
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
But these are being sold as collectibles and for "collectors",
which is cool and groovey, but ... I'm looking for tools I can use. On
the other hand, I see tools I didn't know I wanted until I see the
picture. E.G., "Stair rabbet saw" - which could also be a "kerf
cutter" for ripping timbers /lumber. And similar old school tools
which put the "work" into "woodworking". (After using the hand tools,
you understand why power tools were invented. But I digress.)
Like a lot of these things - I could make one, but who has the
time?
So, recommendations for sources for similar hand tools? Or parts?
--
pyotr filipivich.
Discussing the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol once wrote
"It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged
boys could lose a finger or two playing with."
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will
look them up for you if you are interested). IIRC, they are located out
east, but they travel a bit. They post all of
their "stuff" online, and even publish a catalog. I visited them when
they held their auction at a motel in Indianpolis (I think they do this
once a year). One issue is that with 150 tool "collectors" in a room
(not counting those online), 99% of things do not sell for prices one
might consider attractive. I bought a set of 6 miscellaneous molding
planes for $40, just so I didn't have to come home "empty handed".
In short, there is still interest out there for "old school tools".
Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots >>> of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will
look them up for you if you are interested). IIRC, they are located out
east, but they travel a bit. They post all of
their "stuff" online, and even publish a catalog. I visited them when
they held their auction at a motel in Indianpolis (I think they do this
once a year). One issue is that with 150 tool "collectors" in a room
(not counting those online), 99% of things do not sell for prices one
might consider attractive. I bought a set of 6 miscellaneous molding
planes for $40, just so I didn't have to come home "empty handed".
In short, there is still interest out there for "old school tools".
I came across this video on an auction from Brown Tools: https://buildshownetwork.com/contents/antique-tool-auction
who appear to be:
https://www.finetoolj.com/
On 4/12/2023 1:20 PM, Theo wrote:
Bill <none...@att.net> wrote:
On 3/23/2023 10:55 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
The other day I got an auction site in my social media feed. Lots
of old tools. "Ook, ook, me want!"
There is an auction house that specialized in "old school tools" (I will >> look them up for you if you are interested). IIRC, they are located out >> east, but they travel a bit. They post all of
their "stuff" online, and even publish a catalog. I visited them when
they held their auction at a motel in Indianpolis (I think they do this >> once a year). One issue is that with 150 tool "collectors" in a room
(not counting those online), 99% of things do not sell for prices one
might consider attractive. I bought a set of 6 miscellaneous molding
planes for $40, just so I didn't have to come home "empty handed".
In short, there is still interest out there for "old school tools".
I came across this video on an auction from Brown Tools: https://buildshownetwork.com/contents/antique-tool-auctionThe auction appears *very* similar, but it appears to be a different
who appear to be:
https://www.finetoolj.com/
company that the one I posted a link to earlier. Looks like good stuff,
huh? My wife said she'd wait for me in the lobby (of the hotel). : )
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 4:14:09 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
I came across this video on an auction from Brown Tools:The auction appears *very* similar, but it appears to be a different
https://buildshownetwork.com/contents/antique-tool-auction
who appear to be:
https://www.finetoolj.com/
company that the one I posted a link to earlier. Looks like good stuff,
huh? My wife said she'd wait for me in the lobby (of the hotel). : )
Is that where the bar is? ;-)
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