This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is
what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor" >since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office
as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase >units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have
a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces,
in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces >and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold
the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced >towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is
what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor" >since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office
as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase >units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have
a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces,
in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces >and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold
the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced >towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?
On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:18:53 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is >what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office >as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase >units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have >a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and >loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces, >in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces >and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold >the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced >towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?Do not think you are wrong, the edge gap in my understanding is to
stop the flooring from buckling up.
I have not had hand on experience with vinyl planks, is it plastic
completely or is it a veneer on plywood?
On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:18:53 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is >what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office >as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase >units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have >a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and >loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces, >in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces >and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold >the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced >towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?Is it really an expansion gap or a little slop so that it can move
while you're installing it? I can't imagine that vinyl will expand significantly with moisture or the limited temperature swings in a
living space.
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5, Markem618 wrote:It is "multi-layer" vinyl construction and it doesn't expand with
On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:18:53 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that isDo not think you are wrong, the edge gap in my understanding is to
what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also. >> >
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office >> >as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase >> >units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have >> >a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces, >> >in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces >> >and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold >> >the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced
towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?
stop the flooring from buckling up.
I have not had hand on experience with vinyl planks, is it plastic
completely or is it a veneer on plywood?
Sort of none of the above.
https://i.imgur.com/y7B4Vx0.jpg
This is mine...5/16" thick.
https://i.imgur.com/FrEzL2d.jpg
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-5, Markem618 wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2022 09:18:53 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that isDo not think you are wrong, the edge gap in my understanding is to
what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also. >> >
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office >> >as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase >> >units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have >> >a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces, >> >in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces >> >and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold >> >the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced
towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?
stop the flooring from buckling up.
I have not had hand on experience with vinyl planks, is it plastic
completely or is it a veneer on plywood?
Sort of none of the above.
https://i.imgur.com/y7B4Vx0.jpg
This is mine...5/16" thick.
https://i.imgur.com/FrEzL2d.jpg
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:18:56 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:say its Luxury.
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is
what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also. >>
Oh my!!!!!! LUXURY Vinyl Plank. Not regular, average, common Vinyl Plank. No sir. LUXURY!!!!!!!
Nothing to add from me. Just kidding you. The flooring you are installing is officially called Luxury Vinyl Plank? I guess the makers, sellers, of this product really want folks to believe they are getting the best. So they just come right out and
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office
as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase
units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have >> a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces, >> in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces >> and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold
the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced
towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is
what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office
as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces, in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:18:56 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
Oh my!!!!!! LUXURY Vinyl Plank. Not regular, average, common Vinyl Plank. No sir. LUXURY!!!!!!!
Nothing to add from me. Just kidding you. The flooring you are installing is officially called Luxury Vinyl Plank?
I guess the makers, sellers, of this product really want folks to believe they are getting the best. So they just
come right out and say its Luxury.
Am I wrong?
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 12:18:56 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Am I wrong?
Never admit it. But do be sure to let it sit in the middle of the floor for 6 months to a year so it acclimates. Then you can run a half inch gap right down the middle if you want - your wife will just be happy it's done. ymmv
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 6:56:58 PM UTC-5, Jay Pique wrote:
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 12:18:56 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Am I wrong?
Never admit it. But do be sure to let it sit in the middle of the floor for 6 months to a year so it acclimates. Then you can run a half inch gap right down the middle if you want - your wife will just be happy it's done. ymmv
Real men (and women) admit when they are wrong.
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 6:56:58 PM UTC-5, Jay Pique wrote:
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 12:18:56 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Am I wrong?
Never admit it. But do be sure to let it sit in the middle of the floor for 6 months to a year so it acclimates. Then you can run a half inch gap right down the middle if you want - your wife will just be happy it's done. ymmv
Real men (and women) admit when they are wrong.
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 8:26:37 PM UTC-5, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:18:56 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that isOh my!!!!!! LUXURY Vinyl Plank. Not regular, average, common Vinyl Plank. No sir. LUXURY!!!!!!!
what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also. >>>
Nothing to add from me. Just kidding you. The flooring you are installing is officially called Luxury Vinyl Plank?
Yes
I guess the makers, sellers, of this product really want folks to believe they are getting the best. So they just
come right out and say its Luxury.
That's not exactly how it works. You could just use Google for a complete description, but I'll
get you started.
There are many levels of vinyl plank, from thin, flexible, stick on stuff to 12 mm products that
can stand up to commercial traffic. When you get to the 5 mm and up range, you are into the
LVP (or LVT - Tile) space. (I'm using an 8 mm product.) Within the LVP space there are many
different patterns; we chose a rough-ish wood look, complete with the occasional blade mark.
There are even styles with beveled edges on each plank.
https://i.imgur.com/jvJth7K.jpg
You can choose from hard walking, dent resistant (harder core) to softer walking, more dent prone
(softer core) surfaces. We chose the softer feel.
Take a stroll through a flooring store and check out the myriad of options for LVP and LVT. I'll
think you might be surprised and you'll learn some stuff along the way. This is not your mother's
vinyl sheet flooring.
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is
what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office
as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have
a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces,
in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold
the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:18:56 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:say its Luxury.
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is
what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also. >>
Oh my!!!!!! LUXURY Vinyl Plank. Not regular, average, common Vinyl Plank. No sir. LUXURY!!!!!!!
Nothing to add from me. Just kidding you. The flooring you are installing is officially called Luxury Vinyl Plank? I guess the makers, sellers, of this product really want folks to believe they are getting the best. So they just come right out and
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office
as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase
units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have >> a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces, >> in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces >> and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold
the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced
towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?
On 12/30/2022 11:18 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is
what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also. >>
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office
as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase
units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have >> a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces, >> in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces >> and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold
the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced
towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?
No you are not alone. But consider that everyone that has flooring >installed has furniture too.
The weight of each piece of furniture is spread out and will be much
easier to move. And the movement is going to be very little over a
long period of time, not all at once.
On Mon, 2 Jan 2023 16:49:39 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 6:56:58 PM UTC-5, Jay Pique wrote:
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 12:18:56 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Am I wrong?
Never admit it. But do be sure to let it sit in the middle of the floor for 6 months to a year so it acclimates. Then you can run a half inch gap right down the middle if you want - your wife will just be happy it's done. ymmv
Real men (and women) admit when they are wrong.
Close. Real women admit when their men are wrong.
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 12:18:56 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Am I wrong?
Never admit it. But do be sure to let it sit in the middle of the floor for 6 months to a year so it acclimates. Then you can run a half inch gap right down the middle if you want - your wife will just be happy it's done. ymmv
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 12/30/2022 11:18 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is
what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also. >>>
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office >>> as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase >>> units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have >>> a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces, >>> in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces >>> and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold >>> the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced
towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?
No you are not alone. But consider that everyone that has flooring >>installed has furniture too.
The weight of each piece of furniture is spread out and will be much
easier to move. And the movement is going to be very little over a
long period of time, not all at once.
And, the movement is effectively powered by hydraulic action in wood;
and we know just how powerful hydraulics can be. The furniture will
move _with_ the wood floor, rather than being moved _by_ the wood floor.
Vinyl flooring doesn't have expansion characteristics comparable to
wood with respect to changes in humdity, yet it will change in dimension
with temperature changes. Freestanding furniture will move with
the floor. Installed cabinets, prevented from movement by a wall or
other obstruction, can cause buckling of the flooring; thus a gap
around any immovable objects (walls, attached cabinets, etc) is required.
On 1/2/2023 5:56 PM, Jay Pique wrote:
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 12:18:56 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Am I wrong?
Never admit it. But do be sure to let it sit in the middle of the floor for 6 months to a year so it acclimates. Then you can run a half inch gap right down the middle if you want - your wife will just be happy it's done. ymmvIIRC This stuff only needs to be brought to room temperature as it does
not absorb moisture like wood does.
On 12/30/2022 7:26 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:say its Luxury.
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:18:56 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is >> what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
Oh my!!!!!! LUXURY Vinyl Plank. Not regular, average, common Vinyl Plank. No sir. LUXURY!!!!!!!
Nothing to add from me. Just kidding you. The flooring you are installing is officially called Luxury Vinyl Plank? I guess the makers, sellers, of this product really want folks to believe they are getting the best. So they just come right out and
You have not heard of Luxury Vinyl flooring? It is all the rage with
new homes now. My wife and I were going to build a new home 2 years
ago and the builder was offering this product. The model had a wood appearance. I could not tell that it was not real wood. It does not
crack, it installs quickly, and water does not harm it.
On 12/30/2022 7:26 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:say its Luxury.
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:18:56 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is >> what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
Oh my!!!!!! LUXURY Vinyl Plank. Not regular, average, common Vinyl Plank. No sir. LUXURY!!!!!!!
Nothing to add from me. Just kidding you. The flooring you are installing is officially called Luxury Vinyl Plank? I guess the makers, sellers, of this product really want folks to believe they are getting the best. So they just come right out and
You have not heard of Luxury Vinyl flooring? It is all the rage with
new homes now. My wife and I were going to build a new home 2 years
ago and the builder was offering this product. The model had a wood appearance. I could not tell that it was not real wood. It does not
crack, it installs quickly, and water does not harm it.
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office >> as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase >> units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have
a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces,
in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces
and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold >> the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced >> towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation.
Am I wrong?
On Tue, 03 Jan 2023 17:07:07 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:How much does temperature change? 10F? 15F, max? Does it really
On 12/30/2022 11:18 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is >>>> what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also. >>>>
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office >>>> as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase >>>> units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have
a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces, >>>> in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces >>>> and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold >>>> the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced >>>> towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation. >>>>
Am I wrong?
No you are not alone. But consider that everyone that has flooring
installed has furniture too.
The weight of each piece of furniture is spread out and will be much
easier to move. And the movement is going to be very little over a
long period of time, not all at once.
And, the movement is effectively powered by hydraulic action in wood;
and we know just how powerful hydraulics can be. The furniture will
move _with_ the wood floor, rather than being moved _by_ the wood floor.
Vinyl flooring doesn't have expansion characteristics comparable to
wood with respect to changes in humdity, yet it will change in dimension
with temperature changes. Freestanding furniture will move with
the floor. Installed cabinets, prevented from movement by a wall or
other obstruction, can cause buckling of the flooring; thus a gap
around any immovable objects (walls, attached cabinets, etc) is required.
change dimension that much.
What about something like a refrigerator (as was mentioned above)?
They're pretty heavy and the weight isn't distributed, rather at the
four corners.
On 1/3/2023 2:48 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2023 17:07:07 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:How much does temperature change? 10F? 15F, max? Does it really
On 12/30/2022 11:18 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is >>>>> what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening. >>>>>
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around >>>>> the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office >>>>> as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies >>>>> the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase >>>>> units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have
a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces,
in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces
and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold >>>>> the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced >>>>> towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation. >>>>>
Am I wrong?
No you are not alone. But consider that everyone that has flooring
installed has furniture too.
The weight of each piece of furniture is spread out and will be much
easier to move. And the movement is going to be very little over a
long period of time, not all at once.
And, the movement is effectively powered by hydraulic action in wood;
and we know just how powerful hydraulics can be. The furniture will
move _with_ the wood floor, rather than being moved _by_ the wood floor. >>>
Vinyl flooring doesn't have expansion characteristics comparable to
wood with respect to changes in humdity, yet it will change in dimension >>> with temperature changes. Freestanding furniture will move with
the floor. Installed cabinets, prevented from movement by a wall or
other obstruction, can cause buckling of the flooring; thus a gap
around any immovable objects (walls, attached cabinets, etc) is required. >>>
change dimension that much.
What about something like a refrigerator (as was mentioned above)?
They're pretty heavy and the weight isn't distributed, rather at the
four corners.
Four corners quarters the wright.
On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 10:58:37 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:say its Luxury.
On 12/30/2022 7:26 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:18:56 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is >> what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
Oh my!!!!!! LUXURY Vinyl Plank. Not regular, average, common Vinyl Plank. No sir. LUXURY!!!!!!!
Nothing to add from me. Just kidding you. The flooring you are installing is officially called Luxury Vinyl Plank? I guess the makers, sellers, of this product really want folks to believe they are getting the best. So they just come right out and
noun.You have not heard of Luxury Vinyl flooring? It is all the rage withMy comments were directed at the official name of this product. "LUXURY" vinyl flooring. Or Luxury Vinyl Plank flooring. The LUXURY part is what I was questioning. The word luxury is an adjective. A descriptive word for a noun. Vinyl flooring is the
new homes now. My wife and I were going to build a new home 2 years
ago and the builder was offering this product. The model had a wood appearance. I could not tell that it was not real wood. It does not
crack, it installs quickly, and water does not harm it.
An example. Wife. Many men have a wife. When introducing your wife to a person, do you introduce her as my Sexy Wife? Or my Fat Wife? Or my Ugly Wife? Or my Lazy Wife? Hopefully not.
So does it make sense to say Luxury Vinyl Plank flooring? Why not just say its Vinyl Plank flooring? You have to add the word Plank to distinguish it from sheet vinyl flooring.
As for your experience of seeing it in a house. It may be very good at appearing as real wood. And has benefits over real wood when it comes to durability and expansion. But is it Luxury Vinyl flooring? Or is it luxurious Vinyl flooring?
On Tue, 03 Jan 2023 17:07:07 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:How much does temperature change? 10F? 15F, max? Does it really
On 12/30/2022 11:18 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is >>>> what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also. >>>>
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening.
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around
the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office >>>> as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies
the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase >>>> units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have
a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and
loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces, >>>> in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces >>>> and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold >>>> the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced >>>> towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation. >>>>
Am I wrong?
No you are not alone. But consider that everyone that has flooring >>>installed has furniture too.
The weight of each piece of furniture is spread out and will be much >>>easier to move. And the movement is going to be very little over a
long period of time, not all at once.
And, the movement is effectively powered by hydraulic action in wood;
and we know just how powerful hydraulics can be. The furniture will
move _with_ the wood floor, rather than being moved _by_ the wood floor.
Vinyl flooring doesn't have expansion characteristics comparable to
wood with respect to changes in humdity, yet it will change in dimension >>with temperature changes. Freestanding furniture will move with
the floor. Installed cabinets, prevented from movement by a wall or
other obstruction, can cause buckling of the flooring; thus a gap
around any immovable objects (walls, attached cabinets, etc) is required.
change dimension that much.
What about something like a refrigerator (as was mentioned above)?
They're pretty heavy and the weight isn't distributed, rather at the
four corners.
On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 10:58:37 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:say its Luxury.
On 12/30/2022 7:26 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:18:56 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is >>>> what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also. >>>>
Oh my!!!!!! LUXURY Vinyl Plank. Not regular, average, common Vinyl Plank. No sir. LUXURY!!!!!!!
Nothing to add from me. Just kidding you. The flooring you are installing is officially called Luxury Vinyl Plank? I guess the makers, sellers, of this product really want folks to believe they are getting the best. So they just come right out and
the noun.You have not heard of Luxury Vinyl flooring? It is all the rage with
new homes now. My wife and I were going to build a new home 2 years
ago and the builder was offering this product. The model had a wood
appearance. I could not tell that it was not real wood. It does not
crack, it installs quickly, and water does not harm it.
My comments were directed at the official name of this product. "LUXURY" vinyl flooring. Or Luxury Vinyl Plank flooring. The LUXURY part is what I was questioning. The word luxury is an adjective. A descriptive word for a noun. Vinyl flooring is
An example. Wife. Many men have a wife. When introducing your wife to a person, do you introduce her as my Sexy Wife? Or my Fat Wife? Or my Ugly Wife? Or my Lazy Wife? Hopefully not. So does it make sense to say Luxury Vinyl Plank flooring?Why not just say its Vinyl Plank flooring? You have to add the word Plank to distinguish it from sheet vinyl flooring.
As for your experience of seeing it in a house. It may be very good at appearing as real wood. And has benefits over real wood when it comes to durability and expansion. But is it Luxury Vinyl flooring? Or is it luxurious Vinyl flooring?
On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 6:48:36 PM UTC-5, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:say its Luxury.
On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 10:58:37 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
On 12/30/2022 7:26 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 11:18:56 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is >>>>> what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
Oh my!!!!!! LUXURY Vinyl Plank. Not regular, average, common Vinyl Plank. No sir. LUXURY!!!!!!!
Nothing to add from me. Just kidding you. The flooring you are installing is officially called Luxury Vinyl Plank? I guess the makers, sellers, of this product really want folks to believe they are getting the best. So they just come right out and
noun.
You have not heard of Luxury Vinyl flooring? It is all the rage withMy comments were directed at the official name of this product. "LUXURY" vinyl flooring. Or Luxury Vinyl Plank flooring. The LUXURY part is what I was questioning. The word luxury is an adjective. A descriptive word for a noun. Vinyl flooring is the
new homes now. My wife and I were going to build a new home 2 years
ago and the builder was offering this product. The model had a wood
appearance. I could not tell that it was not real wood. It does not
crack, it installs quickly, and water does not harm it.
The word luxury is also a noun.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/luxury
An example. Wife. Many men have a wife. When introducing your wife to a person, do you introduce her as my Sexy Wife? Or my Fat Wife? Or my Ugly Wife? Or my Lazy Wife? Hopefully not.
So does it make sense to say Luxury Vinyl Plank flooring? Why not just say its Vinyl Plank flooring? You have to add the word Plank to distinguish it from sheet vinyl flooring.
Don't forget Luxury Vinyl Tile (LVT) vs vinyl tiles - i.e "standard" vinyl tile, not Luxury Vinyl Tile.
LVP and LVT are subsets of the larger set know as LVF - Luxury Vinyl Flooring which was
developed specifically to be a step up from the vinyl sheet and tiles that has been around for
years.
See here for an article entitled "The Evolution of Vinyl Flooring"
https://www.tasupply.com/2019/07/03/the-evolution-of-vinyl-flooring/
As for your experience of seeing it in a house. It may be very good at appearing as real wood. And has benefits over real wood when it comes to durability and expansion. But is it Luxury Vinyl flooring? Or is it luxurious Vinyl flooring?
Easy way to find out...go to a flooring store and ask for luxurious Vinyl flooring. Let us know what they say.
On Tue, 3 Jan 2023 17:30:29 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/3/2023 2:48 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jan 2023 17:07:07 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:How much does temperature change? 10F? 15F, max? Does it really
On 12/30/2022 11:18 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This question relates specifically to Luxury Vinyl Plank (since that is >>>>>> what I am installing) but I think that it applies to hardwood floors also.
I'm installing LVP in my kitchen and office. It's essentially a "single floor"
since the office is connected to the kitchen via a 48" wide opening. >>>>>>
The standard practice for LVP is to leave a 1/4" expansion gap around >>>>>> the perimeter. Fine. No problem. Kitchen's done and I'll start the office
as soon as I move everything back into the kitchen - and therein lies >>>>>> the rub.
I'm about to move the range, refrigerator, two 32" x 84" cabinet/bookcase
units and a 40 gallon aquarium back into the kitchen. In the office, I have
a large antique, hardwood desk and matching hutch. The recliner and >>>>>> loveseat are lightweights compared to those 2 pieces. All of these pieces,
in both rooms, are up against different walls.
I find it impossible that the floor is actually going to move those pieces
and use the 1/4" expansion gaps. I think that the weight is going to hold
the planks under the pieces down solid and any expansion will be forced >>>>>> towards the middle of the room(s). I can't be alone in this situation. >>>>>>
Am I wrong?
No you are not alone. But consider that everyone that has flooring >>>>> installed has furniture too.
The weight of each piece of furniture is spread out and will be much >>>>> easier to move. And the movement is going to be very little over a >>>>> long period of time, not all at once.
And, the movement is effectively powered by hydraulic action in wood;
and we know just how powerful hydraulics can be. The furniture will
move _with_ the wood floor, rather than being moved _by_ the wood floor. >>>>
Vinyl flooring doesn't have expansion characteristics comparable to
wood with respect to changes in humdity, yet it will change in dimension >>>> with temperature changes. Freestanding furniture will move with
the floor. Installed cabinets, prevented from movement by a wall or
other obstruction, can cause buckling of the flooring; thus a gap
around any immovable objects (walls, attached cabinets, etc) is required. >>>>
change dimension that much.
What about something like a refrigerator (as was mentioned above)?
They're pretty heavy and the weight isn't distributed, rather at the
four corners.
Four corners quarters the wright.
??
My point was that the weight is on four small footprints, rather than
one flat plate that could move around. Washing machines have the same problem and I've royally screwed up flooring pulling ours out. I'm
going to do tile when we figure out what we're doing for the rest of
the house.
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