https://amazon.com/stores/page/345D019C-47DA-4F20-BC98-55620B3C4321?ingress=2&visitId=262a7e4b-8ea5-4c22-a6fa-bdb2232b0993&store_ref=bl_ast_dp_nofrnas_sto&ref_=ast_dp_bln_nofrnas_sto
Any comments on this tool? Is it genius or Rube Goldberg?
Bob
On Wed, 14 Dec 2022 03:55:50 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
https://amazon.com/stores/page/345D019C-47DA-4F20-BC98-55620B3C4321?ingress=2&visitId=262a7e4b-8ea5-4c22-a6fa-bdb2232b0993&store_ref=bl_ast_dp_nofrnas_sto&ref_=ast_dp_bln_nofrnas_sto
Any comments on this tool? Is it genius or Rube Goldberg?
I dislike any of those multi-drivers. I have one in the kitchen junk
drawer but mostly for my wife's use. I usually need more than one >screwdriver at a time (often three, it seems). Changing bits would be
a pain.
https://amazon.com/stores/page/345D019C-47DA-4F20-BC98-55620B3C4321?ingress=2&visitId=262a7e4b-8ea5-4c22-a6fa-bdb2232b0993&store_ref=bl_ast_dp_nofrnas_sto&ref_=ast_dp_bln_nofrnas_sto
Any comments on this tool? Is it genius or Rube Goldberg?
https://amazon.com/stores/page/345D019C-47DA-4F20-BC98-55620B3C4321?ingress=2&visitId=262a7e4b-8ea5-4c22-a6fa-bdb2232b0993&store_ref=bl_ast_dp_nofrnas_sto&ref_=ast_dp_bln_nofrnas_sto
Any comments on this tool? Is it genius or Rube Goldberg?
Bob
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2022 03:55:50 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://amazon.com/stores/page/345D019C-47DA-4F20-BC98-55620B3C4321?ingress=2&visitId=262a7e4b-8ea5-4c22-a6fa-bdb2232b0993&store_ref=bl_ast_dp_nofrnas_sto&ref_=ast_dp_bln_nofrnas_sto
Any comments on this tool? Is it genius or Rube Goldberg?
I dislike any of those multi-drivers. I have one in the kitchen junkI have a 4-in-1 that I tend to reach for first; and a nice set of
drawer but mostly for my wife's use. I usually need more than one >screwdriver at a time (often three, it seems). Changing bits would be
a pain.
Vermont American as backup.
On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 1:02:49 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2022 03:55:50 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis ><wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://amazon.com/stores/page/345D019C-47DA-4F20-BC98-55620B3C4321?ingress=2&visitId=262a7e4b-8ea5-4c22-a6fa-bdb2232b0993&store_ref=bl_ast_dp_nofrnas_sto&ref_=ast_dp_bln_nofrnas_sto
Any comments on this tool? Is it genius or Rube Goldberg?
I'm never been a fan of "all-in-one, multi-use" tools. In general, they tend to be barely passable forI dislike any of those multi-drivers. I have one in the kitchen junk >drawer but mostly for my wife's use. I usually need more than one >screwdriver at a time (often three, it seems). Changing bits would beI have a 4-in-1 that I tend to reach for first; and a nice set of
a pain.
Vermont American as backup.
*any* of their intended functions. IOW "fair" (at best) at everything, not "good" at anything.
That said, I have 2 of these, one in the garage and one in the shop. It's my 99% go-to screwdriver.
It's the exception to the "multi-use is bad" rule.
https://www.grainger.com/product/406R66
My only major complaint is that the shaft is sometimes too thick for some jobs, like screws deep
in a hole.
On Wed, 14 Dec 2022 03:55:50 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
https://amazon.com/stores/page/345D019C-47DA-4F20-BC98-55620B3C4321?ingress=2&visitId=262a7e4b-8ea5-4c22-a6fa-bdb2232b0993&store_ref=bl_ast_dp_nofrnas_sto&ref_=ast_dp_bln_nofrnas_sto
Any comments on this tool? Is it genius or Rube Goldberg?
I dislike any of those multi-drivers. I have one in the kitchen junk
drawer but mostly for my wife's use. I usually need more than one screwdriver at a time (often three, it seems). Changing bits would be
a pain.
Socket wrenches typically need more torque than you can get with a screwdriver handle and there are many 1/4" drive sockets around that
copular be put in a handle (but mainly used for cordless
screwdrivers).
Wera makes rather strange screwdrivers. I broke down and bought them,
even though they don't really fit my hand (that's changed somewhat).
It's really hard to find good screwdrivers anymore so I did buy Wera
sets.
In addition to woodworking, I am a cyclist and do lots of cycle mechanics, as well as bicycle touring, Many bicycles with accessories require torx, hex, phillips, and metric nuts. When I work on these, my work table looks like the layout to support afine surgical operation. I carry a robust toolkit on bicycle tours because I ship my bike partially disassembled and have to assemble it at the start of the tour. My daughter gave me a wera multibit screwdriver last year and I have used it a lot for
The attraction for me about the driver I asked about are several features:
- It accepts 1/4" hex bits without an adaptor
- it accepts 3/8" socket drive without an adaptor
- The handle can be rotated to use as a straight screwdriver or as a right angle screwdriver
- It has fine tooth reversible ratchet.
The two drawbacks I see are:
- for those who hate multibit tools, you will hate this one
- It will not work in tiny cramped spaces - Wera does sell special tiny handles for screws and sockets in tight places
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:29:36 PM UTC-5, gros...@gmail.com wrote: ... if they are asking they probably don't have the knowledge and skill to use more than basic tools anyway.
How rude. Purchasing and using tools well beyond one's need or ability is the hallmark of this usegroup.
Good day, sir. <sniff>
I think you are responding to a tongue in cheek remark.
As far as the OP is concerned, yes he does take trips that are typically
long multiple day rides.
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:29:36 PM UTC-5, gros...@gmail.com wrote: >... if they are asking they probably don't have the knowledge and skill to use more than basic tools anyway.
How rude. Purchasing and using tools well beyond one's need or ability is the hallmark of this usegroup.
Good day, sir. <sniff>
I changed out a lot of the fasteners on my touring bicycles to purposely get rid of the big tool kit... !! I also stick with robust components and sizes that are available almost everywhere. Being in remote and rural areas of the U.S. has adequatelydemonstrated to me that having all the latest gear and lots of different fastener sizes is a problem!
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:01:42 AM UTC-5, Jay Pique wrote:questions in the context of their own experiences. Putting the extracted phrase in the context of the entire paragraph, the REC, and my experiences, I stand by it.
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 9:29:36 PM UTC-5, gros...@gmail.com wrote: >> ... if they are asking they probably don't have the knowledge and skill to use more than basic tools anyway.
How rude. Purchasing and using tools well beyond one's need or ability is the hallmark of this usegroup.
Good day, sir. <sniff>
After 30 years or so I'm quite familiar with the dynamics of this group... One thing that has been pretty consistent among the veteran participants is they generally read the inquiries with an eye towards assessing the needs and skills of those asking
I try to keep need, safety, space, experience, and degree of self confidence in mind when I comment on tools. Same as I don't suggest that everyone take months long bicycle trips I try to be realistic about tools and their use.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:24:14 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
I think you are responding to a tongue in cheek remark.
As far as the OP is concerned, yes he does take trips that are typically
long multiple day rides.
Could be! Reading this group as a diversion from "the real world" has it's down side!
Multiple day? It takes me a week or more to get my touring legs working and my camping routine ironed out... I never seem to use the same exact equipment on each trip so there are learning curves...
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 10:05:00 -0800 (PST), John Grossbohlin <gros...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:24:14 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
I think you are responding to a tongue in cheek remark.
As far as the OP is concerned, yes he does take trips that are typically >> long multiple day rides.
Could be! Reading this group as a diversion from "the real world" has it's down side!
Multiple day? It takes me a week or more to get my touring legs working and my camping routine ironed out... I never seem to use the same exact equipment on each trip so there are learning curves...Ah! Thus my point of moving on to new worlds! ;-)
On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 8:29:36 PM UTC-6, gros...@gmail.com wrote:demonstrated to me that having all the latest gear and lots of different fastener sizes is a problem!
I changed out a lot of the fasteners on my touring bicycles to purposely get rid of the big tool kit... !! I also stick with robust components and sizes that are available almost everywhere. Being in remote and rural areas of the U.S. has adequately
I prefer to carry spare nuts and bolts. Virtually everything is metric and may not be available in a country hardware store. Likewise, the quality of bike fasteners is usually higher grade stainless steel and not likely be found in small towns either.Lastly, I am not trusting any locally sourced fasteners for the rotors on my disc brakes.
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:11:21 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 10:05:00 -0800 (PST), John Grossbohlin <gros...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:24:14 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
I think you are responding to a tongue in cheek remark.
As far as the OP is concerned, yes he does take trips that are typically >> long multiple day rides.
Could be! Reading this group as a diversion from "the real world" has it's down side!
I've been thinking about requesting "Adventurer" on my gravestone as an epitaph... Other potential ones are "The worst days make for the best stories" and "If you go looking for adventure don't complain when you find it." ;~)Multiple day? It takes me a week or more to get my touring legs working and my camping routine ironed out... I never seem to use the same exact equipment on each trip so there are learning curves...Ah! Thus my point of moving on to new worlds! ;-)
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 1:11:21 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 10:05:00 -0800 (PST), John Grossbohlin
<gros...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:24:14 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Ah! Thus my point of moving on to new worlds! ;-)
I think you are responding to a tongue in cheek remark.
As far as the OP is concerned, yes he does take trips that are typically >> >> long multiple day rides.
Could be! Reading this group as a diversion from "the real world" has it's down side!
Multiple day? It takes me a week or more to get my touring legs working and my camping routine ironed out... I never seem to use the same exact equipment on each trip so there are learning curves...
I've been thinking about requesting "Adventurer" on my gravestone as an epitaph... Other potential ones are "The worst days make for the best stories" and "If you go looking for adventure don't complain when you find it." ;~)
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 10:48:31 -0800 (PST), John Grossbohlin
I've been thinking about requesting "Adventurer" on my gravestone as an epitaph... Other potential ones are "The worst days make for the best stories" and "If you go looking for adventure don't complain when you find it." ;~)
I like the last one. I may steal it.
On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:29:09 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:fine surgical operation. I carry a robust toolkit on bicycle tours because I ship my bike partially disassembled and have to assemble it at the start of the tour. My daughter gave me a wera multibit screwdriver last year and I have used it a lot for
On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 1:02:49 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2022 03:55:50 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis ><wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
https://amazon.com/stores/page/345D019C-47DA-4F20-BC98-55620B3C4321?ingress=2&visitId=262a7e4b-8ea5-4c22-a6fa-bdb2232b0993&store_ref=bl_ast_dp_nofrnas_sto&ref_=ast_dp_bln_nofrnas_sto
Any comments on this tool? Is it genius or Rube Goldberg?
I'm never been a fan of "all-in-one, multi-use" tools. In general, they tend to be barely passable forI dislike any of those multi-drivers. I have one in the kitchen junk >drawer but mostly for my wife's use. I usually need more than one >screwdriver at a time (often three, it seems). Changing bits would be >a pain.I have a 4-in-1 that I tend to reach for first; and a nice set of Vermont American as backup.
*any* of their intended functions. IOW "fair" (at best) at everything, not "good" at anything.
That said, I have 2 of these, one in the garage and one in the shop. It's my 99% go-to screwdriver.
It's the exception to the "multi-use is bad" rule.
https://www.grainger.com/product/406R66
My only major complaint is that the shaft is sometimes too thick for some jobs, like screws deepIn addition to woodworking, I am a cyclist and do lots of cycle mechanics, as well as bicycle touring, Many bicycles with accessories require torx, hex, phillips, and metric nuts. When I work on these, my work table looks like the layout to support a
in a hole.
The attraction for me about the driver I asked about are several features:
- It accepts 1/4" hex bits without an adaptor
- it accepts 3/8" socket drive without an adaptor
- The handle can be rotated to use as a straight screwdriver or as a right angle screwdriver
- It has fine tooth reversible ratchet.
The two drawbacks I see are:
- for those who hate multibit tools, you will hate this one
- It will not work in tiny cramped spaces - Wera does sell special tiny handles for screws and sockets in tight places
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