Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were
being discussed.


I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever
seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a
square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did
not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.

I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160
pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320
passes.

The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being
process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding
all of those sharp edged pieces.


Soooo I have changed my mind about a coping sled for the router table.
However the one I have ordered works like mine. It references off of
the fence and does not use the miter slot.

And it is remarkably less expensive than the competition, especially the $370.00 diamond encrusted version that Woodpeckers tries to sell. ;~)

https://www.woodpeck.com/iron-grip-coping-sled.html


The one I ordered. I got it for $69.99 at $20 off with free shipping.

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-rail-coping-sled

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On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:25:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were
being discussed.

I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever
seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a
square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did
not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.

I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160
pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320
passes.

The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being
process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding
all of those sharp edged pieces.

Soooo I have changed my mind about a coping sled for the router table. >However the one I have ordered works like mine. It references off of
the fence and does not use the miter slot.

And it is remarkably less expensive than the competition, especially the >$370.00 diamond encrusted version that Woodpeckers tries to sell. ;~)

https://www.woodpeck.com/iron-grip-coping-sled.html

The one I ordered. I got it for $69.99 at $20 off with free shipping.

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-rail-coping-sled

This one puts Woodpeckers' to shame

<https://jessem.com/products/mite-r-slide> <https://jessem.com/products/mast-r-fence-ii>

I bought these at a the end of a woodworking show for $225. They're
blue instead of red so may have been branded Kreg.

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On 12/1/2022 7:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:25:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were
being discussed.


I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever
seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a
square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did
not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.

I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160
pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320
passes.

The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being
process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding
all of those sharp edged pieces.


Soooo I have changed my mind about a coping sled for the router table.
However the one I have ordered works like mine. It references off of
the fence and does not use the miter slot.

And it is remarkably less expensive than the competition, especially the
$370.00 diamond encrusted version that Woodpeckers tries to sell. ;~)

https://www.woodpeck.com/iron-grip-coping-sled.html


The one I ordered. I got it for $69.99 at $20 off with free shipping.

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-rail-coping-sled

This one puts Woodpeckers' to shame

<https://jessem.com/products/mite-r-slide> <https://jessem.com/products/mast-r-fence-ii>

I bought these at a the end of a woodworking show for $225. They're
blue instead of red so may have been branded Kreg.

s thinking about replacing my router table fence. I have the Bench Dog
Pro fence. Compared to the Jessem, the clamping/attachment method
differs. The Bench Dog squeezes the table top on the sides and has sacrificial MDF fences. My fence slipped a time or two during the
process describe above and I thought the Jessem would have a better grip.

I think some PSA sand paper on the bottom of the new Jessem phenolic top
will work.

And I looked closely at both of the Jessem miter sleds. Both the one
you pointed out and the newer Mite R Slide II.

BUT neither would address the reason for me buying the sled. I don't
see a way to quickly fasten the work in place. And that was my issue,
holding the work tightly with my fingers. It is not often that I will
need to use the sled at an angle, and if I do I will do it the old way
with a piece of plywood cut at the proper angle.

For the fences, the method of attachment is the only real difference
between my current fence and the Mast R Fence II and III I decided to
not get the fence. I also wanted the micro adjust attachment so I am
looking in the $400 range and basically to be able to micro adjust. I
have lived with out micro adjust for 40 years...

The newest TA Jessem router fence looks to be a collaborative effort
from Jessem and Woodpeckers. Way way over engineered. I some times
wonder if these tools, both companies, are designed by actual
woodworkers. Instead of the twin bars that go into slots behind the
out feed fence it uses 2 micro adjustments. And aluminum fences on the cutting side!

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On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 1:25:58 PM UTC-8, Leon wrote:

Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were
being discussed.

I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever
seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a
square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did
not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.

I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160
pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320
passes.

The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being
process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding
all of those sharp edged pieces.

I went the other way for edges; instead of a router table, make a two-screw type
vise to hold the board vertically, with the end clamped flush to an attached table with a fence.

Two-screw vise like this <https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/tools/workshop/workbenches/vises/45114-veritas-twin-screw-vise>

was too much work, so I did a pair-of-wedges equivalent; just slide the moving wedge a bit to the
left with a mallet to clamp, mallet applied to the right releases the board... The table top and fence attach to a fixed jaw (plate, really) underneath, the board
goes up to an aperture in the top (usually positioned flush with the top). Plate/board/wedge-that-presses/wedge-that-slides/fixed-to-plate frame completes the undercarriage of the system.

Pix here
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/nm2ERGKJSyNTKoQz8>

I used two wedges because that way you can cut 'em both from a single parallel-sides
2x4, and slide 'em against each other with no endgrain to complicate matters. The table aperture is good for 10" width boards, and the wedges allow for minor variations in board thickness (probably 0.5" to 1.5"); the router base has plenty
of surface to engage. Nothing I've wanted to edge failed to fit.

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On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 3:25:58 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were
being discussed.

I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever
seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a
square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did
not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.

I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160
pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320
passes.

The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being
process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding
all of those sharp edged pieces.

Soooo I have changed my mind about a coping sled for the router table. However the one I have ordered works like mine. It references off of
the fence and does not use the miter slot.

And it is remarkably less expensive than the competition, especially the $370.00 diamond encrusted version that Woodpeckers tries to sell. ;~)

https://www.woodpeck.com/iron-grip-coping-sled.html

The one I ordered. I got it for $69.99 at $20 off with free shipping.

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-rail-coping-sled

I got a sled because I could not hold that plywood tight for multiple passes. It took too much concentration for me. I did not do a lot of research, though I liked the mostly metal woodpecker sled. The original version was just fine. All they changed
was the clamping mechanism and jacked the price way up. I found the original version at incremental tools for $159.

https://www.incrementaltools.com/Woodpeckers_Coping_Sled_p/wpcopesled1.htm

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On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 10:14:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

On 12/1/2022 7:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:25:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were
being discussed.


I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever
seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a
square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did
not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.

I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160
pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320
passes.

The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being
process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding
all of those sharp edged pieces.


Soooo I have changed my mind about a coping sled for the router table.
However the one I have ordered works like mine. It references off of
the fence and does not use the miter slot.

And it is remarkably less expensive than the competition, especially the >>> $370.00 diamond encrusted version that Woodpeckers tries to sell. ;~)

https://www.woodpeck.com/iron-grip-coping-sled.html


The one I ordered. I got it for $69.99 at $20 off with free shipping.

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-rail-coping-sled

This one puts Woodpeckers' to shame

<https://jessem.com/products/mite-r-slide>
<https://jessem.com/products/mast-r-fence-ii>

I bought these at a the end of a woodworking show for $225. They're
blue instead of red so may have been branded Kreg.

s thinking about replacing my router table fence. I have the Bench Dog
Pro fence. Compared to the Jessem, the clamping/attachment method
differs. The Bench Dog squeezes the table top on the sides and has >sacrificial MDF fences. My fence slipped a time or two during the
process describe above and I thought the Jessem would have a better grip.

The Jessem has sacrificial MDF fences too. They're laminate of some
sort, perhaps Formica but it's replaceable. Perhaps UHMW.

I think some PSA sand paper on the bottom of the new Jessem phenolic top
will work.

And I looked closely at both of the Jessem miter sleds. Both the one
you pointed out and the newer Mite R Slide II.

BUT neither would address the reason for me buying the sled. I don't
see a way to quickly fasten the work in place. And that was my issue, >holding the work tightly with my fingers. It is not often that I will
need to use the sled at an angle, and if I do I will do it the old way
with a piece of plywood cut at the proper angle.

For the fences, the method of attachment is the only real difference
between my current fence and the Mast R Fence II and III I decided to
not get the fence. I also wanted the micro adjust attachment so I am >looking in the $400 range and basically to be able to micro adjust. I
have lived with out micro adjust for 40 years...

Decent fences aren't cheap. JessEm has a micro-adjuster. <https://jessem.com/products/new-micro-adjuster>
You could probably get a Woodpeckers to work too, though not saving
any money, I'm sure.

The newest TA Jessem router fence looks to be a collaborative effort
from Jessem and Woodpeckers. Way way over engineered. I some times
wonder if these tools, both companies, are designed by actual
woodworkers. Instead of the twin bars that go into slots behind the
out feed fence it uses 2 micro adjustments. And aluminum fences on the >cutting side!

They're trying to make a jointer out of a router table.

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Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> on Fri, 2 Dec 2022 18:38:36 -0800
(PST) typed in rec.woodworking the following:

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 3:25:58 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were
being discussed.
I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever
seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a
square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did
not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.
I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160
pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320
passes.
The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being
process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding
all of those sharp edged pieces.
Soooo I have changed my mind about a coping sled for the router table.
However the one I have ordered works like mine. It references off of
the fence and does not use the miter slot.
And it is remarkably less expensive than the competition, especially the
$370.00 diamond encrusted version that Woodpeckers tries to sell. ;~)
https://www.woodpeck.com/iron-grip-coping-sled.html
The one I ordered. I got it for $69.99 at $20 off with free shipping.
https://www.rockler.com/rockler-rail-coping-sled

I got a sled because I could not hold that plywood tight for multiple passes. It took too much concentration for me. I did not do a lot of research, though I liked the mostly metal woodpecker sled. The original version was just fine. All they changed

was the clamping mechanism and jacked the price way up. I found the original version at incremental tools for $159.

https://www.incrementaltools.com/Woodpeckers_Coping_Sled_p/wpcopesled1.htm

I look at these ads, and think to myself: this is for people who
like gadgets, have lots of money, and lots of space to keep and use
them. Which is not to say that sled, fixtures and jigs are not
necessary, but sheesh. I'm not running semi-production, I'm desirous
of learning the skills, and not having the machine have all the skills
built in.
Fnord, I can see it being possible to completely automate the production of tables, chairs, furniture, etc, etc. With three levels
of final production: beginner, skilled amateur, and professional. All
you do is chose the wood, the bots do the rest.
"Sure it's art, but it is really wood working?" *

tschus
pyotr

* I saw a cartoon, two working blokes in the sculpture wing of a
modern art museum. caption "Sure it's art Bert, but can you really
call it welding?"
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

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On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:33:05 AM UTC-6, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Bob Davis <wrober...@gmail.com> on Fri, 2 Dec 2022 18:38:36 -0800
(PST) typed in rec.woodworking the following:

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 3:25:58 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were
being discussed.
I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever
seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a
square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did >> not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.
I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160
pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320
passes.
The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being
process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding
all of those sharp edged pieces.
Soooo I have changed my mind about a coping sled for the router table.
However the one I have ordered works like mine. It references off of
the fence and does not use the miter slot.
And it is remarkably less expensive than the competition, especially the >> $370.00 diamond encrusted version that Woodpeckers tries to sell. ;~)
https://www.woodpeck.com/iron-grip-coping-sled.html
The one I ordered. I got it for $69.99 at $20 off with free shipping.
https://www.rockler.com/rockler-rail-coping-sled

I got a sled because I could not hold that plywood tight for multiple passes. It took too much concentration for me. I did not do a lot of research, though I liked the mostly metal woodpecker sled. The original version was just fine. All they changed

was the clamping mechanism and jacked the price way up. I found the original version at incremental tools for $159.

https://www.incrementaltools.com/Woodpeckers_Coping_Sled_p/wpcopesled1.htm

I look at these ads, and think to myself: this is for people who
like gadgets, have lots of money, and lots of space to keep and use
them. Which is not to say that sled, fixtures and jigs are not
necessary, but sheesh. I'm not running semi-production, I'm desirous
of learning the skills, and not having the machine have all the skills
built in.
Fnord, I can see it being possible to completely automate the
production of tables, chairs, furniture, etc, etc. With three levels
of final production: beginner, skilled amateur, and professional. All
you do is chose the wood, the bots do the rest.
"Sure it's art, but it is really wood working?" *

tschus
pyotr

* I saw a cartoon, two working blokes in the sculpture wing of a
modern art museum. caption "Sure it's art Bert, but can you really
call it welding?"
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

Dear Mr. Oscar the grouch,

Please keep your opinions on the subject, not the people.

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On Sun, 04 Dec 2022 08:33:06 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> on Fri, 2 Dec 2022 18:38:36 -0800
(PST) typed in rec.woodworking the following:

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 3:25:58 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were
being discussed.
I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever
seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a
square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did
not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.
I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160
pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320
passes.
The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being
process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding
all of those sharp edged pieces.
Soooo I have changed my mind about a coping sled for the router table.
However the one I have ordered works like mine. It references off of
the fence and does not use the miter slot.
And it is remarkably less expensive than the competition, especially the >>> $370.00 diamond encrusted version that Woodpeckers tries to sell. ;~)
https://www.woodpeck.com/iron-grip-coping-sled.html
The one I ordered. I got it for $69.99 at $20 off with free shipping.
https://www.rockler.com/rockler-rail-coping-sled

I got a sled because I could not hold that plywood tight for multiple passes. It took too much concentration for me. I did not do a lot of research, though I liked the mostly metal woodpecker sled. The original version was just fine. All they

changed was the clamping mechanism and jacked the price way up. I found the original version at incremental tools for $159.

https://www.incrementaltools.com/Woodpeckers_Coping_Sled_p/wpcopesled1.htm

I look at these ads, and think to myself: this is for people who
like gadgets, have lots of money, and lots of space to keep and use
them. Which is not to say that sled, fixtures and jigs are not
necessary, but sheesh. I'm not running semi-production, I'm desirous
of learning the skills, and not having the machine have all the skills
built in.

I'm not sure how a sled has "all the skills built in". DO have a
random orbital sander? A cordless drill? Table saw? Those seem a
little "Normy", too.

Yes, I have loads of space. More than I'll use but not enough where I
want it. I want all of it next to my DC and that doesn't seem to be
possible. ;-)

Fnord, I can see it being possible to completely automate the
production of tables, chairs, furniture, etc, etc. With three levels
of final production: beginner, skilled amateur, and professional. All
you do is chose the wood, the bots do the rest.
"Sure it's art, but it is really wood working?" *

Different skills. Different toys. There is more than one way to skin
a cat. It's fun to try new ones. That's why I do it. It's certainly
not a business nor do I want it to be.

tschus
pyotr

* I saw a cartoon, two working blokes in the sculpture wing of a
modern art museum. caption "Sure it's art Bert, but can you really
call it welding?"

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On 12/3/2022 10:59 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 10:14:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

On 12/1/2022 7:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:25:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were
being discussed.


I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever >>>> seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a
square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did >>>> not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.

I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160
pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320
passes.

The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being
process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding >>>> all of those sharp edged pieces.


Soooo I have changed my mind about a coping sled for the router table. >>>> However the one I have ordered works like mine. It references off of >>>> the fence and does not use the miter slot.

And it is remarkably less expensive than the competition, especially the >>>> $370.00 diamond encrusted version that Woodpeckers tries to sell. ;~) >>>>
https://www.woodpeck.com/iron-grip-coping-sled.html


The one I ordered. I got it for $69.99 at $20 off with free shipping. >>>>
https://www.rockler.com/rockler-rail-coping-sled

This one puts Woodpeckers' to shame

<https://jessem.com/products/mite-r-slide>
<https://jessem.com/products/mast-r-fence-ii>

I bought these at a the end of a woodworking show for $225. They're
blue instead of red so may have been branded Kreg.

s thinking about replacing my router table fence. I have the Bench Dog
Pro fence. Compared to the Jessem, the clamping/attachment method
differs. The Bench Dog squeezes the table top on the sides and has
sacrificial MDF fences. My fence slipped a time or two during the
process describe above and I thought the Jessem would have a better grip.

The Jessem has sacrificial MDF fences too. They're laminate of some
sort, perhaps Formica but it's replaceable. Perhaps UHMW.

Yes but no clamp to hold the work from slipping. My last milling job
was putting a bull nose on both ends of 160 small pieces of wood, so 320 passes.

I think some PSA sand paper on the bottom of the new Jessem phenolic top
will work.

And I looked closely at both of the Jessem miter sleds. Both the one
you pointed out and the newer Mite R Slide II.

BUT neither would address the reason for me buying the sled. I don't
see a way to quickly fasten the work in place. And that was my issue,
holding the work tightly with my fingers. It is not often that I will
need to use the sled at an angle, and if I do I will do it the old way
with a piece of plywood cut at the proper angle.

For the fences, the method of attachment is the only real difference
between my current fence and the Mast R Fence II and III I decided to
not get the fence. I also wanted the micro adjust attachment so I am
looking in the $400 range and basically to be able to micro adjust. I
have lived with out micro adjust for 40 years...

Decent fences aren't cheap. JessEm has a micro-adjuster. <https://jessem.com/products/new-micro-adjuster>
You could probably get a Woodpeckers to work too, though not saving
any money, I'm sure.

I thought about that. Since there is no track, like the Jessem, the
micro adjuster would not have anything to clamp down to.
My current fence uses a pivot type clamp, not the typical t-bolt that
fits a t-slot.

The newest TA Jessem router fence looks to be a collaborative effort
from Jessem and Woodpeckers. Way way over engineered. I some times
wonder if these tools, both companies, are designed by actual
woodworkers. Instead of the twin bars that go into slots behind the
out feed fence it uses 2 micro adjustments. And aluminum fences on the
cutting side!

They're trying to make a jointer out of a router table.

Most all fences these days have the feature to use the router table as a
small jointer. Although this one, the TA allows minute adjustments vs.
a fixed 1/32" or 1/16". And the aluminum fences on the TA do not seem
like a good idea.

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On 12/2/2022 8:38 PM, Bob Davis wrote:

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 3:25:58 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were
being discussed.


I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever
seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a
square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did
not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.

I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160
pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320
passes.

The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being
process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding
all of those sharp edged pieces.


Soooo I have changed my mind about a coping sled for the router table.
However the one I have ordered works like mine. It references off of
the fence and does not use the miter slot.

And it is remarkably less expensive than the competition, especially the
$370.00 diamond encrusted version that Woodpeckers tries to sell. ;~)

https://www.woodpeck.com/iron-grip-coping-sled.html


The one I ordered. I got it for $69.99 at $20 off with free shipping.

https://www.rockler.com/rockler-rail-coping-sled

I got a sled because I could not hold that plywood tight for multiple passes. It took too much concentration for me. I did not do a lot of research, though I liked the mostly metal woodpecker sled. The original version was just fine. All they

changed was the clamping mechanism and jacked the price way up. I found the original version at incremental tools for $159.

https://www.incrementaltools.com/Woodpeckers_Coping_Sled_p/wpcopesled1.htm

I looked at both. I always used a plywood square to position and push
the work through. That was quick and predictable. But the sled would
make it easier to hold the work although more time consuming. I wanted
a sled that indexed off of the fence, as your does, but also one that
allowed quick placement and removal of the part.
I have a mental issue with clamps that require repeated twisting and
untwisting for moments at a time. In other words clamps that require
more time to apply and loosen than it does to mill the end of a board.
The toggle clamp caught my eye. Same with my Kapex miter saw with the
quick flip lever for the clamp.

I don't see much advantage to the iron grip sled, the modified version
of yours. It seems that the Spring Steel clamp pad might actually mar
the work. Especially when using softer woods like poplar or walnut.

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On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 09:10:54 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

On 12/3/2022 10:59 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 10:14:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

On 12/1/2022 7:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:25:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>

Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were
being discussed.


I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever >>>>> seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a
square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did >>>>> not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.

I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160
pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320 >>>>> passes.

The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being
process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding >>>>> all of those sharp edged pieces.


Soooo I have changed my mind about a coping sled for the router table. >>>>> However the one I have ordered works like mine. It references off of >>>>> the fence and does not use the miter slot.

And it is remarkably less expensive than the competition, especially the >>>>> $370.00 diamond encrusted version that Woodpeckers tries to sell. ;~) >>>>>
https://www.woodpeck.com/iron-grip-coping-sled.html


The one I ordered. I got it for $69.99 at $20 off with free shipping. >>>>>
https://www.rockler.com/rockler-rail-coping-sled

This one puts Woodpeckers' to shame

<https://jessem.com/products/mite-r-slide>
<https://jessem.com/products/mast-r-fence-ii>

I bought these at a the end of a woodworking show for $225. They're
blue instead of red so may have been branded Kreg.

s thinking about replacing my router table fence. I have the Bench Dog >>> Pro fence. Compared to the Jessem, the clamping/attachment method
differs. The Bench Dog squeezes the table top on the sides and has
sacrificial MDF fences. My fence slipped a time or two during the
process describe above and I thought the Jessem would have a better grip. >>

The Jessem has sacrificial MDF fences too. They're laminate of some
sort, perhaps Formica but it's replaceable. Perhaps UHMW.

Yes but no clamp to hold the work from slipping. My last milling job
was putting a bull nose on both ends of 160 small pieces of wood, so 320 >passes.

I just walked over to take a look at it and I don't see a way of
adding one, without pretty much adding another complete sled to it.

I think some PSA sand paper on the bottom of the new Jessem phenolic top >>> will work.

And I looked closely at both of the Jessem miter sleds. Both the one
you pointed out and the newer Mite R Slide II.

BUT neither would address the reason for me buying the sled. I don't
see a way to quickly fasten the work in place. And that was my issue,
holding the work tightly with my fingers. It is not often that I will >>> need to use the sled at an angle, and if I do I will do it the old way
with a piece of plywood cut at the proper angle.

For the fences, the method of attachment is the only real difference
between my current fence and the Mast R Fence II and III I decided to
not get the fence. I also wanted the micro adjust attachment so I am
looking in the $400 range and basically to be able to micro adjust. I
have lived with out micro adjust for 40 years...

Decent fences aren't cheap. JessEm has a micro-adjuster.
<https://jessem.com/products/new-micro-adjuster>
You could probably get a Woodpeckers to work too, though not saving
any money, I'm sure.

I thought about that. Since there is no track, like the Jessem, the
micro adjuster would not have anything to clamp down to.
My current fence uses a pivot type clamp, not the typical t-bolt that
fits a t-slot.

The newest TA Jessem router fence looks to be a collaborative effort >>>from Jessem and Woodpeckers. Way way over engineered. I some times
wonder if these tools, both companies, are designed by actual
woodworkers. Instead of the twin bars that go into slots behind the
out feed fence it uses 2 micro adjustments. And aluminum fences on the >>> cutting side!

They're trying to make a jointer out of a router table.

Most all fences these days have the feature to use the router table as a >small jointer. Although this one, the TA allows minute adjustments vs.
a fixed 1/32" or 1/16". And the aluminum fences on the TA do not seem
like a good idea.

I'd rather have the fence guaranteed to be coplanar than to have a
dial go wonky. Particularly if both infeed and outfeed are on
different adjusters (added imprecision).

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On 12/5/2022 6:30 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 09:10:54 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

On 12/3/2022 10:59 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Fri, 2 Dec 2022 10:14:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

On 12/1/2022 7:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:25:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>

Soooo some time back this year coping sleds for a router table were >>>>>> being discussed.


I was wondering why anyone used a coping sled, the only one I had ever >>>>>> seen used the miter slot to guide the sled. For decades I used a >>>>>> square piece of plywood to square the work against the fence and it did >>>>>> not use the miter router table slot to guide the sled.

I also recently use this exact same process to run both ends of 160 >>>>>> pieces of parts for trivets to add a bull nose to both ends. So 320 >>>>>> passes.

The pieces were about 6" long by 3/4" wide and 1/2" tall when being >>>>>> process the on the router table. My fingers were toast after holding >>>>>> all of those sharp edged pieces.


Soooo I have changed my mind about a coping sled for the router table. >>>>>> However the one I have ordered works like mine. It references off of >>>>>> the fence and does not use the miter slot.

And it is remarkably less expensive than the competition, especially the >>>>>> $370.00 diamond encrusted version that Woodpeckers tries to sell. ;~) >>>>>>
https://www.woodpeck.com/iron-grip-coping-sled.html


The one I ordered. I got it for $69.99 at $20 off with free shipping. >>>>>>
https://www.rockler.com/rockler-rail-coping-sled

This one puts Woodpeckers' to shame

<https://jessem.com/products/mite-r-slide>
<https://jessem.com/products/mast-r-fence-ii>

I bought these at a the end of a woodworking show for $225. They're
blue instead of red so may have been branded Kreg.

s thinking about replacing my router table fence. I have the Bench Dog >>>> Pro fence. Compared to the Jessem, the clamping/attachment method
differs. The Bench Dog squeezes the table top on the sides and has
sacrificial MDF fences. My fence slipped a time or two during the
process describe above and I thought the Jessem would have a better grip. >>>

The Jessem has sacrificial MDF fences too. They're laminate of some
sort, perhaps Formica but it's replaceable. Perhaps UHMW.

Yes but no clamp to hold the work from slipping. My last milling job
was putting a bull nose on both ends of 160 small pieces of wood, so 320
passes.

I just walked over to take a look at it and I don't see a way of
adding one, without pretty much adding another complete sled to it.

"MAYBE" adding a sacrificial fence with a toggle clamp attached.

I think some PSA sand paper on the bottom of the new Jessem phenolic top >>>> will work.

And I looked closely at both of the Jessem miter sleds. Both the one >>>> you pointed out and the newer Mite R Slide II.

BUT neither would address the reason for me buying the sled. I don't >>>> see a way to quickly fasten the work in place. And that was my issue, >>>> holding the work tightly with my fingers. It is not often that I will >>>> need to use the sled at an angle, and if I do I will do it the old way >>>> with a piece of plywood cut at the proper angle.

For the fences, the method of attachment is the only real difference
between my current fence and the Mast R Fence II and III I decided to
not get the fence. I also wanted the micro adjust attachment so I am >>>> looking in the $400 range and basically to be able to micro adjust. I >>>> have lived with out micro adjust for 40 years...

Decent fences aren't cheap. JessEm has a micro-adjuster.
<https://jessem.com/products/new-micro-adjuster>
You could probably get a Woodpeckers to work too, though not saving
any money, I'm sure.

I thought about that. Since there is no track, like the Jessem, the
micro adjuster would not have anything to clamp down to.
My current fence uses a pivot type clamp, not the typical t-bolt that
fits a t-slot.

The newest TA Jessem router fence looks to be a collaborative effort
from Jessem and Woodpeckers. Way way over engineered. I some times >>>> wonder if these tools, both companies, are designed by actual
woodworkers. Instead of the twin bars that go into slots behind the
out feed fence it uses 2 micro adjustments. And aluminum fences on the >>>> cutting side!

They're trying to make a jointer out of a router table.

Most all fences these days have the feature to use the router table as a
small jointer. Although this one, the TA allows minute adjustments vs.
a fixed 1/32" or 1/16". And the aluminum fences on the TA do not seem
like a good idea.

I'd rather have the fence guaranteed to be coplanar than to have a
dial go wonky. Particularly if both infeed and outfeed are on
different adjusters (added imprecision).

Agreed. A known fixed adjustment seems more predictable then 2
adjustment dials on the outfeed. Unless they are trying to create an arc.

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On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 7:30:26 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:

I'd rather have the fence guaranteed to be coplanar than to have a
dial go wonky. Particularly if both infeed and outfeed are on
different adjusters (added imprecision).

I had to replace an old Shaker style milk door so I just picked up a TF 130 PS. No regrets. Couple big fences to hide behind, too.
-JP

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