• drawings of wooden planes

    From TimW@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 31 11:39:24 2022
    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
    for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
    online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
    some of them good.
    TW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to TimW on Mon Oct 31 10:15:37 2022
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:39:24 +0000, TimW <timw@nothanks.com> wrote:

    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
    for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
    online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
    some of them good.
    TW



    Konrad Sauer makes some lovely hand planes.
    Check out his photo galleries and get inspired :

    http://www.sauerandsteiner.com/traditional

    John T.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bill@21:1/5 to TimW on Mon Oct 31 13:02:12 2022
    On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
    for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
    online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
    some of them good.
    TW



    My first thought is that plane making is an old technology that has been perfected over decades, and that you should take advantage of it if you
    are going to make some. Not really a book on plane *making*, but
    Garrett Hack's book, "The Handplane Book", made me fall in love with handplanes. I just looked it up to figure out whether "handplane" is
    supposed to be one word or two, and noticed that it is currently $82
    (ouch) at Amazon. Your local library probably has a copy! I noticed
    they had several books on "plane making" for under $20.

    If your scraper plane is supposed to produce a "ribbon", as I expect,
    then I think that the "details" (involving the tongue and chip breaker
    etc.) will be critical to its performance.

    One last thought. You've probably already thought about this, but just
    in case, it probably makes sense to get the blade first and then build a
    plane that will accommodate it. I hope you will share how your
    "project" works out! Good luck and have fun!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Bill on Mon Oct 31 18:25:44 2022
    Bill <nonegiven@att.net> writes:
    On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
    for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
    online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
    some of them good.
    TW



    My first thought is that plane making is an old technology that has been >perfected over decades, and that you should take advantage of it if you
    are going to make some. Not really a book on plane *making*, but
    Garrett Hack's book, "The Handplane Book", made me fall in love with >handplanes. I just looked it up to figure out whether "handplane" is >supposed to be one word or two, and noticed that it is currently $82
    (ouch) at Amazon. Your local library probably has a copy! I noticed
    they had several books on "plane making" for under $20.

    If your scraper plane is supposed to produce a "ribbon", as I expect,
    then I think that the "details" (involving the tongue and chip breaker
    etc.) will be critical to its performance.

    A scraper plane is a speciallized plane, that when tuned properly,
    produces small curlicues (and if not properly tuned, dust).

    The blade is held close to vertical with respect to the surface.

    http://www.sawdustandshavings.com/hand_tools/stanley_no_80_review.asp

    A google image search for "wooden scraper plane" turns up many
    possibilites to use as a general pattern.

    Here are some blades:

    https://www.hocktools.com/products/sb.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 31 14:23:06 2022
    TimW <timw@nothanks.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:39:24 +0000 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
    for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
    online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
    some of them good.

    Sounds like you want a tool for holding a scraper.

    The trick here is getting the proper edge on the scraper.
    Basically, you want to roll the edge of the scraper to put a fine burr
    on the blade.
    (ASCII art follows)
    |
    |
    |
    |
    |
    L

    the L is where the edge has been "pushed over" making the burr which
    does the actual "scrape" to remover wood fibers.

    Scraper planes just hold the scraper at the proper angle vertically to
    have that L engage the wood. Easier on the thumbs.

    If you google on scraper blade planes you find all sort of images. Personally, this week, I'm not doing enough to justify the hassle of
    setting up a scraper plane. Next month is another subject.
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to Ed Pawlowski on Mon Oct 31 20:52:12 2022
    On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 21:21:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
    for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
    online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
    some of them good.
    TW



    Do a little research for Steve Knight planes. I have one of his and it
    is a joy to use. The blade is very important too.

    https://www.handplane.com/7/knight-toolworks-good-solid-handplanes/


    https://www.finewoodworking.com/2010/10/28/interview-with-plane-maker-steve-knight


    I have a couple he made for me, his site is no longer active. They
    leave a real nice planed finish rather than a sanded one.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ed Pawlowski@21:1/5 to TimW on Mon Oct 31 21:21:35 2022
    On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
    for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
    online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
    some of them good.
    TW



    Do a little research for Steve Knight planes. I have one of his and it
    is a joy to use. The blade is very important too.

    https://www.handplane.com/7/knight-toolworks-good-solid-handplanes/


    https://www.finewoodworking.com/2010/10/28/interview-with-plane-maker-steve-knight

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Ed Pawlowski on Tue Nov 1 10:42:52 2022
    On 10/31/2022 8:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
    On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
    for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
    online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane
    making, some of them good.
    TW



    Do a little research for Steve Knight planes.  I have one of his and it
    is a joy to use.  The blade is very important too.

    https://www.handplane.com/7/knight-toolworks-good-solid-handplanes/


    https://www.finewoodworking.com/2010/10/28/interview-with-plane-maker-steve-knight


    Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore. I used to
    sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
    switched over to providing the planes as a kit. And I have not seen
    anything from him in a very long time.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ed Pawlowski@21:1/5 to Leon on Tue Nov 1 23:22:06 2022
    On 11/1/2022 11:42 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 10/31/2022 8:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
    On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg
    vertical for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a
    starting point online somewhere? where? I see there are a few
    youtubes of plane making, some of them good.
    TW



    Do a little research for Steve Knight planes.  I have one of his and
    it is a joy to use.  The blade is very important too.

    https://www.handplane.com/7/knight-toolworks-good-solid-handplanes/


    https://www.finewoodworking.com/2010/10/28/interview-with-plane-maker-steve-knight


    Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore.   I used to
    sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
    switched over to providing the planes as a kit.   And I have not seen anything from him in a very long time.

    OTOH, the OP was looking for a drawing as a starting point. He could
    get some good ideas from photos of Knight planes for style and proportion.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Ed Pawlowski on Wed Nov 2 07:55:21 2022
    On 11/1/2022 10:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
    On 11/1/2022 11:42 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 10/31/2022 8:21 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
    On 10/31/2022 7:39 AM, TimW wrote:
    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg
    vertical for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a
    starting point online somewhere? where? I see there are a few
    youtubes of plane making, some of them good.
    TW



    Do a little research for Steve Knight planes.  I have one of his and
    it is a joy to use.  The blade is very important too.

    https://www.handplane.com/7/knight-toolworks-good-solid-handplanes/


    https://www.finewoodworking.com/2010/10/28/interview-with-plane-maker-steve-knight


    Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore.   I used to
    sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
    switched over to providing the planes as a kit.   And I have not seen
    anything from him in a very long time.

    OTOH, the OP was looking for a drawing as a starting point.  He could
    get some good ideas from photos of Knight planes for style and proportion.


    Absolutely, If you can get detailed multi angled pictures.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 2 08:11:46 2022
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Wed, 2 Nov 2022 07:55:21 -0500 typed
    in rec.woodworking the following:

    Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore. I used to
    sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
    switched over to providing the planes as a kit. And I have not seen
    anything from him in a very long time.

    OTOH, the OP was looking for a drawing as a starting point. He could
    get some good ideas from photos of Knight planes for style and proportion.


    Absolutely, If you can get detailed multi angled pictures.

    Do you guys need complete orthographic projection drawings to make everything, or can you draw up your own "working" drawings based on
    what you've seen and how you figure it ought to go?
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Michael@21:1/5 to pyotr filipivich on Wed Nov 2 17:31:32 2022
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:11:46 AM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Wed, 2 Nov 2022 07:55:21 -0500 typed
    in rec.woodworking the following:

    Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore. I used to
    sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
    switched over to providing the planes as a kit. And I have not seen
    anything from him in a very long time.

    OTOH, the OP was looking for a drawing as a starting point. He could
    get some good ideas from photos of Knight planes for style and proportion.


    Absolutely, If you can get detailed multi angled pictures.
    Do you guys need complete orthographic projection drawings to make everything, or can you draw up your own "working" drawings based on
    what you've seen and how you figure it ought to go?
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

    Something like this maybe:

    https://www.popularwoodworking.com/editors-blog/make-a-scraper-plane/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 8 18:27:05 2022
    Michael <michaeldwilson2@gmail.com> on Wed, 2 Nov 2022 17:31:32 -0700
    (PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:11:46 AM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote: >> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Wed, 2 Nov 2022 07:55:21 -0500 typed
    in rec.woodworking the following:

    Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore. I used to
    sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
    switched over to providing the planes as a kit. And I have not seen
    anything from him in a very long time.

    OTOH, the OP was looking for a drawing as a starting point. He could
    get some good ideas from photos of Knight planes for style and proportion.


    Absolutely, If you can get detailed multi angled pictures.
    Do you guys need complete orthographic projection drawings to make
    everything, or can you draw up your own "working" drawings based on
    what you've seen and how you figure it ought to go?
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

    Something like this maybe:

    https://www.popularwoodworking.com/editors-blog/make-a-scraper-plane/

    That will give you the idea.

    (Tangent: I'm not sure there really is a need for the 25 degree
    bevel. I could be wrong, but ...)
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TimW@21:1/5 to Michael on Wed Nov 9 17:32:53 2022
    On 03/11/2022 00:31, Michael wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 10:11:46 AM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Wed, 2 Nov 2022 07:55:21 -0500 typed
    in rec.woodworking the following:

    Unfortunately I don't think Steve is in business anymore. I used to >>>>> sell him the Ipe "frogs" for his planes 20 years ago but I think he
    switched over to providing the planes as a kit. And I have not seen >>>>> anything from him in a very long time.

    OTOH, the OP was looking for a drawing as a starting point. He could
    get some good ideas from photos of Knight planes for style and proportion. >>>

    Absolutely, If you can get detailed multi angled pictures.
    Do you guys need complete orthographic projection drawings to make
    everything, or can you draw up your own "working" drawings based on
    what you've seen and how you figure it ought to go?
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

    Something like this maybe:

    https://www.popularwoodworking.com/editors-blog/make-a-scraper-plane/

    that's helpful, thanks.
    TW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TimW@21:1/5 to pyotr filipivich on Wed Nov 9 17:39:43 2022
    On 31/10/2022 21:23, pyotr filipivich wrote:
    TimW <timw@nothanks.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:39:24 +0000 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
    for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
    online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
    some of them good.

    Sounds like you want a tool for holding a scraper.

    The trick here is getting the proper edge on the scraper.
    Basically, you want to roll the edge of the scraper to put a fine burr
    on the blade.
    (ASCII art follows)
    |
    |
    |
    |
    |
    L

    the L is where the edge has been "pushed over" making the burr which
    does the actual "scrape" to remover wood fibers.

    Scraper planes just hold the scraper at the proper angle vertically to
    have that L engage the wood. Easier on the thumbs.

    If you google on scraper blade planes you find all sort of images. Personally, this week, I'm not doing enough to justify the hassle of
    setting up a scraper plane. Next month is another subject.

    I know what you are talking about but I am after something else. Like
    when you take the iron out of a plane and scrape with it: no burr and
    not at an oblique angle but scraping with it at 90 degrees.

    Tim W

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 9 09:49:00 2022
    TimW <timw@nothanks.com> on Wed, 9 Nov 2022 17:39:43 +0000 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
    On 31/10/2022 21:23, pyotr filipivich wrote:
    TimW <timw@nothanks.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:39:24 +0000 typed in
    rec.woodworking the following:
    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
    for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
    online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making, >>> some of them good.

    Sounds like you want a tool for holding a scraper.

    The trick here is getting the proper edge on the scraper.
    Basically, you want to roll the edge of the scraper to put a fine burr
    on the blade.
    (ASCII art follows)
    |
    |
    |
    |
    |
    L

    the L is where the edge has been "pushed over" making the burr which
    does the actual "scrape" to remover wood fibers.

    Scraper planes just hold the scraper at the proper angle vertically to
    have that L engage the wood. Easier on the thumbs.

    If you google on scraper blade planes you find all sort of images.
    Personally, this week, I'm not doing enough to justify the hassle of
    setting up a scraper plane. Next month is another subject.

    I know what you are talking about but I am after something else. Like
    when you take the iron out of a plane and scrape with it: no burr and
    not at an oblique angle but scraping with it at 90 degrees.

    Hmmm. Maybe that's why mine "doesn't work".
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TimW@21:1/5 to pyotr filipivich on Wed Nov 9 17:54:32 2022
    On 31/10/2022 21:23, pyotr filipivich wrote:
    TimW <timw@nothanks.com> on Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:39:24 +0000 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
    I am thinking of making myself an item I believe is called a scraper
    plane; a short block plane with a blade at or nearly at 90deg vertical
    for difficult grain. Would i find a good drawing as a starting point
    online somewhere? where? I see there are a few youtubes of plane making,
    some of them good.

    Sounds like you want a tool for holding a scraper.

    The trick here is getting the proper edge on the scraper.
    Basically, you want to roll the edge of the scraper to put a fine burr
    on the blade.
    (ASCII art follows)
    |
    |
    |
    |
    |
    L

    the L is where the edge has been "pushed over" making the burr which
    does the actual "scrape" to remover wood fibers.

    Scraper planes just hold the scraper at the proper angle vertically to
    have that L engage the wood. Easier on the thumbs.

    If you google on scraper blade planes you find all sort of images. Personally, this week, I'm not doing enough to justify the hassle of
    setting up a scraper plane. Next month is another subject.

    The off-the-shelf version would be this: https://www.lie-nielsen.com/products/small-scraping-planes
    the dims of a 6" block plane with a solid plane blade, not a bendy
    spring steel cabinet scraper, mounted near to 90deg with no chip breaker.

    I can work it out. I think I will buy an old beech plane off of ebay and
    cut my 6" off the end. I may be able to re use the handle or other bits.

    TW

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)