• Re: Motor stalled and won’t start

    From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net on Thu Sep 1 13:53:19 2022
    On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 13:43:02 -0400, knuttle
    <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 9/1/2022 11:49 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 10:33:36 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 02:45:03 +0000, Ruth
    <1e46773fd804c00b8d5234c0aa3ae6de@example.com> wrote:

    I have an old Craftsman 10 inch electronic radial saw. The model number is 113.197250. It is about 40 years old. When I turned it on it started but then it got caught in the kerf and stalled. The Instruction book says to hit the red reset button on
    top of the motor. I cannot find a reset button. What shall I do?

    I don't see a reset button at all. Perhaps there is something in the
    motor itself but it doesn't look like my old one, which did have the
    reset button.

    <https://www.manualslib.com/manual/497496/Craftsman-113-197250.html?page=86#manual>



    Pages 81 - 82 Motor Troubleshooting makes no mention
    of a reset button - so there probably isn't one on your model.
    John T.
    Just a guess, but if you unplug it and wait for 10 seconds, plug it in
    and turn it on it may function as a reset, and start .

    There is one other thing you can do when the saw is unplugged, and that
    is check if everything rotates freely.

    On some of the old Sears saw were here was a switch that was part of he >starting system for the motor. If debris gets into the switch the motor
    will not start. FIRST UNPLUG THE MOTOR. On mine there is a cover on
    the end of the motor. Remove the cover, and carefully clean the area,
    making sure there rare no wood chips in the contacts.

    Part of my routine end of project routine is to vacuum out all of the
    ports in the motor, to remove any debris that got into the motor during
    the project.


    On my old Craftsman RAS, when the centrifugal capacitor start
    switch was stuck - the saw would grunt & make a bad noise as
    it tried - but failed - to start rotating.
    If I'm reading this OP's post correctly - he has a dead motor <?>
    John T.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 1 15:45:55 2022

    If it dead as hubops said, what is more economical 15 minutes removing
    the cover and cleaning the switch to make the repair or $200 for a new
    motor.


    Dead - as in needing a reset / refuse in the electrical supply.
    .... not dead as in totally burnt out and needing replacement.
    John T.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Thu Sep 1 17:15:25 2022
    On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 15:45:55 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:



    If it dead as hubops said, what is more economical 15 minutes removing
    the cover and cleaning the switch to make the repair or $200 for a new >>motor.


    Dead - as in needing a reset / refuse in the electrical supply.
    .... not dead as in totally burnt out and needing replacement.
    John T.

    Do not know if Emerson has stock of that model left, but that is
    likely to be the only source that would have a direct replacement.

    Ten years back I replace the motor on the Craftsman RAS, cost was
    about $80 plus shipping. Inflation has probably increased that a tad.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 1 19:52:42 2022

    Ten years back I replace the motor on the Craftsman RAS, cost was
    about $80 plus shipping. Inflation has probably increased that a tad.

    For $50 you can buy an entire saw, and a big kiss from the seller's
    wife.


    I got $ 300. for mine a few years ago .. but I had to throw in
    a table saw, band saw, and a big old disk/drum sander
    to sweeten the deal. ;-)
    John T.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 1 19:43:00 2022
    On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 17:15:25 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 15:45:55 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:



    If it dead as hubops said, what is more economical 15 minutes removing >>>the cover and cleaning the switch to make the repair or $200 for a new >>>motor.


    Dead - as in needing a reset / refuse in the electrical supply.
    .... not dead as in totally burnt out and needing replacement.
    John T.

    Do not know if Emerson has stock of that model left, but that is
    likely to be the only source that would have a direct replacement.

    Ten years back I replace the motor on the Craftsman RAS, cost was
    about $80 plus shipping. Inflation has probably increased that a tad.

    For $50 you can buy an entire saw, and a big kiss from the seller's
    wife.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Thu Sep 1 21:40:07 2022
    On Thu, 1 Sep 2022 16:03:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 10:45:08 PM UTC-4, Ruth wrote:
    I have an old Craftsman 10 inch electronic radial saw. The model number is 113.197250. It is about 40 years old. When I turned it on it started but then it got caught in the kerf and stalled. The Instruction book says to hit the red reset button on
    top of the motor. I cannot find a reset button. What shall I do?


    Before anyone jumps all over me, I know that Ruth is talking about a RAS. In any case
    here's some free and easy advice that certainly can't hurt...

    Try whacking the motor with a rubber mallet or a 2 x 4. Dust, other debris or a dead spot
    have been known to cause 70's vintage Craftsman table saw motors to act like they're
    dead. DAMHIKT

    I've probably done it 2 or 3 times in the 40-ish years I've had my TS. 1 or 2 whacks
    and she starts right up.

    Best thing it is very cost effective.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Fri Sep 2 13:36:50 2022
    krw@notreal.com writes:
    On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 17:15:25 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 15:45:55 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:



    If it dead as hubops said, what is more economical 15 minutes removing >>>>the cover and cleaning the switch to make the repair or $200 for a new >>>>motor.


    Dead - as in needing a reset / refuse in the electrical supply.
    .... not dead as in totally burnt out and needing replacement.
    John T.

    Do not know if Emerson has stock of that model left, but that is
    likely to be the only source that would have a direct replacement.

    Ten years back I replace the motor on the Craftsman RAS, cost was
    about $80 plus shipping. Inflation has probably increased that a tad.

    For $50 you can buy an entire saw, and a big kiss from the seller's
    wife.

    Last time I stopped by the Habitat Re store, they had two craftsman
    RAS in stock, for well less than a c-note.

    Picked up a bunch of handy boxes and octagon boxes for a couple of bucks.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to Leon on Sat Sep 3 15:01:55 2022
    On Sat, 3 Sep 2022 11:48:31 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 9/2/2022 8:38 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:23:07 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/1/2022 6:03 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 10:45:08 PM UTC-4, Ruth wrote:
    I have an old Craftsman 10 inch electronic radial saw. The model number is 113.197250. It is about 40 years old. When I turned it on it started but then it got caught in the kerf and stalled. The Instruction book says to hit the red reset button on
    top of the motor. I cannot find a reset button. What shall I do?


    Before anyone jumps all over me, I know that Ruth is talking about a RAS. In any case
    here's some free and easy advice that certainly can't hurt...

    Try whacking the motor with a rubber mallet or a 2 x 4. Dust, other debris or a dead spot
    have been known to cause 70's vintage Craftsman table saw motors to act like they're
    dead. DAMHIKT

    I've probably done it 2 or 3 times in the 40-ish years I've had my TS. 1 or 2 whacks
    and she starts right up.
    That is ABUSE!!! AND should be reported to the tool authorities. ;~)

    I raised my table saw the same way I raised my kids and they all turned out fine.


    I know right!!! I am afraid all of the inexperienced people causing a >shift to what was wrong is now right and visa versa will have to live
    with their decisions after we are long gone.

    I'm afraid we'll have to live with their decisions before we're gone.
    If they want Communism, give me ten or twenty years to get out of the
    way.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Sat Sep 3 14:59:28 2022
    On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 18:38:31 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:23:07 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/1/2022 6:03 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 10:45:08 PM UTC-4, Ruth wrote:
    I have an old Craftsman 10 inch electronic radial saw. The model number is 113.197250. It is about 40 years old. When I turned it on it started but then it got caught in the kerf and stalled. The Instruction book says to hit the red reset button on
    top of the motor. I cannot find a reset button. What shall I do?


    Before anyone jumps all over me, I know that Ruth is talking about a RAS. In any case
    here's some free and easy advice that certainly can't hurt...

    Try whacking the motor with a rubber mallet or a 2 x 4. Dust, other debris or a dead spot
    have been known to cause 70's vintage Craftsman table saw motors to act like they're
    dead. DAMHIKT

    I've probably done it 2 or 3 times in the 40-ish years I've had my TS. 1 or 2 whacks
    and she starts right up.
    That is ABUSE!!! AND should be reported to the tool authorities. ;~)

    I raised my table saw the same way I raised my kids and they all turned out fine.

    You whacked your kids with a rubber mallet? No wonder they won the
    Soapbox Derby. "Lose and it's forty whacks for you!"

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