Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to getEnd of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
while making a cut?
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to getShoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward.
while making a cut?
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> writes:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
My first miter saw (Delta) had a nice clamp attachment to hold
the board which could be switched to either side.
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?My first miter saw (Delta) had a nice clamp attachment to hold
the board which could be switched to either side.
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:20:05 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...Shoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow the fingers of
the hand holding the board to get while making a cut.
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 9:10:55 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:My first miter saw (Delta) had a nice clamp attachment to hold
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
the board which could be switched to either side.
As far as I know, all miter saws come with that accessory.
On my Delta 36-220, it mounts in the front, which is a terrible design.
The rear mounted one on my Bosch Glide saw only gets within 5 1/2"
of the blade. That's often too far away for some of my cuts. I use it
mainly for stop blocks.
The Delta clamp, which holds the board against the fence, not down on
the table, requires that the board be at least 6" long if I recall correctly. >Again, that's too long in many cases. OK for stop blocks.
DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> writes:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
My first miter saw (Delta) had a nice clamp attachment to hold
the board which could be switched to either side.
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 9:10:55 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:My first miter saw (Delta) had a nice clamp attachment to hold
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
the board which could be switched to either side.
As far as I know, all miter saws come with that accessory.
On my Delta 36-220, it mounts in the front, which is a terrible design.
The rear mounted one on my Bosch Glide saw only gets within 5 1/2"
of the blade. That's often too far away for some of my cuts. I use it
mainly for stop blocks.
The Delta clamp, which holds the board against the fence, not down on
the table, requires that the board be at least 6" long if I recall correctly. Again, that's too long in many cases. OK for stop blocks.
On 8/18/2022 9:37 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 9:10:55 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:My first miter saw (Delta) had a nice clamp attachment to hold
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >>>>> while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
the board which could be switched to either side.
As far as I know, all miter saws come with that accessory.If you can call it that. Some are much more trouble than helpful.
The Kapex is so simple and elegant that it is like the difference in
changing blades in the old Bosch jigsaws to a current Bosch jig saw.
On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:10:50 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
My first miter saw (Delta) had a nice clamp attachment to holdBy Bosch has a clamp, too, but it's as close to useless as it could be
the board which could be switched to either side.
made.
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:12:54 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:10:50 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:By Bosch has a clamp, too, but it's as close to useless as it could be
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
My first miter saw (Delta) had a nice clamp attachment to hold
the board which could be switched to either side.
made.
What model Bosch?
On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:57:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:12:54 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:10:50 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:By Bosch has a clamp, too, but it's as close to useless as it could be
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
My first miter saw (Delta) had a nice clamp attachment to hold
the board which could be switched to either side.
made.
What model Bosch?5412, I think. One with the rails towards the back, not the scissors
arm one.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:22:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:20:05 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...Shoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow the fingers of
the hand holding the board to get while making a cut.
A foot. I don't think I've cut anything less. Any smaller and I use
the table saw.
On 8/18/2022 11:11 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:22:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:20:05 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...Shoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow the fingers of
the hand holding the board to get while making a cut.
A foot. I don't think I've cut anything less. Any smaller and I use
the table saw.
If I have the least bit of hesitation, I don't hesitate to use a clamp.
I should have even followed that advise when I last used my drill
press...I thought, I got the work held against a fence, that should be >enough--but it wasn't. ; )
On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 20:28:06 -0400, Bill <nonegiven@att.net> wrote:
On 8/18/2022 11:11 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:22:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:20:05 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...Shoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >>>>>> while making a cut?
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow the fingers of
the hand holding the board to get while making a cut.
A foot. I don't think I've cut anything less. Any smaller and I use
the table saw.
If I have the least bit of hesitation, I don't hesitate to use a clamp.
I should have even followed that advise when I last used my drill
press...I thought, I got the work held against a fence, that should be
enough--but it wasn't. ; )
Yeah, I've been bitten by a drill press more often than all other
tools combined. It looks like such an innocuous tool until the bit
catches, which it always does if the piece isn't anchored. Some bits
are better than others.
On 8/18/2022 11:11 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:22:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:20:05 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...Shoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow the fingers of
the hand holding the board to get while making a cut.
A foot. I don't think I've cut anything less. Any smaller and I useIf I have the least bit of hesitation, I don't hesitate to use a clamp.
the table saw.
I should have even followed that advise when I last used my drill
press...I thought, I got the work held against a fence, that should be enough--but it wasn't. ; )
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 8:28:12 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
On 8/18/2022 11:11 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:22:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03If I have the least bit of hesitation, I don't hesitate to use a clamp.
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:20:05 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...Shoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >>>>>> while making a cut?
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow the fingers of
the hand holding the board to get while making a cut.
A foot. I don't think I've cut anything less. Any smaller and I use
the table saw.
I should have even followed that advise when I last used my drill
press...I thought, I got the work held against a fence, that should be
enough--but it wasn't. ; )
I made a pair of these from some aluminum stock that I had
lying around. They live in the T tracks of my drill press table,
always at the ready.
https://images.app.goo.gl/xTU75zJ616PpjKd6A
I made a pair of these from some aluminum stock that I had
lying around. They live in the T tracks of my drill press table,
always at the ready.
https://images.app.goo.gl/xTU75zJ616PpjKd6A
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 4:22:40 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:57:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:12:54 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:10:50 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)5412, I think. One with the rails towards the back, not the scissors
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:By Bosch has a clamp, too, but it's as close to useless as it could be >>>> made.
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >>>>>>>> while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
My first miter saw (Delta) had a nice clamp attachment to hold
the board which could be switched to either side.
What model Bosch?
arm one.
That's a pretty strange looking clamp. WTF were they thinking?
The one on my Bosch Glide saw ("scissors" as you call it) is as simple as it gets. What
more do you need?
https://media.repairtoolparts.com/image/Bosch/1609B02315.jpg
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in news:b5069862-4f86-446b...@googlegroups.com:
I made a pair of these from some aluminum stock that I had
lying around. They live in the T tracks of my drill press table,
always at the ready.
https://images.app.goo.gl/xTU75zJ616PpjKd6A
I like that table design! Mine has the standard ring with the radial slots
to hold a drill press vise that apparently no one has ever tried to mount
to it.
That's going to have to go on my project list. Someone really thought
about what drill presses really need there!
Puckdropper
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 8:28:12 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
On 8/18/2022 11:11 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:22:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03If I have the least bit of hesitation, I don't hesitate to use a clamp.
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:20:05 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...Shoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow the fingers of
the hand holding the board to get while making a cut.
A foot. I don't think I've cut anything less. Any smaller and I use
the table saw.
I should have even followed that advise when I last used my drill
press...I thought, I got the work held against a fence, that should be
enough--but it wasn't. ; )
I made a pair of these from some aluminum stock that I had
lying around. They live in the T tracks of my drill press table,
always at the ready.
https://images.app.goo.gl/xTU75zJ616PpjKd6A
DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote in >news:b5069862-4f86-446b-b467-027ebba65661n@googlegroups.com:
I made a pair of these from some aluminum stock that I had
lying around. They live in the T tracks of my drill press table,
always at the ready.
https://images.app.goo.gl/xTU75zJ616PpjKd6A
I like that table design! Mine has the standard ring with the radial slots >to hold a drill press vise that apparently no one has ever tried to mount
to it.
That's going to have to go on my project list. Someone really thought
about what drill presses really need there!
Puckdropper
On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 05:56:27 GMT, Puckdropper <puckd...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in >news:b5069862-4f86-446b...@googlegroups.com:
I made a pair of these from some aluminum stock that I had
lying around. They live in the T tracks of my drill press table,
always at the ready.
https://images.app.goo.gl/xTU75zJ616PpjKd6A
I like that table design! Mine has the standard ring with the radial slots >to hold a drill press vise that apparently no one has ever tried to mount >to it.
That's going to have to go on my project list. Someone really thought >about what drill presses really need there!Woodpeckers thought about it too and came up with a really nice table.
https://www.woodpeck.com/dp-pro-drill-press-table.html
The price isn't so great though. I'm going to steal the base and
drawer under the table.
Its pretty. I think the dust collection in the fence is wrong. Drill press dust collection is one of the most variable and difficult dust collection tasks. Fence based collection rarely works well. I finally landed on always using hold down clampsPuckdropper
On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 21:38:47 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 8:28:12 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
On 8/18/2022 11:11 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:22:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03If I have the least bit of hesitation, I don't hesitate to use a clamp.
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:20:05 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...Shoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow the fingers of
the hand holding the board to get while making a cut.
A foot. I don't think I've cut anything less. Any smaller and I use
the table saw.
I should have even followed that advise when I last used my drill
press...I thought, I got the work held against a fence, that should be
enough--but it wasn't. ; )
I made a pair of these from some aluminum stock that I had
lying around. They live in the T tracks of my drill press table,
always at the ready.
https://images.app.goo.gl/xTU75zJ616PpjKd6AI've found that this slight variation works a lot better. The bearing
under the knob makes operation a lot smoother. There are several
brands of these around. I have an Incra clamp that works like this.
https://masscaproducts.com/collections/viking-arm-clamps/products/massca-hold-down-clamps
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 12:09:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:down. Your hands don't ever move. So you should be able to put them in the right place, 6 inches or so away, and then make the cut.
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get5-6 inches roughly. A miter saw, sliding or fixed, has a stationary piece of wood. Unlike with a table saw. So you can easily clamp the wood down before the cut. Or more likely position your clamping hand 6 inches away from the blade to hold the wood
while making a cut?
I do not know if more people are injured with miter saws or table saws. But in theory anyway, a miter saw should be safer because the wood is not moving. Your hands are not moving or guiding the wood into the blade. Everything should be stationary andfixed in place before the blade starts spinning.
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 2:03:41 AM UTC-4, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:down. Your hands don't ever move. So you should be able to put them in the right place, 6 inches or so away, and then make the cut.
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 12:09:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Survey time...5-6 inches roughly. A miter saw, sliding or fixed, has a stationary piece of wood. Unlike with a table saw. So you can easily clamp the wood down before the cut. Or more likely position your clamping hand 6 inches away from the blade to hold the wood
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
You can only position your hand 6” away if the board you arefixed in place before the blade starts spinning.
cutting is at least 6” long.
I do not know if more people are injured with miter saws or table saws. But in theory anyway, a miter saw should be safer because the wood is not moving. Your hands are not moving or guiding the wood into the blade. Everything should be stationary and
Even at 2” or less away, everything can still be stationary and
held in place. It’s not the like blade is going to alter it’s fixed path.
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 5:35:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 21:38:47 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 8:28:12 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:I've found that this slight variation works a lot better. The bearing
On 8/18/2022 11:11 AM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 21:22:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03If I have the least bit of hesitation, I don't hesitate to use a clamp. >> >> I should have even followed that advise when I last used my drill
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 9:20:05 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...Shoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >> >> >>>> while making a cut?
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow the fingers of
the hand holding the board to get while making a cut.
A foot. I don't think I've cut anything less. Any smaller and I use
the table saw.
press...I thought, I got the work held against a fence, that should be
enough--but it wasn't. ; )
I made a pair of these from some aluminum stock that I had
lying around. They live in the T tracks of my drill press table,
always at the ready.
https://images.app.goo.gl/xTU75zJ616PpjKd6A
under the knob makes operation a lot smoother. There are several
brands of these around. I have an Incra clamp that works like this.
https://masscaproducts.com/collections/viking-arm-clamps/products/massca-hold-down-clamps
That set is missing one key feature that my pair has: Free-ness.
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 12:09:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:wood down. Your hands don't ever move. So you should be able to put them in the right place, 6 inches or so away, and then make the cut.
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
5-6 inches roughly. A miter saw, sliding or fixed, has a stationary piece of wood. Unlike with a table saw. So you can easily clamp the wood down before the cut. Or more likely position your clamping hand 6 inches away from the blade to hold the
I do not know if more people are injured with miter saws or table saws. But in theory anyway, a miter saw should be safer because the wood is not moving. Your hands are not moving or guiding the wood into the blade. Everything should be stationaryand fixed in place before the blade starts spinning.
On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:03:38 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:down. Your hands don't ever move. So you should be able to put them in the right place, 6 inches or so away, and then make the cut.
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 12:09:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
5-6 inches roughly. A miter saw, sliding or fixed, has a stationary piece of wood. Unlike with a table saw. So you can easily clamp the wood down before the cut. Or more likely position your clamping hand 6 inches away from the blade to hold the wood
fixed in place before the blade starts spinning.I do not know if more people are injured with miter saws or table saws. But in theory anyway, a miter saw should be safer because the wood is not moving. Your hands are not moving or guiding the wood into the blade. Everything should be stationary and
No kickback with miter saws either. Kickback sucking the fingers into
the blade always concerns me.
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 8:16:27 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:down. Your hands don't ever move. So you should be able to put them in the right place, 6 inches or so away, and then make the cut.
On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:03:38 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
<ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 12:09:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
5-6 inches roughly. A miter saw, sliding or fixed, has a stationary piece of wood. Unlike with a table saw. So you can easily clamp the wood down before the cut. Or more likely position your clamping hand 6 inches away from the blade to hold the wood
and fixed in place before the blade starts spinning.
I do not know if more people are injured with miter saws or table saws. But in theory anyway, a miter saw should be safer because the wood is not moving. Your hands are not moving or guiding the wood into the blade. Everything should be stationary
No kickback with miter saws either. Kickback sucking the fingers into
the blade always concerns me.
I came across a youtube where some guy was trying to prove how
dangerous a miter saw is. One of those "why this tool can kill you,
you better stop now, never use it again" videos. The thing is, all he
did was show the problem but never offered the solution. (I can't
find it right now, otherwise I'd post the link)
What he did was clamp a stop block just a few inches from the blade.
Then he slid a board up to the block, cut the board and then - with the
blade still spinning - lifted the saw head. The cut off shot across the
room. End of video.
People were commenting things like "Holy sh*t! Thank you for showing this." >"Wow, miter saws are really dangerous." "Great video! Thanks!"
I added my own comment:
"Let the blade stop before lifting it out of the workpiece. Miter Saw 101"
On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 18:39:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03wood down. Your hands don't ever move. So you should be able to put them in the right place, 6 inches or so away, and then make the cut.
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 8:16:27 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:03:38 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
<ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 12:09:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
5-6 inches roughly. A miter saw, sliding or fixed, has a stationary piece of wood. Unlike with a table saw. So you can easily clamp the wood down before the cut. Or more likely position your clamping hand 6 inches away from the blade to hold the
and fixed in place before the blade starts spinning.
I do not know if more people are injured with miter saws or table saws. But in theory anyway, a miter saw should be safer because the wood is not moving. Your hands are not moving or guiding the wood into the blade. Everything should be stationary
No kickback with miter saws either. Kickback sucking the fingers into
the blade always concerns me.
I came across a youtube where some guy was trying to prove how
dangerous a miter saw is. One of those "why this tool can kill you,
you better stop now, never use it again" videos. The thing is, all he
did was show the problem but never offered the solution. (I can't
find it right now, otherwise I'd post the link)
What he did was clamp a stop block just a few inches from the blade.Kinda like using both a miter gauge and a fence on a table saw.
Then he slid a board up to the block, cut the board and then - with the >blade still spinning - lifted the saw head. The cut off shot across the >room. End of video.
People were commenting things like "Holy sh*t! Thank you for showing this." >"Wow, miter saws are really dangerous." "Great video! Thanks!"I'd have responded with "Wow", too, but with different wording.
I added my own comment:
"Let the blade stop before lifting it out of the workpiece. Miter Saw 101" They do have a brake so it doesn't take more than a few seconds towind down.
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 10:42:09 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:wood down. Your hands don't ever move. So you should be able to put them in the right place, 6 inches or so away, and then make the cut.
On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 18:39:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 8:16:27 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:03:38 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
<ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 12:09:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
5-6 inches roughly. A miter saw, sliding or fixed, has a stationary piece of wood. Unlike with a table saw. So you can easily clamp the wood down before the cut. Or more likely position your clamping hand 6 inches away from the blade to hold the
and fixed in place before the blade starts spinning.
I do not know if more people are injured with miter saws or table saws. But in theory anyway, a miter saw should be safer because the wood is not moving. Your hands are not moving or guiding the wood into the blade. Everything should be stationary
Kinda like using both a miter gauge and a fence on a table saw.No kickback with miter saws either. Kickback sucking the fingers into
the blade always concerns me.
I came across a youtube where some guy was trying to prove how
dangerous a miter saw is. One of those "why this tool can kill you,
you better stop now, never use it again" videos. The thing is, all he
did was show the problem but never offered the solution. (I can't
find it right now, otherwise I'd post the link)
What he did was clamp a stop block just a few inches from the blade.
Then he slid a board up to the block, cut the board and then - with the
blade still spinning - lifted the saw head. The cut off shot across the
room. End of video.
If you mean "completely safe if done correctly" then I agree that it's
"kinda like" that.
On a miter saw it's safe to use a stop block in that manner as long
as you let the blade stop
On a table saw it's safe to use the miter gauge and fence if you use
a spacer black on the fence.
I'd have responded with "Wow", too, but with different wording.
People were commenting things like "Holy sh*t! Thank you for showing this." >> >"Wow, miter saws are really dangerous." "Great video! Thanks!"
I added my own comment:wind down.
"Let the blade stop before lifting it out of the workpiece. Miter Saw 101" >> They do have a brake so it doesn't take more than a few seconds to
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 8:16:27 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:down. Your hands don't ever move. So you should be able to put them in the right place, 6 inches or so away, and then make the cut.
On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:03:38 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
<ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 12:09:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
5-6 inches roughly. A miter saw, sliding or fixed, has a stationary piece of wood. Unlike with a table saw. So you can easily clamp the wood down before the cut. Or more likely position your clamping hand 6 inches away from the blade to hold the wood
and fixed in place before the blade starts spinning.
I do not know if more people are injured with miter saws or table saws. But in theory anyway, a miter saw should be safer because the wood is not moving. Your hands are not moving or guiding the wood into the blade. Everything should be stationary
No kickback with miter saws either. Kickback sucking the fingers into
the blade always concerns me.
I came across a youtube where some guy was trying to prove how
dangerous a miter saw is. One of those "why this tool can kill you,
you better stop now, never use it again" videos. The thing is, all he
did was show the problem but never offered the solution. (I can't
find it right now, otherwise I'd post the link)
What he did was clamp a stop block just a few inches from the blade.
Then he slid a board up to the block, cut the board and then - with the
blade still spinning - lifted the saw head. The cut off shot across the
room. End of video.
People were commenting things like "Holy sh*t! Thank you for showing this." "Wow, miter saws are really dangerous." "Great video! Thanks!"
I added my own comment:
"Let the blade stop before lifting it out of the workpiece. Miter Saw 101"
On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 18:39:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03wood down. Your hands don't ever move. So you should be able to put them in the right place, 6 inches or so away, and then make the cut.
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 8:16:27 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:03:38 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
<ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 12:09:58 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>> Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
5-6 inches roughly. A miter saw, sliding or fixed, has a stationary piece of wood. Unlike with a table saw. So you can easily clamp the wood down before the cut. Or more likely position your clamping hand 6 inches away from the blade to hold the
and fixed in place before the blade starts spinning.
I do not know if more people are injured with miter saws or table saws. But in theory anyway, a miter saw should be safer because the wood is not moving. Your hands are not moving or guiding the wood into the blade. Everything should be stationary
No kickback with miter saws either. Kickback sucking the fingers into
the blade always concerns me.
I came across a youtube where some guy was trying to prove how
dangerous a miter saw is. One of those "why this tool can kill you,
you better stop now, never use it again" videos. The thing is, all he
did was show the problem but never offered the solution. (I can't
find it right now, otherwise I'd post the link)
What he did was clamp a stop block just a few inches from the blade.
Then he slid a board up to the block, cut the board and then - with the
blade still spinning - lifted the saw head. The cut off shot across the
room. End of video.
Kinda like using both a miter gauge and a fence on a table saw.
People were commenting things like "Holy sh*t! Thank you for showing this." >> "Wow, miter saws are really dangerous." "Great video! Thanks!"
I'd have responded with "Wow", too, but with different wording.
I added my own comment:
"Let the blade stop before lifting it out of the workpiece. Miter Saw 101"
They do have a brake so it doesn't take more than a few seconds to
wind down.
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:09:58 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:full attention anyways.
Survey time...
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
It's sort of like the people that drop to 15mph below the speed limit when they see a cop.
You don't get bonus points for being below the limit.
As long as my hand isn't in the path of the blade it's not getting cut.
The important thing (for me) is to be sure I'm not moving my holding hand as I'm lowering the blade, especially when I'm doing a bunch of repetitive cuts. The little shorties where I'm sure (some) people would freak out of they saw it always have my
YMMV.While not specifically related to miter saws, check out Frick'n Jeep at
On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would
a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's >length away?
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:12:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How wouldJammed finger if something goes awry?
a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's >length away?
Being tired and in a hurry is
not recommend though, that my story I have all my fingers though, skin
lucky grows back.
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would
a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's length away?
On 8/24/2022 11:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >>>>>> while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would
a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's
length away?
In theory, the blade travels a tight path so 1/4" is safe.
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 12:38:12 AM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:12:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>> On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Jammed finger if something goes awry?
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >>>>>>> while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would >>> a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's >>> length away?
What do you mean by “jammed fingers” and what could go
“awry” to cause that?
I’m looking for a specific situation, similar to how you would
explain kickback on a table saw. “The board does _this_ causing
your hand to do _this_.”
What could happen with the wood and blade to cause an injury
while holding it at 2” that wouldn’t happen while holding it at 6”
or 12”? (I am, of course, assuming that the user is fully aware
of the placement of all fingers, e.g. the thumb or any other finger
is not in the path of the blade.)
Being tired and in a hurry is
not recommend though, that my story I have all my fingers though, skin
lucky grows back.
What do you mean by “jammed fingers” and what could go
“awry” to cause that?
The work coming back against your hand or finger and jamming the finger joint.
On 8/25/2022 10:54 AM, Leon wrote:
What do you mean by “jammed fingers” and what could go
“awry” to cause that?
The work coming back against your hand or finger and jamming the
finger joint.
I had a piece of wood snapped away ("forward") from me once,
so I will validate that it can happen. It was a gentle reminder
that the work should be pushed all the way forward before you cut! : )
On 8/24/2022 11:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >>>>>> while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would
a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's
length away?
In theory, the blade travels a tight path so 1/4" is safe.
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would
a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's >length away?
On 8/25/2022 8:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/24/2022 11:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >>>>>> while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would >> a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's >> length away?
In theory, the blade travels a tight path so 1/4" is safe.Yes! but theory is what should happen. Case hardened wood, warped
wood, what ever the issue, the wood can move slightly and cause all
kinds of havoc if the piece is short and mostly NOT supported by the
back fence.
Most miter saw fences have something like a 2" gap between the left and
right fence. So if the piece is 2" wide only half of the piece is
being supported by the end of the fence on either side. The piece can
easily pivot on the end of the fence and get thrown by the blade.
A few weeks ago I was cutting base board moldings. In some cases the
piece needed was mitered on one end and square cut on the opposite and
they were 1.5" long.
This was a dangerous cut and I stood clear of the where that piece would
fly back should it pivot against the end of the fence. It happened
twice. Ideally this should have been done a TS but I was not at the shop.
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:12:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?GO wrong? Stupid mistake. Not thinking. Distraction (and if you say
that you're never distracted when your attitude about something is
"What could go wrong?", well...
As soon as you say "What could go wrong?" It will.
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would
a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's >length away?
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 2:36:10 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:12:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:GO wrong? Stupid mistake. Not thinking. Distraction (and if you say
On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get
while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
that you're never distracted when your attitude about something is
"What could go wrong?", well...
What you read as an "attitude" was typed as a legitimate question.
As far as being distracted, of course, that happens to all of us from time
to time. But if I am doing something like making a "hazardous" cut (e.g. >fingers close the blade) my concentration is centered on the cut.
I'm going to take a guess here and assume that you do the same thing:
"OK, pay attention. Where are my fingers, what is the wood going to do?
What could go wrong?"
I tend to follow the old adage of "If what you are about to do makes you >uncomfortable, there is probably a reason." Stop, think about it and perhaps >comes up with an alternative way to get the job done.
As soon as you say "What could go wrong?" It will.
Nope, because, at least for me, saying "What could go wrong?" is not
the cavalier attitude that you took it to be. It's a legitimate question. An >assessment of the situation. A chance to change what I'm going to do
next, because I took the time to answer the question.
I ask myself that question all time and not just in the shop. Setting up
a ladder, jacking up the car, any situation where something *could* go
wrong, I ask myself "What could go wrong?" and then I adjust my plan
as required.
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would
a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's >> >length away?
12" from the blade on many (most?) miter saws is outside of the fence - you'd be pushing against air.
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 12:30:42 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 2:36:10 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:12:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> >> On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:GO wrong? Stupid mistake. Not thinking. Distraction (and if you say
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >> >> >>> while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
that you're never distracted when your attitude about something is
"What could go wrong?", well...
What you read as an "attitude" was typed as a legitimate question."What can go wrong?" attitude leads to complacency.
As far as being distracted, of course, that happens to all of us from time >to time. But if I am doing something like making a "hazardous" cut (e.g. >fingers close the blade) my concentration is centered on the cut.THe nonchalant "What can go wrong?" attitude makes it a whole lot
worse. If you *expect* something to go wrong, distractions are a lot
less likely.
I'm going to take a guess here and assume that you do the same thing:The difference is that you're saying "What can go wrong?" as in "What,
"OK, pay attention. Where are my fingers, what is the wood going to do? >What could go wrong?"
me worry?", vs my attitude of "what _could_ go wrong?" (there is a difference", or what happens _if_ something does go wrong". I don't
want my hands anywhere near the blade if something *DOES* go wrong,
even if that something could "never go wrong".
I'm a conservative. Unintended consequences are inevitable.
I tend to follow the old adage of "If what you are about to do makes you >uncomfortable, there is probably a reason." Stop, think about it and perhaps >comes up with an alternative way to get the job done.So that's why you put your fingers 2" from the blade? Putting your
fingers right next to a spinning, moving, blade doesn't make you uncomfortable? It certainly does me. That's why they're a shoulder's
width away.
As soon as you say "What could go wrong?" It will.
Nope, because, at least for me, saying "What could go wrong?" is notYet you put your fingers right next to a spinning, moving blade. Even parallax doesn't bother you.
the cavalier attitude that you took it to be. It's a legitimate question. An >assessment of the situation. A chance to change what I'm going to do
next, because I took the time to answer the question.
I ask myself that question all time and not just in the shop. Setting up
a ladder, jacking up the car, any situation where something *could* go >wrong, I ask myself "What could go wrong?" and then I adjust my plan
as required.
But you don't think "What can go wrong, then lean 2' outside the
ladder or use the top step anyway.
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would >> >a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's >> >length away?
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:23:31 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
12" from the blade on many (most?) miter saws is outside of the fence - you'd be pushing against air.13" from blade to edge of table on one, 11" on the other. From
sternum to shoulder = 9". It works even without a miter station.
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:11:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:23:31 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
12" from the blade on many (most?) miter saws is outside of the fence - you'd be pushing against air.13" from blade to edge of table on one, 11" on the other. From
sternum to shoulder = 9". It works even without a miter station.
What are you even talking about -is this meant for me or your tailor?
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 5:46:49 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 12:30:42 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 2:36:10 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 20:12:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03"What can go wrong?" attitude leads to complacency.
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> >> >> On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:GO wrong? Stupid mistake. Not thinking. Distraction (and if you say
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >> >> >> >>> while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
that you're never distracted when your attitude about something is
"What could go wrong?", well...
What you read as an "attitude" was typed as a legitimate question.
As far as being distracted, of course, that happens to all of us from time >> >to time. But if I am doing something like making a "hazardous" cut (e.g.THe nonchalant "What can go wrong?" attitude makes it a whole lot
fingers close the blade) my concentration is centered on the cut.
worse. If you *expect* something to go wrong, distractions are a lot
less likely.
The difference is that you're saying "What can go wrong?" as in "What,
I'm going to take a guess here and assume that you do the same thing:
"OK, pay attention. Where are my fingers, what is the wood going to do?
What could go wrong?"
me worry?", vs my attitude of "what _could_ go wrong?" (there is a
difference", or what happens _if_ something does go wrong". I don't
want my hands anywhere near the blade if something *DOES* go wrong,
even if that something could "never go wrong".
I'm a conservative. Unintended consequences are inevitable.
So that's why you put your fingers 2" from the blade? Putting your
I tend to follow the old adage of "If what you are about to do makes you
uncomfortable, there is probably a reason." Stop, think about it and perhaps
comes up with an alternative way to get the job done.
fingers right next to a spinning, moving, blade doesn't make you
uncomfortable? It certainly does me. That's why they're a shoulder's
width away.
Yet you put your fingers right next to a spinning, moving blade. EvenAs soon as you say "What could go wrong?" It will.
Nope, because, at least for me, saying "What could go wrong?" is not
the cavalier attitude that you took it to be. It's a legitimate question. An
assessment of the situation. A chance to change what I'm going to do
next, because I took the time to answer the question.
parallax doesn't bother you.
I ask myself that question all time and not just in the shop. Setting upBut you don't think "What can go wrong, then lean 2' outside the
a ladder, jacking up the car, any situation where something *could* go
wrong, I ask myself "What could go wrong?" and then I adjust my plan
as required.
ladder or use the top step anyway.
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would >> >> >a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's
length away?
It's like you never even read my post. If you did, then you certainly missed the
point by about 1000 board feet.
I said, right at the beginning, that you mistook my question for an attitude, yet
you came right back with "What can go wrong?" attitude leads to complacency."
Then you repeated your assumption, absolutely reversing what I specifically said.
"The difference is that you're saying "What can go wrong?" as in "What,
me worry?", vs my attitude of "what _could_ go wrong?""
You are completely wrong with that assumption. I said it before and I just said it
again - for the last time.
I ask myself that question all time and not just in the shop. Setting up
a ladder, jacking up the car, any situation where something *could* go
wrong, I ask myself "What could go wrong?" and then I adjust my plan
as required.
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:48:37 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:11:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:23:31 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
12" from the blade on many (most?) miter saws is outside of the fence - you'd be pushing against air.13" from blade to edge of table on one, 11" on the other. From
sternum to shoulder = 9". It works even without a miter station.
What are you even talking about -is this meant for me or your tailor?Read the thread. *I* didn't say 12". That was DD.
*I* said a shoulder's width (i.e. arm kept straight from shoulder to
saw).
On 8/25/2022 3:30 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I ask myself that question all time and not just in the shop. Setting up
a ladder, jacking up the car, any situation where something *could* go
wrong, I ask myself "What could go wrong?" and then I adjust my plan
as required.
Someone formulated a rule (which can't restate exactly), but the gist of
it is that the "set up" should be such that there are at least two
mistakes in front of any major mishap, not just one.
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:48:37 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:11:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:23:31 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
12" from the blade on many (most?) miter saws is outside of the fence - you'd be pushing against air.13" from blade to edge of table on one, 11" on the other. From
sternum to shoulder = 9". It works even without a miter station.
What are you even talking about -is this meant for me or your tailor?Read the thread. *I* didn't say 12". That was DD.
*I* said a shoulder's width (i.e. arm kept straight from shoulder to
saw).
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:05:03 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 8/25/2022 8:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/24/2022 11:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Yes! but theory is what should happen. Case hardened wood, warped
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>>> On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >>>>>>>> while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would >>>> a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's >>>> length away?
In theory, the blade travels a tight path so 1/4" is safe.
wood, what ever the issue, the wood can move slightly and cause all
kinds of havoc if the piece is short and mostly NOT supported by the
back fence.
Most miter saw fences have something like a 2" gap between the left and
right fence. So if the piece is 2" wide only half of the piece is
being supported by the end of the fence on either side. The piece can
easily pivot on the end of the fence and get thrown by the blade.
A few weeks ago I was cutting base board moldings. In some cases the
piece needed was mitered on one end and square cut on the opposite and
they were 1.5" long.
This was a dangerous cut and I stood clear of the where that piece would
fly back should it pivot against the end of the fence. It happened
twice. Ideally this should have been done a TS but I was not at the shop.
I agree with everything you've said here. I thought I addressed that issue
a few days ago, but looking back I see that I did not mentioned it. I know that I thought about, because it makes a big difference in terms of my
hand placement question:
Both of my miter saws have zero clearance fences and zero clearance inserts. I wouldn't cut some of the small pieces that I do without the fence and insert
backing up both sides as well as the bottom of the cut.
On the other hand (PI), you are talking about a situation where the cutoff could
be thrown, while I'm asking about hand placement on the board. In either case, a
zero clearance fence makes a huge difference.
(I was cutting some plugs in half on my bandsaw recently. I used blue painters
tape to create a zero clearance "insert" around the blade so that the plug was fully
supported by the table as it went through the blade.)
On 8/25/2022 2:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 11:05:03 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 8/25/2022 8:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/24/2022 11:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Yes! but theory is what should happen. Case hardened wood, warped
On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:45:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>>> On 8/18/2022 12:19 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 11:46:11 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03If too short for comfort I put another board on top to hold it.
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Survey time...End of the table with the left, right hand is on the switch.
How close to your miter saw blade do you allow your fingers to get >>>>>>>> while making a cut?
So you never cut boards that are shorter than half the table?
Now there's a technique I've seen or even heard of.
Never measure but my limit is about 12" or so.
I would need to put a decimal point between the 1 and the 2.
What do you think could go wrong that keeps you 12" from the blade?
Let's cut that in half. (NPI) Let's say your hand was 6" away. How would >>>> a person get hurt by a miter saw with a hand that is more than a finger's
length away?
In theory, the blade travels a tight path so 1/4" is safe.
wood, what ever the issue, the wood can move slightly and cause all
kinds of havoc if the piece is short and mostly NOT supported by the
back fence.
Most miter saw fences have something like a 2" gap between the left and
right fence. So if the piece is 2" wide only half of the piece is
being supported by the end of the fence on either side. The piece can
easily pivot on the end of the fence and get thrown by the blade.
A few weeks ago I was cutting base board moldings. In some cases the
piece needed was mitered on one end and square cut on the opposite and
they were 1.5" long.
This was a dangerous cut and I stood clear of the where that piece would >> fly back should it pivot against the end of the fence. It happened
twice. Ideally this should have been done a TS but I was not at the shop.
I agree with everything you've said here. I thought I addressed that issue a few days ago, but looking back I see that I did not mentioned it. I know that I thought about, because it makes a big difference in terms of my
hand placement question:
Both of my miter saws have zero clearance fences and zero clearance inserts.Yes but normally I cut small pieces in my shop on the TS. This was an
I wouldn't cut some of the small pieces that I do without the fence and insert
backing up both sides as well as the bottom of the cut.
onsite job and I do not have zero clearance fences on my Kapex, yet.
And I am not certain that a zero clearance fence would be the answer in
this case. The moldings were too tall to make miter cuts, So I made
bevel cuts which would have made a V on a Zero clearance fence. That
still would have provided poor support.
On the other hand (PI), you are talking about a situation where the cutoff couldAgain bevel cuts vs miter cuts.
be thrown, while I'm asking about hand placement on the board. In either case, a
zero clearance fence makes a huge difference.
(I was cutting some plugs in half on my bandsaw recently. I used blue painters
tape to create a zero clearance "insert" around the blade so that the plug was fully
supported by the table as it went through the blade.)
+1
On 8/25/2022 3:30 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I ask myself that question all time and not just in the shop. Setting up
a ladder, jacking up the car, any situation where something *could* go
wrong, I ask myself "What could go wrong?" and then I adjust my plan
as required.
Someone formulated a rule (which can't restate exactly), but the gist of--
it is that the "set up" should be such that there are at least two
mistakes in front of any major mishap, not just one.
Bill <none...@att.net> on Fri, 26 Aug 2022 01:06:51 -0400 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On 8/25/2022 3:30 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Sometimes, you have no idea what could go wrong, until it does.I ask myself that question all time and not just in the shop. Setting up >> a ladder, jacking up the car, any situation where something *could* go
wrong, I ask myself "What could go wrong?" and then I adjust my plan
as required.
E.G., jack stands on cobblestone paving are mostly stable. Until
they are not, and the one stone under the leg "packs" down just that
"little bit" to get vector of the weight of the bus past the
metacenter, and the jack tips. Just a little, before it falls over.
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 8:32:15 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:48:37 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:11:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:23:31 -0700 (PDT), Jay PiqueRead the thread. *I* didn't say 12". That was DD.
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
12" from the blade on many (most?) miter saws is outside of the fence - you'd be pushing against air.13" from blade to edge of table on one, 11" on the other. From
sternum to shoulder = 9". It works even without a miter station.
What are you even talking about -is this meant for me or your tailor?
*I* said a shoulder's width (i.e. arm kept straight from shoulder to
saw).
Actually you said, and I quote, "Shoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward."
But we both know why you changed it.
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 8:32:15 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:48:37 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:11:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:23:31 -0700 (PDT), Jay PiqueRead the thread. *I* didn't say 12". That was DD.
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
12" from the blade on many (most?) miter saws is outside of the fence - you'd be pushing against air.13" from blade to edge of table on one, 11" on the other. From
sternum to shoulder = 9". It works even without a miter station.
What are you even talking about -is this meant for me or your tailor?
Read the thread. *I* didn't say 12". That was Ed.
I *questioned* Ed's limit of 12", asking what he thought could wrong that
set 12" as his limit.
*I* said a shoulder's width (i.e. arm kept straight from shoulder to
saw).
if at all possible, hide behind the fence.
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 04:01:51 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 8:32:15 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:48:37 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:11:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:23:31 -0700 (PDT), Jay PiqueRead the thread. *I* didn't say 12". That was DD.
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
12" from the blade on many (most?) miter saws is outside of the fence - you'd be pushing against air.13" from blade to edge of table on one, 11" on the other. From
sternum to shoulder = 9". It works even without a miter station.
What are you even talking about -is this meant for me or your tailor?
*I* said a shoulder's width (i.e. arm kept straight from shoulder to
saw).
Actually you said, and I quote, "Shoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward."Oh, good grief. Are you always such an asshole?
But we both know why you changed it.
First, you *did* say 12". Second, I'm not really that concerned about
the hand holding the handle.
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 10:37:31 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 04:01:51 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 8:32:15 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 16:48:37 -0700 (PDT), Jay PiqueOh, good grief. Are you always such an asshole?
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 7:11:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:Read the thread. *I* didn't say 12". That was DD.
On Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:23:31 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique
<JayP...@hotmail.com> wrote:
12" from the blade on many (most?) miter saws is outside of the fence - you'd be pushing against air.13" from blade to edge of table on one, 11" on the other. From
sternum to shoulder = 9". It works even without a miter station.
What are you even talking about -is this meant for me or your tailor?
*I* said a shoulder's width (i.e. arm kept straight from shoulder to
saw).
Actually you said, and I quote, "Shoulder's width. Both arms/hands straight forward."
But we both know why you changed it.
First, you *did* say 12". Second, I'm not really that concerned about
the hand holding the handle.
Yes - and you just assumed I was addressing you. Read the thread.
You and I both know you're just spewing nonsense. You've already backpedaled once. Now you're going to claim you center your sternum on the blade of the saw so your ' sternum to shoulder = 9" ' blather sort of makes sense?
On Friday, August 26, 2022 at 10:40:35 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
if at all possible, hide behind the fence.
Lol. Now you're just trolling.
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