• Spindle sander

    From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 16 15:11:13 2022
    I've been thinking about buying a spindle sander. The bench-top units
    seemed to have universal motors, which are not ideal for heavy use or
    in "fixed" (not hand-held) tools. I came across this Grizzly that
    seems to have an induction motor and for a pretty good price. It
    doesn't have a tilt able table but I don't think that's going to
    bother me much. Comments?

    <https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-3-hp-oscillating-spindle-sander/g0538>

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  • From Puckdropper@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Wed Aug 17 06:38:42 2022
    krw@notreal.com wrote in
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    I've been thinking about buying a spindle sander. The bench-top units
    seemed to have universal motors, which are not ideal for heavy use or
    in "fixed" (not hand-held) tools. I came across this Grizzly that
    seems to have an induction motor and for a pretty good price. It
    doesn't have a tilt able table but I don't think that's going to
    bother me much. Comments?

    <https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-3-hp-oscillating-spindle-sa nder/g0538>

    How does it fit the types of work you'll be handling? It's a benchtop
    model which means if you're trying to do longer boards they'll stick off
    the end and may even require something like support rollers to use.

    The size and stroke look good to me. It seems like it'll handle most of
    the material you'd use a spindle sander for. On the rare occasion you're sanding an angled cut, you could probably make a fixture to hold the board
    at an angle.

    Does it have a way to install a fence on it?

    Puckdropper

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Wed Aug 17 12:14:01 2022
    On 8/16/2022 2:11 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    I've been thinking about buying a spindle sander. The bench-top units
    seemed to have universal motors, which are not ideal for heavy use or
    in "fixed" (not hand-held) tools. I came across this Grizzly that
    seems to have an induction motor and for a pretty good price. It
    doesn't have a tilt able table but I don't think that's going to
    bother me much. Comments?

    <https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-3-hp-oscillating-spindle-sander/g0538>

    IMHO a universal motor would work as well as in induction motor, FOR
    THIS APPLICATION.

    BUT universal would be nosier.

    Do you expect to use this machine a lot? Mine does not get used much
    as I do not do many concave curves, mine are mostly convex and a disk
    sander is better for that.


    I find that a gentle application towards the cylinder works better,
    hence the comment above about the universal motor. Heavy handed and you
    easily get divots.

    I cannot remember ever using the tilt table on my Jet.

    BUT I do hook my DC up to it when I do use it. This one that you are
    looking at does say that it has a 2.5" dust port, I wonder where that is located.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Aug 17 11:13:05 2022
    On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 8/16/2022 2:11 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    I've been thinking about buying a spindle sander. The bench-top units seemed to have universal motors, which are not ideal for heavy use or
    in "fixed" (not hand-held) tools. I came across this Grizzly that
    seems to have an induction motor and for a pretty good price. It
    doesn't have a tilt able table but I don't think that's going to
    bother me much. Comments?

    <https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-3-hp-oscillating-spindle-sander/g0538>
    IMHO a universal motor would work as well as in induction motor, FOR
    THIS APPLICATION.

    BUT universal would be nosier.

    Do you expect to use this machine a lot? Mine does not get used much
    as I do not do many concave curves, mine are mostly convex and a disk
    sander is better for that.


    I find that a gentle application towards the cylinder works better,
    hence the comment above about the universal motor. Heavy handed and you easily get divots.

    I cannot remember ever using the tilt table on my Jet.

    BUT I do hook my DC up to it when I do use it. This one that you are
    looking at does say that it has a 2.5" dust port, I wonder where that is located.

    You can just see it peeking out under the table on the left hand side. It hangs off the bottom of the table.

    https://i.imgur.com/C6XeLon.jpg

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 17 13:42:02 2022
    On 8/17/2022 1:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 8/16/2022 2:11 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    I've been thinking about buying a spindle sander. The bench-top units
    seemed to have universal motors, which are not ideal for heavy use or
    in "fixed" (not hand-held) tools. I came across this Grizzly that
    seems to have an induction motor and for a pretty good price. It
    doesn't have a tilt able table but I don't think that's going to
    bother me much. Comments?

    <https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-3-hp-oscillating-spindle-sander/g0538>
    IMHO a universal motor would work as well as in induction motor, FOR
    THIS APPLICATION.

    BUT universal would be nosier.

    Do you expect to use this machine a lot? Mine does not get used much
    as I do not do many concave curves, mine are mostly convex and a disk
    sander is better for that.


    I find that a gentle application towards the cylinder works better,
    hence the comment above about the universal motor. Heavy handed and you
    easily get divots.

    I cannot remember ever using the tilt table on my Jet.

    BUT I do hook my DC up to it when I do use it. This one that you are
    looking at does say that it has a 2.5" dust port, I wonder where that is
    located.

    You can just see it peeking out under the table on the left hand side. It hangs
    off the bottom of the table.

    https://i.imgur.com/C6XeLon.jpg

    Mystery solved!

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 17 21:16:12 2022
    On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 13:42:02 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 8/17/2022 1:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 8/16/2022 2:11 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    I've been thinking about buying a spindle sander. The bench-top units
    seemed to have universal motors, which are not ideal for heavy use or
    in "fixed" (not hand-held) tools. I came across this Grizzly that
    seems to have an induction motor and for a pretty good price. It
    doesn't have a tilt able table but I don't think that's going to
    bother me much. Comments?

    <https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-3-hp-oscillating-spindle-sander/g0538>
    IMHO a universal motor would work as well as in induction motor, FOR
    THIS APPLICATION.

    BUT universal would be nosier.

    Do you expect to use this machine a lot? Mine does not get used much
    as I do not do many concave curves, mine are mostly convex and a disk
    sander is better for that.


    I find that a gentle application towards the cylinder works better,
    hence the comment above about the universal motor. Heavy handed and you
    easily get divots.

    I cannot remember ever using the tilt table on my Jet.

    BUT I do hook my DC up to it when I do use it. This one that you are
    looking at does say that it has a 2.5" dust port, I wonder where that is >>> located.

    You can just see it peeking out under the table on the left hand side. It hangs
    off the bottom of the table.

    https://i.imgur.com/C6XeLon.jpg

    Mystery solved!

    From what I've been able to find, it works fairly well but, because
    the space between the spindle and insert is so small that it's very
    noisy, with a lot of high-frequency content.

    The other big negative that I've been able to find is that it has a
    composite (MDF?) table. It's $200 so don't expect it to be the same as
    a $700 sander.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 17 21:18:57 2022
    On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 06:38:42 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    krw@notreal.com wrote in
    news:rnqnfhplat5laadv7sp01cat0en30mdspd@4ax.com:

    I've been thinking about buying a spindle sander. The bench-top units
    seemed to have universal motors, which are not ideal for heavy use or
    in "fixed" (not hand-held) tools. I came across this Grizzly that
    seems to have an induction motor and for a pretty good price. It
    doesn't have a tilt able table but I don't think that's going to
    bother me much. Comments?

    <https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-3-hp-oscillating-spindle-sa
    nder/g0538>

    How does it fit the types of work you'll be handling? It's a benchtop
    model which means if you're trying to do longer boards they'll stick off
    the end and may even require something like support rollers to use.

    That's always a tradeoff. I can get a 25" table on a stationary
    sander but it would be 10x the price.

    The size and stroke look good to me. It seems like it'll handle most of
    the material you'd use a spindle sander for. On the rare occasion you're >sanding an angled cut, you could probably make a fixture to hold the board
    at an angle.

    Does it have a way to install a fence on it?

    I don't see one but do know why it would be needed. A pin (like a
    router table) maybe but what would a fence do?

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Aug 18 08:09:24 2022
    On 8/17/2022 8:16 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 13:42:02 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 8/17/2022 1:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:14:10 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 8/16/2022 2:11 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    I've been thinking about buying a spindle sander. The bench-top units >>>>> seemed to have universal motors, which are not ideal for heavy use or >>>>> in "fixed" (not hand-held) tools. I came across this Grizzly that
    seems to have an induction motor and for a pretty good price. It
    doesn't have a tilt able table but I don't think that's going to
    bother me much. Comments?

    <https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-3-hp-oscillating-spindle-sander/g0538>
    IMHO a universal motor would work as well as in induction motor, FOR
    THIS APPLICATION.

    BUT universal would be nosier.

    Do you expect to use this machine a lot? Mine does not get used much
    as I do not do many concave curves, mine are mostly convex and a disk
    sander is better for that.


    I find that a gentle application towards the cylinder works better,
    hence the comment above about the universal motor. Heavy handed and you >>>> easily get divots.

    I cannot remember ever using the tilt table on my Jet.

    BUT I do hook my DC up to it when I do use it. This one that you are
    looking at does say that it has a 2.5" dust port, I wonder where that is >>>> located.

    You can just see it peeking out under the table on the left hand side. It hangs
    off the bottom of the table.

    https://i.imgur.com/C6XeLon.jpg

    Mystery solved!

    From what I've been able to find, it works fairly well but, because
    the space between the spindle and insert is so small that it's very
    noisy, with a lot of high-frequency content.

    The other big negative that I've been able to find is that it has a
    composite (MDF?) table. It's $200 so don't expect it to be the same as
    a $700 sander.

    My old router table is MDF with Melamine on both sides, factory made.
    After about 20 years the 24 x 32 has begun to sag .016" For edge
    sanding I don't think you would notice.

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  • From Puckdropper@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Fri Aug 19 05:49:52 2022
    krw@notreal.com wrote in
    news:cn4rfhh0a9rsvqg1gqkgihhn2vr904r5vt@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 06:38:42 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    *snip*
    Does it have a way to install a fence on it?

    I don't see one but do know why it would be needed. A pin (like a
    router table) maybe but what would a fence do?


    It'd let you use the tool for edge sanding, or sanding long flats between curves where it's convenient to just use the single tool.

    Puckdropper

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Puckdropper on Fri Aug 19 08:01:55 2022
    On 8/19/2022 12:49 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    krw@notreal.com wrote in
    news:cn4rfhh0a9rsvqg1gqkgihhn2vr904r5vt@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 06:38:42 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    *snip*
    Does it have a way to install a fence on it?

    I don't see one but do know why it would be needed. A pin (like a
    router table) maybe but what would a fence do?


    It'd let you use the tool for edge sanding, or sanding long flats between curves where it's convenient to just use the single tool.

    Puckdropper

    Have you actually sanded a straight edge with a spindle sander? I
    think you would easily end up with divots. That has been my
    experience. Spindle sanders have a learning curve to not over sand.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Fri Aug 19 12:58:43 2022
    On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 9:02:02 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 8/19/2022 12:49 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    k...@notreal.com wrote in
    news:cn4rfhh0a9rsvqg1g...@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 06:38:42 GMT, Puckdropper <puckd...@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    *snip*
    Does it have a way to install a fence on it?

    I don't see one but do know why it would be needed. A pin (like a
    router table) maybe but what would a fence do?


    It'd let you use the tool for edge sanding, or sanding long flats between curves where it's convenient to just use the single tool.

    Puckdropper
    Have you actually sanded a straight edge with a spindle sander? I
    think you would easily end up with divots. That has been my
    experience. Spindle sanders have a learning curve to not over sand.

    Use the fence to create a drum sander -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcDiaxPAjq4

    Use the fence to create a planer -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylGDa9_AX1w

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 19 17:25:45 2022
    On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 05:49:52 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    krw@notreal.com wrote in
    news:cn4rfhh0a9rsvqg1gqkgihhn2vr904r5vt@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 06:38:42 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    *snip*
    Does it have a way to install a fence on it?

    I don't see one but do know why it would be needed. A pin (like a
    router table) maybe but what would a fence do?


    It'd let you use the tool for edge sanding, or sanding long flats between >curves where it's convenient to just use the single tool.

    On an oscillating spindle sander? Wrong tool.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Fri Aug 19 17:26:56 2022
    On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 12:58:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 9:02:02 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 8/19/2022 12:49 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    k...@notreal.com wrote in
    news:cn4rfhh0a9rsvqg1g...@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 06:38:42 GMT, Puckdropper <puckd...@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    *snip*
    Does it have a way to install a fence on it?

    I don't see one but do know why it would be needed. A pin (like a
    router table) maybe but what would a fence do?


    It'd let you use the tool for edge sanding, or sanding long flats between >> > curves where it's convenient to just use the single tool.

    Puckdropper
    Have you actually sanded a straight edge with a spindle sander? I
    think you would easily end up with divots. That has been my
    experience. Spindle sanders have a learning curve to not over sand.

    Use the fence to create a drum sander -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcDiaxPAjq4

    Use the fence to create a planer -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylGDa9_AX1w

    Watch for the kick-back (or forward). Yikes!

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Fri Aug 19 17:37:58 2022
    On 8/19/2022 4:25 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 05:49:52 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    krw@notreal.com wrote in
    news:cn4rfhh0a9rsvqg1gqkgihhn2vr904r5vt@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 06:38:42 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    *snip*
    Does it have a way to install a fence on it?

    I don't see one but do know why it would be needed. A pin (like a
    router table) maybe but what would a fence do?


    It'd let you use the tool for edge sanding, or sanding long flats between
    curves where it's convenient to just use the single tool.

    On an oscillating spindle sander? Wrong tool.


    Yes, a spindle sander is for concave sanding.

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  • From s@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Wed Sep 7 20:10:07 2022
    krw@notreal.com wrote in
    news:rnqnfhplat5laadv7sp01cat0en30mdspd@4ax.com:

    I've been thinking about buying a spindle sander. The bench-top units
    seemed to have universal motors, which are not ideal for heavy use or
    in "fixed" (not hand-held) tools. I came across this Grizzly that
    seems to have an induction motor and for a pretty good price. It
    doesn't have a tilt able table but I don't think that's going to
    bother me much. Comments?

    <https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-3-hp-oscillating-spindle-sa nder/g0538>

    I have the grizzly one (about $240ish). I've had to replace the pulleys and drive gears after a year or so because ti wouldn't osscilate anymore. Now
    it seems the motore is on its way out after 4 yrs. Won't start turning when powered on, I have to help it get started.


    One of the cylinders is slightly oversized. Have to cool it down sometimes
    to get the sleeve off. The cylinder assortment from Grizly is pricey and
    the assortment isn't great. I only wnt one sleeve but had to buy 3 at a
    time.

    For a cheaper sander it's fine overall.

    Need to absolutely use dust collection.

    BTW sanding straight on one isn't the best. I've gone back to using my ROS angled at about 90ish degrees.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to s@s.com on Wed Sep 7 16:30:17 2022
    On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 20:10:07 +0000, s <s@s.com> wrote:

    krw@notreal.com wrote in
    news:rnqnfhplat5laadv7sp01cat0en30mdspd@4ax.com:

    I've been thinking about buying a spindle sander. The bench-top units
    seemed to have universal motors, which are not ideal for heavy use or
    in "fixed" (not hand-held) tools. I came across this Grizzly that
    seems to have an induction motor and for a pretty good price. It
    doesn't have a tilt able table but I don't think that's going to
    bother me much. Comments?

    <https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-3-hp-oscillating-spindle-sa
    nder/g0538>

    I have the grizzly one (about $240ish). I've had to replace the pulleys and >drive gears after a year or so because ti wouldn't osscilate anymore. Now
    it seems the motore is on its way out after 4 yrs. Won't start turning when >powered on, I have to help it get started.

    That sounds like a starting capacitor problem. It's usually an easy
    fix.


    One of the cylinders is slightly oversized. Have to cool it down sometimes
    to get the sleeve off. The cylinder assortment from Grizly is pricey and
    the assortment isn't great. I only wnt one sleeve but had to buy 3 at a
    time.

    Don't standard sleeves work? That's my first test. I'm going to
    Woodcraft Saturday so I'll bring the spindles and play.

    For a cheaper sander it's fine overall.

    I bought one but haven't tried it yet. Grizzly dropped prices
    recently. Evidently they were getting killed by container prices so
    passed it along. Other manufacturers may follow. I hope so. The
    price increases over the last year are unbelievable. I'm really not
    looking for tools but a new DC would be good.

    Need to absolutely use dust collection.

    That's true for any sander. Lungs and all that.

    BTW sanding straight on one isn't the best. I've gone back to using my ROS >angled at about 90ish degrees.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 10 16:59:43 2022
    On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 12:14:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 8/16/2022 2:11 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    I've been thinking about buying a spindle sander. The bench-top units
    seemed to have universal motors, which are not ideal for heavy use or
    in "fixed" (not hand-held) tools. I came across this Grizzly that
    seems to have an induction motor and for a pretty good price. It
    doesn't have a tilt able table but I don't think that's going to
    bother me much. Comments?

    <https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-1-3-hp-oscillating-spindle-sander/g0538>

    IMHO a universal motor would work as well as in induction motor, FOR
    THIS APPLICATION.

    I don't agree but to each. I'd go with the universal motor if it were
    all that was available but an induction motor is an advantage.

    It is indeed an induction motor (I came to that assumption by using
    induction ;).

    I was at Woodcraft today and noted that the Jet has an induction motor
    (not enough information on the Rikon). It was all metal, where the
    Grizzly is plastic and melamine.

    BUT universal would be nosier.

    Do you expect to use this machine a lot? Mine does not get used much
    as I do not do many concave curves, mine are mostly convex and a disk
    sander is better for that.

    I don't know. That's why I didn't want to spend a lot of money on
    one. I don't have another way of sanding internal curves. I've got
    many ways to sand surfaces and outside shapes.


    I find that a gentle application towards the cylinder works better,
    hence the comment above about the universal motor. Heavy handed and you >easily get divots.

    Larger spindles are going to need more torque than smaller spindles.

    I cannot remember ever using the tilt table on my Jet.

    BUT I do hook my DC up to it when I do use it. This one that you are
    looking at does say that it has a 2.5" dust port, I wonder where that is >located.

    It's mounted vertically under the table, with a slot going over to the
    space around the spindle bottom. It's going to need a lot of velocity
    to do anything. A DC isn't going to do it.

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