After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done this a long time ago.
Bob
On 8/15/2022 12:12 AM, Bob Davis wrote:
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center
punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done
this a long time ago.
Bob
I have an el-cheapo center punch that I mainly use on wood, but it seems
to work fine on metal when I use it. I think I paid about 6x's less than
a Starrett that does the same thing?
Seems an extremely uncomplicated tool, I'm a little curious what failed?
On 8/15/2022 8:56 AM, Jack wrote:
On 8/15/2022 12:12 AM, Bob Davis wrote:
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center
punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done
this a long time ago.
Bob
I have an el-cheapo center punch that I mainly use on wood, but it seems
to work fine on metal when I use it. I think I paid about 6x's less than
a Starrett that does the same thing?
Seems an extremely uncomplicated tool, I'm a little curious what failed?
The key problem is probably the "automatic" center punch. Some are
spring loaded and I guess they will jump or relocate when pulling back
on the spring.
On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 10:24:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 8/15/2022 8:56 AM, Jack wrote:
On 8/15/2022 12:12 AM, Bob Davis wrote:
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center
punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done
this a long time ago.
Bob
I have an el-cheapo center punch that I mainly use on wood, but it seems >> to work fine on metal when I use it. I think I paid about 6x's less than >> a Starrett that does the same thing?
Seems an extremely uncomplicated tool, I'm a little curious what failed? >>
The key problem is probably the "automatic" center punch. Some are
spring loaded and I guess they will jump or relocate when pulling back
on the spring.
No pulling up involved in these spring loaded ones -
- just pressing down :
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/tools/hand-tools/punches/56652-spring-loaded-punches
The Starrett is the same - position the point & push down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsY8U4exqOE
There is a version that self centers for hinges.
John T.
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done this a long time ago.
Bob
After the failure of the third miscellaneous
brand automatic center punch, I bit the bullet
and bought a Starrett. I should have done this
a long time ago.
On 8/15/2022 12:12 AM, Bob Davis wrote:
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done this a long time ago.
BobI have an el-cheapo center punch that I mainly use on wood, but it seems
to work fine on metal when I use it. I think I paid about 6x's less than
a Starrett that does the same thing?
Seems an extremely uncomplicated tool, I'm a little curious what failed?
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
On 8/15/2022 8:56 AM, Jack wrote:
On 8/15/2022 12:12 AM, Bob Davis wrote:
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center
punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done
this a long time ago.
Bob
I have an el-cheapo center punch that I mainly use on wood, but it seems
to work fine on metal when I use it. I think I paid about 6x's less than
a Starrett that does the same thing?
Seems an extremely uncomplicated tool, I'm a little curious what failed?
The key problem is probably the "automatic" center punch. Some are
spring loaded and I guess they will jump or relocate when pulling back
on the spring.
I use a pointy pokey thing, similar to an awl. for wood and a 40 year
old Craftsman center punch for metal. I have re-pointed that one
several times.
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:24:08 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 8/15/2022 8:56 AM, Jack wrote:
On 8/15/2022 12:12 AM, Bob Davis wrote:
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center
punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done
this a long time ago.
Bob
I have an el-cheapo center punch that I mainly use on wood, but it seems to work fine on metal when I use it. I think I paid about 6x's less than a Starrett that does the same thing?
Seems an extremely uncomplicated tool, I'm a little curious what failed?
The key problem is probably the "automatic" center punch. Some are
spring loaded and I guess they will jump or relocate when pulling back
on the spring.
I use a pointy pokey thing, similar to an awl. for wood and a 40 yearAn automatic punch can get into tight situations where there is no room for a manual punch and the associated hammer swing to drive it. In the end, it's all personal preference and style. Everyone's method is the best if it works for them.
old Craftsman center punch for metal. I have re-pointed that one
several times.
Bob
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:24:08 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 8/15/2022 8:56 AM, Jack wrote:
On 8/15/2022 12:12 AM, Bob Davis wrote:The key problem is probably the "automatic" center punch. Some are
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center
punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done
this a long time ago.
Bob
I have an el-cheapo center punch that I mainly use on wood, but it seems >> > to work fine on metal when I use it. I think I paid about 6x's less than >> > a Starrett that does the same thing?
Seems an extremely uncomplicated tool, I'm a little curious what failed? >> >
spring loaded and I guess they will jump or relocate when pulling back
on the spring.
I use a pointy pokey thing, similar to an awl. for wood and a 40 year
old Craftsman center punch for metal. I have re-pointed that one
several times.
An automatic punch can get into tight situations where there is no room for a manual punch and the associated hammer swing to drive it. In the end, it's all personal preference and style. Everyone's method is the best if it works for them.
Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> on Mon, 15 Aug 2022 18:05:55 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:24:08 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 8/15/2022 8:56 AM, Jack wrote:
On 8/15/2022 12:12 AM, Bob Davis wrote:The key problem is probably the "automatic" center punch. Some are
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center
punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done
this a long time ago.
Bob
I have an el-cheapo center punch that I mainly use on wood, but it seems >>> > to work fine on metal when I use it. I think I paid about 6x's less than >>> > a Starrett that does the same thing?
Seems an extremely uncomplicated tool, I'm a little curious what failed? >>> >
spring loaded and I guess they will jump or relocate when pulling back
on the spring.
I use a pointy pokey thing, similar to an awl. for wood and a 40 year
old Craftsman center punch for metal. I have re-pointed that one
several times.
An automatic punch can get into tight situations where there is no room for a manual punch and the associated hammer swing to drive it. In the end, it's all personal preference and style. Everyone's method is the best if it works for them.
I have seen, (and sold) some which aren't "automatic" but are two
parts connected by a spring. place the pointy end on the target, pull
the other 'handle' away and let go, the spring provides enough "oomph"
to make the mark.
I wish I'd bought one. My one automatic punch has a burr ...
works fin as a "punch" but the pointy bit doesn't slide.
On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 08:54:00 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> on Mon, 15 Aug 2022 18:05:55 -0700
(PDT) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 10:24:08 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 8/15/2022 8:56 AM, Jack wrote:
On 8/15/2022 12:12 AM, Bob Davis wrote:The key problem is probably the "automatic" center punch. Some are
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center >>>> >> punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done
this a long time ago.
Bob
I have an el-cheapo center punch that I mainly use on wood, but it seems >>>> > to work fine on metal when I use it. I think I paid about 6x's less than >>>> > a Starrett that does the same thing?
Seems an extremely uncomplicated tool, I'm a little curious what failed? >>>> >
spring loaded and I guess they will jump or relocate when pulling back >>>> on the spring.
I use a pointy pokey thing, similar to an awl. for wood and a 40 year
old Craftsman center punch for metal. I have re-pointed that one
several times.
An automatic punch can get into tight situations where there is no room for a manual punch and the associated hammer swing to drive it. In the end, it's all personal preference and style. Everyone's method is the best if it works for them.
I have seen, (and sold) some which aren't "automatic" but are two >>parts connected by a spring. place the pointy end on the target, pull
the other 'handle' away and let go, the spring provides enough "oomph"
to make the mark.
I wish I'd bought one. My one automatic punch has a burr ...
works fin as a "punch" but the pointy bit doesn't slide.
Woodcraft sells these with different sized pointy ends for hinges. I
don't see them on their site but they had them in the store(?).
An automatic punch can get into tight situations where there is no room for a manual punch and the associated hammer swing to drive it. In the end, it's all personal preference and style. Everyone's method is the best if it works for them.
I have seen, (and sold) some which aren't "automatic" but are two >>>parts connected by a spring. place the pointy end on the target, pull
the other 'handle' away and let go, the spring provides enough "oomph"
to make the mark.
I wish I'd bought one. My one automatic punch has a burr ...
works fin as a "punch" but the pointy bit doesn't slide.
Woodcraft sells these with different sized pointy ends for hinges. I
don't see them on their site but they had them in the store(?).
Seems like a 2-handed device < ? >
where a 1-handed version is more-available .. and, I'd guess - much faster to use ..
Unless I'm missing something ?
I also use an ancient little scratch awl for my centre-pokes <wood>
and a much newer < ~ 50 year old > solid centre punch for sinking
finishing nails or for metal. No moving parts. No complaints.
On 8/15/2022 8:56 AM, Jack wrote:The one I have you simply push down, no pulling required. I reckon the
On 8/15/2022 12:12 AM, Bob Davis wrote:
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center
punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done
this a long time ago.
Bob
I have an el-cheapo center punch that I mainly use on wood, but it
seems to work fine on metal when I use it. I think I paid about 6x's
less than a Starrett that does the same thing?
Seems an extremely uncomplicated tool, I'm a little curious what failed?
The key problem is probably the "automatic" center punch.  Some are
spring loaded and I guess they will jump or relocate when pulling back
on the spring.
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:56:07 AM UTC-5, Jack wrote:
On 8/15/2022 12:12 AM, Bob Davis wrote:
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done this a long time ago.I have an el-cheapo center punch that I mainly use on wood, but it seems
Bob
to work fine on metal when I use it. I think I paid about 6x's less than
a Starrett that does the same thing?
Seems an extremely uncomplicated tool, I'm a little curious what failed?
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
I saw an article that highlighted the number of designs for automatic center punch at the US Patent office. The variations are an assortment of springs, ball bearings, and odd shaped metal pistons - not quite as uncomplicated as outside appearances.
Every one of mine that failed, just quit releasing the spring energy designed to slam the punch into the target workpiece. There was no obvious wear or misalignment.
Bob
On 8/15/2022 9:01 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:56:07 AM UTC-5, Jack wrote:
On 8/15/2022 12:12 AM, Bob Davis wrote:
After the failure of the third miscellaneous brand automatic center punch, I bit the bullet and bought a Starrett. I should have done this a long time ago.I have an el-cheapo center punch that I mainly use on wood, but it seems >> to work fine on metal when I use it. I think I paid about 6x's less than >> a Starrett that does the same thing?
Bob
Seems an extremely uncomplicated tool, I'm a little curious what failed? >>
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
I saw an article that highlighted the number of designs for automatic center punch at the US Patent office. The variations are an assortment of springs, ball bearings, and odd shaped metal pistons - not quite as uncomplicated as outside appearances.
Every one of mine that failed, just quit releasing the spring energy designed to slam the punch into the target workpiece. There was no obvious wear or misalignment.
Bob
Thanks Bob, I reckon you use yours a lot.
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