• Drawer slider, soft close, for light duty drawers in bedside cabinet

    From Larry Mehl@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 26 17:49:56 2022
    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?

    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.

    Thank you for any suggestions,

    Larry Mehl

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to slmehl420@gmail.com on Tue Jul 26 22:23:40 2022
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slmehl420@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers? >The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl


    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.

    Just an example here :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235

    John T.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Larry Mehl on Wed Jul 27 10:05:29 2022
    On 7/26/2022 7:49 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?

    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.

    Thank you for any suggestions,

    Larry Mehl



    KV, G-Slide by KV, Accuride, Hardware Resources. These are side mount.

    I never use under mount personally because they are normally not rated
    to hold as mucu weight. And they are a bit more fussy to install.

    Keep in mind that soft close side mount are also fussy about fit. In particular the soft close feature. And these soft close features, in particular the plastic pin will wear over time and not actually engage
    over time. That results in the drawer pulling closed but remaining
    open slightly if the carcass side of the slide is flush with the front
    if your cabinet.

    Alternatively, if you are a business Hardware Resources have an
    exclusive soft close side mount slide that uses a steel pin to pull the
    drawer fully closed. You can search YouTube for Hardware Resources
    soft close slides to see how theirs differ.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s07xBw90nms

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Jul 27 10:18:44 2022
    On 7/27/2022 10:05 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/26/2022 7:49 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider for
    relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?

    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.

    Thank you for any suggestions,

    Larry Mehl



    KV, G-Slide by KV,  Accuride, Hardware Resources.   These are side mount.

    I never use under mount personally because they are normally not rated
    to hold as mucu weight.   And they are a bit more fussy to install.

    Keep in mind that soft close side mount are also fussy about fit.   In particular the soft close feature.  And these soft close features, in particular the plastic pin will wear over time and not actually engage
    over time.   That results in the drawer pulling closed but remaining
    open slightly if the carcass side of the slide is flush with the front
    if your cabinet.

    Alternatively, if you are a business Hardware Resources have an
    exclusive soft close side mount slide that uses a steel pin to pull the drawer fully closed.   You can search YouTube for Hardware Resources
    soft close slides to see how theirs differ.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s07xBw90nms



    The link above is for a brand I have not been aware of but are VERY
    reasonably priced and look a LOT LIKE Hardware Resources slides.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Wed Jul 27 13:53:52 2022
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 10:31:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:05:37 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/26/2022 7:49 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?

    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.

    Thank you for any suggestions,

    Larry Mehl
    KV, G-Slide by KV, Accuride, Hardware Resources. These are side mount.

    I never use under mount personally because they are normally not rated
    to hold as mucu weight. And they are a bit more fussy to install.


    I have used the KV MUV (Swingman's favorite) undermount slides, rated at
    100 lbs, with great satisfaction. Tall, wide drawers, 22" deep, filled with >ceramic and glass bowls. In my kitchen, they have performed better than the >KV G-slides that I used on the lighter-use drawers.

    These are the drawers I recently put in my daughter's kitchen using the KV MUV's.

    https://i.imgur.com/GHOKTJP.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/UdUTTvo.jpg

    Yes, they make the build/install a little tougher, but if a relative novice like me can
    get them right, there's hope for all. ;-)

    Note to the OP:

    I am aware that you do not need anything as beefy as the KV MUV's. I'm also guessing
    that retrofitting your drawers to use the MUV's may not be possible due to the strict
    installation requirements. To use the MUV's you basically have to build the drawers
    to work with the slides. The drawer and slides become a "system". You don't just screw
    them on to any given drawer.

    OTOH, I stole the following from an old thread and I give Swingman credit for the idea. I
    used his mounting method when I built new drawers for my stick built cabinets, where
    the lack of interior side panels means you have nothing to attach side mount slides to
    By building the "carrier" you don't need side walls. You can attach it to the face frame
    and rear of the cabinet or set it on the existing wooden rails, like I did.

    By using this method, I was able to make my drawers 4" deeper than the originals and
    use full extension side, soft close, side mount slides.

    https://i.imgur.com/PRioPSF.jpg

    I hope that helps.


    The Blum slides have optional " rear mount sockets " available
    for face frame installations a few bucks per pair :

    https://assets.leevalley.com/Original/10106/55143-standard-blum-slides-c-01-e.pdf

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/slide-accessories/100365-rear-sockets-for-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6299

    John T.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Jul 27 10:31:07 2022
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:05:37 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/26/2022 7:49 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?

    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.

    Thank you for any suggestions,

    Larry Mehl
    KV, G-Slide by KV, Accuride, Hardware Resources. These are side mount.

    I never use under mount personally because they are normally not rated
    to hold as mucu weight. And they are a bit more fussy to install.


    I have used the KV MUV (Swingman's favorite) undermount slides, rated at
    100 lbs, with great satisfaction. Tall, wide drawers, 22" deep, filled with ceramic and glass bowls. In my kitchen, they have performed better than the
    KV G-slides that I used on the lighter-use drawers.

    These are the drawers I recently put in my daughter's kitchen using the KV MUV's.

    https://i.imgur.com/GHOKTJP.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/UdUTTvo.jpg

    Yes, they make the build/install a little tougher, but if a relative novice like me can
    get them right, there's hope for all. ;-)

    Note to the OP:

    I am aware that you do not need anything as beefy as the KV MUV's. I'm also guessing
    that retrofitting your drawers to use the MUV's may not be possible due to the strict
    installation requirements. To use the MUV's you basically have to build the drawers
    to work with the slides. The drawer and slides become a "system". You don't just screw
    them on to any given drawer.

    OTOH, I stole the following from an old thread and I give Swingman credit for the idea. I
    used his mounting method when I built new drawers for my stick built cabinets, where
    the lack of interior side panels means you have nothing to attach side mount slides to
    By building the "carrier" you don't need side walls. You can attach it to the face frame
    and rear of the cabinet or set it on the existing wooden rails, like I did.

    By using this method, I was able to make my drawers 4" deeper than the originals and
    use full extension side, soft close, side mount slides.

    https://i.imgur.com/PRioPSF.jpg

    I hope that helps.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 27 12:55:31 2022
    On 7/27/2022 12:31 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:05:37 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/26/2022 7:49 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?

    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.

    Thank you for any suggestions,

    Larry Mehl
    KV, G-Slide by KV, Accuride, Hardware Resources. These are side mount.

    I never use under mount personally because they are normally not rated
    to hold as mucu weight. And they are a bit more fussy to install.


    I have used the KV MUV (Swingman's favorite) undermount slides, rated at
    100 lbs, with great satisfaction. Tall, wide drawers, 22" deep, filled with ceramic and glass bowls. In my kitchen, they have performed better than the KV G-slides that I used on the lighter-use drawers.

    These are the drawers I recently put in my daughter's kitchen using the KV MUV's.

    https://i.imgur.com/GHOKTJP.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/UdUTTvo.jpg

    Yes, they make the build/install a little tougher, but if a relative novice like me can
    get them right, there's hope for all. ;-)

    Note to the OP:

    I am aware that you do not need anything as beefy as the KV MUV's. I'm also guessing
    that retrofitting your drawers to use the MUV's may not be possible due to the strict
    installation requirements. To use the MUV's you basically have to build the drawers
    to work with the slides. The drawer and slides become a "system". You don't just screw
    them on to any given drawer.

    OTOH, I stole the following from an old thread and I give Swingman credit for the idea. I
    used his mounting method when I built new drawers for my stick built cabinets, where
    the lack of interior side panels means you have nothing to attach side mount slides to
    By building the "carrier" you don't need side walls. You can attach it to the face frame
    and rear of the cabinet or set it on the existing wooden rails, like I did.

    By using this method, I was able to make my drawers 4" deeper than the originals and
    use full extension side, soft close, side mount slides.

    https://i.imgur.com/PRioPSF.jpg

    I hope that helps.

    Those were the days, Swingman and I probably built 7~8 ketchens together.

    These under mount slides that we installed were time consuming. And as
    you stated the drawer has to be a certain size to work. I think the
    newer version allow less clearance for the drawer sides, meaning the
    drawers can bee deeper top to bottom.

    BUT all drawers, regardless of the slide, should be built after the
    cabinet is built and after you have purchased your slides.

    Concerning Swingman's adaptation for FF slides drawers. I build a case
    that holds multiple drawers, that can be slid in under the top drawer,
    to use the bottom of the cabinet space. The beauty to my method is you
    are only inside the cabinet to put 2 anchoring screws into the bottom of
    the cabinet. All other work is on my bench top.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Jul 27 12:08:38 2022
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 1:55:40 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/27/2022 12:31 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:05:37 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/26/2022 7:49 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?

    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.

    Thank you for any suggestions,

    Larry Mehl
    KV, G-Slide by KV, Accuride, Hardware Resources. These are side mount.

    I never use under mount personally because they are normally not rated
    to hold as mucu weight. And they are a bit more fussy to install.


    I have used the KV MUV (Swingman's favorite) undermount slides, rated at 100 lbs, with great satisfaction. Tall, wide drawers, 22" deep, filled with ceramic and glass bowls. In my kitchen, they have performed better than the KV G-slides that I used on the lighter-use drawers.

    These are the drawers I recently put in my daughter's kitchen using the KV MUV's.

    https://i.imgur.com/GHOKTJP.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/UdUTTvo.jpg

    Yes, they make the build/install a little tougher, but if a relative novice like me can
    get them right, there's hope for all. ;-)

    Note to the OP:

    I am aware that you do not need anything as beefy as the KV MUV's. I'm also guessing
    that retrofitting your drawers to use the MUV's may not be possible due to the strict
    installation requirements. To use the MUV's you basically have to build the drawers
    to work with the slides. The drawer and slides become a "system". You don't just screw
    them on to any given drawer.

    OTOH, I stole the following from an old thread and I give Swingman credit for the idea. I
    used his mounting method when I built new drawers for my stick built cabinets, where
    the lack of interior side panels means you have nothing to attach side mount slides to
    By building the "carrier" you don't need side walls. You can attach it to the face frame
    and rear of the cabinet or set it on the existing wooden rails, like I did.

    By using this method, I was able to make my drawers 4" deeper than the originals and
    use full extension side, soft close, side mount slides.

    https://i.imgur.com/PRioPSF.jpg

    I hope that helps.
    Those were the days, Swingman and I probably built 7~8 ketchens together.

    These under mount slides that we installed were time consuming. And as
    you stated the drawer has to be a certain size to work. I think the
    newer version allow less clearance for the drawer sides, meaning the
    drawers can bee deeper top to bottom.

    BUT all drawers, regardless of the slide, should be built after the
    cabinet is built and after you have purchased your slides.

    Concerning Swingman's adaptation for FF slides drawers. I build a case
    that holds multiple drawers, that can be slid in under the top drawer,
    to use the bottom of the cabinet space. The beauty to my method is you
    are only inside the cabinet to put 2 anchoring screws into the bottom of
    the cabinet. All other work is on my bench top.

    Your drawer case sounds like a "bigger version" of Swingman's carrier. The bench work aspect of both is what I like. However, if I'm picturing it correctly,
    I don't think it would adapt very well for fixed shelf cabinets like mine. You'd
    have to build 2, right?

    Question: With the carrier, you can basically use the full width and height of the rough opening assuming you can finagle the carrier into place so that
    both rails are behind the face frame. If the case slips in through the rough opening,
    don't you give up some height and width because of the case material itself?

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.com on Wed Jul 27 11:58:20 2022
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 1:53:34 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 10:31:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:05:37 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/26/2022 7:49 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?

    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.

    Thank you for any suggestions,

    Larry Mehl
    KV, G-Slide by KV, Accuride, Hardware Resources. These are side mount.

    I never use under mount personally because they are normally not rated
    to hold as mucu weight. And they are a bit more fussy to install.


    I have used the KV MUV (Swingman's favorite) undermount slides, rated at >100 lbs, with great satisfaction. Tall, wide drawers, 22" deep, filled with >ceramic and glass bowls. In my kitchen, they have performed better than the >KV G-slides that I used on the lighter-use drawers.

    These are the drawers I recently put in my daughter's kitchen using the KV MUV's.

    https://i.imgur.com/GHOKTJP.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/UdUTTvo.jpg

    Yes, they make the build/install a little tougher, but if a relative novice like me can
    get them right, there's hope for all. ;-)

    Note to the OP:

    I am aware that you do not need anything as beefy as the KV MUV's. I'm also guessing
    that retrofitting your drawers to use the MUV's may not be possible due to the strict
    installation requirements. To use the MUV's you basically have to build the drawers
    to work with the slides. The drawer and slides become a "system". You don't just screw
    them on to any given drawer.

    OTOH, I stole the following from an old thread and I give Swingman credit for the idea. I
    used his mounting method when I built new drawers for my stick built cabinets, where
    the lack of interior side panels means you have nothing to attach side mount slides to
    By building the "carrier" you don't need side walls. You can attach it to the face frame
    and rear of the cabinet or set it on the existing wooden rails, like I did.

    By using this method, I was able to make my drawers 4" deeper than the originals and
    use full extension side, soft close, side mount slides.

    https://i.imgur.com/PRioPSF.jpg

    I hope that helps.
    The Blum slides have optional " rear mount sockets " available
    for face frame installations a few bucks per pair :

    https://assets.leevalley.com/Original/10106/55143-standard-blum-slides-c-01-e.pdf

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/slide-accessories/100365-rear-sockets-for-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6299

    John T.

    The KV's do also. In my case, there is no back to the stick built cabinets and I would have had
    to mount the rear brackets to the plaster wall. PITA. Using the "carrier" made it much easier to
    level and secure it since it's just one piece.

    Working inside cabinets is hard enough, especially inside stick builts with the extra structure
    and fixed shelves. Attaching 2 separate pieces to the back wall for 8 drawers would have been
    tough. As Swingman notes, when using the carrier, you can test your fit on the bench and get it
    working. However it acts on the bench is how it will act when installed. No inside the cabinet
    tweaking required.

    It's just a suggestion that has worked out well for others.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 27 16:57:04 2022
    On 7/27/2022 2:08 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 1:55:40 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/27/2022 12:31 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:05:37 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/26/2022 7:49 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?

    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.

    Thank you for any suggestions,

    Larry Mehl
    KV, G-Slide by KV, Accuride, Hardware Resources. These are side mount. >>>>
    I never use under mount personally because they are normally not rated >>>> to hold as mucu weight. And they are a bit more fussy to install.


    I have used the KV MUV (Swingman's favorite) undermount slides, rated at >>> 100 lbs, with great satisfaction. Tall, wide drawers, 22" deep, filled with >>> ceramic and glass bowls. In my kitchen, they have performed better than the >>> KV G-slides that I used on the lighter-use drawers.

    These are the drawers I recently put in my daughter's kitchen using the KV MUV's.

    https://i.imgur.com/GHOKTJP.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/UdUTTvo.jpg

    Yes, they make the build/install a little tougher, but if a relative novice like me can
    get them right, there's hope for all. ;-)

    Note to the OP:

    I am aware that you do not need anything as beefy as the KV MUV's. I'm also guessing
    that retrofitting your drawers to use the MUV's may not be possible due to the strict
    installation requirements. To use the MUV's you basically have to build the drawers
    to work with the slides. The drawer and slides become a "system". You don't just screw
    them on to any given drawer.

    OTOH, I stole the following from an old thread and I give Swingman credit for the idea. I
    used his mounting method when I built new drawers for my stick built cabinets, where
    the lack of interior side panels means you have nothing to attach side mount slides to
    By building the "carrier" you don't need side walls. You can attach it to the face frame
    and rear of the cabinet or set it on the existing wooden rails, like I did. >>>
    By using this method, I was able to make my drawers 4" deeper than the originals and
    use full extension side, soft close, side mount slides.

    https://i.imgur.com/PRioPSF.jpg

    I hope that helps.
    Those were the days, Swingman and I probably built 7~8 ketchens together.

    These under mount slides that we installed were time consuming. And as
    you stated the drawer has to be a certain size to work. I think the
    newer version allow less clearance for the drawer sides, meaning the
    drawers can bee deeper top to bottom.

    BUT all drawers, regardless of the slide, should be built after the
    cabinet is built and after you have purchased your slides.

    Concerning Swingman's adaptation for FF slides drawers. I build a case
    that holds multiple drawers, that can be slid in under the top drawer,
    to use the bottom of the cabinet space. The beauty to my method is you
    are only inside the cabinet to put 2 anchoring screws into the bottom of
    the cabinet. All other work is on my bench top.

    Your drawer case sounds like a "bigger version" of Swingman's carrier. The bench work aspect of both is what I like. However, if I'm picturing it correctly,
    I don't think it would adapt very well for fixed shelf cabinets like mine. You'd
    have to build 2, right?

    Essentially, yes but Swingman's were made for the upper/top drawers
    above the cabinet doors. I built a similar and simpler set up for the
    upper drawer.

    I used a 3/4" piece of plywood about 2" wide and as long as the cabinet
    is wide inside. I place it behind the face frame drawer opening and
    mark the rough opening on to the plywood on both sides of the drawer
    opening.

    Take it to the work bench and attach the rear optional brackets on the
    inner edge of the marked lines. I attach the assembly with screws in
    to studs or the back of the cabinet.

    You can use a story stick matching the bottom of the drawer rough
    opening at the back to hold the slide rear bracket in the right place.




    Question: With the carrier, you can basically use the full width and height of
    the rough opening assuming you can finagle the carrier into place so that both rails are behind the face frame. If the case slips in through the rough opening,
    don't you give up some height and width because of the case material itself?


    I build these carriers as a retrofit for existing kitchen cabinets that
    already have counter tops. If I am building the cabinet I would not use
    a carrier but would use the method I mention just above.

    Because prebuilt builder cabinets bottom storage is so inefficient,
    normally a single shelf, My carrier and drawers make much better use of
    the space EVEN THOUGH you DO LOSE 1" of width of the rough opening.
    And that is assuming you build the carrier sides with 1/2" Baltic birch.
    Basically you loose double the thickness of the material used for the carrier.

    The carrier does not have the height of the opening. Just high enough
    to mount the top drawer slide. The top drawer and carrier have to be
    slightly shorter in height than the opening.

    NOTE! If your hinges protrude into the rough opening you may have to
    remove the door and hinge to slide the carrier in. AND the hinge may interfere with the slide travel if both are in the same spot.

    1000 words...

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/52246343370/in/datetaken/

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/50871370317/in/datetaken/

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Wed Jul 27 16:27:19 2022
    On 7/27/2022 12:53 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 10:31:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:05:37 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/26/2022 7:49 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?

    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.

    Thank you for any suggestions,

    Larry Mehl
    KV, G-Slide by KV, Accuride, Hardware Resources. These are side mount.

    I never use under mount personally because they are normally not rated
    to hold as mucu weight. And they are a bit more fussy to install.


    I have used the KV MUV (Swingman's favorite) undermount slides, rated at
    100 lbs, with great satisfaction. Tall, wide drawers, 22" deep, filled with >> ceramic and glass bowls. In my kitchen, they have performed better than the >> KV G-slides that I used on the lighter-use drawers.

    These are the drawers I recently put in my daughter's kitchen using the KV MUV's.

    https://i.imgur.com/GHOKTJP.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/UdUTTvo.jpg

    Yes, they make the build/install a little tougher, but if a relative novice like me can
    get them right, there's hope for all. ;-)

    Note to the OP:

    I am aware that you do not need anything as beefy as the KV MUV's. I'm also guessing
    that retrofitting your drawers to use the MUV's may not be possible due to the strict
    installation requirements. To use the MUV's you basically have to build the drawers
    to work with the slides. The drawer and slides become a "system". You don't just screw
    them on to any given drawer.

    OTOH, I stole the following from an old thread and I give Swingman credit for the idea. I
    used his mounting method when I built new drawers for my stick built cabinets, where
    the lack of interior side panels means you have nothing to attach side mount slides to
    By building the "carrier" you don't need side walls. You can attach it to the face frame
    and rear of the cabinet or set it on the existing wooden rails, like I did. >>
    By using this method, I was able to make my drawers 4" deeper than the originals and
    use full extension side, soft close, side mount slides.

    https://i.imgur.com/PRioPSF.jpg

    I hope that helps.


    The Blum slides have optional " rear mount sockets " available
    for face frame installations a few bucks per pair :


    All slide manufacturers offer the rear mounts as an option.



    https://assets.leevalley.com/Original/10106/55143-standard-blum-slides-c-01-e.pdf

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/slide-accessories/100365-rear-sockets-for-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6299

    John T.

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  • From Larry Mehl@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Jul 27 20:15:07 2022
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-7, Leon wrote:
    On 7/26/2022 7:49 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?

    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.

    Thank you for any suggestions,

    Larry Mehl
    KV, G-Slide by KV, Accuride, Hardware Resources. These are side mount.

    I never use under mount personally because they are normally not rated
    to hold as mucu weight. And they are a bit more fussy to install.

    Keep in mind that soft close side mount are also fussy about fit. In particular the soft close feature. And these soft close features, in particular the plastic pin will wear over time and not actually engage
    over time. That results in the drawer pulling closed but remaining
    open slightly if the carcass side of the slide is flush with the front
    if your cabinet.

    Alternatively, if you are a business Hardware Resources have an
    exclusive soft close side mount slide that uses a steel pin to pull the drawer fully closed. You can search YouTube for Hardware Resources
    soft close slides to see how theirs differ.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s07xBw90nms
    Leon --
    Thanks for the Desunia drawer sliders video. I will dig deeper.
    Before I viewed it I was excited about Hardware Resources' cheap version ... 303-50-14.

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  • From Larry Mehl@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.com on Wed Jul 27 20:20:48 2022
    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers? >The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl
    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.

    Just an example here :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235

    John T.
    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
    Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!

    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit). Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation). The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

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  • From Larry Mehl@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 27 20:24:53 2022
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:58:23 AM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 1:53:34 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 10:31:07 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:05:37 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/26/2022 7:49 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?

    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.

    Thank you for any suggestions,

    Larry Mehl
    KV, G-Slide by KV, Accuride, Hardware Resources. These are side mount. >>
    I never use under mount personally because they are normally not rated >> to hold as mucu weight. And they are a bit more fussy to install.


    I have used the KV MUV (Swingman's favorite) undermount slides, rated at >100 lbs, with great satisfaction. Tall, wide drawers, 22" deep, filled with
    ceramic and glass bowls. In my kitchen, they have performed better than the
    KV G-slides that I used on the lighter-use drawers.

    These are the drawers I recently put in my daughter's kitchen using the KV MUV's.

    https://i.imgur.com/GHOKTJP.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/UdUTTvo.jpg

    Yes, they make the build/install a little tougher, but if a relative novice like me can
    get them right, there's hope for all. ;-)

    Note to the OP:

    I am aware that you do not need anything as beefy as the KV MUV's. I'm also guessing
    that retrofitting your drawers to use the MUV's may not be possible due to the strict
    installation requirements. To use the MUV's you basically have to build the drawers
    to work with the slides. The drawer and slides become a "system". You don't just screw
    them on to any given drawer.

    OTOH, I stole the following from an old thread and I give Swingman credit for the idea. I
    used his mounting method when I built new drawers for my stick built cabinets, where
    the lack of interior side panels means you have nothing to attach side mount slides to
    By building the "carrier" you don't need side walls. You can attach it to the face frame
    and rear of the cabinet or set it on the existing wooden rails, like I did.

    By using this method, I was able to make my drawers 4" deeper than the originals and
    use full extension side, soft close, side mount slides.

    https://i.imgur.com/PRioPSF.jpg

    I hope that helps.
    The Blum slides have optional " rear mount sockets " available
    for face frame installations a few bucks per pair :

    https://assets.leevalley.com/Original/10106/55143-standard-blum-slides-c-01-e.pdf

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/slide-accessories/100365-rear-sockets-for-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6299

    John T.
    The KV's do also. In my case, there is no back to the stick built cabinets and I would have had
    to mount the rear brackets to the plaster wall. PITA. Using the "carrier" made it much easier to
    level and secure it since it's just one piece.

    Working inside cabinets is hard enough, especially inside stick builts with the extra structure
    and fixed shelves. Attaching 2 separate pieces to the back wall for 8 drawers would have been
    tough. As Swingman notes, when using the carrier, you can test your fit on the bench and get it
    working. However it acts on the bench is how it will act when installed. No inside the cabinet
    tweaking required.

    It's just a suggestion that has worked out well for others.

    DerbyDad03

    Thank you.

    Lucky me that I won't be working inside existing cabinets! No carriers to build.
    See my response to John T.
    There will be two drawers (approx 8" tall), built from "boxes" to which is attached the walnut front which is flush with the case front.
    They are separated by a "shelf", the front of which is 3/4" behind the plane of the case front.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to slmehl420@gmail.com on Thu Jul 28 08:43:07 2022
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slmehl420@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names] >Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation). >The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.



    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?

    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to slme...@gmail.com on Thu Jul 28 06:56:28 2022
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:20:50 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl
    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.

    Just an example here :




    John T.
    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names] Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!

    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit). Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation). The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    Since your cabinets have yet to be built, and assuming that you plan to
    build them to last, I suggest that you look at price difference between a
    basic (cheap) slide and a decent, quality slide from a known manufacturer.
    The price difference may not significant enough based on what you get for
    your money. (Careful - even the big guys have cheap slides, so it's not just the name that matters. They want to participate at all price points.)

    Not only will the higher quality slides operate better right away and for a longer time, consider the possibility that these cabinets may some day
    have a different purpose - something that will mean more weight.

    As Leon and I both mentioned, buy your slides then build to them. Not all slides mount the same way or require the same spacing.

    Good luck and post pictures.

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  • From Larry Mehl@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.com on Thu Jul 28 20:40:21 2022
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote: >> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names] >Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation). >The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?

    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

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  • From Larry Mehl@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 28 20:43:41 2022
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 6:56:30 AM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:20:50 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl
    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.

    Just an example here :




    John T.
    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names] Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!

    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit). Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation). The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.
    Since your cabinets have yet to be built, and assuming that you plan to
    build them to last, I suggest that you look at price difference between a basic (cheap) slide and a decent, quality slide from a known manufacturer. The price difference may not significant enough based on what you get for your money. (Careful - even the big guys have cheap slides, so it's not just the name that matters. They want to participate at all price points.)

    Not only will the higher quality slides operate better right away and for a longer time, consider the possibility that these cabinets may some day
    have a different purpose - something that will mean more weight.

    As Leon and I both mentioned, buy your slides then build to them. Not all slides mount the same way or require the same spacing.

    Good luck and post pictures.
    Good advice. We will build to the slide (and plan for some shims!).

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to slme...@gmail.com on Thu Jul 28 23:43:35 2022
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names] >Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
    The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?

    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 29 07:08:25 2022
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14. The DUR45B 20 is neither.


    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Larry Mehl on Fri Jul 29 10:38:07 2022
    On 7/28/2022 10:43 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 6:56:30 AM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:20:50 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote: >>>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl
    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.

    Just an example here :




    John T.
    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
    Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!

    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit). Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation). The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.
    Since your cabinets have yet to be built, and assuming that you plan to
    build them to last, I suggest that you look at price difference between a
    basic (cheap) slide and a decent, quality slide from a known manufacturer. >> The price difference may not significant enough based on what you get for
    your money. (Careful - even the big guys have cheap slides, so it's not just >> the name that matters. They want to participate at all price points.)

    Not only will the higher quality slides operate better right away and for a >> longer time, consider the possibility that these cabinets may some day
    have a different purpose - something that will mean more weight.

    As Leon and I both mentioned, buy your slides then build to them. Not all
    slides mount the same way or require the same spacing.

    Good luck and post pictures.
    Good advice. We will build to the slide (and plan for some shims!).

    OR non shims. My experience is that the slides tend to work better
    with being a touch loose vs a touch tight.

    THE IMPORTANT thing is to build square and parallel. You do not want
    the slides to be wider or narrower, front or back than the opposite end.
    that goes for both the carcass and the drawers.

    My method is to build the carcass and install the complete slide on the carcass, reinstall the drawer side of the slide after installing the
    carcass side of the slide.

    My drawer sides have rabbets on each end to receive the front and backs.
    The fronts and backs simply fit into the rabbits on each side, it is
    a plain square 90 degree cut for the front and back. Then groves to
    receive the bottoms and a dry fit, with the bottom too.

    Carry that to the cabinet and test the fit between the slides. JUST
    TOUCHING is what you want, all the way back. You can wrap masking tape
    around the drawer to hold the parts together.

    Too loose, cut your front and back longer. Too tight, shorten your
    front and back.

    Use your first test cut drawer to sample every location that will
    receive drawers.


    After you have established the correct lengths for the front and backs
    cut the remaining drawer front and backs for that cabinet.



    After glue up of the drawers I reinforce the corners with Domino's on
    the sides of the drawers through the rabbet. You can also reinforce the corners with dowels. Cut long and cut off excess with a pull saw, or
    multi tool.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Larry Mehl on Fri Jul 29 10:21:02 2022
    On 7/28/2022 10:40 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote: >>>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
    Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
    The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?

    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.


    KV has been around for quit a while. IIRC they have a life time
    warranty. I would say you cannot go wrong with that brand.


    BUT !!!! Replacement with any brand slide is the issue. You will
    have to remove the slide to replace it. While that does not seem hard,
    in many cases the slide was installed on a work bench with easy access.
    Food for thought.

    I will say that I have had no issues with any slides that do not have a
    soft close feature.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.com on Fri Jul 29 08:41:32 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

    Sorry, forgot to point out that the OP originally requested soft-close, so that's the
    only KV I looked at. If he's changing his criteria, then a cheaper slide may work for him.
    There's not much that can go wrong with a decent quality non-soft-close but as I said
    earlier, I have no experience with the Lee Valley slides.

    I always find it interesting when places use phrases like "this updated-design version".
    "Updated" does not necessarily mean better.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.com on Fri Jul 29 08:32:00 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

    Is it just about price?

    The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
    like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point.

    $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax

    I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
    make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
    haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.

    Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
    and compare them side by side.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 29 10:46:28 2022
    On 7/29/2022 10:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

    Is it just about price?

    The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
    like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point.

    $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax

    I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
    make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
    haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.

    Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
    and compare them side by side.


    WoodWorkers Hardware is a source for slides that I have used for decades.

    https://www.wwhardware.com/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwio6XBhCMARIsAC0u9aG6A0InEmwXO4IQ1HLvRaGdiiejFa_H-Xcz6hdkEjgzOPkSI5IQpQ4aAl0yEALw_wcB

    Along with Cornerstone hardware, a local distributor.

    https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Fri Jul 29 10:43:30 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:46:38 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/29/2022 10:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

    Is it just about price?

    The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
    like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point.

    $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax

    I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
    make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
    haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.

    Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
    and compare them side by side.

    WoodWorkers Hardware is a source for slides that I have used for decades.

    https://www.wwhardware.com/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwio6XBhCMARIsAC0u9aG6A0InEmwXO4IQ1HLvRaGdiiejFa_H-Xcz6hdkEjgzOPkSI5IQpQ4aAl0yEALw_wcB

    Along with Cornerstone hardware, a local distributor.

    https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp

    I have purchased slides from WWH in the past. The example I've been using for the OP are the KV 8450FM 14".

    $98 with free shipping for 4 pairs on Amazon, $132 with shipping from WWH.

    I can't seem to get to the Cornerstone site. Both your link and the same link found via a Google search for Cornerstone don't work. I tried 2 different devices, one on my WiFi, one not. Same error.

    This site can’t be reached
    www.cabinethardware.com’s server IP address could not be found.

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  • From Larry Mehl@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 29 15:07:14 2022
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider >> >for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names] >Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
    The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?

    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.
    My typo ... The DUR45B comes in a 14".

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Fri Jul 29 18:17:46 2022
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 10:43:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:46:38 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/29/2022 10:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote: >> >>>> Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

    Is it just about price?

    The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
    like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point. >> >
    $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax

    I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
    make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
    haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.

    Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
    and compare them side by side.

    WoodWorkers Hardware is a source for slides that I have used for decades.

    https://www.wwhardware.com/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwio6XBhCMARIsAC0u9aG6A0InEmwXO4IQ1HLvRaGdiiejFa_H-Xcz6hdkEjgzOPkSI5IQpQ4aAl0yEALw_wcB

    Along with Cornerstone hardware, a local distributor.

    https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp

    I have purchased slides from WWH in the past. The example I've been using for >the OP are the KV 8450FM 14".

    $98 with free shipping for 4 pairs on Amazon, $132 with shipping from WWH.

    I can't seem to get to the Cornerstone site. Both your link and the same link >found via a Google search for Cornerstone don't work. I tried 2 different >devices, one on my WiFi, one not. Same error.

    This site cant be reached
    www.cabinethardware.coms server IP address could not be found.

    .<https://www.cabinethardware.com/> worked for me.


    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 29 17:27:31 2022
    On 7/29/2022 12:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:46:38 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/29/2022 10:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote: >>>>>> Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

    Is it just about price?

    The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
    like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point. >>>
    $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax

    I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
    make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
    haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.

    Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
    and compare them side by side.

    WoodWorkers Hardware is a source for slides that I have used for decades.

    https://www.wwhardware.com/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwio6XBhCMARIsAC0u9aG6A0InEmwXO4IQ1HLvRaGdiiejFa_H-Xcz6hdkEjgzOPkSI5IQpQ4aAl0yEALw_wcB

    Along with Cornerstone hardware, a local distributor.

    https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp

    I have purchased slides from WWH in the past. The example I've been using for the OP are the KV 8450FM 14".

    $98 with free shipping for 4 pairs on Amazon, $132 with shipping from WWH.

    I can't seem to get to the Cornerstone site. Both your link and the same link found via a Google search for Cornerstone don't work. I tried 2 different devices, one on my WiFi, one not. Same error.

    This site can’t be reached
    www.cabinethardware.com’s server IP address could not be found.



    https://www.cabinethardware.com/

    Past that google cornerstone Hardware.

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  • From Larry Mehl@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.com on Fri Jul 29 15:41:25 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 4:08:07 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.
    Amazon has the
    KVDUR45B14
    for $6.44 https://smile.amazon.com/Knape-Vogt-KVDUR45B14-DuriSlide-Extension/dp/B08HJR7B4D/ref=sr_1_2?crid=24GOZEN2GX7Y0&keywords=drawer+slide+hardware+side+mount&qid=1656543070&refinements=p_89%3AKnape+%26+Vogt&rnid=2528832011&s=hi&sprefix=drawer+slider+hardware%
    2Caps%2C135&sr=1-2

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Fri Jul 29 15:47:05 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:27:39 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/29/2022 12:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:46:38 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/29/2022 10:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither. >>>>>
    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

    Is it just about price?

    The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
    like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point.

    $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax

    I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
    make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
    haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.

    Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
    and compare them side by side.

    WoodWorkers Hardware is a source for slides that I have used for decades. >>
    https://www.wwhardware.com/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwio6XBhCMARIsAC0u9aG6A0InEmwXO4IQ1HLvRaGdiiejFa_H-Xcz6hdkEjgzOPkSI5IQpQ4aAl0yEALw_wcB

    Along with Cornerstone hardware, a local distributor.

    https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp

    I have purchased slides from WWH in the past. The example I've been using for
    the OP are the KV 8450FM 14".

    $98 with free shipping for 4 pairs on Amazon, $132 with shipping from WWH.

    I can't seem to get to the Cornerstone site. Both your link and the same link
    found via a Google search for Cornerstone don't work. I tried 2 different devices, one on my WiFi, one not. Same error.

    This site can’t be reached
    www.cabinethardware.com’s server IP address could not be found.

    https://www.cabinethardware.com/

    Past that google cornerstone Hardware.

    I did, earlier. The link returned by the Google search (same link as yours) did not work,
    but it is working now. It definitely wasn't working when I tried it at 1:43PM EST.

    The same 2 devices (PC and smartphone) that presented the IP error earlier can both
    access the website now. I know I haven't changed anything. Haven't even closed my
    browsers.

    They must have had a short term outage.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Fri Jul 29 18:45:37 2022
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 08:41:32 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

    Sorry, forgot to point out that the OP originally requested soft-close, so that's the
    only KV I looked at. If he's changing his criteria, then a cheaper slide may work for him.
    There's not much that can go wrong with a decent quality non-soft-close but as I said
    earlier, I have no experience with the Lee Valley slides.

    I always find it interesting when places use phrases like "this updated-design version".
    "Updated" does not necessarily mean better.

    Usually it means cheaper, but more expensive.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to slme...@gmail.com on Fri Jul 29 15:50:25 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:41:27 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 4:08:07 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.
    Amazon has the
    KVDUR45B14
    for $6.44 https://smile.amazon.com/Knape-Vogt-KVDUR45B14-DuriSlide-Extension/dp/B08HJR7B4D/ref=sr_1_2?crid=24GOZEN2GX7Y0&keywords=drawer+slide+hardware+side+mount&qid=1656543070&refinements=p_89%3AKnape+%26+Vogt&rnid=2528832011&s=hi&sprefix=drawer+slider+
    hardware%2Caps%2C135&sr=1-2

    Hey, whatever floats your boat. I hope they work out for you.

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  • From Larry Mehl@21:1/5 to Leon on Fri Jul 29 15:47:35 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:46:38 AM UTC-7, Leon wrote:
    On 7/29/2022 10:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

    Is it just about price?

    The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
    like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point.

    $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax

    I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
    make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
    haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.

    Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
    and compare them side by side.

    WoodWorkers Hardware is a source for slides that I have used for decades.

    https://www.wwhardware.com/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwio6XBhCMARIsAC0u9aG6A0InEmwXO4IQ1HLvRaGdiiejFa_H-Xcz6hdkEjgzOPkSI5IQpQ4aAl0yEALw_wcB

    Along with Cornerstone hardware, a local distributor.

    https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp
    Thanks. There is an Amazon dealer named Woodworkers Hardware.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to slmehl420@gmail.com on Fri Jul 29 18:52:06 2022
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slmehl420@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider >> > > >> >for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names] >> > > >Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
    The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?

    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
    You said you wanted soft close and 14. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.

    I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
    furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the
    drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
    last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.

    My typo ... The DUR45B comes in a 14".

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  • From Larry Mehl@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 29 15:52:09 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 3:47:08 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:27:39 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/29/2022 12:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:46:38 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/29/2022 10:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither. >>>>>
    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

    Is it just about price?

    The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
    like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point.

    $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax

    I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
    make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
    haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.

    Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
    and compare them side by side.

    WoodWorkers Hardware is a source for slides that I have used for decades.

    https://www.wwhardware.com/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwio6XBhCMARIsAC0u9aG6A0InEmwXO4IQ1HLvRaGdiiejFa_H-Xcz6hdkEjgzOPkSI5IQpQ4aAl0yEALw_wcB

    Along with Cornerstone hardware, a local distributor.

    https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp

    I have purchased slides from WWH in the past. The example I've been using for
    the OP are the KV 8450FM 14".

    $98 with free shipping for 4 pairs on Amazon, $132 with shipping from WWH.

    I can't seem to get to the Cornerstone site. Both your link and the same link
    found via a Google search for Cornerstone don't work. I tried 2 different
    devices, one on my WiFi, one not. Same error.

    This site can’t be reached
    www.cabinethardware.com’s server IP address could not be found.

    https://www.cabinethardware.com/

    Past that google cornerstone Hardware.
    I did, earlier. The link returned by the Google search (same link as yours) did not work,
    but it is working now. It definitely wasn't working when I tried it at 1:43PM EST.

    The same 2 devices (PC and smartphone) that presented the IP error earlier can both
    access the website now. I know I haven't changed anything. Haven't even closed my
    browsers.

    They must have had a short term outage.
    I sometimes have personal short term outages !

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Fri Jul 29 16:32:46 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:52:12 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote: >> > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
    Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
    The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?

    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.
    I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
    furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
    last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.

    +1

    I just can't see myself going through the work of building a bedside cabinet (or any cabinet) around a $6.44 slide.

    But hey, I've over-built more than few things in my day. ;-)

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to slmehl420@gmail.com on Fri Jul 29 23:06:11 2022
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:52:09 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slmehl420@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 3:47:08 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:27:39 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/29/2022 12:43 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:46:38 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/29/2022 10:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

    Is it just about price?

    The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
    like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point.

    $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax

    I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
    make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
    haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.

    Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
    and compare them side by side.

    WoodWorkers Hardware is a source for slides that I have used for decades.

    https://www.wwhardware.com/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwio6XBhCMARIsAC0u9aG6A0InEmwXO4IQ1HLvRaGdiiejFa_H-Xcz6hdkEjgzOPkSI5IQpQ4aAl0yEALw_wcB

    Along with Cornerstone hardware, a local distributor.

    https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp

    I have purchased slides from WWH in the past. The example I've been using for
    the OP are the KV 8450FM 14".

    $98 with free shipping for 4 pairs on Amazon, $132 with shipping from WWH.

    I can't seem to get to the Cornerstone site. Both your link and the same link
    found via a Google search for Cornerstone don't work. I tried 2 different
    devices, one on my WiFi, one not. Same error.

    This site cant be reached
    www.cabinethardware.coms server IP address could not be found.

    https://www.cabinethardware.com/

    Past that google cornerstone Hardware.
    I did, earlier. The link returned by the Google search (same link as yours) did not work,
    but it is working now. It definitely wasn't working when I tried it at 1:43PM EST.

    The same 2 devices (PC and smartphone) that presented the IP error earlier can both
    access the website now. I know I haven't changed anything. Haven't even closed my
    browsers.

    They must have had a short term outage.
    I sometimes have personal short term outages !

    Seems pretty personal for an open forum, eh?

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Fri Jul 29 23:49:14 2022
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slmehl420@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote: >>> > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider >>> > > >> >for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
    Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
    The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ?

    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
    You said you wanted soft close and 14. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.

    I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
    furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the >drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
    last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.



    Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
    - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
    in a bedside drawer ?
    I'd give some consideration to these two examples :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114

    I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
    but it's a good web site for comparison and info.
    John T.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.com on Fri Jul 29 22:37:39 2022
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:48:55 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain. >>> > > >> >Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
    Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
    The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ? >>> > >
    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada > >>> > >
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.

    I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
    furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the >drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
    last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.


    Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
    - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
    in a bedside drawer ?
    I'd give some consideration to these two examples :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114

    I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
    but it's a good web site for comparison and info.
    John T.

    They are both ~3/4 extension slides. I’m a full extension kind of guy. ;-)

    I also prefer ball bearings vs. captive roller.

    I know, I’m picky.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Sat Jul 30 09:49:53 2022
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 23:49:14 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slmehl420@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider >>>> > > >> >for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain.
    Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
    Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
    The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ? >>>> > >
    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada >

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
    You said you wanted soft close and 14. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.

    I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
    furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the >>drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
    last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.



    Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
    - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
    in a bedside drawer ?

    Given the total cost of the night stand, a few more bucks doesn't
    matter much. Just my opinion.

    I'd give some consideration to these two examples :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114

    I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
    but it's a good web site for comparison and info.

    There is nothing wrong with LV. I've ordered from them occasionally.
    BTW, if you have a problem with squoze toothpaste, LV has a really
    slick (simple and works extremely well) toothpaste tube squeezer. <https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-accessories/mobility-aids/110501-tube-squeezer?item=45K1000>

    My wife appreciated their stainless garden tools.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Larry Mehl on Sat Jul 30 12:20:39 2022
    On 7/29/2022 5:47 PM, Larry Mehl wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:46:38 AM UTC-7, Leon wrote:
    On 7/29/2022 10:32 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:08:07 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote: >>>>>> Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the
    Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.

    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    100 lb. 14 inch not-soft-close $ 15.20 / pair. US $.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/114054-100-lb-slides-31j32-series-full-extension?item=02K7014

    What is your price for the K&V ?
    John T.

    Is it just about price?

    The KV's, available from Amazon (and other sources) run ~$24, the Lee Valley's are ~$15. It sounds
    like the OP needs 4 pairs, so both would be above the free shipping point. >>>
    $98 for the KV's vs $60 for the LV's, before tax

    I know the KV's, I don't know the LV's. They call them "our slides" but I doubt they actually
    make them, so tracking down the actual manufacturer might be difficult (might not be, I
    haven't tried.) Maybe I missed it, but I don't see any reviews of the LV slides on their website.

    Since it looks like both offer free shipping and free returns (I think) I'd probably buy both
    and compare them side by side.

    WoodWorkers Hardware is a source for slides that I have used for decades.

    https://www.wwhardware.com/?_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwio6XBhCMARIsAC0u9aG6A0InEmwXO4IQ1HLvRaGdiiejFa_H-Xcz6hdkEjgzOPkSI5IQpQ4aAl0yEALw_wcB

    Along with Cornerstone hardware, a local distributor.

    https://www.cabinethardware.com/Default.asp
    Thanks. There is an Amazon dealer named Woodworkers Hardware.

    Yes, and IIRC their web site is wwhardware.com

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Sat Jul 30 12:46:26 2022
    On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 23:49:14 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain. >>>> > > >> >Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
    Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
    The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ? >>>> > >
    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada > >>>> > >
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.

    I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
    furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the >>drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
    last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.



    Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
    - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
    in a bedside drawer ?
    Given the total cost of the night stand, a few more bucks doesn't
    matter much. Just my opinion.
    I'd give some consideration to these two examples :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114

    I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
    but it's a good web site for comparison and info.
    There is nothing wrong with LV. I've ordered from them occasionally.
    BTW, if you have a problem with squoze toothpaste, LV has a really
    slick (simple and works extremely well) toothpaste tube squeezer. <https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-accessories/mobility-aids/110501-tube-squeezer?item=45K1000>


    Going *way* off topic here...

    My dentist recommends brushing with Listerine Antiseptic or an equivalent antiseptic
    mouthwash. Match the ingredients in Listerine Antiseptic as shown here. Easy to find.

    https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=78e2e172-09a4-4bf1-9871-d099c49087be&type=display

    2 years ago I was heading towards thousands of dollars of gum work. Bleeding, inflammation, etc.
    My dentist said "Before we go down that path, let's try this first: Floss with a Waterpik before brushing,
    then use an electric toothbrush dipped in Listerine Antiseptic or equivalent."

    Now my hygienist says things like "Healthiest gums I've seen all day. Keep it up."

    I'll never go back to toothpaste.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Sat Jul 30 19:31:37 2022
    On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 12:46:26 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 23:49:14 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider
    for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain. >> >>>> > > >> >Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
    Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me.
    I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
    The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ? >> >>>> > >
    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada > >> >>>> > >
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
    You said you wanted soft close and 14. The DUR45B 20 is neither.

    I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.

    I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
    furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the
    drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
    last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.



    Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
    - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
    in a bedside drawer ?
    Given the total cost of the night stand, a few more bucks doesn't
    matter much. Just my opinion.
    I'd give some consideration to these two examples :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114

    I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
    but it's a good web site for comparison and info.
    There is nothing wrong with LV. I've ordered from them occasionally.
    BTW, if you have a problem with squoze toothpaste, LV has a really
    slick (simple and works extremely well) toothpaste tube squeezer.
    <https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-accessories/mobility-aids/110501-tube-squeezer?item=45K1000>


    Going *way* off topic here...

    My dentist recommends brushing with Listerine Antiseptic or an equivalent antiseptic
    mouthwash. Match the ingredients in Listerine Antiseptic as shown here. Easy to find.

    https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=78e2e172-09a4-4bf1-9871-d099c49087be&type=display

    2 years ago I was heading towards thousands of dollars of gum work. Bleeding, inflammation, etc.
    My dentist said "Before we go down that path, let's try this first: Floss with a Waterpik before brushing,
    then use an electric toothbrush dipped in Listerine Antiseptic or equivalent."

    Now my hygienist says things like "Healthiest gums I've seen all day. Keep it up."

    I'll never go back to toothpaste.

    I use a waterpic, floss, toothbrush/paste, hydrogen peroxide, then an
    alcohol based mouthwash (Walmart).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 30 21:11:44 2022
    On 7/30/2022 2:46 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 23:49:14 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider >>>>>>>>>>> for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain. >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to
    read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
    Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me. >>>>>>>>> I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
    The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ? >>>>>>>>
    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada > >>>>>>>>
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
    You said you wanted soft close and 14”. The DUR45B 20 is neither. >>>>>
    I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.

    I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
    furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the
    drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
    last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.



    Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
    - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
    in a bedside drawer ?
    Given the total cost of the night stand, a few more bucks doesn't
    matter much. Just my opinion.
    I'd give some consideration to these two examples :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114

    I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
    but it's a good web site for comparison and info.
    There is nothing wrong with LV. I've ordered from them occasionally.
    BTW, if you have a problem with squoze toothpaste, LV has a really
    slick (simple and works extremely well) toothpaste tube squeezer.
    <https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-accessories/mobility-aids/110501-tube-squeezer?item=45K1000>


    Going *way* off topic here...

    My dentist recommends brushing with Listerine Antiseptic or an equivalent antiseptic
    mouthwash. Match the ingredients in Listerine Antiseptic as shown here. Easy to find.

    https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=78e2e172-09a4-4bf1-9871-d099c49087be&type=display

    2 years ago I was heading towards thousands of dollars of gum work. Bleeding, inflammation, etc.
    My dentist said "Before we go down that path, let's try this first: Floss with a Waterpik before brushing,
    then use an electric toothbrush dipped in Listerine Antiseptic or equivalent."

    Now my hygienist says things like "Healthiest gums I've seen all day. Keep it up."

    I'll never go back to toothpaste.
    +

    Actually tooth paste is just something to flavor the massage. I have
    used a Brawn electric tooth brush for decades, no issues at the dentist.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 31 15:25:06 2022
    On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 21:11:44 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/30/2022 2:46 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 9:50:00 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 23:49:14 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:52:06 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-7, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>>>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 11:40:23 PM UTC-4, slme...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 20:20:48 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-7, hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT), Larry Mehl
    <slme...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hello --
    Can anyone recommend a brand and model of soft-close drawer slider >>>>>>>>>>>> for relatively light duty in a bedside cabinet with two 8-inch high drawers?
    The drawers are probably heavier than what they will contain. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for any suggestions,
    Larry Mehl

    Check out all the possibilities at Lee Valley -
    they have pretty good product descriptions and be sure to >>>>>>>>>>> read the detailed info link .. " Care and Use " pdf
    for the dirty little details.
    Just an example here :
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235
    John T.

    John T --
    [In a message I now can't find, you listed some side-mount mfgrs names]
    Thanks for the side-mount manufacturers names. That helps me. >>>>>>>>>> I was first attracted to KV 8450FM Full Extension Soft Close. But ... probably overkill for drawers holding bedside stuff!
    My bedside cabinets are yet to be built (not a retrofit).
    Sliders will attach to the insides of the case (not a face frame situation).
    The drawer boxes will be 1" smaller than the distance between the inside walls of each side.

    You don't state the depth ie: slide length ;
    If you're looking for side mount, ball bearing, self close,
    - these come in 14 or 16 inch at Lee Valley
    but other lengths in similar slides might be available elsewhere ? >>>>>>>>>
    This link is USA site < previous under-mount example was Canada > >>>>>>>>>
    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/side-mount/112318-regular-extension-soft-closing-slides?item=02K4935

    It says that side clearance must be :
    1/2 inch + / - 1/32 / Zero

    These are more than double the cost of the Blum slides.

    John T.
    John --
    Thanks for the Lee Valley link.
    The slides will be 14" ... enough models to pick from.
    What do you and other readers think of the Knape and Vogt DUR45B 20 DuriSlide? It is quite cheap.
    You said you wanted soft close and 14. The DUR45B 20 is neither. >>>>>>
    I changed my mind ... I now don't think soft close is important for a bedside table/cabinet.

    I'd go for the little more money and do the soft-close for any
    furniture but in particular bedside tables. Sometimes I reach for the >>>>> drawers while in bed. It would be nice if the drawers closed that
    last inch without being pushed. Just my preference.



    Soft close doesn't need to cost very much more -
    - does a person really need 100 lb. ball bearing slides
    in a bedside drawer ?
    Given the total cost of the night stand, a few more bucks doesn't
    matter much. Just my opinion.
    I'd give some consideration to these two examples :

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/55143-standard-blum-slides?item=02K6235

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/shop/hardware/slides/undermount/46580-european-kitchen-slides?item=02K5114

    I'm not touting LV as the only retail source -
    but it's a good web site for comparison and info.
    There is nothing wrong with LV. I've ordered from them occasionally.
    BTW, if you have a problem with squoze toothpaste, LV has a really
    slick (simple and works extremely well) toothpaste tube squeezer.
    <https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/personal-accessories/mobility-aids/110501-tube-squeezer?item=45K1000>


    Going *way* off topic here...

    My dentist recommends brushing with Listerine Antiseptic or an equivalent antiseptic
    mouthwash. Match the ingredients in Listerine Antiseptic as shown here. Easy to find.

    https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=78e2e172-09a4-4bf1-9871-d099c49087be&type=display

    2 years ago I was heading towards thousands of dollars of gum work. Bleeding, inflammation, etc.
    My dentist said "Before we go down that path, let's try this first: Floss with a Waterpik before brushing,
    then use an electric toothbrush dipped in Listerine Antiseptic or equivalent."

    Now my hygienist says things like "Healthiest gums I've seen all day. Keep it up."

    I'll never go back to toothpaste.
    +

    Actually tooth paste is just something to flavor the massage. I have
    used a Brawn electric tooth brush for decades, no issues at the dentist.

    There are also abrasives, fluoride, and detergents (to foam and keep
    the fluoride clingy). Sweetness and flavors are added because the
    other stuff isn't particularly tasty.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)