• Dust ports

    From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 12 21:26:04 2022
    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Wed Jul 13 11:16:01 2022
    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 13 18:42:17 2022
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting

    This is what I want to use. <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Jul 14 12:25:47 2022
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting

    This is what I want to use. <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    I have seen those in many places on YouTube, shop made.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_sc5DRYT4o


    The flair fitting I am using I have used for about 20 years probably
    more. I have not wanted for anything else. It fits everything in the
    4" range because it is a flared fitting. No other pieces needed to fit
    the machines.

    Having said that it will occasionally fall off of my jointer/planer
    combo. I think spraying the inside of the flare with a rubberized
    coating might work or simply use a short bungee cord to hook on to the
    hose and the attachment piece on the planer manifold.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Jul 14 12:26:39 2022
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting

    This is what I want to use. <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>


    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Jul 14 12:33:23 2022
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4".  They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool.  One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell?  I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose.   It fits all of my 4" ish male >>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!



    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Jul 14 17:56:27 2022
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    Separation was the first thing that I thought of. I'm wondering if the knurled circumference is just for ease of sliding them side to side or if it's easy to twist them apart like opening a jar.

    I looked for a longer video, but couldn't find one where someone disconnects it.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Jul 14 18:21:30 2022
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill.
    I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I
    added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers
    were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's good enough.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 14 22:46:50 2022
    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:25:47 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting

    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    I have seen those in many places on YouTube, shop made.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_sc5DRYT4o


    The flair fitting I am using I have used for about 20 years probably
    more. I have not wanted for anything else. It fits everything in the
    4" range because it is a flared fitting. No other pieces needed to fit
    the machines.

    Having said that it will occasionally fall off of my jointer/planer
    combo. I think spraying the inside of the flare with a rubberized
    coating might work or simply use a short bungee cord to hook on to the
    hose and the attachment piece on the planer manifold.

    I have one of the flared connectors (from Rockler, I think). The
    thing jams on so tightly it's really hard to disconnect it. It's
    under my outfeed table so a double PITA.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 14 22:49:04 2022
    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:26:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting

    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>


    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!

    It would be but it's a better project for a 3-D printer. By the time
    I found decent material it's cheaper just to buy them. Though, I need
    several.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 14 22:50:28 2022
    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:33:23 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!



    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    It does (take side-to-side) motion, either sliding or rotating. You're
    not pulling them apart straight away.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 14 23:55:22 2022
    On 7/14/2022 7:56 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>>>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    Separation was the first thing that I thought of. I'm wondering if the knurled
    circumference is just for ease of sliding them side to side or if it's easy to
    twist them apart like opening a jar.

    I looked for a longer video, but couldn't find one where someone disconnects it.

    Yeah they always leave out the deal killer parts.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Jul 14 23:45:36 2022
    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 22:49:04 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:26:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting

    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>


    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!

    It would be but it's a better project for a 3-D printer. By the time
    I found decent material it's cheaper just to buy them. Though, I need >several.

    I have these style, they have worked well for me.

    https://woodworker.com/fazlok-4-quick-disconnect-male-mssu-121-595.asp

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 15 00:06:40 2022
    On 7/14/2022 11:45 PM, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 22:49:04 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:26:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>>>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting

    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>


    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!

    It would be but it's a better project for a 3-D printer. By the time
    I found decent material it's cheaper just to buy them. Though, I need
    several.

    I have these style, they have worked well for me.

    https://woodworker.com/fazlok-4-quick-disconnect-male-mssu-121-595.asp


    My single $6 flared fitting works for me. I would have to spend
    $105.00 immediately with those. But they do look like they would work
    well.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 15 00:02:12 2022
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>>>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill.
    I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers
    were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's good enough.


    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I
    think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Fri Jul 15 07:44:33 2022
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are >>>>>> rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is >>>>>> everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>>>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty. >> I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill.
    I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers
    were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I
    think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps not.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 15 11:01:29 2022
    On 7/15/2022 9:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>>>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>>>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are >>>>>>>> rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is >>>>>>>> everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>>>>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>>>>>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty. >>>> I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill.
    I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the >>> next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I >>> added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers
    were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I
    think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take off.


    I missed that part, I skimmed. Yes apparently the rare earth magnets
    to hang the hoses and refrig magnets for the ports. I thought
    refrigerator magnets were long and narrow rubber magnets. That was my confusion.
    Rare earth should have been used on both locations. Rare Earth magnets
    are simple to separate if you slide them apart vs trying to lift them
    apart. I think 4 rare earth on each mating side. Technically you only
    want them to hold the weight of the hose.



    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps not.

    I typically do not move my equipment with the flare female fitting
    attached to the tool. So attachment is not an issue except for the planer/jointer machine. The hose hangs down from that mainfold and it
    will occasionally slip off from its own weight.

    If I went to the magnet set up I would have to convert everything over
    just for the sake of the planer/jointer.

    Or maybe attach the magnet set up around the perimeter of the flared
    female end. Then it would work normally for the tools that don't have
    an issue and just put the magnet set up on the planer/jointer. Hummmm.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Fri Jul 15 16:13:59 2022
    DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >> >>>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >> >>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >> >>>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >> >>>>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty. >> >> I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill.
    I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I >> > added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers
    were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I
    think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe >that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take >off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses >around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps >not.



    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Fri Jul 15 09:54:49 2022
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >> >>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is >> >>>>>> everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >> >>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated. >> >> I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill.
    I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I
    added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers
    were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I
    think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses >around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps >not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Nothing specifically, but what's wrong with making either operation easier?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Fri Jul 15 10:01:49 2022
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:01:39 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/15/2022 9:44 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>>>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>>>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are >>>>>>>> rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is >>>>>>>> everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty. >>>> I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated. >>>> I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to >>>> side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill.
    I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I >>> added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers
    were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I
    think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.
    I missed that part, I skimmed. Yes apparently the rare earth magnets
    to hang the hoses and refrig magnets for the ports. I thought
    refrigerator magnets were long and narrow rubber magnets. That was my confusion.
    Rare earth should have been used on both locations. Rare Earth magnets
    are simple to separate if you slide them apart vs trying to lift them
    apart. I think 4 rare earth on each mating side. Technically you only
    want them to hold the weight of the hose.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps not.
    I typically do not move my equipment with the flare female fitting
    attached to the tool. So attachment is not an issue except for the planer/jointer machine. The hose hangs down from that mainfold and it
    will occasionally slip off from its own weight.

    If I went to the magnet set up I would have to convert everything over
    just for the sake of the planer/jointer.

    Or maybe attach the magnet set up around the perimeter of the flared
    female end. Then it would work normally for the tools that don't have
    an issue and just put the magnet set up on the planer/jointer. Hummmm.

    Unless the weight/size of the magnet set up around the perimeter of the
    flared female end introduces some yet-to-be-known issue with some other
    tool. Hummmm. ;-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Fri Jul 15 18:09:05 2022
    DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:


    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses >> >around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps >> >not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Nothing specifically, but what's wrong with making either operation easier?


    In the time you spent discussing it, you could have built a nice
    cutting board or small box.

    For the two tools that I don't have connected permanently
    because they need to be moved away from a wall for clearance
    (Jet 15" planer and Delta Shaper), the 4" hose has a good enough
    friction fit for the duration of the operation.

    But, as you'll likely point out, it is your time to spend.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Fri Jul 15 12:53:28 2022
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 2:09:09 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:


    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses
    around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps
    not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Nothing specifically, but what's wrong with making either operation easier?

    In the time you spent discussing it, you could have built a nice
    cutting board or small box.

    I answered your question. You haven't answered mine.


    For the two tools that I don't have connected permanently
    because they need to be moved away from a wall for clearance
    (Jet 15" planer and Delta Shaper), the 4" hose has a good enough
    friction fit for the duration of the operation.

    But, as you'll likely point out, it is your time to spend.

    I see. You never discuss anything just for the sake of having a conversation.

    Oh...wait...you just joined the discussion by telling us about your dust collection situation. It's interesting that you would do that.

    I don't need the magnetic dust ports. Leon doesn't either. That doesn't mean
    we can't spend some quiet time discussing the pro's and con's.

    I'm curious... How is it that you have the time to follow this thread and imply that we are wasting our time? Shouldn't you be making a nice cutting board
    or a small box?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 15 17:12:21 2022
    On 7/15/2022 11:54 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>>>>>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>>>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>>>>>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are >>>>>>>>>> rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is >>>>>>>>>> everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty. >>>>>> I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated. >>>>>> I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to >>>>>> side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill.
    I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I >>>>> added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers
    were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I
    think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together. >>>
    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses >>> around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps >>> not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Cuz you have to reach into your pocket to get it out.

    Those new fangled keys can get lost, the crank on the front of the
    engine is always there, I think. :!)

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Fri Jul 15 17:08:46 2022
    On 7/15/2022 11:13 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>>>>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>>>>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are >>>>>>>>> rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is >>>>>>>>> everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>>>>>>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty. >>>>> I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated. >>>>> I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to >>>>> side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill.
    I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I >>>> added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers
    were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I
    think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together. >>
    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses >> around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps >> not.



    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?



    Time consuming when moving the single hose from machine to machine. I
    never bought into dedicated piping going to individual locations. My
    machines move around a lot, literally every time I use one.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Fri Jul 15 22:16:09 2022
    DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 2:09:09 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:


    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses
    around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps
    not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Nothing specifically, but what's wrong with making either operation easier? >> >
    In the time you spent discussing it, you could have built a nice
    cutting board or small box.

    I answered your question. You haven't answered mine.

    Yes, you are correct. My question came off as snarky. My bad.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 15 23:11:48 2022
    On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:12:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 11:54 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>>>>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are >>>>>>>>>>> rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is >>>>>>>>>>> everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>>>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated. >>>>>>> I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to >>>>>>> side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill. >>>>>> I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I
    added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers >>>>>> were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I
    think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together. >>>>
    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses
    around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps
    not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Cuz you have to reach into your pocket to get it out.

    Those new fangled keys can get lost,

    The new-new-fangled keys can't be locked inside the car. They also
    unlock my tailgate when I'm anywhere near the truck, even if the doors
    are locked.

    the crank on the front of the
    engine is always there, I think. :!)

    No, they're detached when not used. They fall out of pockets, too,
    though they are harder to lose. Pull pants down also.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 15 23:18:01 2022
    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 23:45:36 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 22:49:04 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 12:26:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a >>>>>> lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male >>>>> manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting

    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>


    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!

    It would be but it's a better project for a 3-D printer. By the time
    I found decent material it's cheaper just to buy them. Though, I need >>several.

    I have these style, they have worked well for me.

    https://woodworker.com/fazlok-4-quick-disconnect-male-mssu-121-595.asp

    I bought a set of Izzy Swan's disconnects but even though they're
    built better, the magnetic ones work a whole lot better.

    <https://www.izzyswan.com/Store/QuickLox-4-Inch-Starter-Kit-p279858043>

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 15 23:14:42 2022
    On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:08:46 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 11:13 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them >>>>>>>>>> on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even >>>>>>>>>> standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same >>>>>>>>>> tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are >>>>>>>>>> rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is >>>>>>>>>> everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty. >>>>>> I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated. >>>>>> I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to >>>>>> side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill.
    I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I >>>>> added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers
    were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I
    think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together. >>>
    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses >>> around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps >>> not.



    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?



    Time consuming when moving the single hose from machine to machine. I
    never bought into dedicated piping going to individual locations. My >machines move around a lot, literally every time I use one.

    I intend to use one connection for the sander and planer, probably
    from a drop on the ceiling. As I said earlier, my saw gets moved
    pretty frequently. My ceiling hoist is at the back edge of it so if I
    need to lift anything, the saw has to move.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Fri Jul 15 20:44:11 2022
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 11:11:55 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:12:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 11:54 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are >>>>>>>>>>> rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self >>>>>>> alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to >>>>>>> side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill. >>>>>> I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I
    added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers >>>>>> were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I >>>>> think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses
    around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps
    not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Cuz you have to reach into your pocket to get it out.

    Those new fangled keys can get lost,
    The new-new-fangled keys can't be locked inside the car.

    That’s what it says in my manual, but it’s not true.

    My Odyssey doesn’t prevent me from locking the van if there
    is a fob inside the vehicle, it prevents me from locking the van
    if there isn’t one outside. That’s not the same thing.

    Try it. Leave one fob in the vehicle and try locking it with the other
    fob or with the door handle button. My proximity sensor sees *a*
    fob outside the vehicle and that’s all it cares about.

    They also
    unlock my tailgate when I'm anywhere near the truck, even if the doors
    are locked.

    I can open all of my windows by pressing unlock to unlock the van
    then soon afterwards pressing and holding unlock. I can open them
    a tiny bit or all the way depending on how long I hold it. If I don’t open
    a door within 30 seconds, the van locks itself. That sets the alarm and
    if somebody tries to unlock the van by reaching through the open window,
    the alarm will go off.

    Unfortunately, for safety reasons, I can’t close the windows with the fob. However, it does give me the opportunity to let all the heat out before
    I get in. You just have to hope it doesn’t rain.

    the crank on the front of the
    engine is always there, I think. :!)

    The crank in my van is behind the engine, usually in the
    driver’s seat.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Sat Jul 16 10:32:06 2022
    On 7/15/2022 10:11 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:12:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 11:54 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are >>>>>>>>>>>> rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is >>>>>>>>>>>> everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>>>>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4".


    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self
    alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated. >>>>>>>> I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to >>>>>>>> side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill. >>>>>>> I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I
    added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers >>>>>>> were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I
    think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses
    around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps
    not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Cuz you have to reach into your pocket to get it out.

    Those new fangled keys can get lost,

    The new-new-fangled keys can't be locked inside the car. They also
    unlock my tailgate when I'm anywhere near the truck, even if the doors
    are locked.

    No we were referring to an actual key that you insert into a lock.

    We first had the proximity key in 2012 and I was all for it. I finally
    got it on my 2019 F-150 and my wife has it in her new CX9 Mazda.

    I do have a few complaints though. The proximity key for the Mazda has buttons on the side for opening the hatch among other things. When I
    bend my leg to get in the car the hatch often opens. Not normally a big
    issue except if I am getting into the car before the garage door fully
    opens. We have a new routine for getting the car out of the garage.
    Sometimes the tail gate tries to open when I am in the house and
    squatting down to pick something up. So now the key fob stays on the
    pony wall until I need to drive the car.

    As for the tailgate function mine drops the tail gate. I have never
    needed that function, I can still lift my arm to push the open button on
    the tailgate. Easier to do that than to reach in my pocket to grab the
    fob and press the open button. My proximity key lets me open any locked
    door or tail gate as if they were unlocked to begin with. AND THAT gave
    me doubts as to whether the tailgate was actually locked. I had a
    similar issue with trying to see of the refrigerator light actually goes
    out when the doors close. ;~)




    the crank on the front of the
    engine is always there, I think. :!)

    No, they're detached when not used. They fall out of pockets, too,
    though they are harder to lose. Pull pants down also.

    How big are your pockets??? LOL.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 16 10:39:00 2022
    On 7/15/2022 10:44 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 11:11:55 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:12:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 11:54 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are >>>>>>>>>>>>> rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>>>>>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4". >>>>>>>>>>>>

    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self >>>>>>>>> alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated. >>>>>>>>> I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to >>>>>>>>> side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill. >>>>>>>> I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I
    added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers >>>>>>>> were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I >>>>>>> think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL: >>>>>>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses
    around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps
    not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Cuz you have to reach into your pocket to get it out.

    Those new fangled keys can get lost,
    The new-new-fangled keys can't be locked inside the car.

    That’s what it says in my manual, but it’s not true.

    My Odyssey doesn’t prevent me from locking the van if there
    is a fob inside the vehicle, it prevents me from locking the van
    if there isn’t one outside. That’s not the same thing.



    Try it. Leave one fob in the vehicle and try locking it with the other
    fob or with the door handle button. My proximity sensor sees *a*
    fob outside the vehicle and that’s all it cares about.

    Sounds like a "Honda" situation. Our Mazda automatically locks and
    folds the mirrors when the key fob moves away from the vehicle. If my
    wife remains in the vehicle, with her purse/key fob and after I get out
    and walk away, the doors will not lock until she gets out and walks away.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Sat Jul 16 14:25:36 2022
    On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 11:39:08 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/15/2022 10:44 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 11:11:55 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:12:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 11:54 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>> DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4". >>>>>>>>>>>>

    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self >>>>>>>>> alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill. >>>>>>>> I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I
    added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers >>>>>>>> were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I >>>>>>> think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the >>>>>>> magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL: >>>>>>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses
    around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps
    not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Cuz you have to reach into your pocket to get it out.

    Those new fangled keys can get lost,
    The new-new-fangled keys can't be locked inside the car.

    That’s what it says in my manual, but it’s not true.

    My Odyssey doesn’t prevent me from locking the van if there
    is a fob inside the vehicle, it prevents me from locking the van
    if there isn’t one outside. That’s not the same thing.



    Try it. Leave one fob in the vehicle and try locking it with the other
    fob or with the door handle button. My proximity sensor sees *a*
    fob outside the vehicle and that’s all it cares about.
    Sounds like a "Honda" situation. Our Mazda automatically locks and
    folds the mirrors when the key fob moves away from the vehicle. If my
    wife remains in the vehicle, with her purse/key fob and after I get out
    and walk away, the doors will not lock until she gets out and walks away.

    My Honda doesn't do anything "automatically". I have to either use the fob or the button on the door handle to lock it. (Mine is a 17, one generation of Odyssey
    older than the current (18-22). I don't know what the current generation does.)

    Do you have a door handle button? If so, try it with your wife/fob in the car. Also try
    pressing fob button while you are still within range and she/the fob is in the car - i.e.
    before you reach the point where the vehicle would lock itself. Just curious.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 16 21:20:39 2022
    On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:32:06 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 10:11 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:12:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 11:54 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are >>>>>>>>>>>>> rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I >>>>>>>>>>>>> want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4". >>>>>>>>>>>>

    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self >>>>>>>>> alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated. >>>>>>>>> I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to >>>>>>>>> side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill. >>>>>>>> I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I
    added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers >>>>>>>> were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I >>>>>>> think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the
    magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL: >>>>>>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses
    around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps
    not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Cuz you have to reach into your pocket to get it out.

    Those new fangled keys can get lost,

    The new-new-fangled keys can't be locked inside the car. They also
    unlock my tailgate when I'm anywhere near the truck, even if the doors
    are locked.

    No we were referring to an actual key that you insert into a lock.

    We first had the proximity key in 2012 and I was all for it. I finally
    got it on my 2019 F-150 and my wife has it in her new CX9 Mazda.

    Mine is a '21 F150. I'm sure it's similar to your '19, though the '21
    is the first year of a new series (with Sync-4 & 10" LCD).

    I do have a few complaints though. The proximity key for the Mazda has >buttons on the side for opening the hatch among other things. When I
    bend my leg to get in the car the hatch often opens. Not normally a big >issue except if I am getting into the car before the garage door fully
    opens. We have a new routine for getting the car out of the garage. >Sometimes the tail gate tries to open when I am in the house and
    squatting down to pick something up. So now the key fob stays on the
    pony wall until I need to drive the car.

    My F150's FOB has buttons too. Yours doesn't? I've never pushed one accidentally.

    As for the tailgate function mine drops the tail gate. I have never
    needed that function, I can still lift my arm to push the open button on
    the tailgate. Easier to do that than to reach in my pocket to grab the
    fob and press the open button. My proximity key lets me open any locked
    door or tail gate as if they were unlocked to begin with. AND THAT gave
    me doubts as to whether the tailgate was actually locked. I had a
    similar issue with trying to see of the refrigerator light actually goes
    out when the doors close. ;~)

    Same. That tailgate is *heavy*. Some have power closing. I have to
    grab the door handle to open a door. There is a touch "button" on the
    backside of the door handle. The tailgate does automatically unlock
    if the FOB is anywhere near. It only locks if the doors are locked.

    The other thing that saved my bacon the first day I had it (driving
    home from the dealership. I don't remember how I did it but I did lock
    it with the FOB inside (pushed the button down?). I didn't know the
    door code (still set to the factory code) but the salesman did sync my
    phone to the truck. The app has a lock/unlock function (and remote
    start...).



    the crank on the front of the
    engine is always there, I think. :!)

    No, they're detached when not used. They fall out of pockets, too,
    though they are harder to lose. Pull pants down also.

    How big are your pockets??? LOL.

    Mr. Green Jeans?

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Sun Jul 17 13:57:52 2022
    On 7/16/2022 8:20 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:32:06 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 10:11 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:12:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 11:54 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>>> DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4". >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self >>>>>>>>>> alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to >>>>>>>>>> side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill. >>>>>>>>> I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I
    added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers >>>>>>>>> were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I >>>>>>>> think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the >>>>>>>> magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL: >>>>>>>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses
    around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps
    not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Cuz you have to reach into your pocket to get it out.

    Those new fangled keys can get lost,

    The new-new-fangled keys can't be locked inside the car. They also
    unlock my tailgate when I'm anywhere near the truck, even if the doors
    are locked.

    No we were referring to an actual key that you insert into a lock.

    We first had the proximity key in 2012 and I was all for it. I finally
    got it on my 2019 F-150 and my wife has it in her new CX9 Mazda.

    Mine is a '21 F150. I'm sure it's similar to your '19, though the '21
    is the first year of a new series (with Sync-4 & 10" LCD).

    I like the 21 better! I looked hard at the "new" Rams, knowing better,
    but their screens and interiors are nice! But I have not heard much
    good about them being any better than what you could always expect out
    of them as far as quality and reliability.

    I reluctantly bought the F150 because I was tired of waiting on the new
    Tundra. Now, I'm not so interested in the new Tundra. Gas mileage is marginally better. There was talk about 30 MPG before it was released.
    So much for that. I do like its interior though.

    I really am attracted to the big screens although my 8" seems to be
    fine. The Mazda has a 10.2" but its aspect ration is more like 50/100.
    And that is quite nice too.

    Which trim level does your F150 have?




    I do have a few complaints though. The proximity key for the Mazda has
    buttons on the side for opening the hatch among other things. When I
    bend my leg to get in the car the hatch often opens. Not normally a big
    issue except if I am getting into the car before the garage door fully
    opens. We have a new routine for getting the car out of the garage.
    Sometimes the tail gate tries to open when I am in the house and
    squatting down to pick something up. So now the key fob stays on the
    pony wall until I need to drive the car.

    My F150's FOB has buttons too. Yours doesn't? I've never pushed one accidentally.

    Yes my F150 fob has several buttons but none get bushed accidentally
    because they are of the front side. The Mazda has 4 buttons on the
    edge and they get pushed easily by my knife, pill vile, or yoyo. ;~)

    The ford has an alarm button, tailgate, engine start, lock and unlock,
    and probably some combination of buttons places an order at a local
    restaurant. I don't use any of them. ;~)



    As for the tailgate function mine drops the tail gate. I have never
    needed that function, I can still lift my arm to push the open button on
    the tailgate. Easier to do that than to reach in my pocket to grab the
    fob and press the open button. My proximity key lets me open any locked
    door or tail gate as if they were unlocked to begin with. AND THAT gave
    me doubts as to whether the tailgate was actually locked. I had a
    similar issue with trying to see of the refrigerator light actually goes
    out when the doors close. ;~)

    Same. That tailgate is *heavy*. Some have power closing. I have to
    grab the door handle to open a door. There is a touch "button" on the backside of the door handle. The tailgate does automatically unlock
    if the FOB is anywhere near. It only locks if the doors are locked.

    Same on mine. Yes the tail gate is heavy, probably because of the built
    in steel "man step".


    The other thing that saved my bacon the first day I had it (driving
    home from the dealership. I don't remember how I did it but I did lock
    it with the FOB inside (pushed the button down?). I didn't know the
    door code (still set to the factory code) but the salesman did sync my
    phone to the truck. The app has a lock/unlock function (and remote start...).


    Yes I have the app too. Handy for checking oil life. Oil life is
    embedded somewhere in the instrument panel display, I think it is
    labeled as oil reset so it is kinda misleading when I am looking for it.




    the crank on the front of the
    engine is always there, I think. :!)

    No, they're detached when not used. They fall out of pockets, too,
    though they are harder to lose. Pull pants down also.

    How big are your pockets??? LOL.

    Mr. Green Jeans?

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 17 14:17:28 2022
    On 7/16/2022 4:25 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 11:39:08 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/15/2022 10:44 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 11:11:55 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:12:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 11:54 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>>>> DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self >>>>>>>>>>> alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill. >>>>>>>>>> I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I
    added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers >>>>>>>>>> were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I >>>>>>>>> think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the >>>>>>>>> magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL: >>>>>>>>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses
    around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps
    not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Cuz you have to reach into your pocket to get it out.

    Those new fangled keys can get lost,
    The new-new-fangled keys can't be locked inside the car.

    That’s what it says in my manual, but it’s not true.

    My Odyssey doesn’t prevent me from locking the van if there
    is a fob inside the vehicle, it prevents me from locking the van
    if there isn’t one outside. That’s not the same thing.



    Try it. Leave one fob in the vehicle and try locking it with the other
    fob or with the door handle button. My proximity sensor sees *a*
    fob outside the vehicle and that’s all it cares about.
    Sounds like a "Honda" situation. Our Mazda automatically locks and
    folds the mirrors when the key fob moves away from the vehicle. If my
    wife remains in the vehicle, with her purse/key fob and after I get out
    and walk away, the doors will not lock until she gets out and walks away.

    My Honda doesn't do anything "automatically". I have to either use the fob or the button on the door handle to lock it. (Mine is a 17, one generation of Odyssey
    older than the current (18-22). I don't know what the current generation does.)

    My F150 only needs the fob to be close. Just pull the handle to
    unlock, similar to our old Camry. BUT to lock I have to push the black
    button on the handle and that was similar on the Camry. I have come to
    really like the Mazda setup, there is no forgetting to lock the doors,
    and the auto folding mirrors are an indicator that the doors are locked.



    Do you have a door handle button? If so, try it with your wife/fob in the car. Also try
    pressing fob button while you are still within range and she/the fob is in the car - i.e.
    before you reach the point where the vehicle would lock itself. Just curious.

    I/the F150 does have a lock button.

    Ok, so the truck will lock with her fob in the vehicle. I am betting
    it focuses on the fob that actually initiates the door unlock/engine
    start stop. If that fob is left in the vehicle it will not lock.
    Each fob is unique and depending on which one is used to open the
    drivers door and start the engine, the pedals, seat settings, and
    steering wheel will adjust accordingly when the start button is pressed.


    Now I am wondering if my wife unlocks the doors before me if the doors
    will lock if I get out and try to lock the doors. Project for another day.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 17 21:49:31 2022
    On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 13:57:52 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/16/2022 8:20 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:32:06 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 10:11 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 17:12:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 7/15/2022 11:54 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>>>> DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
    On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 1:02:20 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 7/14/2022 8:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:33:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/14/2022 12:26 PM, Leon wrote:
    On 7/13/2022 5:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 11:16:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 7/12/2022 8:26 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    Why is there no standard for standard 4" dust ports? I measured them
    on all my tools and they ranged from 3-3/4" to 4". They aren't even
    standard within the same manufacturer and, unbelievably, on the same
    tool. One port on my bandsaw is 3-3/4" and the other 3-7/8". Are
    rubber boots needed on all tools to make things go together or is
    everything supposed to be connected by hoses clamped like hell? I
    want to put quick disconnects on the tools but I'm going to be using a
    lot of electrical tape shimming everything out to 4". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I use a flared female end on my DC hose. It fits all of my 4" ish male
    manifolds.

    https://www.woodcraft.com/products/4-quick-disconnect-hose-to-4-o-d-dust-collection-fitting


    This is what I want to use.
    <https://www.etsy.com/listing/1112660850/magnetic-dust-collector-4-port-clamp-on?click_key=3da4f5d9c591c66c2b371be61130a0ec3b7b1af1%3A1112660850&click_sum=4140c59f&ref=shop_home_recs_1&crt=1&sts=1>



    That would be a great project for you Shaper Origin!
    I would think that 2~3 rare earth magnets on each piece would be plenty.
    I guess the advantage to a boat load of magnets would be self >>>>>>>>>>> alignment. I would like to see a video of the pieces being separated.
    I suspect with 24 rare earth magnets attracting each other a side to
    side motion may be necessary to separate the pieces.

    This guy makes his own. No Origin needed. ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco

    I'm not sure why he stacks the magnets 4 deep. Seems like overkill. >>>>>>>>>> I tested 2 different sizes of RE magnets that I have and while 2 pulled the
    next one in harder than just 1, there was no noticeable difference when I
    added a third or fourth.

    My highly accurate measuring technique was how far apart my fingers >>>>>>>>>> were when I felt the initial attraction. In this application, I think that's
    good enough.
    FWIW once the DC is turned on the connection should be tighter. I >>>>>>>>> think 1 magnet in each hole would be plenty. Oh and be sure the >>>>>>>>> magnets are orientated correctly or the halves will never stick together.

    :-)

    Listen as the video starts at the time stamp including in the URL: >>>>>>>>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqSsqOu_Jco&t=106s

    I also noticed that he uses standard refrigerator magnets for the ports. Maybe
    that's why he stacks them 4 deep and maybe that's why his are so easy to take
    off.

    That is something to consider. Unless you're moving your tools or the hoses
    around while attached, do you really need RE magnets for the ports? Perhaps
    not.


    What's wrong with simple hose clamps?

    What was wrong with starting our vehicles by turning a key?

    Cuz you have to reach into your pocket to get it out.

    Those new fangled keys can get lost,

    The new-new-fangled keys can't be locked inside the car. They also
    unlock my tailgate when I'm anywhere near the truck, even if the doors >>>> are locked.

    No we were referring to an actual key that you insert into a lock.

    We first had the proximity key in 2012 and I was all for it. I finally >>> got it on my 2019 F-150 and my wife has it in her new CX9 Mazda.

    Mine is a '21 F150. I'm sure it's similar to your '19, though the '21
    is the first year of a new series (with Sync-4 & 10" LCD).

    I like the 21 better! I looked hard at the "new" Rams, knowing better,
    but their screens and interiors are nice! But I have not heard much
    good about them being any better than what you could always expect out
    of them as far as quality and reliability.

    I reluctantly bought the F150 because I was tired of waiting on the new >Tundra. Now, I'm not so interested in the new Tundra. Gas mileage is >marginally better. There was talk about 30 MPG before it was released.
    So much for that. I do like its interior though.

    I really am attracted to the big screens although my 8" seems to be
    fine. The Mazda has a 10.2" but its aspect ration is more like 50/100.
    And that is quite nice too.

    The 10" screen is really more like an 8" and 2" screen. Nav or
    Android Auto (Google Maps) can take either side of the screen but it
    can't have the whole thing.

    Which trim level does your F150 have?

    Just the XLT, with pretty much every option, except 4WD. I have no
    need for it down here. It's just more cost and weight, lower gas
    mileage.


    I do have a few complaints though. The proximity key for the Mazda has >>> buttons on the side for opening the hatch among other things. When I
    bend my leg to get in the car the hatch often opens. Not normally a big >>> issue except if I am getting into the car before the garage door fully
    opens. We have a new routine for getting the car out of the garage.
    Sometimes the tail gate tries to open when I am in the house and
    squatting down to pick something up. So now the key fob stays on the
    pony wall until I need to drive the car.

    My F150's FOB has buttons too. Yours doesn't? I've never pushed one
    accidentally.

    Yes my F150 fob has several buttons but none get bushed accidentally
    because they are of the front side. The Mazda has 4 buttons on the
    edge and they get pushed easily by my knife, pill vile, or yoyo. ;~)

    The ford has an alarm button, tailgate, engine start, lock and unlock,
    and probably some combination of buttons places an order at a local >restaurant. I don't use any of them. ;~)

    You don't do take-out?



    As for the tailgate function mine drops the tail gate. I have never
    needed that function, I can still lift my arm to push the open button on >>> the tailgate. Easier to do that than to reach in my pocket to grab the
    fob and press the open button. My proximity key lets me open any locked >>> door or tail gate as if they were unlocked to begin with. AND THAT gave >>> me doubts as to whether the tailgate was actually locked. I had a
    similar issue with trying to see of the refrigerator light actually goes >>> out when the doors close. ;~)

    Same. That tailgate is *heavy*. Some have power closing. I have to
    grab the door handle to open a door. There is a touch "button" on the
    backside of the door handle. The tailgate does automatically unlock
    if the FOB is anywhere near. It only locks if the doors are locked.

    Same on mine. Yes the tail gate is heavy, probably because of the built
    in steel "man step".

    I don't have a step. I didn't like the one they had. I intend to get
    a corner step.


    The other thing that saved my bacon the first day I had it (driving
    home from the dealership. I don't remember how I did it but I did lock
    it with the FOB inside (pushed the button down?). I didn't know the
    door code (still set to the factory code) but the salesman did sync my
    phone to the truck. The app has a lock/unlock function (and remote
    start...).


    Yes I have the app too. Handy for checking oil life. Oil life is
    embedded somewhere in the instrument panel display, I think it is
    labeled as oil reset so it is kinda misleading when I am looking for it.

    I've seen it too but can't remember where. There are all sorts of
    things down in the settings menus but it takes too much time to dig
    down.

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