• OT: Battery Operated Yard Tools - Recommendations?

    From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 05:36:43 2021
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!

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  • From Brian Welch@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 05:38:13 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 8:36:46 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    Pleased with the Ryobi 40V version of the string trimmer, leaf blower and chainsaw...

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 08:54:41 2021
    On 9/28/2021 7:36 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!



    I have been gas all the way for the last 35 years.
    Before that, corded, and that was a PIA.

    I have had good luck with Echo and Honda products.

    Stihl might be on my radar if the Echo gas line trimmer/edger engine
    quits and if the blower engine quits.

    My issue with electric is that it would likely have to be recharged
    every time I use it. And I keep all of that in a store room with out electricity. AND I start with the trimmer and edger in the back yard so
    I would have to go to the garage and get the batteries first.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 08:58:43 2021
    On 9/28/2021 7:36 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!



    Looking Good! And I spotted the glue bottle. ;~)

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Brian Welch on Tue Sep 28 06:37:25 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 8:38:15 AM UTC-4, Brian Welch wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 8:36:46 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    Pleased with the Ryobi 40V version of the string trimmer, leaf blower and chainsaw...

    Thanks.

    Lots of people seem to like the Ryobi yard care set. My experience a the (really old)
    Ryobi 18V Plus One woodworking set was less than pleasing.

    I inherited a kit from dad, didn't need it (had DeWalt then and now Rigid) but tried it
    anyway. I donated it real quickly. That makes me leery of the Ryobi yard tools, but I
    may be acting irrationally. Totally different technology and much newer.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Tue Sep 28 10:42:38 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a >battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!


    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already
    had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop.
    My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way
    to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built
    with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Tue Sep 28 07:31:59 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:54:51 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/28/2021 7:36 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!

    I have been gas all the way for the last 35 years.
    Before that, corded, and that was a PIA.

    Corded is a PITA. Gas would be a bigger PITA for the person
    I'm buying for.


    I have had good luck with Echo and Honda products.

    Love my Honda-powered lawn mower and the 3 Honda vehicles
    in the family. (Had 5 at one point)


    Stihl might be on my radar if the Echo gas line trimmer/edger engine
    quits and if the blower engine quits.

    My issue with electric is that it would likely have to be recharged
    every time I use it. And I keep all of that in a store room with out electricity. AND I start with the trimmer and edger in the back yard so
    I would have to go to the garage and get the batteries first.

    I have this weird habit of adding electricity wherever I need it. External receptacles on all 4 sides of the house, 3 walls in the garage, on the raised deck and under the raised deck, in the shed and outside the shed, back in
    the corner of the backyard.

    I already added a receptacle in the shed where the lawn tools I'm considering will be stored (daughter's house) so charging the battery won't be an issue.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Tue Sep 28 10:32:34 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a >battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!

    We have gone with EGO really happy with them, we have string trimmer,
    hedge trimmer, 18 inch chain saw and two leaf blowers, the last being
    a backpack blower my wife really wanted.

    With all the newer lithium powered tools recommending a brand I can
    not say anything about others, I like EGO but started with that brand
    when they were the most available battery powered tools.

    Do like them as no more mixing gas and oil for two cycle, and way
    better than dragging and extension cord.

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  • From G Ross@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 11:39:39 2021
    DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!

    I have the Ryobi Blower, pole saw and string trimmer (all 40v). Don't
    use the string trimmer that much, but the blower is comparable to a
    gas blower without the cantankerous little gas engine. The pole saw
    is super and I have cut 7 inch oak limbs with it with no problem.
    Would buy them all again.

    --
    G Ross

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 10:35:54 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:54:41 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 9/28/2021 7:36 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!



    I have been gas all the way for the last 35 years.
    Before that, corded, and that was a PIA.

    I have had good luck with Echo and Honda products.

    Stihl might be on my radar if the Echo gas line trimmer/edger engine
    quits and if the blower engine quits.

    My issue with electric is that it would likely have to be recharged
    every time I use it. And I keep all of that in a store room with out >electricity. AND I start with the trimmer and edger in the back yard so
    I would have to go to the garage and get the batteries first.

    The batteries on my Ego tools sit in the charge, the 5 amp hour
    battery runs the back pack blower for an hour easily. The batteries
    maintain charge when not in use.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.ca on Tue Sep 28 09:33:51 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 10:41:32 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf >blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a >battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already
    had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop.
    My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way
    to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built
    with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

    Could you share your "disable" method? The trimming my daughter will
    be doing will also involve a lot of start and stops.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.ca on Tue Sep 28 09:35:02 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 10:41:32 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf >blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a >battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already
    had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop.
    My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way
    to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built
    with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

    I guess I should have asked: "What model has that annoying feature?"

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Tue Sep 28 13:25:26 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 10:41:32 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already
    had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop.
    My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way
    to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built
    with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

    I guess I should have asked: "What model has that annoying feature?"


    Looks just like this one but slightly different model number :

    https://www.homedepot.ca/product/ryobi-18v-one-hp-brushless-cordless-string-trimmer-tool-only-/1001540182

    I'm looking to improve on my first attempt to bypass / disable the auto-line-feed - there are a couple youtube videos about it.
    What I did for quick & easy was simply cut a piece of trimmer line
    to a length that allows me to tie a knot in one end - so I'm
    running with an empty spool and just the single piece of line held in
    by the knot. I carry a spare piece when I'm trimming.
    The trouble with this method is that I "waste" about half the length
    when it wears down & is ready to be replaced. More efficient would be
    a way to manually feed line off the spool when it wears down ..
    ... still working on that idea.
    John T.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 13:25:33 2021
    On 9/28/2021 10:35 AM, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:54:41 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 9/28/2021 7:36 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!



    I have been gas all the way for the last 35 years.
    Before that, corded, and that was a PIA.

    I have had good luck with Echo and Honda products.

    Stihl might be on my radar if the Echo gas line trimmer/edger engine
    quits and if the blower engine quits.

    My issue with electric is that it would likely have to be recharged
    every time I use it. And I keep all of that in a store room with out
    electricity. AND I start with the trimmer and edger in the back yard so
    I would have to go to the garage and get the batteries first.

    The batteries on my Ego tools sit in the charge, the 5 amp hour
    battery runs the back pack blower for an hour easily. The batteries
    maintain charge when not in use.


    IF I kept my yard tools in the garage I would not think twice, maybe. I
    would be more concerned with one battery fitting all so that I only deal
    with one set up. My blower is not so much as an issue as the line
    trimmer and edger. Those would have to run at least 20 minutes.

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  • From Brian Welch@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.ca on Tue Sep 28 11:21:34 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 1:24:22 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 10:41:32 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a >> >battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already
    had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop.
    My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way
    to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built
    with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

    I guess I should have asked: "What model has that annoying feature?"
    Looks just like this one but slightly different model number :

    https://www.homedepot.ca/product/ryobi-18v-one-hp-brushless-cordless-string-trimmer-tool-only-/1001540182

    I'm looking to improve on my first attempt to bypass / disable the auto-line-feed - there are a couple youtube videos about it.
    What I did for quick & easy was simply cut a piece of trimmer line
    to a length that allows me to tie a knot in one end - so I'm
    running with an empty spool and just the single piece of line held in
    by the knot. I carry a spare piece when I'm trimming.
    The trouble with this method is that I "waste" about half the length
    when it wears down & is ready to be replaced. More efficient would be
    a way to manually feed line off the spool when it wears down ..
    ... still working on that idea.
    John T.
    Our 40V Ryobi string trimmer features a bump feed...like most other string trimmers, the dual lines tend to "pinch" one another on the spool requiring occasional tweaking...

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 13:29:53 2021
    On 9/28/2021 11:33 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 10:41:32 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already
    had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop.
    My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way
    to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built
    with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

    Could you share your "disable" method? The trimming my daughter will
    be doing will also involve a lot of start and stops.




    I'm thinking tape around the trigger switch and removing the battery to
    turn it off.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Tue Sep 28 15:10:12 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 07:31:59 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 9:54:51 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/28/2021 7:36 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!

    I have been gas all the way for the last 35 years.
    Before that, corded, and that was a PIA.

    Corded is a PITA. Gas would be a bigger PITA for the person
    I'm buying for.


    I have had good luck with Echo and Honda products.

    Love my Honda-powered lawn mower and the 3 Honda vehicles
    in the family. (Had 5 at one point)


    Stihl might be on my radar if the Echo gas line trimmer/edger engine
    quits and if the blower engine quits.

    My issue with electric is that it would likely have to be recharged
    every time I use it. And I keep all of that in a store room with out
    electricity. AND I start with the trimmer and edger in the back yard so
    I would have to go to the garage and get the batteries first.

    I have this weird habit of adding electricity wherever I need it. External >receptacles on all 4 sides of the house, 3 walls in the garage, on the raised >deck and under the raised deck, in the shed and outside the shed, back in
    the corner of the backyard.

    I already added a receptacle in the shed where the lawn tools I'm considering >will be stored (daughter's house) so charging the battery won't be an issue.

    Watch the temperature. Batteries (all chemistries) hate heat.
    Anything above about 80F will kill them in short order. It's a bitch
    with yard tools because you need them when it's hot. Storing them in
    a cool place is easy in the Winter.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Tue Sep 28 12:11:45 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 2:30:01 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/28/2021 11:33 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 10:41:32 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a >>> battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already
    had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop.
    My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way
    to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built
    with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

    Could you share your "disable" method? The trimming my daughter will
    be doing will also involve a lot of start and stops.

    I'm thinking tape around the trigger switch and removing the battery to
    turn it off.

    I'm thinking it's not so sophisticated that the use of the on-off switch is directly
    involved with the feeding of the line on start-up. I'm guessing it's all mechanical,
    at the head - something that would fire as soon as the motor begins to spin.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Tue Sep 28 15:56:25 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 2:30:01 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/28/2021 11:33 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 10:41:32 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a >> >>> battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already
    had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop.
    My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way
    to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built
    with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

    Could you share your "disable" method? The trimming my daughter will
    be doing will also involve a lot of start and stops.

    I'm thinking tape around the trigger switch and removing the battery to
    turn it off.

    I'm thinking it's not so sophisticated that the use of the on-off switch is directly
    involved with the feeding of the line on start-up. I'm guessing it's all mechanical,
    at the head - something that would fire as soon as the motor begins to spin.



    Here's a different model - I think I'll try this on mine ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7I2uX8ziZ4

    John T.

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  • From Brian Welch@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.ca on Tue Sep 28 13:23:18 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:55:19 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 2:30:01 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/28/2021 11:33 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 10:41:32 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf >> >>> blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with >> >>> an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already
    had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop.
    My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way
    to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built
    with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

    Could you share your "disable" method? The trimming my daughter will
    be doing will also involve a lot of start and stops.

    I'm thinking tape around the trigger switch and removing the battery to
    turn it off.

    I'm thinking it's not so sophisticated that the use of the on-off switch is directly
    involved with the feeding of the line on start-up. I'm guessing it's all mechanical,
    at the head - something that would fire as soon as the motor begins to spin.


    Here's a different model - I think I'll try this on mine ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7I2uX8ziZ4

    John T.
    That is the 18volt model...I upgraded to the 40V as the 18V is just not effective enough from my needs...

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to bnwelch@gmail.com on Tue Sep 28 17:03:04 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 13:23:18 -0700 (PDT), Brian Welch
    <bnwelch@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:55:19 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 2:30:01 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/28/2021 11:33 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 10:41:32 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf >> >> >>> blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with >> >> >>> an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already
    had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop. >> >> >> My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way
    to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built
    with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

    Could you share your "disable" method? The trimming my daughter will
    be doing will also involve a lot of start and stops.

    I'm thinking tape around the trigger switch and removing the battery to >> >> turn it off.

    I'm thinking it's not so sophisticated that the use of the on-off switch is directly
    involved with the feeding of the line on start-up. I'm guessing it's all mechanical,
    at the head - something that would fire as soon as the motor begins to spin.


    Here's a different model - I think I'll try this on mine ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7I2uX8ziZ4

    John T.
    That is the 18volt model...I upgraded to the 40V as the 18V is just not effective enough from my needs...


    My 18 volt Ryobi trimmer has power-to-spare for my 1/2 acre.
    I usually operate it on low for everyday trimming and only
    go to high when occasionally into tall weeds behind the shed.

    Here's another auto-feed disable video :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkbVcdyyWfA

    John T.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to hub...@ccanoemail.ca on Tue Sep 28 14:25:38 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:01:58 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 13:23:18 -0700 (PDT), Brian Welch
    <bnw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:55:19 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 2:30:01 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/28/2021 11:33 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 10:41:32 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas >> >> >>> mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand >> >> >>> that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already
    had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop. >> >> >> My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way
    to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built
    with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

    Could you share your "disable" method? The trimming my daughter will >> >> > be doing will also involve a lot of start and stops.

    I'm thinking tape around the trigger switch and removing the battery to >> >> turn it off.

    I'm thinking it's not so sophisticated that the use of the on-off switch is directly
    involved with the feeding of the line on start-up. I'm guessing it's all mechanical,
    at the head - something that would fire as soon as the motor begins to spin.


    Here's a different model - I think I'll try this on mine ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7I2uX8ziZ4

    John T.
    That is the 18volt model...I upgraded to the 40V as the 18V is just not effective enough from my needs...
    My 18 volt Ryobi trimmer has power-to-spare for my 1/2 acre.
    I usually operate it on low for everyday trimming and only
    go to high when occasionally into tall weeds behind the shed.

    Here's another auto-feed disable video :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkbVcdyyWfA

    John T.

    Thanks for the links.

    However, if I go with a Ryobi kit, it'll be the 40V model which I believe uses the
    bump-feed method, similar to my 24V B&D.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Tue Sep 28 16:56:16 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 14:25:38 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:01:58 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 13:23:18 -0700 (PDT), Brian Welch
    <bnw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:55:19 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 2:30:01 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/28/2021 11:33 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 10:41:32 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas >> >> >> >>> mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand >> >> >> >>> that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already >> >> >> >> had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop.
    My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way >> >> >> >> to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built
    with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

    Could you share your "disable" method? The trimming my daughter will >> >> >> > be doing will also involve a lot of start and stops.

    I'm thinking tape around the trigger switch and removing the battery to
    turn it off.

    I'm thinking it's not so sophisticated that the use of the on-off switch is directly
    involved with the feeding of the line on start-up. I'm guessing it's all mechanical,
    at the head - something that would fire as soon as the motor begins to spin.


    Here's a different model - I think I'll try this on mine ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7I2uX8ziZ4

    John T.
    That is the 18volt model...I upgraded to the 40V as the 18V is just not effective enough from my needs...
    My 18 volt Ryobi trimmer has power-to-spare for my 1/2 acre.
    I usually operate it on low for everyday trimming and only
    go to high when occasionally into tall weeds behind the shed.

    Here's another auto-feed disable video :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkbVcdyyWfA

    John T.

    Thanks for the links.

    However, if I go with a Ryobi kit, it'll be the 40V model which I believe uses the
    bump-feed method, similar to my 24V B&D.

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Tue Sep 28 18:04:44 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not
    match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two run time
    but it takes four battery packs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 15:17:20 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 14:25:38 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:01:58 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 13:23:18 -0700 (PDT), Brian Welch
    <bnw...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 3:55:19 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 2:30:01 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/28/2021 11:33 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 10:41:32 AM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:36:43 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    I recently bought a Ryobi string trimmer - just because I already >> >> >> >> had 2 batteries.
    One complaint - I knew about it when I bought it - is the
    auto-line-feed - which feeds out some line each time you start/stop.
    My trimming habits include many stops & starts so I devised a way >> >> >> >> to by-pass that feature. It would be nice if the tool was built >> >> >> >> with an option to disable it.
    Also - it has an annoying delay when starting - takes some
    getting used to.
    John T.

    Could you share your "disable" method? The trimming my daughter will
    be doing will also involve a lot of start and stops.

    I'm thinking tape around the trigger switch and removing the battery to
    turn it off.

    I'm thinking it's not so sophisticated that the use of the on-off switch is directly
    involved with the feeding of the line on start-up. I'm guessing it's all mechanical,
    at the head - something that would fire as soon as the motor begins to spin.


    Here's a different model - I think I'll try this on mine ..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7I2uX8ziZ4

    John T.
    That is the 18volt model...I upgraded to the 40V as the 18V is just not effective enough from my needs...
    My 18 volt Ryobi trimmer has power-to-spare for my 1/2 acre.
    I usually operate it on low for everyday trimming and only
    go to high when occasionally into tall weeds behind the shed.

    Here's another auto-feed disable video :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkbVcdyyWfA

    John T.

    Thanks for the links.

    However, if I go with a Ryobi kit, it'll be the 40V model which I believe uses the
    bump-feed method, similar to my 24V B&D.
    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 18:17:54 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not
    match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time >but it takes four battery packs.

    Okay fixed it

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 20:17:10 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off >>> the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not
    match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time >but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it

    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Tue Sep 28 23:31:27 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off >> >>> the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not
    match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time >> >but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it

    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.

    I do not do Home Depot except for home delivery, it is a 40 minute
    drive and Lowes is on the way and only 10 minutes 15 if you catch the
    train. The HD is all self check out unless you go to the commercial
    desk. Lowes you have choice of self or cashier.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Brian Welch@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 29 05:29:23 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull >>> through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it >>> up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off >>> the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time >but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I think you will both be pleased with your purchase. I suggest you pick up a spare battery or 2...
    Best...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 29 06:21:40 2021
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:31:35 AM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull >> >>> through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it >> >>> up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off >> >>> the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not
    match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it

    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I do not do Home Depot except for home delivery, it is a 40 minute
    drive and Lowes is on the way and only 10 minutes 15 if you catch the
    train. The HD is all self check out unless you go to the commercial
    desk. Lowes you have choice of self or cashier.

    My Home Depot is closer, but I tend to like Lowes better.

    Depending on how crowded it is, HD sometimes has cashiers in the main
    check out area. There is always at least one open at the far end by the lumber department, sometimes 2. That's the same for both of the HD's near me.

    Lowes didn't have the Ryobi sets in stock. I wasn't impressed with the prices or specs on the Kobalt units, but I do like the color better. ;-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Brian Welch on Wed Sep 29 14:13:19 2021
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 8:29:25 AM UTC-4, Brian Welch wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 ><teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull >>> through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it >>> up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I think you will both be pleased with your purchase.

    Ah, that would be nice, but alas, that's not the case.

    I just compared the 40V Ryobi blower to my corded blower. My corded blower is actually the detachable motor from my Ridgid wet-dry vac. I have always been pleased with the Ridgid's blower performance, but being corded, it is a PITA.

    https://i.imgur.com/YqonAu7.jpg

    The Home Depot page for the Ryobi kit says:

    "Jet-Fan Blower with 525 CFM and 110 MPH for gas-like power"

    Maybe "gas-like" means "fart-like" because that's about how much blower performance I get from the Ryobi. In a head-to-head battle, the Ridgid kicked the Ryobi's butt.

    The Ridgid is spec'd at 180 MPH but maybe that's because the tube starts at 2" and tapers down to 1/2" (0.5") at the output. The Ryobi tube is 3.5" at the output.

    The Ridgid can blow the leaves off my deck through and under the spindled railing. The Ryobi just piles them up against the railing and moves them back and
    forth. Not enough power to bend them and push them through.

    The Ridgid can begin to move a 6" high pile of leaves from about 10' away, moving
    the entire pile as I swing the blower from side to side and advancing. The Ryobi
    just barely begins to flutter the leaves at about 8'. Moving the pile would take
    forever since I'd have to stand very close and move very slowly.

    The Ridgid clears the leaves from SWMBO's fern and plant gardens with ease. IT does a great job of clearing them from in and around the holly bushes. The Ryobi
    just piles the leaves against the base of the plants.

    The Ryobi does have a Boost feature which increased the performance to about
    to level of the Ridgid, but it requires the user to both squeeze the trigger and also
    hold down a button on top of the handle with the thumb. Not something I (or my daughter) would want to do for an hour or more. In addition, the Boost feature makes the machine emit a high pitched whistle, annoying enough that I would need
    to wear hearing protection. The Ridgid is quiet enough to be comfortable and safe.

    The Ryobi kit is going back.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to bnwelch@gmail.com on Wed Sep 29 16:59:20 2021
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 05:29:23 -0700 (PDT), Brian Welch
    <bnwelch@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull >> > >>> through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it >> > >>> up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off >> > >>> the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not
    match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?" >>
    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went. >>
    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I think you will both be pleased with your purchase. I suggest you pick up a spare battery or 2...
    Best...

    But you'll just have to work longer. HD blows all this stuff out
    right about now. It may be cheaper to buy a compatible tool just for
    the second battery.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Wed Sep 29 14:13:25 2021
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 4:57:23 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 06:21:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:31:35 AM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> >> >
    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >> >> >you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >> >> >match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it

    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I've never encountered that, at either place. WallyWorld will have
    exit police but they always just wave me by. Honest face and white
    hair. ;-)
    I do not do Home Depot except for home delivery, it is a 40 minute
    drive and Lowes is on the way and only 10 minutes 15 if you catch the
    train. The HD is all self check out unless you go to the commercial
    desk. Lowes you have choice of self or cashier.

    My Home Depot is closer, but I tend to like Lowes better.
    I find that it varies a lot by region. In NE Ohio (Akron) Lowes was
    much better than HD. Here in HD's back yard, it's the other way
    around, by a long shot. I rarely go into Lowes anymore and I don't
    remember the last time I bought anything there. There are no prices
    on the lumber. I guess, these days, if you have to ask...

    Depending on how crowded it is, HD sometimes has cashiers in the main
    check out area. There is always at least one open at the far end by the lumber
    department, sometimes 2. That's the same for both of the HD's near me.
    Our HD always has several lines of cashiers (at least four during the
    day) and several self-checkout lines.
    Lowes didn't have the Ryobi sets in stock. I wasn't impressed with the prices
    or specs on the Kobalt units, but I do like the color better. ;-)
    You mean that HD didn't have the Ryobi?

    No, I meant that the Lowes didn't have it in stock. Obviously HD had in it stock
    or I wouldn't have been able to tell my story about being escorted to the cashier.

    My point was that I like shopping at Lowes better. (I said "My Home Depot is closer, but I tend to like Lowes better.") Then I said that Lowes didn't have the
    Ryobi kit in stock as a means to explain why I bought it at HD.

    (And back to HD it's going. See my response to Brian.)


    I bought the Ryobi a few years ago because it fit all my MTD
    attachments. I couldn't use the MTD gas head anymore so went with the
    Ryobi. The engine was pretty well shot anyway. The little 2-cycle
    engines are a PITA anyway.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Wed Sep 29 16:57:16 2021
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 06:21:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:31:35 AM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull >> >> >>> through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it >> >> >>> up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not
    match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it

    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went. >> >
    Jeez...the world we live in today.

    I've never encountered that, at either place. WallyWorld will have
    exit police but they always just wave me by. Honest face and white
    hair. ;-)

    I do not do Home Depot except for home delivery, it is a 40 minute
    drive and Lowes is on the way and only 10 minutes 15 if you catch the
    train. The HD is all self check out unless you go to the commercial
    desk. Lowes you have choice of self or cashier.

    My Home Depot is closer, but I tend to like Lowes better.

    I find that it varies a lot by region. In NE Ohio (Akron) Lowes was
    much better than HD. Here in HD's back yard, it's the other way
    around, by a long shot. I rarely go into Lowes anymore and I don't
    remember the last time I bought anything there. There are no prices
    on the lumber. I guess, these days, if you have to ask...

    Depending on how crowded it is, HD sometimes has cashiers in the main
    check out area. There is always at least one open at the far end by the lumber >department, sometimes 2. That's the same for both of the HD's near me.

    Our HD always has several lines of cashiers (at least four during the
    day) and several self-checkout lines.

    Lowes didn't have the Ryobi sets in stock. I wasn't impressed with the prices >or specs on the Kobalt units, but I do like the color better. ;-)

    You mean that HD didn't have the Ryobi?

    I bought the Ryobi a few years ago because it fit all my MTD
    attachments. I couldn't use the MTD gas head anymore so went with the
    Ryobi. The engine was pretty well shot anyway. The little 2-cycle
    engines are a PITA anyway.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 29 17:32:29 2021
    On 9/29/2021 5:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 4:57:23 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 06:21:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:31:35 AM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>
    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull >>>>>>>>> through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it >>>>>>>>> up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >>>>>>> you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >>>>>>> match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it

    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I've never encountered that, at either place. WallyWorld will have
    exit police but they always just wave me by. Honest face and white
    hair. ;-)
    I do not do Home Depot except for home delivery, it is a 40 minute
    drive and Lowes is on the way and only 10 minutes 15 if you catch the
    train. The HD is all self check out unless you go to the commercial
    desk. Lowes you have choice of self or cashier.

    My Home Depot is closer, but I tend to like Lowes better.
    I find that it varies a lot by region. In NE Ohio (Akron) Lowes was
    much better than HD. Here in HD's back yard, it's the other way
    around, by a long shot. I rarely go into Lowes anymore and I don't
    remember the last time I bought anything there. There are no prices
    on the lumber. I guess, these days, if you have to ask...

    Depending on how crowded it is, HD sometimes has cashiers in the main
    check out area. There is always at least one open at the far end by the lumber
    department, sometimes 2. That's the same for both of the HD's near me.
    Our HD always has several lines of cashiers (at least four during the
    day) and several self-checkout lines.
    Lowes didn't have the Ryobi sets in stock. I wasn't impressed with the prices
    or specs on the Kobalt units, but I do like the color better. ;-)
    You mean that HD didn't have the Ryobi?

    No, I meant that the Lowes didn't have it in stock. Obviously HD had in it stock
    or I wouldn't have been able to tell my story about being escorted to the cashier.

    My point was that I like shopping at Lowes better. (I said "My Home Depot is closer, but I tend to like Lowes better.") Then I said that Lowes didn't have the
    Ryobi kit in stock as a means to explain why I bought it at HD.

    (And back to HD it's going. See my response to Brian.)


    I bought the Ryobi a few years ago because it fit all my MTD
    attachments. I couldn't use the MTD gas head anymore so went with the
    Ryobi. The engine was pretty well shot anyway. The little 2-cycle
    engines are a PITA anyway.
    It was said that stores vary from region to region. I have found they
    vary from store to store and sales person to sales person. One Lowes
    store emphasizes experienced older sales people. They are extremely
    helpful when I say I need a whatchamacallet, and tell them what I am
    going to use it for. There are some younger people in the same store
    that look at you strangely and say what you want is in an aisle of the
    store.

    If whatchamacallet is really unique, I find the local hardware store
    better because of the sale staff.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Wed Sep 29 19:07:17 2021
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:13:25 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 4:57:23 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 06:21:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:31:35 AM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> >> >> >
    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >> >> >> >you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >> >> >> >match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it

    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I've never encountered that, at either place. WallyWorld will have
    exit police but they always just wave me by. Honest face and white
    hair. ;-)
    I do not do Home Depot except for home delivery, it is a 40 minute
    drive and Lowes is on the way and only 10 minutes 15 if you catch the
    train. The HD is all self check out unless you go to the commercial
    desk. Lowes you have choice of self or cashier.

    My Home Depot is closer, but I tend to like Lowes better.
    I find that it varies a lot by region. In NE Ohio (Akron) Lowes was
    much better than HD. Here in HD's back yard, it's the other way
    around, by a long shot. I rarely go into Lowes anymore and I don't
    remember the last time I bought anything there. There are no prices
    on the lumber. I guess, these days, if you have to ask...

    Depending on how crowded it is, HD sometimes has cashiers in the main
    check out area. There is always at least one open at the far end by the lumber
    department, sometimes 2. That's the same for both of the HD's near me.
    Our HD always has several lines of cashiers (at least four during the
    day) and several self-checkout lines.
    Lowes didn't have the Ryobi sets in stock. I wasn't impressed with the prices
    or specs on the Kobalt units, but I do like the color better. ;-)
    You mean that HD didn't have the Ryobi?

    No, I meant that the Lowes didn't have it in stock. Obviously HD had in it stock
    or I wouldn't have been able to tell my story about being escorted to the cashier.

    Ryobi is a HD house brand (sorta). You're not going to find it at
    Lowes, just as you're not going to find Kobalt (or Craftsman) at HD.

    My point was that I like shopping at Lowes better. (I said "My Home Depot is >closer, but I tend to like Lowes better.") Then I said that Lowes didn't have the
    Ryobi kit in stock as a means to explain why I bought it at HD.

    (And back to HD it's going. See my response to Brian.)


    I bought the Ryobi a few years ago because it fit all my MTD
    attachments. I couldn't use the MTD gas head anymore so went with the
    Ryobi. The engine was pretty well shot anyway. The little 2-cycle
    engines are a PITA anyway.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Wed Sep 29 18:13:53 2021
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:07:23 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:13:25 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 4:57:23 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 06:21:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:31:35 AM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> >> >> >> wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not
    match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it

    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I've never encountered that, at either place. WallyWorld will have
    exit police but they always just wave me by. Honest face and white
    hair. ;-)
    I do not do Home Depot except for home delivery, it is a 40 minute
    drive and Lowes is on the way and only 10 minutes 15 if you catch the >> >> train. The HD is all self check out unless you go to the commercial
    desk. Lowes you have choice of self or cashier.

    My Home Depot is closer, but I tend to like Lowes better.
    I find that it varies a lot by region. In NE Ohio (Akron) Lowes was
    much better than HD. Here in HD's back yard, it's the other way
    around, by a long shot. I rarely go into Lowes anymore and I don't
    remember the last time I bought anything there. There are no prices
    on the lumber. I guess, these days, if you have to ask...

    Depending on how crowded it is, HD sometimes has cashiers in the main
    check out area. There is always at least one open at the far end by the lumber
    department, sometimes 2. That's the same for both of the HD's near me.
    Our HD always has several lines of cashiers (at least four during the
    day) and several self-checkout lines.
    Lowes didn't have the Ryobi sets in stock. I wasn't impressed with the prices
    or specs on the Kobalt units, but I do like the color better. ;-)
    You mean that HD didn't have the Ryobi?

    No, I meant that the Lowes didn't have it in stock. Obviously HD had in it stock
    or I wouldn't have been able to tell my story about being escorted to the cashier.
    Ryobi is a HD house brand (sorta). You're not going to find it at
    Lowes, just as you're not going to find Kobalt (or Craftsman) at HD.

    I must have done too many searches yesterday. Could of sworn I saw
    Ryobi listed at Lowes but just "Out Of Stock".

    Guess not. ;-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From ads@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Wed Sep 29 21:29:14 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 06:37:25 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 8:38:15 AM UTC-4, Brian Welch wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 8:36:46 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    Pleased with the Ryobi 40V version of the string trimmer, leaf blower and chainsaw...

    Thanks.

    Lots of people seem to like the Ryobi yard care set. My experience a the (really old)
    Ryobi 18V Plus One woodworking set was less than pleasing.

    I inherited a kit from dad, didn't need it (had DeWalt then and now Rigid) but tried it
    anyway. I donated it real quickly. That makes me leery of the Ryobi yard tools, but I
    may be acting irrationally. Totally different technology and much newer.

    My Ryobi 40 volt string trimmer compares very favorably with the
    Troy-Bilt gas trimmer I was using previously: it's similar in power,
    it's lighter and the Ryobi "string" is very long-wearing. You can
    reload the string without tools - just align the holes in the trimmer
    head, run the 6 foot piece of line through the holes and wind it up.

    Depending oin the size of the yard, you may need a second battery. The
    charger is relatively fast but - unless it's a 90+ degree day - few of
    us want to wait very long to finish a dirty chore ;-) On a typical
    "trimming day", I'll switch batteries for the last 10-15% of the work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to ads on Wed Sep 29 20:19:23 2021
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 9:29:23 PM UTC-4, ads wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 06:37:25 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 8:38:15 AM UTC-4, Brian Welch wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 8:36:46 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a >> > battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    Pleased with the Ryobi 40V version of the string trimmer, leaf blower and chainsaw...

    Thanks.

    Lots of people seem to like the Ryobi yard care set. My experience a the (really old)
    Ryobi 18V Plus One woodworking set was less than pleasing.

    I inherited a kit from dad, didn't need it (had DeWalt then and now Rigid) but tried it
    anyway. I donated it real quickly. That makes me leery of the Ryobi yard tools, but I
    may be acting irrationally. Totally different technology and much newer.

    My Ryobi 40 volt string trimmer compares very favorably with the
    Troy-Bilt gas trimmer I was using previously: it's similar in power,
    it's lighter and the Ryobi "string" is very long-wearing. You can
    reload the string without tools - just align the holes in the trimmer
    head, run the 6 foot piece of line through the holes and wind it up.

    Depending oin the size of the yard, you may need a second battery. The charger is relatively fast but - unless it's a 90+ degree day - few of
    us want to wait very long to finish a dirty chore ;-) On a typical
    "trimming day", I'll switch batteries for the last 10-15% of the work.

    For me, the trimmer is not really an issue. Even my old 24V B&D works
    fine for my needs.

    It's the blower that really matters. See my response to Brian where I
    compared the Ryobi 40V blower to my corded Ridgid blower. The Ridgid
    blower kicked the Ryobi's butt.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Brian Welch@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 30 05:16:54 2021
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 11:19:26 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 9:29:23 PM UTC-4, ads wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 06:37:25 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 8:38:15 AM UTC-4, Brian Welch wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 8:36:46 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf >> > blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with >> > an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a
    battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    Thanks!
    Pleased with the Ryobi 40V version of the string trimmer, leaf blower and chainsaw...

    Thanks.

    Lots of people seem to like the Ryobi yard care set. My experience a the (really old)
    Ryobi 18V Plus One woodworking set was less than pleasing.

    I inherited a kit from dad, didn't need it (had DeWalt then and now Rigid) but tried it
    anyway. I donated it real quickly. That makes me leery of the Ryobi yard tools, but I
    may be acting irrationally. Totally different technology and much newer.

    My Ryobi 40 volt string trimmer compares very favorably with the
    Troy-Bilt gas trimmer I was using previously: it's similar in power,
    it's lighter and the Ryobi "string" is very long-wearing. You can
    reload the string without tools - just align the holes in the trimmer
    head, run the 6 foot piece of line through the holes and wind it up.

    Depending oin the size of the yard, you may need a second battery. The charger is relatively fast but - unless it's a 90+ degree day - few of
    us want to wait very long to finish a dirty chore ;-) On a typical "trimming day", I'll switch batteries for the last 10-15% of the work.
    For me, the trimmer is not really an issue. Even my old 24V B&D works
    fine for my needs.

    It's the blower that really matters. See my response to Brian where I compared the Ryobi 40V blower to my corded Ridgid blower. The Ridgid
    blower kicked the Ryobi's butt.
    Sorry it didn't work out for you...Guess we never had a blower that compares to your Ridgid...
    Thanks for the feedback

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 30 09:40:52 2021
    On 9/29/2021 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:07:23 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:13:25 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 4:57:23 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 06:21:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:31:35 AM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>
    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >>>>>>>>> you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >>>>>>>>> match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it

    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199 >>>>>>>
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I've never encountered that, at either place. WallyWorld will have
    exit police but they always just wave me by. Honest face and white
    hair. ;-)
    I do not do Home Depot except for home delivery, it is a 40 minute >>>>>> drive and Lowes is on the way and only 10 minutes 15 if you catch the >>>>>> train. The HD is all self check out unless you go to the commercial >>>>>> desk. Lowes you have choice of self or cashier.

    My Home Depot is closer, but I tend to like Lowes better.
    I find that it varies a lot by region. In NE Ohio (Akron) Lowes was
    much better than HD. Here in HD's back yard, it's the other way
    around, by a long shot. I rarely go into Lowes anymore and I don't
    remember the last time I bought anything there. There are no prices
    on the lumber. I guess, these days, if you have to ask...

    Depending on how crowded it is, HD sometimes has cashiers in the main >>>>> check out area. There is always at least one open at the far end by the lumber
    department, sometimes 2. That's the same for both of the HD's near me. >>>> Our HD always has several lines of cashiers (at least four during the
    day) and several self-checkout lines.
    Lowes didn't have the Ryobi sets in stock. I wasn't impressed with the prices
    or specs on the Kobalt units, but I do like the color better. ;-)
    You mean that HD didn't have the Ryobi?

    No, I meant that the Lowes didn't have it in stock. Obviously HD had in it stock
    or I wouldn't have been able to tell my story about being escorted to the cashier.
    Ryobi is a HD house brand (sorta). You're not going to find it at
    Lowes, just as you're not going to find Kobalt (or Craftsman) at HD.

    I must have done too many searches yesterday. Could of sworn I saw
    Ryobi listed at Lowes but just "Out Of Stock".

    Guess not. ;-)



    Every once in a blue moon a brand will be shipped to the wrong store by mistake.

    I have seen Craftsman tool boxes at HD.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Sep 30 17:09:30 2021
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 9/29/2021 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:




    Every once in a blue moon a brand will be shipped to the wrong store by >mistake.

    I have seen Craftsman tool boxes at HD.

    Craftsman is completely separate from Sears (what's left of it)
    and craftsman branded tools are sold by Lowe's, Ace, Atwoods, Amazon and Blair's Farm & Fleet.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 30 12:18:42 2021
    On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:40:52 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 9/29/2021 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:07:23 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:13:25 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 4:57:23 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 06:21:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:31:35 AM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >>>>>>>>>> you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >>>>>>>>>> match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it

    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199 >>>>>>>>
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I've never encountered that, at either place. WallyWorld will have
    exit police but they always just wave me by. Honest face and white
    hair. ;-)
    I do not do Home Depot except for home delivery, it is a 40 minute >>>>>>> drive and Lowes is on the way and only 10 minutes 15 if you catch the >>>>>>> train. The HD is all self check out unless you go to the commercial >>>>>>> desk. Lowes you have choice of self or cashier.

    My Home Depot is closer, but I tend to like Lowes better.
    I find that it varies a lot by region. In NE Ohio (Akron) Lowes was
    much better than HD. Here in HD's back yard, it's the other way
    around, by a long shot. I rarely go into Lowes anymore and I don't
    remember the last time I bought anything there. There are no prices
    on the lumber. I guess, these days, if you have to ask...

    Depending on how crowded it is, HD sometimes has cashiers in the main >>>>>> check out area. There is always at least one open at the far end by the lumber
    department, sometimes 2. That's the same for both of the HD's near me. >>>>> Our HD always has several lines of cashiers (at least four during the >>>>> day) and several self-checkout lines.
    Lowes didn't have the Ryobi sets in stock. I wasn't impressed with the prices
    or specs on the Kobalt units, but I do like the color better. ;-)
    You mean that HD didn't have the Ryobi?

    No, I meant that the Lowes didn't have it in stock. Obviously HD had in it stock
    or I wouldn't have been able to tell my story about being escorted to the cashier.
    Ryobi is a HD house brand (sorta). You're not going to find it at
    Lowes, just as you're not going to find Kobalt (or Craftsman) at HD.

    I must have done too many searches yesterday. Could of sworn I saw
    Ryobi listed at Lowes but just "Out Of Stock".

    Guess not. ;-)



    Every once in a blue moon a brand will be shipped to the wrong store by >mistake.

    I have seen Craftsman tool boxes at HD.

    How do they sell them? What for? They're obviously not in their sales
    system.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Sep 30 13:39:40 2021
    On 9/30/2021 11:18 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:40:52 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 9/29/2021 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 7:07:23 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 14:13:25 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 4:57:23 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Sep 2021 06:21:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:31:35 AM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not
    match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it

    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199 >>>>>>>>>
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I've never encountered that, at either place. WallyWorld will have >>>>>> exit police but they always just wave me by. Honest face and white >>>>>> hair. ;-)
    I do not do Home Depot except for home delivery, it is a 40 minute >>>>>>>> drive and Lowes is on the way and only 10 minutes 15 if you catch the >>>>>>>> train. The HD is all self check out unless you go to the commercial >>>>>>>> desk. Lowes you have choice of self or cashier.

    My Home Depot is closer, but I tend to like Lowes better.
    I find that it varies a lot by region. In NE Ohio (Akron) Lowes was >>>>>> much better than HD. Here in HD's back yard, it's the other way
    around, by a long shot. I rarely go into Lowes anymore and I don't >>>>>> remember the last time I bought anything there. There are no prices >>>>>> on the lumber. I guess, these days, if you have to ask...

    Depending on how crowded it is, HD sometimes has cashiers in the main >>>>>>> check out area. There is always at least one open at the far end by the lumber
    department, sometimes 2. That's the same for both of the HD's near me. >>>>>> Our HD always has several lines of cashiers (at least four during the >>>>>> day) and several self-checkout lines.
    Lowes didn't have the Ryobi sets in stock. I wasn't impressed with the prices
    or specs on the Kobalt units, but I do like the color better. ;-) >>>>>> You mean that HD didn't have the Ryobi?

    No, I meant that the Lowes didn't have it in stock. Obviously HD had in it stock
    or I wouldn't have been able to tell my story about being escorted to the cashier.
    Ryobi is a HD house brand (sorta). You're not going to find it at
    Lowes, just as you're not going to find Kobalt (or Craftsman) at HD.

    I must have done too many searches yesterday. Could of sworn I saw
    Ryobi listed at Lowes but just "Out Of Stock".

    Guess not. ;-)



    Every once in a blue moon a brand will be shipped to the wrong store by
    mistake.

    I have seen Craftsman tool boxes at HD.

    How do they sell them? What for? They're obviously not in their sales
    system.


    It is very easy to add them to inventory, just like any other new product.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Thu Sep 30 13:49:02 2021
    On 9/30/2021 12:09 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 9/29/2021 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:




    Every once in a blue moon a brand will be shipped to the wrong store by
    mistake.

    I have seen Craftsman tool boxes at HD.

    Craftsman is completely separate from Sears (what's left of it)
    and craftsman branded tools are sold by Lowe's, Ace, Atwoods, Amazon and Blair's Farm & Fleet.



    And,,,,, In many cases a brand name product is not actually
    manufactured by that brand.

    The actual manufacturer builds for multiple different retailers with
    different brand names. The Craftsman tool boxes, I saw at HD many years
    ago, were identical to the HD Husky boxes except for the label on the
    box, and or color.

    Many Craftsman power tools were made by DeWalt and that list goes on.

    Even Fein builds a tool for Festool.

    It would be interesting to see just what Craftsman actually
    manufacturers or it may be just a company having products made to their
    specs with their name on the product.

    IIRC Kenmore did not build appliances. For a very long time Whirlpool
    built Kenmore appliances. And in the later years 4 or 5 different
    appliance manufacturers built appliances for Sears with the Kenmore name.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Sep 30 12:10:02 2021
    On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 2:49:12 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/30/2021 12:09 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 9/29/2021 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:




    Every once in a blue moon a brand will be shipped to the wrong store by
    mistake.

    I have seen Craftsman tool boxes at HD.

    Craftsman is completely separate from Sears (what's left of it)
    and craftsman branded tools are sold by Lowe's, Ace, Atwoods, Amazon and Blair's Farm & Fleet.

    And,,,,, In many cases a brand name product is not actually
    manufactured by that brand.

    The actual manufacturer builds for multiple different retailers with different brand names. The Craftsman tool boxes, I saw at HD many years
    ago, were identical to the HD Husky boxes except for the label on the
    box, and or color.

    Many Craftsman power tools were made by DeWalt and that list goes on.

    Even Fein builds a tool for Festool.

    It would be interesting to see just what Craftsman actually
    manufacturers or it may be just a company having products made to their
    specs with their name on the product.

    IIRC Kenmore did not build appliances. For a very long time Whirlpool
    built Kenmore appliances. And in the later years 4 or 5 different
    appliance manufacturers built appliances for Sears with the Kenmore name.

    My favorite situation was the old AMC cars. They would design a model and
    then source parts from wherever they could get them. Sometimes they'd use multiple suppliers within the same model year.

    I had 1966 Rambler Ambassador 990. I needed a starter. When to my local parts store they asked me which of the 3 GM starters that AMC used that year did
    I have?

    I ended up having to pull my starter and bring it in so they could match up the bolt pattern. That means that whatever the starter bolted to was also different across the 990 line that year and maybe even the flywheel.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 30 23:42:36 2021
    On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:49:02 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 9/30/2021 12:09 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 9/29/2021 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:




    Every once in a blue moon a brand will be shipped to the wrong store by
    mistake.

    I have seen Craftsman tool boxes at HD.

    Craftsman is completely separate from Sears (what's left of it)
    and craftsman branded tools are sold by Lowe's, Ace, Atwoods, Amazon and
    Blair's Farm & Fleet.



    And,,,,, In many cases a brand name product is not actually
    manufactured by that brand.

    The actual manufacturer builds for multiple different retailers with >different brand names. The Craftsman tool boxes, I saw at HD many years
    ago, were identical to the HD Husky boxes except for the label on the
    box, and or color.

    Many Craftsman power tools were made by DeWalt and that list goes on.

    Even Fein builds a tool for Festool.

    Isn't Fein owned by Festool?

    It would be interesting to see just what Craftsman actually
    manufacturers or it may be just a company having products made to their
    specs with their name on the product.

    As you hint, Craftsman makes nothing. Never has, AFAIK.

    IIRC Kenmore did not build appliances. For a very long time Whirlpool
    built Kenmore appliances. And in the later years 4 or 5 different
    appliance manufacturers built appliances for Sears with the Kenmore name.

    There are only a few appliance manufacturers.

    Maytag owns Jenn-Air, Maytag, Amana, Roper, and KitchenAid

    Electrolux makes Frigidare, Tappan, and a few others

    Haier (Chinese): GE, Hotpoint, Profile, and probably a few more

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 30 22:22:48 2021
    On 9/30/2021 2:10 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 2:49:12 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/30/2021 12:09 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 9/29/2021 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:




    Every once in a blue moon a brand will be shipped to the wrong store by >>>> mistake.

    I have seen Craftsman tool boxes at HD.

    Craftsman is completely separate from Sears (what's left of it)
    and craftsman branded tools are sold by Lowe's, Ace, Atwoods, Amazon and >>> Blair's Farm & Fleet.

    And,,,,, In many cases a brand name product is not actually
    manufactured by that brand.

    The actual manufacturer builds for multiple different retailers with
    different brand names. The Craftsman tool boxes, I saw at HD many years
    ago, were identical to the HD Husky boxes except for the label on the
    box, and or color.

    Many Craftsman power tools were made by DeWalt and that list goes on.

    Even Fein builds a tool for Festool.

    It would be interesting to see just what Craftsman actually
    manufacturers or it may be just a company having products made to their
    specs with their name on the product.

    IIRC Kenmore did not build appliances. For a very long time Whirlpool
    built Kenmore appliances. And in the later years 4 or 5 different
    appliance manufacturers built appliances for Sears with the Kenmore name.

    My favorite situation was the old AMC cars. They would design a model and then source parts from wherever they could get them. Sometimes they'd use multiple suppliers within the same model year.

    That is nothing unique. GM and FORD had interchangeable manual
    transmissions for many years. That was in 1970. Borg Warner built the transmission for both. Even today the 10 speed automatic transmission
    used by both was a joint effort.

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile
    companies don't build.

    Think Tenaka air bags.

    Many turbo chargers are outsourced from Banks, fuel filters made by Racor.

    Remember Hurst shifters?



    I had 1966 Rambler Ambassador 990. I needed a starter. When to my local parts store they asked me which of the 3 GM starters that AMC used that year did
    I have?

    FWIW AMC bought Buick's V6 way back when and then GM started using that
    V6 again in 1975.



    I ended up having to pull my starter and bring it in so they could match up the
    bolt pattern. That means that whatever the starter bolted to was also different
    across the 990 line that year and maybe even the flywheel.


    Same with Ford and even on their engines. They had a 351 Cleveland and
    351 Windsor, two totally different engines of the same displacement
    built in the same year. The Cleveland engine was the desired one.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Fri Oct 1 09:25:50 2021
    On 9/30/2021 10:42 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:49:02 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 9/30/2021 12:09 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 9/29/2021 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:




    Every once in a blue moon a brand will be shipped to the wrong store by >>>> mistake.

    I have seen Craftsman tool boxes at HD.

    Craftsman is completely separate from Sears (what's left of it)
    and craftsman branded tools are sold by Lowe's, Ace, Atwoods, Amazon and >>> Blair's Farm & Fleet.



    And,,,,, In many cases a brand name product is not actually
    manufactured by that brand.

    The actual manufacturer builds for multiple different retailers with
    different brand names. The Craftsman tool boxes, I saw at HD many years
    ago, were identical to the HD Husky boxes except for the label on the
    box, and or color.

    Many Craftsman power tools were made by DeWalt and that list goes on.

    Even Fein builds a tool for Festool.

    Isn't Fein owned by Festool?

    Perhaps, I have not heard or seen that yet. But Festool does own SawStop.



    It would be interesting to see just what Craftsman actually
    manufacturers or it may be just a company having products made to their
    specs with their name on the product.

    As you hint, Craftsman makes nothing. Never has, AFAIK.

    IIRC Kenmore did not build appliances. For a very long time Whirlpool
    built Kenmore appliances. And in the later years 4 or 5 different
    appliance manufacturers built appliances for Sears with the Kenmore name.

    There are only a few appliance manufacturers.

    Maytag owns Jenn-Air, Maytag, Amana, Roper, and KitchenAid

    Electrolux makes Frigidare, Tappan, and a few others

    Haier (Chinese): GE, Hotpoint, Profile, and probably a few more

    IIRC Samsung now builds GE and probably GE Profile too.

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  • From Brian Welch@21:1/5 to Leon on Fri Oct 1 10:39:36 2021
    On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 10:25:59 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/30/2021 10:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:49:02 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 9/30/2021 12:09 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 9/29/2021 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:




    Every once in a blue moon a brand will be shipped to the wrong store by >>>> mistake.

    I have seen Craftsman tool boxes at HD.

    Craftsman is completely separate from Sears (what's left of it)
    and craftsman branded tools are sold by Lowe's, Ace, Atwoods, Amazon and >>> Blair's Farm & Fleet.



    And,,,,, In many cases a brand name product is not actually
    manufactured by that brand.

    The actual manufacturer builds for multiple different retailers with
    different brand names. The Craftsman tool boxes, I saw at HD many years
    ago, were identical to the HD Husky boxes except for the label on the
    box, and or color.

    Many Craftsman power tools were made by DeWalt and that list goes on.

    Even Fein builds a tool for Festool.

    Isn't Fein owned by Festool?
    Perhaps, I have not heard or seen that yet. But Festool does own SawStop.

    It would be interesting to see just what Craftsman actually
    manufacturers or it may be just a company having products made to their
    specs with their name on the product.

    As you hint, Craftsman makes nothing. Never has, AFAIK.

    IIRC Kenmore did not build appliances. For a very long time Whirlpool
    built Kenmore appliances. And in the later years 4 or 5 different
    appliance manufacturers built appliances for Sears with the Kenmore name.

    There are only a few appliance manufacturers.

    Maytag owns Jenn-Air, Maytag, Amana, Roper, and KitchenAid

    Electrolux makes Frigidare, Tappan, and a few others

    Haier (Chinese): GE, Hotpoint, Profile, and probably a few more

    IIRC Samsung now builds GE and probably GE Profile too.
    wrt Sears, the key to the manufacturer usually lies in the first 3 digits of the item's model number...
    https://www.scribd.com/document/30598280/Sears-Manufacturer-Codes-1

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to bnwelch@gmail.com on Fri Oct 1 14:11:43 2021
    On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 10:39:36 -0700 (PDT), Brian Welch
    <bnwelch@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 10:25:59 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 9/30/2021 10:42 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:49:02 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 9/30/2021 12:09 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 9/29/2021 8:13 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:




    Every once in a blue moon a brand will be shipped to the wrong store by >> >>>> mistake.

    I have seen Craftsman tool boxes at HD.

    Craftsman is completely separate from Sears (what's left of it)
    and craftsman branded tools are sold by Lowe's, Ace, Atwoods, Amazon and >> >>> Blair's Farm & Fleet.



    And,,,,, In many cases a brand name product is not actually
    manufactured by that brand.

    The actual manufacturer builds for multiple different retailers with
    different brand names. The Craftsman tool boxes, I saw at HD many years >> >> ago, were identical to the HD Husky boxes except for the label on the
    box, and or color.

    Many Craftsman power tools were made by DeWalt and that list goes on.

    Even Fein builds a tool for Festool.

    Isn't Fein owned by Festool?
    Perhaps, I have not heard or seen that yet. But Festool does own SawStop.

    It would be interesting to see just what Craftsman actually
    manufacturers or it may be just a company having products made to their >> >> specs with their name on the product.

    As you hint, Craftsman makes nothing. Never has, AFAIK.

    IIRC Kenmore did not build appliances. For a very long time Whirlpool
    built Kenmore appliances. And in the later years 4 or 5 different
    appliance manufacturers built appliances for Sears with the Kenmore name. >> >
    There are only a few appliance manufacturers.

    Maytag owns Jenn-Air, Maytag, Amana, Roper, and KitchenAid

    Electrolux makes Frigidare, Tappan, and a few others

    Haier (Chinese): GE, Hotpoint, Profile, and probably a few more

    IIRC Samsung now builds GE and probably GE Profile too.
    wrt Sears, the key to the manufacturer usually lies in the first 3 digits of the item's model number...
    https://www.scribd.com/document/30598280/Sears-Manufacturer-Codes-1



    another eg. Sears Kenmore sewing machines :
    20 = Greist
    117 = White Sewing Machine Co.
    119 = Unknown
    120 = New Process Division of Chrysler Corp.
    148 = Soryu ( Japan )
    153 = Riccar
    158 = Maruzen / Jaguar
    340 = Necchi
    385 = Janome
    516 = Gritzner Kaiser (W. Germany)

    https://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage-antique-machine-enthusiasts-f22/sears-sewing-machine-manufacturer-list-addition-t259833.html
    John T.

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  • From Puckdropper@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Oct 6 08:21:09 2021
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8nZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile
    companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little
    logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs?

    Puckdropper

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Puckdropper on Wed Oct 6 09:08:00 2021
    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8nZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile
    companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little
    logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs?

    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.

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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Oct 6 10:53:42 2021
    On 10/6/2021 10:08 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
    news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8nZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile
    companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little
    logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go
    through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs?

    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.
    Intermixing of auto brands is nothing new. 55 years ago my father in law
    worked for the GM Fisher body plant in Columbus Ohio. It was called a
    BOP plant, as Buick, Olds and Pontiac were manufactured on the same
    line. It was not unusual to see a Buick, Olds then a Pontiac moving
    down the line one behind the other.

    My friend had a 62 Pontiac and I had a 62 Chevy Impala. Many of the non branding parts were the same. Basic door panel, he panels under the
    dash, etc.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 6 07:32:55 2021
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull >>> through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it >>> up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off >>> the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time >but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.

    I went to Lowes and dropped the big bucks on the 56V Ego blower rated at 180mph. I haven't
    compared it to my 180mph corded blower yet since it's been raining for days.

    However, the shopping experience was certainly more friendly.

    As I noted above, the Ryobi at HD was locked in a cage and I was escorted to the cashier by
    the person who had the combo to open the "safe".

    At Lowes, they don't lock up their blowers, but they do put a motion sensing puck on it. Taking
    it off the shelf, putting it on a cart, bouncing the lumber cart around the store causes it to emit
    a series of beeps. Slightly annoying, but certainly better than the perp walk to the cashier station
    at HD. And I can continue shopping even after I've selected the blower without having to retrieve
    it later. And I didn't have to wait around for the keeper of the combo to make her way to the garden
    center.

    Granted, I am comparing an HD and Lowes that are located in very different neighborhoods, if you
    catch my drift. The next time I'm in a HD in a comparable neighborhood to the Lowes I shopped at,
    I'll have to see if the lock down policy is HD wide or store specific.

    I hope to compare the Ego 56V to my Ridgid corded blower in the next day or two. I will say that the
    battery and therefore the charger for the 56V are *massive* compared to my 18V Ridgid and 24V B&D
    sets. The Ego charger itself has a frigging cooling fan in it! Whirrrrrrr until the battery is fully charged.

    https://i.imgur.com/wwbVsK8.jpg

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Oct 6 11:57:26 2021
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:08:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
    news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8nZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile
    companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little
    logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go
    through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs?

    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a >manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.

    I don't think that's true. Setting up a new manufacturing line isn't
    cheap. Neither is engineering.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net on Wed Oct 6 08:22:23 2021
    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:53:46 AM UTC-4, keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    On 10/6/2021 10:08 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
    news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8...@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile
    companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little >> logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go >> through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs?

    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.
    Intermixing of auto brands is nothing new. 55 years ago my father in law worked for the GM Fisher body plant in Columbus Ohio. It was called a
    BOP plant, as Buick, Olds and Pontiac were manufactured on the same
    line. It was not unusual to see a Buick, Olds then a Pontiac moving
    down the line one behind the other.

    My friend had a 62 Pontiac and I had a 62 Chevy Impala. Many of the non branding parts were the same. Basic door panel, he panels under the
    dash, etc.

    Intermixing of auto brands isn't new, but where it gets to be a pain is when they intermix different brands within the same model year, making it difficult to
    figure out whose part you have in your specific vehicle.

    It's easier now with VIN-searchable databases, but back in the pre-internet days, determining which part you needed might be based on bolt pattern, etc.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to knuttle on Wed Oct 6 11:56:27 2021
    On 10/6/2021 9:53 AM, knuttle wrote:
    On 10/6/2021 10:08 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
    news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8nZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile
    companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little >>> logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go >>> through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs?

    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a
    manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.
    Intermixing of auto brands is nothing new. 55 years ago my father in law worked for the GM Fisher body plant in Columbus Ohio.   It was called a
    BOP plant, as Buick, Olds and Pontiac were manufactured on the same
    line.  It was not unusual to see a Buick, Olds then a Pontiac moving
    down the line one behind the other.

    My friend had a 62 Pontiac and I had a 62 Chevy Impala.  Many of the non branding parts were the same.  Basic door panel, he panels under the
    dash, etc.


    LOL. When I worked for an Olds dealer we got a Pontmobile in.

    It was an Oldsmobile with a Pontiac interior.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Wed Oct 6 12:05:05 2021
    On 10/6/2021 10:57 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:08:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
    news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8nZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile
    companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little >>> logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go >>> through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs?

    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a
    manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.

    I don't think that's true. Setting up a new manufacturing line isn't
    cheap. Neither is engineering.



    If you are manufacturing the part continuously, you don't want some one
    else doing it.

    If it is something that you don not normally manufacture, then yes buy
    it from some one else.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 6 12:02:10 2021
    On 10/6/2021 10:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:53:46 AM UTC-4, keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net wrote:
    On 10/6/2021 10:08 AM, Leon wrote:
    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
    news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8...@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile
    companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little >>>> logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go >>>> through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs? >>>>
    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a
    manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.
    Intermixing of auto brands is nothing new. 55 years ago my father in law
    worked for the GM Fisher body plant in Columbus Ohio. It was called a
    BOP plant, as Buick, Olds and Pontiac were manufactured on the same
    line. It was not unusual to see a Buick, Olds then a Pontiac moving
    down the line one behind the other.

    My friend had a 62 Pontiac and I had a 62 Chevy Impala. Many of the non
    branding parts were the same. Basic door panel, he panels under the
    dash, etc.

    Intermixing of auto brands isn't new, but where it gets to be a pain is when they intermix different brands within the same model year, making it difficult to
    figure out whose part you have in your specific vehicle.

    And if you think that is bad, we were constantly sending mechanics back
    into our shop to measure drum size to get him the proper size brake
    shoe. Then was the master cylinder a Delco or Bendix? Transmission
    filter, sure which transmission?



    It's easier now with VIN-searchable databases, but back in the pre-internet days, determining which part you needed might be based on bolt pattern, etc.


    Yes, catalogs that were 36" across.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Oct 6 17:49:45 2021
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 12:05:05 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/6/2021 10:57 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:08:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
    news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8nZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile
    companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little >>>> logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go >>>> through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs? >>>>
    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a
    manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.

    I don't think that's true. Setting up a new manufacturing line isn't
    cheap. Neither is engineering.



    If you are manufacturing the part continuously, you don't want some one
    else doing it.

    If it is something that you don not normally manufacture, then yes buy
    it from some one else.

    Again, not necessarily. "Continuously" isn't forever. For the next
    model year (maybe two) they will change the wheels. There are a *lot*
    of tier-1 and tier-2 companies making a good living making parts the manufacturer doesn't want to make.

    Not only does production cost real money but engineering and approval
    isn't peanuts either. If that cost can be shared, or borne by someone
    else at a lower overhead, perhaps, it doesn't make sense to make it
    yourself. If that is a competitor, oh well.

    If your production capability is max'd, it probably doesn't make sense
    to add more unless you're damn sure it's going to be needed until that
    plant is depreciated.

    This is what bean counters do.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Oct 7 09:35:12 2021
    On 10/6/2021 4:49 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 12:05:05 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/6/2021 10:57 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:08:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
    news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8nZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile >>>>>> companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little >>>>> logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go >>>>> through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs? >>>>>
    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a >>>> manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.

    I don't think that's true. Setting up a new manufacturing line isn't
    cheap. Neither is engineering.



    If you are manufacturing the part continuously, you don't want some one
    else doing it.

    If it is something that you don not normally manufacture, then yes buy
    it from some one else.

    Again, not necessarily. "Continuously" isn't forever. For the next
    model year (maybe two) they will change the wheels. There are a *lot*
    of tier-1 and tier-2 companies making a good living making parts the manufacturer doesn't want to make.

    To me continuously means always.

    OK, soooo we are talking about automobile manufacturers and their
    changing suppliers. But wheels are normally a contentious item to
    manufacture, wheels are mostly interchangeable within a particular
    product line if the model does not change. I do not know of any
    automobile manufacture that sublets body panels. I agree with you on
    some elements but you also have to keep in consideration that many of
    the outside manufacturers are owned by the parent company. So in
    essence the owner is not buying from the competition and still calls the
    shots on the specs of the part.



    Not only does production cost real money but engineering and approval
    isn't peanuts either. If that cost can be shared, or borne by someone
    else at a lower overhead, perhaps, it doesn't make sense to make it
    yourself. If that is a competitor, oh well.

    The costs are real for the main company and its competition. Typically
    5 wheels go onto every vehicle so it is not a question of if they will
    be needed. ;~)
    But I understand where you are going.
    I don't believe that either of us are talking about a method being
    exactly one way or another. Some times it is, sometimes it is not.
    Air bags would be a good example of outsourcing. Body parts would not
    be. I doubt that wheels would be but possibly, but certainly not interchangeable between foreign or domestic. While the design may be
    similar the fit would not.




    If your production capability is max'd, it probably doesn't make sense
    to add more unless you're damn sure it's going to be needed until that
    plant is depreciated.

    This is what bean counters do.


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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Thu Oct 7 11:07:55 2021
    On 10/7/2021 10:48 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 10/6/2021 4:49 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 12:05:05 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/6/2021 10:57 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:08:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>
    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
    news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8nZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile >>>>>>>> companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little
    logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go
    through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs? >>>>>>>
    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a >>>>>> manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.

    I don't think that's true. Setting up a new manufacturing line isn't >>>>> cheap. Neither is engineering.



    If you are manufacturing the part continuously, you don't want some one >>>> else doing it.

    If it is something that you don not normally manufacture, then yes buy >>>> it from some one else.

    Again, not necessarily. "Continuously" isn't forever. For the next
    model year (maybe two) they will change the wheels. There are a *lot*
    of tier-1 and tier-2 companies making a good living making parts the
    manufacturer doesn't want to make.

    To me continuously means always.

    https://www.quora.com/How-much-of-a-cars-manufacturing-is-outsourced


    Sooo I was the parts manager for a large Oldsmobile dealer and later the Service sales manager for the same.
    I later was the GM for an AC/Delco 3M distributor.

    I know parts are outsourced, I often bought the same product from
    someone other than GM.

    But as the link shows parts, not all, are manufactured in house,
    obviously not all. And the suppliers are often owned by the parent company.

    I saw a mention that engines are outsourced. Well, some are, Cummins
    for instance is an outsourced engine but most engines are built by the manufacturer or one of its divisions.

    The manufacturer seldom builds every component in house as that would
    require an enormous facility.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Oct 7 15:48:23 2021
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 10/6/2021 4:49 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 12:05:05 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/6/2021 10:57 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:08:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>
    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
    news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8nZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile >>>>>>> companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little >>>>>> logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go >>>>>> through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs? >>>>>>
    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a >>>>> manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.

    I don't think that's true. Setting up a new manufacturing line isn't
    cheap. Neither is engineering.



    If you are manufacturing the part continuously, you don't want some one
    else doing it.

    If it is something that you don not normally manufacture, then yes buy
    it from some one else.

    Again, not necessarily. "Continuously" isn't forever. For the next
    model year (maybe two) they will change the wheels. There are a *lot*
    of tier-1 and tier-2 companies making a good living making parts the
    manufacturer doesn't want to make.

    To me continuously means always.

    https://www.quora.com/How-much-of-a-cars-manufacturing-is-outsourced

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Thu Oct 7 12:07:31 2021
    On 10/7/2021 11:51 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 10/7/2021 10:48 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:

    Again, not necessarily. "Continuously" isn't forever. For the next >>>>> model year (maybe two) they will change the wheels. There are a *lot* >>>>> of tier-1 and tier-2 companies making a good living making parts the >>>>> manufacturer doesn't want to make.

    To me continuously means always.

    https://www.quora.com/How-much-of-a-cars-manufacturing-is-outsourced


    Sooo I was the parts manager for a large Oldsmobile dealer and later the
    Service sales manager for the same.
    I later was the GM for an AC/Delco 3M distributor.


    Indeed. However this is 2021 and things have changed at
    all the large manufacturers, not just automotive..

    Well I think think things have changed but not to the degree that many
    think. Outsourcing has always been a big part of automobile
    manufacturer. I would say that anything that weighs less than 20 lbs
    was probably outsourced or manufactured by a company owned by the parent company. Way back when, frames, bodies, most engines and transmissions
    were manufactured by the parent company. Everything else by a supplier
    and or again a division.



    And getting off subject even further, LOL. Have you seen the video of
    the Tesla injection mold machine for making the chassis? It is a huge
    machine manufactured in Italy.




    Take the Boeing 787, for example; over 70% of the plane was outsourced.

    Yes and that is not recent either.

    https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/052815/who-are-teslas-tsla-main-suppliers.asp

    Many outsource the tooling costs (and some design costs) to the
    contract manufacturer in exchange for a per-unit-cost contract
    (and often have the weight to drive the unit cost down, sometimes
    to or below the actual production cost, sadly).


    There is that and China comes into play, unfortunately.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 7 13:00:31 2021
    On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 16:51:36 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 10/7/2021 10:48 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:

    Again, not necessarily. "Continuously" isn't forever. For the next >>>>> model year (maybe two) they will change the wheels. There are a *lot* >>>>> of tier-1 and tier-2 companies making a good living making parts the >>>>> manufacturer doesn't want to make.

    To me continuously means always.

    https://www.quora.com/How-much-of-a-cars-manufacturing-is-outsourced


    Sooo I was the parts manager for a large Oldsmobile dealer and later the >>Service sales manager for the same.
    I later was the GM for an AC/Delco 3M distributor.


    Indeed. However this is 2021 and things have changed at
    all the large manufacturers, not just automotive..

    Take the Boeing 787, for example; over 70% of the plane was outsourced.

    https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/052815/who-are-teslas-tsla-main-suppliers.asp

    Many outsource the tooling costs (and some design costs) to the
    contract manufacturer in exchange for a per-unit-cost contract
    (and often have the weight to drive the unit cost down, sometimes
    to or below the actual production cost, sadly).


    Can you say Magna ... ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_International

    John T.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Oct 7 16:51:36 2021
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 10/7/2021 10:48 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:

    Again, not necessarily. "Continuously" isn't forever. For the next
    model year (maybe two) they will change the wheels. There are a *lot* >>>> of tier-1 and tier-2 companies making a good living making parts the
    manufacturer doesn't want to make.

    To me continuously means always.

    https://www.quora.com/How-much-of-a-cars-manufacturing-is-outsourced


    Sooo I was the parts manager for a large Oldsmobile dealer and later the >Service sales manager for the same.
    I later was the GM for an AC/Delco 3M distributor.


    Indeed. However this is 2021 and things have changed at
    all the large manufacturers, not just automotive..

    Take the Boeing 787, for example; over 70% of the plane was outsourced.

    https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/052815/who-are-teslas-tsla-main-suppliers.asp

    Many outsource the tooling costs (and some design costs) to the
    contract manufacturer in exchange for a per-unit-cost contract
    (and often have the weight to drive the unit cost down, sometimes
    to or below the actual production cost, sadly).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 7 10:32:57 2021
    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:32:57 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 ><teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull >>> through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it >>> up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I went to Lowes and dropped the big bucks on the 56V Ego blower rated at 180mph. I haven't
    compared it to my 180mph corded blower yet since it's been raining for days.

    However, the shopping experience was certainly more friendly.

    As I noted above, the Ryobi at HD was locked in a cage and I was escorted to the cashier by
    the person who had the combo to open the "safe".

    At Lowes, they don't lock up their blowers, but they do put a motion sensing puck on it. Taking
    it off the shelf, putting it on a cart, bouncing the lumber cart around the store causes it to emit
    a series of beeps. Slightly annoying, but certainly better than the perp walk to the cashier station
    at HD. And I can continue shopping even after I've selected the blower without having to retrieve
    it later. And I didn't have to wait around for the keeper of the combo to make her way to the garden
    center.

    Granted, I am comparing an HD and Lowes that are located in very different neighborhoods, if you
    catch my drift. The next time I'm in a HD in a comparable neighborhood to the Lowes I shopped at,
    I'll have to see if the lock down policy is HD wide or store specific.

    I hope to compare the Ego 56V to my Ridgid corded blower in the next day or two. I will say that the
    battery and therefore the charger for the 56V are *massive* compared to my 18V Ridgid and 24V B&D
    sets. The Ego charger itself has a frigging cooling fan in it! Whirrrrrrr until the battery is fully charged.

    https://i.imgur.com/wwbVsK8.jpg

    I will be keeping the 56V Ego LB6504 blower. Here's the comparison to my Ridgid corded blower (detachable wet/dry vac motor) and the Ryobi 40V RY40480.

    Pros:
    - More than enough power for my needs, comparable to my Ridgid corded blower
    * Ego, yes. Rigid, yes. Ryobi, no

    - Constant-on variable speed control for a nice steady blower speed, which
    can then be increased by the thumb trigger or maxed out with the Turbo button
    * Ego, yes, Rigid, no (on/off switch only), Ryobi, no (trigger must be used at all times)

    - 3 output nozzles: large tube, small cone and flare nozzle
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no (Flare only, Ryobi, no (large only)

    Cons:
    - Loud at full speed. High pitch suggests hearing protection
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes

    - Heavier, compared to Ridgid
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes, but not as much as the Ego

    - Angle of attack
    * Ego is long, I am short, causing nozzle to be close to the ground and pointed lower than I like. I have to twist my wrist upward to aim it where I want. Ridgid
    is shorter and lighter, easier to aim. Ryobi has an adjustable handle, allowing user
    to select the angle that works for them. I can just let the blower hang down off
    the end of my arm. Nice feature, I really wish the Ego had it.

    Even though the Ego is the heaviest, I may try adding a pound or two the handle end to see if I can bring the nozzle up a bit.

    - Battery and charger size
    * Ego, massive, Ridgid, just right, Ryobi, OK
    Finding room near a receptacle for the Ego charger will take some effort. I
    see another shelf in my future.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Thu Oct 7 14:27:22 2021
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:32:57 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> > > >
    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull >> > > >>> through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it >> > > >>> up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not
    match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went. >> >
    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I went to Lowes and dropped the big bucks on the 56V Ego blower rated at 180mph. I haven't
    compared it to my 180mph corded blower yet since it's been raining for days. >>
    However, the shopping experience was certainly more friendly.

    As I noted above, the Ryobi at HD was locked in a cage and I was escorted to the cashier by
    the person who had the combo to open the "safe".

    At Lowes, they don't lock up their blowers, but they do put a motion sensing puck on it. Taking
    it off the shelf, putting it on a cart, bouncing the lumber cart around the store causes it to emit
    a series of beeps. Slightly annoying, but certainly better than the perp walk to the cashier station
    at HD. And I can continue shopping even after I've selected the blower without having to retrieve
    it later. And I didn't have to wait around for the keeper of the combo to make her way to the garden
    center.

    Granted, I am comparing an HD and Lowes that are located in very different neighborhoods, if you
    catch my drift. The next time I'm in a HD in a comparable neighborhood to the Lowes I shopped at,
    I'll have to see if the lock down policy is HD wide or store specific.

    I hope to compare the Ego 56V to my Ridgid corded blower in the next day or two. I will say that the
    battery and therefore the charger for the 56V are *massive* compared to my 18V Ridgid and 24V B&D
    sets. The Ego charger itself has a frigging cooling fan in it! Whirrrrrrr until the battery is fully charged.

    https://i.imgur.com/wwbVsK8.jpg

    I will be keeping the 56V Ego LB6504 blower. Here's the comparison to my Ridgid
    corded blower (detachable wet/dry vac motor) and the Ryobi 40V RY40480.

    Pros:
    - More than enough power for my needs, comparable to my Ridgid corded blower
    * Ego, yes. Rigid, yes. Ryobi, no

    - Constant-on variable speed control for a nice steady blower speed, which
    can then be increased by the thumb trigger or maxed out with the Turbo button >* Ego, yes, Rigid, no (on/off switch only), Ryobi, no (trigger must be used at all times)

    - 3 output nozzles: large tube, small cone and flare nozzle
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no (Flare only, Ryobi, no (large only)

    Cons:
    - Loud at full speed. High pitch suggests hearing protection
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes

    - Heavier, compared to Ridgid
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes, but not as much as the Ego

    - Angle of attack
    * Ego is long, I am short, causing nozzle to be close to the ground and pointed
    lower than I like. I have to twist my wrist upward to aim it where I want. Ridgid
    is shorter and lighter, easier to aim. Ryobi has an adjustable handle, allowing user
    to select the angle that works for them. I can just let the blower hang down off
    the end of my arm. Nice feature, I really wish the Ego had it.

    Even though the Ego is the heaviest, I may try adding a pound or two the handle
    end to see if I can bring the nozzle up a bit.

    - Battery and charger size
    * Ego, massive, Ridgid, just right, Ryobi, OK
    Finding room near a receptacle for the Ego charger will take some effort. I >see another shelf in my future.

    We have three chargers, still have not figured a good place for them
    maybe hanging on the wall (no wall space in the garage). The batteries
    come in 2.0, 2.5, 5.0, 7.5 and 10 amp hour varieties. Weight increases
    with more capacity I have two of 2.5 and one 5.0 the 5 is to heavy for
    my taste on the blower. One problem with the EGO I have noted if you
    have loose shirt or pants the intake can get covered.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 7 12:43:53 2021
    On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:27:30 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:32:57 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> > > >
    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >> > > >you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >> > > >match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I went to Lowes and dropped the big bucks on the 56V Ego blower rated at 180mph. I haven't
    compared it to my 180mph corded blower yet since it's been raining for days.

    However, the shopping experience was certainly more friendly.

    As I noted above, the Ryobi at HD was locked in a cage and I was escorted to the cashier by
    the person who had the combo to open the "safe".

    At Lowes, they don't lock up their blowers, but they do put a motion sensing puck on it. Taking
    it off the shelf, putting it on a cart, bouncing the lumber cart around the store causes it to emit
    a series of beeps. Slightly annoying, but certainly better than the perp walk to the cashier station
    at HD. And I can continue shopping even after I've selected the blower without having to retrieve
    it later. And I didn't have to wait around for the keeper of the combo to make her way to the garden
    center.

    Granted, I am comparing an HD and Lowes that are located in very different neighborhoods, if you
    catch my drift. The next time I'm in a HD in a comparable neighborhood to the Lowes I shopped at,
    I'll have to see if the lock down policy is HD wide or store specific.

    I hope to compare the Ego 56V to my Ridgid corded blower in the next day or two. I will say that the
    battery and therefore the charger for the 56V are *massive* compared to my 18V Ridgid and 24V B&D
    sets. The Ego charger itself has a frigging cooling fan in it! Whirrrrrrr until the battery is fully charged.

    https://i.imgur.com/wwbVsK8.jpg

    I will be keeping the 56V Ego LB6504 blower. Here's the comparison to my Ridgid
    corded blower (detachable wet/dry vac motor) and the Ryobi 40V RY40480.

    Pros:
    - More than enough power for my needs, comparable to my Ridgid corded blower
    * Ego, yes. Rigid, yes. Ryobi, no

    - Constant-on variable speed control for a nice steady blower speed, which
    can then be increased by the thumb trigger or maxed out with the Turbo button
    * Ego, yes, Rigid, no (on/off switch only), Ryobi, no (trigger must be used at all times)

    - 3 output nozzles: large tube, small cone and flare nozzle
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no (Flare only, Ryobi, no (large only)

    Cons:
    - Loud at full speed. High pitch suggests hearing protection
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes

    - Heavier, compared to Ridgid
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes, but not as much as the Ego

    - Angle of attack
    * Ego is long, I am short, causing nozzle to be close to the ground and pointed
    lower than I like. I have to twist my wrist upward to aim it where I want. Ridgid
    is shorter and lighter, easier to aim. Ryobi has an adjustable handle, allowing user
    to select the angle that works for them. I can just let the blower hang down off
    the end of my arm. Nice feature, I really wish the Ego had it.

    Even though the Ego is the heaviest, I may try adding a pound or two the handle
    end to see if I can bring the nozzle up a bit.

    - Battery and charger size
    * Ego, massive, Ridgid, just right, Ryobi, OK
    Finding room near a receptacle for the Ego charger will take some effort. I >see another shelf in my future.
    We have three chargers, still have not figured a good place for them
    maybe hanging on the wall (no wall space in the garage). The batteries
    come in 2.0, 2.5, 5.0, 7.5 and 10 amp hour varieties. Weight increases
    with more capacity I have two of 2.5 and one 5.0 the 5 is to heavy for
    my taste on the blower. One problem with the EGO I have noted if you
    have loose shirt or pants the intake can get covered.

    Yeah, I have the 5. I think my '69 VW Bug was smaller and lighter.

    Is your intake on the back? I don't see how pants could cover the intake
    on mine. Maybe clown pants. ;-)

    The honeycomb section is the intake.

    https://www.leafblowerguide.com/wp-content/uploads/EGO-LB6504-4.jpg

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Thu Oct 7 15:56:23 2021
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 12:43:53 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:27:30 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:32:57 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> >> >> > > wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >> >> > > >you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >> >> > > >match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I went to Lowes and dropped the big bucks on the 56V Ego blower rated at 180mph. I haven't
    compared it to my 180mph corded blower yet since it's been raining for days.

    However, the shopping experience was certainly more friendly.

    As I noted above, the Ryobi at HD was locked in a cage and I was escorted to the cashier by
    the person who had the combo to open the "safe".

    At Lowes, they don't lock up their blowers, but they do put a motion sensing puck on it. Taking
    it off the shelf, putting it on a cart, bouncing the lumber cart around the store causes it to emit
    a series of beeps. Slightly annoying, but certainly better than the perp walk to the cashier station
    at HD. And I can continue shopping even after I've selected the blower without having to retrieve
    it later. And I didn't have to wait around for the keeper of the combo to make her way to the garden
    center.

    Granted, I am comparing an HD and Lowes that are located in very different neighborhoods, if you
    catch my drift. The next time I'm in a HD in a comparable neighborhood to the Lowes I shopped at,
    I'll have to see if the lock down policy is HD wide or store specific.

    I hope to compare the Ego 56V to my Ridgid corded blower in the next day or two. I will say that the
    battery and therefore the charger for the 56V are *massive* compared to my 18V Ridgid and 24V B&D
    sets. The Ego charger itself has a frigging cooling fan in it! Whirrrrrrr until the battery is fully charged.

    https://i.imgur.com/wwbVsK8.jpg

    I will be keeping the 56V Ego LB6504 blower. Here's the comparison to my Ridgid
    corded blower (detachable wet/dry vac motor) and the Ryobi 40V RY40480.

    Pros:
    - More than enough power for my needs, comparable to my Ridgid corded blower
    * Ego, yes. Rigid, yes. Ryobi, no

    - Constant-on variable speed control for a nice steady blower speed, which >> >can then be increased by the thumb trigger or maxed out with the Turbo button
    * Ego, yes, Rigid, no (on/off switch only), Ryobi, no (trigger must be used at all times)

    - 3 output nozzles: large tube, small cone and flare nozzle
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no (Flare only, Ryobi, no (large only)

    Cons:
    - Loud at full speed. High pitch suggests hearing protection
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes

    - Heavier, compared to Ridgid
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes, but not as much as the Ego

    - Angle of attack
    * Ego is long, I am short, causing nozzle to be close to the ground and pointed
    lower than I like. I have to twist my wrist upward to aim it where I want. Ridgid
    is shorter and lighter, easier to aim. Ryobi has an adjustable handle, allowing user
    to select the angle that works for them. I can just let the blower hang down off
    the end of my arm. Nice feature, I really wish the Ego had it.

    Even though the Ego is the heaviest, I may try adding a pound or two the handle
    end to see if I can bring the nozzle up a bit.

    - Battery and charger size
    * Ego, massive, Ridgid, just right, Ryobi, OK
    Finding room near a receptacle for the Ego charger will take some effort. I >> >see another shelf in my future.
    We have three chargers, still have not figured a good place for them
    maybe hanging on the wall (no wall space in the garage). The batteries
    come in 2.0, 2.5, 5.0, 7.5 and 10 amp hour varieties. Weight increases
    with more capacity I have two of 2.5 and one 5.0 the 5 is to heavy for
    my taste on the blower. One problem with the EGO I have noted if you
    have loose shirt or pants the intake can get covered.

    Yeah, I have the 5. I think my '69 VW Bug was smaller and lighter.

    Is your intake on the back? I don't see how pants could cover the intake
    on mine. Maybe clown pants. ;-)

    The honeycomb section is the intake.

    https://www.leafblowerguide.com/wp-content/uploads/EGO-LB6504-4.jpg

    Almost clown pants, rather loose sweat pants, more often the shirt
    tail gets sucked over but the pitch changes. My blower is the same
    layout but 530 CFM model.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Oct 7 21:08:54 2021
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 09:35:12 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/6/2021 4:49 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 12:05:05 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/6/2021 10:57 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:08:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>
    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
    news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8nZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile >>>>>>> companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little >>>>>> logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go >>>>>> through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs? >>>>>>
    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a >>>>> manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.

    I don't think that's true. Setting up a new manufacturing line isn't
    cheap. Neither is engineering.



    If you are manufacturing the part continuously, you don't want some one
    else doing it.

    If it is something that you don not normally manufacture, then yes buy
    it from some one else.

    Again, not necessarily. "Continuously" isn't forever. For the next
    model year (maybe two) they will change the wheels. There are a *lot*
    of tier-1 and tier-2 companies making a good living making parts the
    manufacturer doesn't want to make.

    To me continuously means always.

    Then there is no continuously. We're not here forever. ;-)

    To me, "continuously" means no breaks (in production). Automobiles
    don't even have that but it's not really relevant.

    OK, soooo we are talking about automobile manufacturers and their
    changing suppliers. But wheels are normally a contentious item to >manufacture, wheels are mostly interchangeable within a particular
    product line if the model does not change. I do not know of any
    automobile manufacture that sublets body panels. I agree with you on
    some elements but you also have to keep in consideration that many of
    the outside manufacturers are owned by the parent company. So in
    essence the owner is not buying from the competition and still calls the >shots on the specs of the part.

    But wheels aren't just round anymore. There was an option for
    something like ten different wheels for the F150 I recently ordered.
    Most went with other options but there were still ten rather different
    wheels offered. I imagine there were several more variations for the
    different levels of F150 (XL/XLT/Lariat/Tremor/King Ranch/Platinum/Raptor/Limited). I didn't want to spend $75K (base
    price) on a truck so didn't look at the wheels of the ridiculous
    models (the XLT was expensive enough).

    I'm positive they outsource most, if not all, of these wheels. They
    change every model year, too. Let someone else make low-margin stuff.
    If the competition has something usable, at least there is no
    investment.

    Not only does production cost real money but engineering and approval
    isn't peanuts either. If that cost can be shared, or borne by someone
    else at a lower overhead, perhaps, it doesn't make sense to make it
    yourself. If that is a competitor, oh well.

    The costs are real for the main company and its competition. Typically
    5 wheels go onto every vehicle so it is not a question of if they will
    be needed. ;~)

    No, only four wheels. ;-) Believe it or not, my wife's Mustang
    didn't even come with a bicycle tire. It came with a can of puncture
    repair and a 12V compressor.

    But I understand where you are going.
    I don't believe that either of us are talking about a method being
    exactly one way or another. Some times it is, sometimes it is not.
    Air bags would be a good example of outsourcing. Body parts would not
    be. I doubt that wheels would be but possibly, but certainly not >interchangeable between foreign or domestic. While the design may be
    similar the fit would not.

    The difference between foreign and domestic is getting pretty blurry.
    Chrysler was Fiat, Daimler, FCA, now Stellantis. How many models do
    GM and Ford build in Europe. Some of those parts make their way to
    the US. How many '70s cars had both SAE and metric fasteners?

    BTW, the bandsaw I bought seems to have a mix, as well. Some even
    seemed to be metric heads with SAE threads, and verse visa. Maybe the
    heads were that sloppy (some Allen). It was really odd putting the
    thing together.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 7 21:25:02 2021
    On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 16:51:36 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 10/7/2021 10:48 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:

    Again, not necessarily. "Continuously" isn't forever. For the next >>>>> model year (maybe two) they will change the wheels. There are a *lot* >>>>> of tier-1 and tier-2 companies making a good living making parts the >>>>> manufacturer doesn't want to make.

    To me continuously means always.

    https://www.quora.com/How-much-of-a-cars-manufacturing-is-outsourced


    Sooo I was the parts manager for a large Oldsmobile dealer and later the >>Service sales manager for the same.
    I later was the GM for an AC/Delco 3M distributor.


    Indeed. However this is 2021 and things have changed at
    all the large manufacturers, not just automotive..

    Take the Boeing 787, for example; over 70% of the plane was outsourced.

    https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/052815/who-are-teslas-tsla-main-suppliers.asp

    Many outsource the tooling costs (and some design costs) to the
    contract manufacturer in exchange for a per-unit-cost contract
    (and often have the weight to drive the unit cost down, sometimes
    to or below the actual production cost, sadly).

    We're in that squeeze. I work for a tier-1 electronics supplier (for
    another five weeks). The margins have been driven to nothing and the
    risk pushed from the OEM to the Tier-1. The contracts typically have
    a fixed unit price, with no guarantee of volume or product lifetime.
    The engineering costs are usually, but not always, paid up-front.
    Covid has put a crimp in the volumes. It could have been worse.
    Production went to zero for a couple of months but then went right
    back, and higher. Then the chip shortage...

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to Leon on Thu Oct 7 21:51:36 2021
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 12:07:31 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/7/2021 11:51 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 10/7/2021 10:48 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:

    Again, not necessarily. "Continuously" isn't forever. For the next >>>>>> model year (maybe two) they will change the wheels. There are a *lot* >>>>>> of tier-1 and tier-2 companies making a good living making parts the >>>>>> manufacturer doesn't want to make.

    To me continuously means always.

    https://www.quora.com/How-much-of-a-cars-manufacturing-is-outsourced


    Sooo I was the parts manager for a large Oldsmobile dealer and later the >>> Service sales manager for the same.
    I later was the GM for an AC/Delco 3M distributor.


    Indeed. However this is 2021 and things have changed at
    all the large manufacturers, not just automotive..

    Well I think think things have changed but not to the degree that many
    think. Outsourcing has always been a big part of automobile
    manufacturer. I would say that anything that weighs less than 20 lbs
    was probably outsourced or manufactured by a company owned by the parent >company. Way back when, frames, bodies, most engines and transmissions
    were manufactured by the parent company. Everything else by a supplier
    and or again a division.

    Can you say "AMC"?

    And getting off subject even further, LOL. Have you seen the video of
    the Tesla injection mold machine for making the chassis? It is a huge >machine manufactured in Italy.




    Take the Boeing 787, for example; over 70% of the plane was outsourced.

    Yes and that is not recent either.

    https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/052815/who-are-teslas-tsla-main-suppliers.asp

    Many outsource the tooling costs (and some design costs) to the
    contract manufacturer in exchange for a per-unit-cost contract
    (and often have the weight to drive the unit cost down, sometimes
    to or below the actual production cost, sadly).


    There is that and China comes into play, unfortunately.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 7 22:15:44 2021

    Can you say "AMC"?


    If you mean the defunct car maker - there's a difference
    between components being cobbled together
    and being outsourced. ..
    John T.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.ca on Fri Oct 8 12:37:09 2021
    On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 22:15:44 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:



    Can you say "AMC"?


    If you mean the defunct car maker - there's a difference
    between components being cobbled together
    and being outsourced. ..

    I guess that includes almost all of Chrysler products.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Fri Oct 8 11:57:58 2021
    On 10/7/2021 8:08 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 09:35:12 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/6/2021 4:49 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 12:05:05 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

    On 10/6/2021 10:57 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 09:08:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>
    On 10/6/2021 3:21 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
    news:A-udnYDg4vaV4sv8nZ2dnUU7-QnNnZ2d@giganews.com:

    *snip*

    It is surprising how many parts are outsourced that the automobile >>>>>>>> companies don't build.
    *snip*

    Noticed a Ford had the same set of wheels as our Toyota, just the little
    logo in the middle had been replaced.

    One fellow I was talking to years ago put it this way:
    If someone makes a part that does exactly what we need, why should we go
    through all the trouble of making our own when we can just buy theirs? >>>>>>>
    Puckdropper


    Well normally it is less expensive to manufacture a part, if you are a >>>>>> manufacturer, than to buy from some one else.

    I don't think that's true. Setting up a new manufacturing line isn't >>>>> cheap. Neither is engineering.



    If you are manufacturing the part continuously, you don't want some one >>>> else doing it.

    If it is something that you don not normally manufacture, then yes buy >>>> it from some one else.

    Again, not necessarily. "Continuously" isn't forever. For the next
    model year (maybe two) they will change the wheels. There are a *lot*
    of tier-1 and tier-2 companies making a good living making parts the
    manufacturer doesn't want to make.

    To me continuously means always.

    Then there is no continuously. We're not here forever. ;-)

    To me, "continuously" means no breaks (in production). Automobiles
    don't even have that but it's not really relevant.

    OK, soooo we are talking about automobile manufacturers and their
    changing suppliers. But wheels are normally a contentious item to
    manufacture, wheels are mostly interchangeable within a particular
    product line if the model does not change. I do not know of any
    automobile manufacture that sublets body panels. I agree with you on
    some elements but you also have to keep in consideration that many of
    the outside manufacturers are owned by the parent company. So in
    essence the owner is not buying from the competition and still calls the
    shots on the specs of the part.

    But wheels aren't just round anymore. There was an option for
    something like ten different wheels for the F150 I recently ordered.
    Most went with other options but there were still ten rather different
    wheels offered. I imagine there were several more variations for the different levels of F150 (XL/XLT/Lariat/Tremor/King Ranch/Platinum/Raptor/Limited). I didn't want to spend $75K (base
    price) on a truck so didn't look at the wheels of the ridiculous
    models (the XLT was expensive enough).

    I'm positive they outsource most, if not all, of these wheels. They
    change every model year, too. Let someone else make low-margin stuff.
    If the competition has something usable, at least there is no
    investment.

    Not only does production cost real money but engineering and approval
    isn't peanuts either. If that cost can be shared, or borne by someone
    else at a lower overhead, perhaps, it doesn't make sense to make it
    yourself. If that is a competitor, oh well.

    The costs are real for the main company and its competition. Typically
    5 wheels go onto every vehicle so it is not a question of if they will
    be needed. ;~)

    No, only four wheels. ;-) Believe it or not, my wife's Mustang
    didn't even come with a bicycle tire. It came with a can of puncture
    repair and a 12V compressor.

    I know what you mean there. But I think the spares are coming back. My
    wife and I were looking at vehicles in 2016-2017 for her.
    The Cadillac SUV under the Escalade had a repair kit and the electric pump.
    I thought what Cadillac customer is going to repair their own tire?

    Anyway we have noticed in most recent years, well in 2019, that many had
    gone back to putting some type of inflated spare back in the vehicles.




    But I understand where you are going.
    I don't believe that either of us are talking about a method being
    exactly one way or another. Some times it is, sometimes it is not.
    Air bags would be a good example of outsourcing. Body parts would not
    be. I doubt that wheels would be but possibly, but certainly not
    interchangeable between foreign or domestic. While the design may be
    similar the fit would not.

    The difference between foreign and domestic is getting pretty blurry. Chrysler was Fiat, Daimler, FCA, now Stellantis. How many models do
    GM and Ford build in Europe. Some of those parts make their way to
    the US. How many '70s cars had both SAE and metric fasteners?

    One of the Buicks is built in China and brought over here.


    BTW, the bandsaw I bought seems to have a mix, as well. Some even
    seemed to be metric heads with SAE threads, and verse visa. Maybe the
    heads were that sloppy (some Allen). It was really odd putting the
    thing together.


    I have noticed that. Foreign built equipment for an American brand will typically be metric for the main unit but if parts are added after being imported, they are often Imperial.

    IIRC the Laguna BS has the Baldor motor which if memory serves me needed Imperial fasteners for that and for the Laguna add on ceramic guides.

    And the car companies have been mixing imperial and metric on vehicles
    since the mid 70's.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 9 13:34:47 2021
    On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:27:30 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:32:57 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> > > >
    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >> > > >you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >> > > >match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I went to Lowes and dropped the big bucks on the 56V Ego blower rated at 180mph. I haven't
    compared it to my 180mph corded blower yet since it's been raining for days.

    However, the shopping experience was certainly more friendly.

    As I noted above, the Ryobi at HD was locked in a cage and I was escorted to the cashier by
    the person who had the combo to open the "safe".

    At Lowes, they don't lock up their blowers, but they do put a motion sensing puck on it. Taking
    it off the shelf, putting it on a cart, bouncing the lumber cart around the store causes it to emit
    a series of beeps. Slightly annoying, but certainly better than the perp walk to the cashier station
    at HD. And I can continue shopping even after I've selected the blower without having to retrieve
    it later. And I didn't have to wait around for the keeper of the combo to make her way to the garden
    center.

    Granted, I am comparing an HD and Lowes that are located in very different neighborhoods, if you
    catch my drift. The next time I'm in a HD in a comparable neighborhood to the Lowes I shopped at,
    I'll have to see if the lock down policy is HD wide or store specific.

    I hope to compare the Ego 56V to my Ridgid corded blower in the next day or two. I will say that the
    battery and therefore the charger for the 56V are *massive* compared to my 18V Ridgid and 24V B&D
    sets. The Ego charger itself has a frigging cooling fan in it! Whirrrrrrr until the battery is fully charged.

    https://i.imgur.com/wwbVsK8.jpg

    I will be keeping the 56V Ego LB6504 blower. Here's the comparison to my Ridgid
    corded blower (detachable wet/dry vac motor) and the Ryobi 40V RY40480.

    Pros:
    - More than enough power for my needs, comparable to my Ridgid corded blower
    * Ego, yes. Rigid, yes. Ryobi, no

    - Constant-on variable speed control for a nice steady blower speed, which
    can then be increased by the thumb trigger or maxed out with the Turbo button
    * Ego, yes, Rigid, no (on/off switch only), Ryobi, no (trigger must be used at all times)

    - 3 output nozzles: large tube, small cone and flare nozzle
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no (Flare only, Ryobi, no (large only)

    Cons:
    - Loud at full speed. High pitch suggests hearing protection
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes

    - Heavier, compared to Ridgid
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes, but not as much as the Ego

    - Angle of attack
    * Ego is long, I am short, causing nozzle to be close to the ground and pointed
    lower than I like. I have to twist my wrist upward to aim it where I want. Ridgid
    is shorter and lighter, easier to aim. Ryobi has an adjustable handle, allowing user
    to select the angle that works for them. I can just let the blower hang down off
    the end of my arm. Nice feature, I really wish the Ego had it.

    Even though the Ego is the heaviest, I may try adding a pound or two the handle
    end to see if I can bring the nozzle up a bit.

    - Battery and charger size
    * Ego, massive, Ridgid, just right, Ryobi, OK
    Finding room near a receptacle for the Ego charger will take some effort. I >see another shelf in my future.
    We have three chargers, still have not figured a good place for them
    maybe hanging on the wall (no wall space in the garage). The batteries
    come in 2.0, 2.5, 5.0, 7.5 and 10 amp hour varieties. Weight increases
    with more capacity I have two of 2.5 and one 5.0 the 5 is to heavy for
    my taste on the blower. One problem with the EGO I have noted if you
    have loose shirt or pants the intake can get covered.

    Question for you:

    Is my blower defective or is this an annoying "feature" of the Ego blowers?

    I spent the morning cleaning the backyard so SWMBO could start her fall garden cleanup. With multiple areas of different shapes and size, there a lot of starting
    and stopping, the use of different speeds, etc. Really nice to go cordless after all
    these years. I certainly like the ability to vary the speed from next to nothing to
    full blast with the variable speed trigger. However...

    The trigger acts like there are dead spots, but they are not consistently in the same
    place. e.g. I might be using a very soft blow around a delicate plant and then try to
    increase the speed with the trigger and the blower stops blowing for half-second or
    so and then starts again. It does that a lot but it's not like it's doing it at the same spot
    on the trigger every time. There doesn't seem to be any way to reproduce the issue
    via a quick squeeze or a slow squeeze or anything like that. It just does it in what
    appears to be a random manner.

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Sat Oct 9 16:15:48 2021
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:34:47 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:27:30 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:32:57 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> >> >> > > wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >> >> > > >you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >> >> > > >match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I went to Lowes and dropped the big bucks on the 56V Ego blower rated at 180mph. I haven't
    compared it to my 180mph corded blower yet since it's been raining for days.

    However, the shopping experience was certainly more friendly.

    As I noted above, the Ryobi at HD was locked in a cage and I was escorted to the cashier by
    the person who had the combo to open the "safe".

    At Lowes, they don't lock up their blowers, but they do put a motion sensing puck on it. Taking
    it off the shelf, putting it on a cart, bouncing the lumber cart around the store causes it to emit
    a series of beeps. Slightly annoying, but certainly better than the perp walk to the cashier station
    at HD. And I can continue shopping even after I've selected the blower without having to retrieve
    it later. And I didn't have to wait around for the keeper of the combo to make her way to the garden
    center.

    Granted, I am comparing an HD and Lowes that are located in very different neighborhoods, if you
    catch my drift. The next time I'm in a HD in a comparable neighborhood to the Lowes I shopped at,
    I'll have to see if the lock down policy is HD wide or store specific.

    I hope to compare the Ego 56V to my Ridgid corded blower in the next day or two. I will say that the
    battery and therefore the charger for the 56V are *massive* compared to my 18V Ridgid and 24V B&D
    sets. The Ego charger itself has a frigging cooling fan in it! Whirrrrrrr until the battery is fully charged.

    https://i.imgur.com/wwbVsK8.jpg

    I will be keeping the 56V Ego LB6504 blower. Here's the comparison to my Ridgid
    corded blower (detachable wet/dry vac motor) and the Ryobi 40V RY40480.

    Pros:
    - More than enough power for my needs, comparable to my Ridgid corded blower
    * Ego, yes. Rigid, yes. Ryobi, no

    - Constant-on variable speed control for a nice steady blower speed, which >> >can then be increased by the thumb trigger or maxed out with the Turbo button
    * Ego, yes, Rigid, no (on/off switch only), Ryobi, no (trigger must be used at all times)

    - 3 output nozzles: large tube, small cone and flare nozzle
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no (Flare only, Ryobi, no (large only)

    Cons:
    - Loud at full speed. High pitch suggests hearing protection
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes

    - Heavier, compared to Ridgid
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes, but not as much as the Ego

    - Angle of attack
    * Ego is long, I am short, causing nozzle to be close to the ground and pointed
    lower than I like. I have to twist my wrist upward to aim it where I want. Ridgid
    is shorter and lighter, easier to aim. Ryobi has an adjustable handle, allowing user
    to select the angle that works for them. I can just let the blower hang down off
    the end of my arm. Nice feature, I really wish the Ego had it.

    Even though the Ego is the heaviest, I may try adding a pound or two the handle
    end to see if I can bring the nozzle up a bit.

    - Battery and charger size
    * Ego, massive, Ridgid, just right, Ryobi, OK
    Finding room near a receptacle for the Ego charger will take some effort. I >> >see another shelf in my future.
    We have three chargers, still have not figured a good place for them
    maybe hanging on the wall (no wall space in the garage). The batteries
    come in 2.0, 2.5, 5.0, 7.5 and 10 amp hour varieties. Weight increases
    with more capacity I have two of 2.5 and one 5.0 the 5 is to heavy for
    my taste on the blower. One problem with the EGO I have noted if you
    have loose shirt or pants the intake can get covered.

    Question for you:

    Is my blower defective or is this an annoying "feature" of the Ego blowers?

    I spent the morning cleaning the backyard so SWMBO could start her fall garden >cleanup. With multiple areas of different shapes and size, there a lot of starting
    and stopping, the use of different speeds, etc. Really nice to go cordless after all
    these years. I certainly like the ability to vary the speed from next to nothing to
    full blast with the variable speed trigger. However...

    The trigger acts like there are dead spots, but they are not consistently in the same
    place. e.g. I might be using a very soft blow around a delicate plant and then try to
    increase the speed with the trigger and the blower stops blowing for half-second or
    so and then starts again. It does that a lot but it's not like it's doing it at the same spot
    on the trigger every time. There doesn't seem to be any way to reproduce the issue
    via a quick squeeze or a slow squeeze or anything like that. It just does it in what
    appears to be a random manner.

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?

    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 9 16:11:54 2021
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:34:47 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:27:30 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:32:57 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote: >> >> > On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> >> > > On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> >> >> > > wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing
    you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not
    match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199 >> >> >
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I went to Lowes and dropped the big bucks on the 56V Ego blower rated at 180mph. I haven't
    compared it to my 180mph corded blower yet since it's been raining for days.

    However, the shopping experience was certainly more friendly.

    As I noted above, the Ryobi at HD was locked in a cage and I was escorted to the cashier by
    the person who had the combo to open the "safe".

    At Lowes, they don't lock up their blowers, but they do put a motion sensing puck on it. Taking
    it off the shelf, putting it on a cart, bouncing the lumber cart around the store causes it to emit
    a series of beeps. Slightly annoying, but certainly better than the perp walk to the cashier station
    at HD. And I can continue shopping even after I've selected the blower without having to retrieve
    it later. And I didn't have to wait around for the keeper of the combo to make her way to the garden
    center.

    Granted, I am comparing an HD and Lowes that are located in very different neighborhoods, if you
    catch my drift. The next time I'm in a HD in a comparable neighborhood to the Lowes I shopped at,
    I'll have to see if the lock down policy is HD wide or store specific. >> >>
    I hope to compare the Ego 56V to my Ridgid corded blower in the next day or two. I will say that the
    battery and therefore the charger for the 56V are *massive* compared to my 18V Ridgid and 24V B&D
    sets. The Ego charger itself has a frigging cooling fan in it! Whirrrrrrr until the battery is fully charged.

    https://i.imgur.com/wwbVsK8.jpg

    I will be keeping the 56V Ego LB6504 blower. Here's the comparison to my Ridgid
    corded blower (detachable wet/dry vac motor) and the Ryobi 40V RY40480. >> >
    Pros:
    - More than enough power for my needs, comparable to my Ridgid corded blower
    * Ego, yes. Rigid, yes. Ryobi, no

    - Constant-on variable speed control for a nice steady blower speed, which
    can then be increased by the thumb trigger or maxed out with the Turbo button
    * Ego, yes, Rigid, no (on/off switch only), Ryobi, no (trigger must be used at all times)

    - 3 output nozzles: large tube, small cone and flare nozzle
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no (Flare only, Ryobi, no (large only)

    Cons:
    - Loud at full speed. High pitch suggests hearing protection
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes

    - Heavier, compared to Ridgid
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes, but not as much as the Ego

    - Angle of attack
    * Ego is long, I am short, causing nozzle to be close to the ground and pointed
    lower than I like. I have to twist my wrist upward to aim it where I want. Ridgid
    is shorter and lighter, easier to aim. Ryobi has an adjustable handle, allowing user
    to select the angle that works for them. I can just let the blower hang down off
    the end of my arm. Nice feature, I really wish the Ego had it.

    Even though the Ego is the heaviest, I may try adding a pound or two the handle
    end to see if I can bring the nozzle up a bit.

    - Battery and charger size
    * Ego, massive, Ridgid, just right, Ryobi, OK
    Finding room near a receptacle for the Ego charger will take some effort. I
    see another shelf in my future.
    We have three chargers, still have not figured a good place for them
    maybe hanging on the wall (no wall space in the garage). The batteries
    come in 2.0, 2.5, 5.0, 7.5 and 10 amp hour varieties. Weight increases
    with more capacity I have two of 2.5 and one 5.0 the 5 is to heavy for
    my taste on the blower. One problem with the EGO I have noted if you
    have loose shirt or pants the intake can get covered.

    Question for you:

    Is my blower defective or is this an annoying "feature" of the Ego blowers?

    I spent the morning cleaning the backyard so SWMBO could start her fall garden
    cleanup. With multiple areas of different shapes and size, there a lot of starting
    and stopping, the use of different speeds, etc. Really nice to go cordless after all
    these years. I certainly like the ability to vary the speed from next to nothing to
    full blast with the variable speed trigger. However...

    The trigger acts like there are dead spots, but they are not consistently in the same
    place. e.g. I might be using a very soft blow around a delicate plant and then try to
    increase the speed with the trigger and the blower stops blowing for half-second or
    so and then starts again. It does that a lot but it's not like it's doing it at the same spot
    on the trigger every time. There doesn't seem to be any way to reproduce the issue
    via a quick squeeze or a slow squeeze or anything like that. It just does it in what
    appears to be a random manner.

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 9 17:12:19 2021
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-) >> >
    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the
    store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Sat Oct 9 18:22:04 2021
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.

    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the
    store.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 9 17:52:35 2021
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the
    store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model.
    Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Sat Oct 9 19:43:28 2021
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-) >> >> >
    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the
    store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.

    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model.
    Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 10 09:59:33 2021
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-) >>>>>>>
    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery >>>>>> needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the
    store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model.
    Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.


    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell
    you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss
    me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to
    return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are
    going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 10 09:55:00 2021
    On 10/9/2021 3:34 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:27:30 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:32:57 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>
    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull >>>>>>>>> through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it >>>>>>>>> up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >>>>>>> you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >>>>>>> match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I went to Lowes and dropped the big bucks on the 56V Ego blower rated at 180mph. I haven't
    compared it to my 180mph corded blower yet since it's been raining for days.

    However, the shopping experience was certainly more friendly.

    As I noted above, the Ryobi at HD was locked in a cage and I was escorted to the cashier by
    the person who had the combo to open the "safe".

    At Lowes, they don't lock up their blowers, but they do put a motion sensing puck on it. Taking
    it off the shelf, putting it on a cart, bouncing the lumber cart around the store causes it to emit
    a series of beeps. Slightly annoying, but certainly better than the perp walk to the cashier station
    at HD. And I can continue shopping even after I've selected the blower without having to retrieve
    it later. And I didn't have to wait around for the keeper of the combo to make her way to the garden
    center.

    Granted, I am comparing an HD and Lowes that are located in very different neighborhoods, if you
    catch my drift. The next time I'm in a HD in a comparable neighborhood to the Lowes I shopped at,
    I'll have to see if the lock down policy is HD wide or store specific. >>>>
    I hope to compare the Ego 56V to my Ridgid corded blower in the next day or two. I will say that the
    battery and therefore the charger for the 56V are *massive* compared to my 18V Ridgid and 24V B&D
    sets. The Ego charger itself has a frigging cooling fan in it! Whirrrrrrr until the battery is fully charged.

    https://i.imgur.com/wwbVsK8.jpg

    I will be keeping the 56V Ego LB6504 blower. Here's the comparison to my Ridgid
    corded blower (detachable wet/dry vac motor) and the Ryobi 40V RY40480.

    Pros:
    - More than enough power for my needs, comparable to my Ridgid corded blower
    * Ego, yes. Rigid, yes. Ryobi, no

    - Constant-on variable speed control for a nice steady blower speed, which >>> can then be increased by the thumb trigger or maxed out with the Turbo button
    * Ego, yes, Rigid, no (on/off switch only), Ryobi, no (trigger must be used at all times)

    - 3 output nozzles: large tube, small cone and flare nozzle
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no (Flare only, Ryobi, no (large only)

    Cons:
    - Loud at full speed. High pitch suggests hearing protection
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes

    - Heavier, compared to Ridgid
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes, but not as much as the Ego

    - Angle of attack
    * Ego is long, I am short, causing nozzle to be close to the ground and pointed
    lower than I like. I have to twist my wrist upward to aim it where I want. Ridgid
    is shorter and lighter, easier to aim. Ryobi has an adjustable handle, allowing user
    to select the angle that works for them. I can just let the blower hang down off
    the end of my arm. Nice feature, I really wish the Ego had it.

    Even though the Ego is the heaviest, I may try adding a pound or two the handle
    end to see if I can bring the nozzle up a bit.

    - Battery and charger size
    * Ego, massive, Ridgid, just right, Ryobi, OK
    Finding room near a receptacle for the Ego charger will take some effort. I >>> see another shelf in my future.
    We have three chargers, still have not figured a good place for them
    maybe hanging on the wall (no wall space in the garage). The batteries
    come in 2.0, 2.5, 5.0, 7.5 and 10 amp hour varieties. Weight increases
    with more capacity I have two of 2.5 and one 5.0 the 5 is to heavy for
    my taste on the blower. One problem with the EGO I have noted if you
    have loose shirt or pants the intake can get covered.

    Question for you:

    Is my blower defective or is this an annoying "feature" of the Ego blowers?

    I spent the morning cleaning the backyard so SWMBO could start her fall garden
    cleanup. With multiple areas of different shapes and size, there a lot of starting
    and stopping, the use of different speeds, etc. Really nice to go cordless after all
    these years. I certainly like the ability to vary the speed from next to nothing to
    full blast with the variable speed trigger. However...

    The trigger acts like there are dead spots, but they are not consistently in the same
    place. e.g. I might be using a very soft blow around a delicate plant and then try to
    increase the speed with the trigger and the blower stops blowing for half-second or
    so and then starts again. It does that a lot but it's not like it's doing it at the same spot
    on the trigger every time. There doesn't seem to be any way to reproduce the issue
    via a quick squeeze or a slow squeeze or anything like that. It just does it in what
    appears to be a random manner.

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?


    It sounds like a bad trigger/switch.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Sun Oct 10 08:26:05 2021
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:55:07 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 3:34 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:27:30 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:32:57 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>
    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >>>>>>> you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >>>>>>> match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199 >>>>>
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I went to Lowes and dropped the big bucks on the 56V Ego blower rated at 180mph. I haven't
    compared it to my 180mph corded blower yet since it's been raining for days.

    However, the shopping experience was certainly more friendly.

    As I noted above, the Ryobi at HD was locked in a cage and I was escorted to the cashier by
    the person who had the combo to open the "safe".

    At Lowes, they don't lock up their blowers, but they do put a motion sensing puck on it. Taking
    it off the shelf, putting it on a cart, bouncing the lumber cart around the store causes it to emit
    a series of beeps. Slightly annoying, but certainly better than the perp walk to the cashier station
    at HD. And I can continue shopping even after I've selected the blower without having to retrieve
    it later. And I didn't have to wait around for the keeper of the combo to make her way to the garden
    center.

    Granted, I am comparing an HD and Lowes that are located in very different neighborhoods, if you
    catch my drift. The next time I'm in a HD in a comparable neighborhood to the Lowes I shopped at,
    I'll have to see if the lock down policy is HD wide or store specific. >>>>
    I hope to compare the Ego 56V to my Ridgid corded blower in the next day or two. I will say that the
    battery and therefore the charger for the 56V are *massive* compared to my 18V Ridgid and 24V B&D
    sets. The Ego charger itself has a frigging cooling fan in it! Whirrrrrrr until the battery is fully charged.

    https://i.imgur.com/wwbVsK8.jpg

    I will be keeping the 56V Ego LB6504 blower. Here's the comparison to my Ridgid
    corded blower (detachable wet/dry vac motor) and the Ryobi 40V RY40480. >>>
    Pros:
    - More than enough power for my needs, comparable to my Ridgid corded blower
    * Ego, yes. Rigid, yes. Ryobi, no

    - Constant-on variable speed control for a nice steady blower speed, which
    can then be increased by the thumb trigger or maxed out with the Turbo button
    * Ego, yes, Rigid, no (on/off switch only), Ryobi, no (trigger must be used at all times)

    - 3 output nozzles: large tube, small cone and flare nozzle
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no (Flare only, Ryobi, no (large only)

    Cons:
    - Loud at full speed. High pitch suggests hearing protection
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes

    - Heavier, compared to Ridgid
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes, but not as much as the Ego

    - Angle of attack
    * Ego is long, I am short, causing nozzle to be close to the ground and pointed
    lower than I like. I have to twist my wrist upward to aim it where I want. Ridgid
    is shorter and lighter, easier to aim. Ryobi has an adjustable handle, allowing user
    to select the angle that works for them. I can just let the blower hang down off
    the end of my arm. Nice feature, I really wish the Ego had it.

    Even though the Ego is the heaviest, I may try adding a pound or two the handle
    end to see if I can bring the nozzle up a bit.

    - Battery and charger size
    * Ego, massive, Ridgid, just right, Ryobi, OK
    Finding room near a receptacle for the Ego charger will take some effort. I
    see another shelf in my future.
    We have three chargers, still have not figured a good place for them
    maybe hanging on the wall (no wall space in the garage). The batteries
    come in 2.0, 2.5, 5.0, 7.5 and 10 amp hour varieties. Weight increases
    with more capacity I have two of 2.5 and one 5.0 the 5 is to heavy for
    my taste on the blower. One problem with the EGO I have noted if you
    have loose shirt or pants the intake can get covered.

    Question for you:

    Is my blower defective or is this an annoying "feature" of the Ego blowers?

    I spent the morning cleaning the backyard so SWMBO could start her fall garden
    cleanup. With multiple areas of different shapes and size, there a lot of starting
    and stopping, the use of different speeds, etc. Really nice to go cordless after all
    these years. I certainly like the ability to vary the speed from next to nothing to
    full blast with the variable speed trigger. However...

    The trigger acts like there are dead spots, but they are not consistently in the same
    place. e.g. I might be using a very soft blow around a delicate plant and then try to
    increase the speed with the trigger and the blower stops blowing for half-second or
    so and then starts again. It does that a lot but it's not like it's doing it at the same spot
    on the trigger every time. There doesn't seem to be any way to reproduce the issue
    via a quick squeeze or a slow squeeze or anything like that. It just does it in what
    appears to be a random manner.

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?

    It sounds like a bad trigger/switch.

    I'm leaning that way, but this blower does have "electronics" built into it.

    For example, one of the features of the Ego LB6504 is a "Speed/Lock-On Dial" which is separate from the trigger. You can turn it on and set a constant speed,
    no trigger needed. However, you can increase the speed with by using the trigger
    or the Turbo button.

    OK, so knowing that, here is what it says in the manual:

    "NOTICE: If the speed/lock-on dial is not turned back to the off position before the
    battery is removed, the blower will not start when a fully charged battery is installed.
    This is a protection feature to help prevent accidental startup. Depress the air-speed
    trigger to deactivate the protection and start the blower."

    That tells me that there is circuitry involved which allows the trigger to talk to the
    Lock-On Dial. If it was simply a mechanical latch that sets the Lock-On Dial, I would
    think that the blower would start as soon as the battery was installed.

    In addition, on the website that Markem618 mentioned, there are the following
    2 items. Note - These do not apply to my specific issue, they are just examples that lead me to believe that there is circuitry involved.

    Symptom:
    Blower turns off when pressing turbo button: Electrical failure
    Suggestion:
    Attempt to run the blower at a lower speed for one minute and engage boost again.

    Symptom:
    Blower doesn't work: Electronic failure
    Suggestion:
    Make sure the your bare hand is in contact with the steel strip in the handle when
    operating the blower, especially when using it in snowy or dusty conditions.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Sun Oct 10 08:31:52 2021
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery >>>>>> needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the
    store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model.
    Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell
    you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss
    me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to
    return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are
    going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.

    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.

    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Sun Oct 10 20:47:31 2021
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:31:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery >> >>>>>> needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the
    store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model.
    Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as >> > my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell
    you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss
    me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to
    return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are
    going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.

    Return it as defective and get another. If the new one works as
    expected, everything is good. If it doesn't fix the problem and you
    still want the thing, it's just an annoying design flaw.

    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.


    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)

    I wish my track saw had imperial scales but it's an oldie. The newer
    ones fixed the "problem". You get your choice (though I've never seen
    a new metric one. OK, this qualifies as not being perfect but the
    depth adjustment isn't something I usually rely on. I wouldn't be
    nearly as forgiving if the trigger wasn't consistent.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Sun Oct 10 19:08:27 2021
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:47:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:31:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> >>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >> >>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >> >>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >> >> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell
    you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss
    me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to
    return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are
    going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.
    Return it as defective and get another. If the new one works as
    expected, everything is good. If it doesn't fix the problem and you
    still want the thing, it's just an annoying design flaw.

    That’s basically my plan, but it’s worth the call to Ego. If it is a “feature”
    then I don’t have to do the exchange.


    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.


    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)
    I wish my track saw had imperial scales but it's an oldie. The newer
    ones fixed the "problem". You get your choice (though I've never seen
    a new metric one. OK, this qualifies as not being perfect but the
    depth adjustment isn't something I usually rely on. I wouldn't be
    nearly as forgiving if the trigger wasn't consistent.

    If this was a track saw with a flakey trigger “by design”, it would be a tougher decision. This is a blower. I’ll live with it if I have to.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 10 17:55:13 2021
    On 10/10/2021 10:31 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery >>>>>>>> needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >>>>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model.
    Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as >>> my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell
    you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss
    me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to
    return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are
    going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.

    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.

    Absolutely no tool or brand is perfect.

    BUT I am not complaining or sharing concern about a feature or issue
    that I find irritating.

    I thought you were looking for a solution or advice about this
    particular tool.




    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)


    Irrelevant, I'm not the one complaining about something I just bought.

    I'm in some what of an intolerant mood. I have had it with inferior workmanship and service.
    I am personally dealing with Brinks security. They bought the company
    that was monitoring my home alarm and decided that I needed to upgrade
    my equipment. No cost to me!
    Well they would have lost my business as my equipment will not longer be
    able to communicate to them through 3G cellular.

    They had no choice if they wanted to keep me as a customer.

    New alarm system wend in 30 days ago. I have had 7 false alarms since
    that day and they have been out 2 times since to remedy the wireless
    sensor issue. And they have no showed 2 more appointments to remedy the problem and did not call to let me know that they were not coming.
    Calls to them to set up appoints take from 60~90 minutes.

    And now my Roomba robot vac. The cool IT kids decided it would be neat
    to change the firmware in my robot so that the vacuum and brushes turn
    off between rooms. This is problematic as now it drags debris from yet
    to be cleaned areas to previously cleaned rooms.

    This feature is called Quiet Drive. So some one thinks it will makes a
    big improvement to noise to turn the vac and sweepers off 1% of the time
    it is running.

    Sheeh!

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 10 17:41:41 2021
    On 10/10/2021 10:26 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:55:07 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 3:34 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:27:30 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 10:32:57 AM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 11:17:12 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 7:18:02 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 18:04:44 -0500, Markem618 <mark...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 28, 2021 at 5:56:26 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>
    This is the EGO I have

    https://www.lowes.com/pd/EGO-Power-Plus-56-Volt-Max-15-in-Straight-Cordless-String-Trimmer-Battery-Included/5000200343

    best thing is how you load new "string" you feed it in the head pull
    through to equal length hit the green button on the head it winds it
    up. Way better than feeding the string onto a spool with taking it off
    the head.

    In my eyes that is worth the cost.

    Nothing against the EGO, but the Ryobi's do that too. This one is interesting because you
    can add other attachments to the power head.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Expand-It-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-with-4-0-Ah-Battery-and-Charger-RY40250/307663070

    I haven't compared any other specs, so I'm not saying that either one is a better deal - yet. ;-)
    However, the 56V EGO may be way more tool than my daughter needs, especially at $250.

    Did not know Ryobi's did that good to know, sounds like a good thing >>>>>>>>> you can add attachments. But I am stuck with EGO as batteries do not >>>>>>>>> match between manufacturers, EGO even has a riding mower two HOUR run time
    but it takes four battery packs.
    Okay fixed it
    So I go to Home Depot to look at the Ryobi Blower/Trimmer kit. $199 >>>>>>>
    https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-40V-Cordless-Battery-Attachment-Capable-String-Trimmer-and-Leaf-Blower-Combo-Kit-2-Tools-w-4-0-Ah-Battery-Charger-RY40940VNM/314600299

    I decide to give it a try and if I like it, I'll bring to my daughter this weekend. Thing is,
    it's all locked up in a cage. I find a guy in an orange vest who has to call someone
    else in an orange vest because he doesn't have the combo.

    A lady shows up, unlocks the cage, looks at my empty cart and says "Do you have
    any other shopping to do?"

    "Yes, I do. Why do you ask?"

    "I can't put this in your cart unless you are checking out. If you are checking out,
    I can walk over with you, otherwise I have to take it over to the check out area and
    you can pick it up when you are ready to pay for it."

    Now, there no sense in getting into a heated discussion about store policies with her,
    she's just doing her job. She looked like she hated even saying that to me. I decide to
    be nice. The box is big and bulky so I really don't want to make her carry it over to the
    check out area at the other end of the store.

    "How about you put it in my cart and we walk over together? I'll pay for it now, take it
    out to my van and come back for the rest of what I need. Sound like a plan?"

    She smiled. I helped her put the big box in my cart and off we strolled to the check out
    area. She handed me off to the person in charge of "guarding" the self check out area.
    I scanned the box, stuck my card in the machine and out to the van I went.

    Jeez...the world we live in today.
    I went to Lowes and dropped the big bucks on the 56V Ego blower rated at 180mph. I haven't
    compared it to my 180mph corded blower yet since it's been raining for days.

    However, the shopping experience was certainly more friendly.

    As I noted above, the Ryobi at HD was locked in a cage and I was escorted to the cashier by
    the person who had the combo to open the "safe".

    At Lowes, they don't lock up their blowers, but they do put a motion sensing puck on it. Taking
    it off the shelf, putting it on a cart, bouncing the lumber cart around the store causes it to emit
    a series of beeps. Slightly annoying, but certainly better than the perp walk to the cashier station
    at HD. And I can continue shopping even after I've selected the blower without having to retrieve
    it later. And I didn't have to wait around for the keeper of the combo to make her way to the garden
    center.

    Granted, I am comparing an HD and Lowes that are located in very different neighborhoods, if you
    catch my drift. The next time I'm in a HD in a comparable neighborhood to the Lowes I shopped at,
    I'll have to see if the lock down policy is HD wide or store specific. >>>>>>
    I hope to compare the Ego 56V to my Ridgid corded blower in the next day or two. I will say that the
    battery and therefore the charger for the 56V are *massive* compared to my 18V Ridgid and 24V B&D
    sets. The Ego charger itself has a frigging cooling fan in it! Whirrrrrrr until the battery is fully charged.

    https://i.imgur.com/wwbVsK8.jpg

    I will be keeping the 56V Ego LB6504 blower. Here's the comparison to my Ridgid
    corded blower (detachable wet/dry vac motor) and the Ryobi 40V RY40480. >>>>>
    Pros:
    - More than enough power for my needs, comparable to my Ridgid corded blower
    * Ego, yes. Rigid, yes. Ryobi, no

    - Constant-on variable speed control for a nice steady blower speed, which
    can then be increased by the thumb trigger or maxed out with the Turbo button
    * Ego, yes, Rigid, no (on/off switch only), Ryobi, no (trigger must be used at all times)

    - 3 output nozzles: large tube, small cone and flare nozzle
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no (Flare only, Ryobi, no (large only)

    Cons:
    - Loud at full speed. High pitch suggests hearing protection
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes

    - Heavier, compared to Ridgid
    * Ego, yes, Ridgid, no, Ryobi, yes, but not as much as the Ego

    - Angle of attack
    * Ego is long, I am short, causing nozzle to be close to the ground and pointed
    lower than I like. I have to twist my wrist upward to aim it where I want. Ridgid
    is shorter and lighter, easier to aim. Ryobi has an adjustable handle, allowing user
    to select the angle that works for them. I can just let the blower hang down off
    the end of my arm. Nice feature, I really wish the Ego had it.

    Even though the Ego is the heaviest, I may try adding a pound or two the handle
    end to see if I can bring the nozzle up a bit.

    - Battery and charger size
    * Ego, massive, Ridgid, just right, Ryobi, OK
    Finding room near a receptacle for the Ego charger will take some effort. I
    see another shelf in my future.
    We have three chargers, still have not figured a good place for them
    maybe hanging on the wall (no wall space in the garage). The batteries >>>> come in 2.0, 2.5, 5.0, 7.5 and 10 amp hour varieties. Weight increases >>>> with more capacity I have two of 2.5 and one 5.0 the 5 is to heavy for >>>> my taste on the blower. One problem with the EGO I have noted if you
    have loose shirt or pants the intake can get covered.

    Question for you:

    Is my blower defective or is this an annoying "feature" of the Ego blowers? >>>
    I spent the morning cleaning the backyard so SWMBO could start her fall garden
    cleanup. With multiple areas of different shapes and size, there a lot of starting
    and stopping, the use of different speeds, etc. Really nice to go cordless after all
    these years. I certainly like the ability to vary the speed from next to nothing to
    full blast with the variable speed trigger. However...

    The trigger acts like there are dead spots, but they are not consistently in the same
    place. e.g. I might be using a very soft blow around a delicate plant and then try to
    increase the speed with the trigger and the blower stops blowing for half-second or
    so and then starts again. It does that a lot but it's not like it's doing it at the same spot
    on the trigger every time. There doesn't seem to be any way to reproduce the issue
    via a quick squeeze or a slow squeeze or anything like that. It just does it in what
    appears to be a random manner.

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?

    It sounds like a bad trigger/switch.

    I'm leaning that way, but this blower does have "electronics" built into it.

    For example, one of the features of the Ego LB6504 is a "Speed/Lock-On Dial" which is separate from the trigger. You can turn it on and set a constant speed,
    no trigger needed. However, you can increase the speed with by using the trigger
    or the Turbo button.

    My Echo gas blower has that feature, commonly called cruise control with
    the ability to speed up and return to the preset speed.

    OK, so knowing that, here is what it says in the manual:

    "NOTICE: If the speed/lock-on dial is not turned back to the off position before the
    battery is removed, the blower will not start when a fully charged battery is installed.
    This is a protection feature to help prevent accidental startup. Depress the air-speed
    trigger to deactivate the protection and start the blower."

    Ok, but this does not sound like what your having an issue with.




    That tells me that there is circuitry involved which allows the trigger to talk to the
    Lock-On Dial. If it was simply a mechanical latch that sets the Lock-On Dial, I would
    think that the blower would start as soon as the battery was installed.

    Yes, with variable speed and safety features there is certainly some
    type of circuitry. But electricity moves fast and there should be no hesitation regardless. I would think the switch is faulty and or the
    over all design was not tested before roll out.




    In addition, on the website that Markem618 mentioned, there are the following 2 items. Note - These do not apply to my specific issue, they are just examples
    that lead me to believe that there is circuitry involved.

    Symptom:
    Blower turns off when pressing turbo button: Electrical failure
    Suggestion:
    Attempt to run the blower at a lower speed for one minute and engage boost again.

    Symptom:
    Blower doesn't work: Electronic failure
    Suggestion:
    Make sure the your bare hand is in contact with the steel strip in the handle when
    operating the blower, especially when using it in snowy or dusty conditions.



    Again, it sounds like a faulty part or piss poor design in the circuitry.

    If normal I would return it and look at another brand. Or Test other
    brands at a lawn and garden dealer where you can test.

    While for most, if this is a normal issue, it may not be a concern, you
    have clearly got reservations about that.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Mon Oct 11 08:05:05 2021
    On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/10/2021 10:31 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery >>>>>>>> needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >>>>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >>>> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as >>> my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell
    you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss
    me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to
    return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are
    going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.

    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.
    Absolutely no tool or brand is perfect.

    BUT I am not complaining or sharing concern about a feature or issue
    that I find irritating.

    I thought you were looking for a solution or advice about this
    particular tool.

    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)

    Irrelevant, I'm not the one complaining about something I just bought.

    I'm in some what of an intolerant mood. I have had it with inferior workmanship and service.
    I am personally dealing with Brinks security. They bought the company
    that was monitoring my home alarm and decided that I needed to upgrade
    my equipment. No cost to me!
    Well they would have lost my business as my equipment will not longer be
    able to communicate to them through 3G cellular.

    They had no choice if they wanted to keep me as a customer.

    New alarm system wend in 30 days ago. I have had 7 false alarms since
    that day and they have been out 2 times since to remedy the wireless
    sensor issue. And they have no showed 2 more appointments to remedy the problem and did not call to let me know that they were not coming.
    Calls to them to set up appoints take from 60~90 minutes.

    My brother runs an independent alarm company in the NYC/LI area. He outsourced the monitoring a long time ago and now he's working on selling off the hardware end of it so he can retire. It ain't easy.

    Not only is there so many different types of equipment out there, there are at least three different "standard" ways to sell your customers to another company.
    They are all based on future revenue, upgrades required, what equipment will talk
    to the buyer's monitoring systems, etc. He's been in negotiations for close to 2 years.
    One of the problems is that the environment (technology and customer base) keeps
    changing so he constantly has to update the information that he's provided, so the
    contract terms keep changing.

    In the meantime, the Tel Co is now requiring a "1" to be dialed when calling the area
    code of the monitoring service from outside of the area. Some hardware can have the
    number changed remotely with a couple of keystrokes, other equipment uses hardcoded
    chips to store the number. Guess what? No one makes/programs the chips anymore, so
    that equipment will have to be replaced before the "1" becomes a requirement.

    He's hoping to be able to close the deal and not have to deal with the upgrades himself.
    He's looking for less work, not more.


    And now my Roomba robot vac. The cool IT kids decided it would be neat
    to change the firmware in my robot so that the vacuum and brushes turn
    off between rooms. This is problematic as now it drags debris from yet
    to be cleaned areas to previously cleaned rooms.

    Color me confused. (I don' have robot vac)

    If the vac is in a dirty room, why wouldn't it clean the room before leaving? Seems
    like it should always be travelling from a clean room to dirty room, not the other way
    around.


    This feature is called Quiet Drive. So some one thinks it will makes a
    big improvement to noise to turn the vac and sweepers off 1% of the time
    it is running.

    Are you sure it's about noise? My uprights all have a floor setting which turns off the
    brushes for 2 reasons: 1 - some floor finishes can be damaged by the bristles; 2 - the
    bristles often send stuff flying even if the vacuum is on. In your case, if they are going
    to turn the vac off, they would certainly want to turn the bristles off too.


    Sheeh!

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Ralph E Lindberg on Mon Oct 11 08:21:16 2021
    On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 10:55:18 AM UTC-4, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
    All of our "yard" tools are Greenworks 24V and they work great. Leaf
    blower, weed-eather, chain-nibbler and chain-nilbbler on a sitck

    The power tools (including the stick vac) are Ryobi 18V and we are
    happy with them also/

    The neighbor and best friends use the Ryobi 40V and they also work
    great. I was just using their large "back pack" leaf blower to clean
    up after a day making them a wheel-chair ramp for the front door and
    was very impressed

    I tried the Ryobi 40V 110 MPH hand held blower. I was not impressed
    at all.

    I don't know what you are comparing your usage to, if anything. In my head-to-head battles, the 56V Ego works better than my corded Ridgid (feature-wise that is. Blower performance at top speed is comparable)
    Both the Ego and the Ridgid outperform the Ryobi 40V 110 MPH model
    by a huge margin.

    I had a Greenworks power washer. First power washer I ever owned. I
    thought it was "great" until it died and I bought a Karcher. Holy crap, what
    a difference. The ability to compare makes a big difference when assigning
    the word "great" to something. Compared to my garden hose, the Greenworks
    PW was great. Compared to the Greenworks, the Karcher PW was greater. ;-)

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  • From John Grossbohlin@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 13:56:43 2021
    "DerbyDad03" wrote in message news:3b2025de-676d-4f13-9207-94857924fbb5n@googlegroups.com...

    I'm shopping for a house warming gift. I think a battery powered leaf
    blower and string trimmer would be nice. Based on my experience with
    an old 24V B&D string trimmer and the size of the lot I'm buying for, a >battery operated set would work. Don't need a mower, she has a gas
    mower already.

    Does anyone have any real-life experience with a particular brand
    that they are happy/unhappy with?

    In my case a push mower was part of the ensemble and due to the mowing conditions, quality, and availability, Stihl was the brand of choice. A
    Model RMA 510 push mower was chosen for the mower in large part because the heavy load performance and I've got a great Stihl dealer a mile from my
    house. Their technology draws more power when you get into thick, wet grass, than it does in "normal" grass, so it doesn't bog down and it continues to mulch well. That does not occur with all brushless cordless mowers... The string trimmer works well as does the blower.

    These were purchased in 2020 and the mower choice was influenced by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZc72leGiIw

    For use on the residential lot where they live they work very well. For my
    work on bigger properties and rail trails I have pro-grade Stihl gasoline
    tools (chainsaws, pole saw, hedge clippers, back pack blower, and a big
    trimmer that accepts brush and sapling cutting blades. Does the power of
    the cordless tools compare to the pro-grade gasoline tools... short answer
    is no. Does it matter on a relatively flat residential property with a
    moderate string trimming need? No. The edge actually goes to the cordless tools for such use as my pro-grade gasoline tools are heavy and grossly over powered in those cases. That power has it's place elsewhere though.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Mon Oct 11 14:02:01 2021
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:05:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/10/2021 10:31 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> >>>>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >> >>>>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the
    store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >> >>>> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell
    you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss
    me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to
    return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are
    going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego. >> >
    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.

    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.
    Absolutely no tool or brand is perfect.

    BUT I am not complaining or sharing concern about a feature or issue
    that I find irritating.

    I thought you were looking for a solution or advice about this
    particular tool.

    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)

    Irrelevant, I'm not the one complaining about something I just bought.

    I'm in some what of an intolerant mood. I have had it with inferior
    workmanship and service.
    I am personally dealing with Brinks security. They bought the company
    that was monitoring my home alarm and decided that I needed to upgrade
    my equipment. No cost to me!
    Well they would have lost my business as my equipment will not longer be
    able to communicate to them through 3G cellular.

    They had no choice if they wanted to keep me as a customer.

    New alarm system wend in 30 days ago. I have had 7 false alarms since
    that day and they have been out 2 times since to remedy the wireless
    sensor issue. And they have no showed 2 more appointments to remedy the
    problem and did not call to let me know that they were not coming.
    Calls to them to set up appoints take from 60~90 minutes.

    My brother runs an independent alarm company in the NYC/LI area. He outsourced
    the monitoring a long time ago and now he's working on selling off the hardware
    end of it so he can retire. It ain't easy.

    Not only is there so many different types of equipment out there, there are at >least three different "standard" ways to sell your customers to another company.
    They are all based on future revenue, upgrades required, what equipment will talk
    to the buyer's monitoring systems, etc. He's been in negotiations for close to 2 years.
    One of the problems is that the environment (technology and customer base) keeps
    changing so he constantly has to update the information that he's provided, so the
    contract terms keep changing.

    In the meantime, the Tel Co is now requiring a "1" to be dialed when calling the area
    code of the monitoring service from outside of the area. Some hardware can have the
    number changed remotely with a couple of keystrokes, other equipment uses hardcoded
    chips to store the number. Guess what? No one makes/programs the chips anymore, so
    that equipment will have to be replaced before the "1" becomes a requirement.

    He's hoping to be able to close the deal and not have to deal with the upgrades himself.
    He's looking for less work, not more.

    Are alarm companies still a thing? I thought they were going the way
    of the dodo with all of the DIY stuff on the market. It's certainly
    not a business model I'd want buy into now.
    <...>

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Mon Oct 11 14:10:58 2021
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:47:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:31:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >> >> >>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >> >> >>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >> >> >>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >> >> >> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell
    you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss
    me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to
    return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are
    going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego. >> >
    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.
    Return it as defective and get another. If the new one works as
    expected, everything is good. If it doesn't fix the problem and you
    still want the thing, it's just an annoying design flaw.

    Thats basically my plan, but its worth the call to Ego. If it is a feature >then I dont have to do the exchange.


    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.


    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)
    I wish my track saw had imperial scales but it's an oldie. The newer
    ones fixed the "problem". You get your choice (though I've never seen
    a new metric one. OK, this qualifies as not being perfect but the
    depth adjustment isn't something I usually rely on. I wouldn't be
    nearly as forgiving if the trigger wasn't consistent.

    If this was a track saw with a flakey trigger by design, it would be a >tougher decision. This is a blower. Ill live with it if I have to.

    It's not really a fair comparison but you brought green tools into the discussion. I'd not put up with either, though the saw is a safety
    issue. The truck I have on order has start/stop (didn't know they
    still did that nonsense*). That's sure an annoying "feature" but it's
    part of the package. I understand, from someone who owns one, that
    the feature can be disabled with the push of a button, at least until
    the next time it's started. He also said there is a setting deep in
    the infotainment settings to disable it permanently.

    * I haven't been bugged about it at work for a couple of years. It
    was a major PITA.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 14:23:40 2021
    On 10/11/2021 10:05 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/10/2021 10:31 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery >>>>>>>>>> needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >>>>>>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >>>>>> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as >>>>> my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell
    you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss
    me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to >>>> return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are
    going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego. >>>
    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.

    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.
    Absolutely no tool or brand is perfect.

    BUT I am not complaining or sharing concern about a feature or issue
    that I find irritating.

    I thought you were looking for a solution or advice about this
    particular tool.

    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)

    Irrelevant, I'm not the one complaining about something I just bought.

    I'm in some what of an intolerant mood. I have had it with inferior
    workmanship and service.
    I am personally dealing with Brinks security. They bought the company
    that was monitoring my home alarm and decided that I needed to upgrade
    my equipment. No cost to me!
    Well they would have lost my business as my equipment will not longer be
    able to communicate to them through 3G cellular.

    They had no choice if they wanted to keep me as a customer.

    New alarm system wend in 30 days ago. I have had 7 false alarms since
    that day and they have been out 2 times since to remedy the wireless
    sensor issue. And they have no showed 2 more appointments to remedy the
    problem and did not call to let me know that they were not coming.
    Calls to them to set up appoints take from 60~90 minutes.

    My brother runs an independent alarm company in the NYC/LI area. He outsourced
    the monitoring a long time ago and now he's working on selling off the hardware
    end of it so he can retire. It ain't easy.

    Not only is there so many different types of equipment out there, there are at
    least three different "standard" ways to sell your customers to another company.
    They are all based on future revenue, upgrades required, what equipment will talk
    to the buyer's monitoring systems, etc. He's been in negotiations for close to 2 years.
    One of the problems is that the environment (technology and customer base) keeps
    changing so he constantly has to update the information that he's provided, so the
    contract terms keep changing.

    In the meantime, the Tel Co is now requiring a "1" to be dialed when calling the area
    code of the monitoring service from outside of the area. Some hardware can have the
    number changed remotely with a couple of keystrokes, other equipment uses hardcoded
    chips to store the number. Guess what? No one makes/programs the chips anymore, so
    that equipment will have to be replaced before the "1" becomes a requirement.

    He's hoping to be able to close the deal and not have to deal with the upgrades himself.
    He's looking for less work, not more.


    And now my Roomba robot vac. The cool IT kids decided it would be neat
    to change the firmware in my robot so that the vacuum and brushes turn
    off between rooms. This is problematic as now it drags debris from yet
    to be cleaned areas to previously cleaned rooms.

    Color me confused. (I don' have robot vac)

    If the vac is in a dirty room, why wouldn't it clean the room before leaving? Seems
    like it should always be travelling from a clean room to dirty room, not the other way
    around.


    IRobot has a feature that maps your home and lets you name the rooms.
    It will clean each room independently and then move on.

    The beauty is that you can choose the order that each room is cleaned.
    The robot cleans the room and goes to the next on the list in the order indicated.

    Our kitchen is in the middle of the house. To go from the office entry
    area, where the robot docks and recharges, to the guest bedrooms, guest
    bath, and laundry room it has to go through the kitchen. Or to go to
    the living room and master bedroom, master bath and master closet it has
    to go through the kitchen. Our kitchen has 3 entrances.

    So our robot starts at 8:00am and so that it is not under foot during
    breakfast I have the robot do the kitchen last.

    AND that worked perfectly until the last "cutesey" firmware update
    called "Quiet Drive"


    In quiet drive the robot vac and main sweepers shut off. It is intended
    to only go into quiet drive when beginning a cleaning routine of the
    whole house and when returning to the base to recharge.

    Yes it is somewhat quieter for about 2 minutes out of the 2 hour daily
    cleaning routine.

    Unfortunately when you select rooms to be cleaned in a different than
    shortest distance order it goes into quiet mode until it gets to the
    next room.

    So it cleans a room and then stops vacuuming and sweeping when going to
    the next room. It often goes through a yet to be cleaned room and a
    cleaned room to get to the next room. So since the sweepers and vac are
    turned off in quiet mode it drags debris from the yet to be cleaned room
    into the cleaned room as it proceeds to the next room.

    In this mode we see more clumps of debris that before quiet mode was added.






    This feature is called Quiet Drive. So some one thinks it will makes a
    big improvement to noise to turn the vac and sweepers off 1% of the time
    it is running.

    Are you sure it's about noise? My uprights all have a floor setting which turns off the
    brushes for 2 reasons: 1 - some floor finishes can be damaged by the bristles; 2 - the
    bristles often send stuff flying even if the vacuum is on. In your case, if they are going
    to turn the vac off, they would certainly want to turn the bristles off too.


    It is all about noise. They explained that it is a inconvenience
    update. It is quieter when simply traveling about the house.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Mon Oct 11 14:34:12 2021
    On 10/11/2021 1:10 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:47:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:31:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >>>>>>>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >>>>>>> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell >>>>> you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss >>>>> me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to >>>>> return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are
    going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego. >>>>
    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.
    Return it as defective and get another. If the new one works as
    expected, everything is good. If it doesn't fix the problem and you
    still want the thing, it's just an annoying design flaw.

    That’s basically my plan, but it’s worth the call to Ego. If it is a “feature”
    then I don’t have to do the exchange.


    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.


    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)
    I wish my track saw had imperial scales but it's an oldie. The newer
    ones fixed the "problem". You get your choice (though I've never seen
    a new metric one. OK, this qualifies as not being perfect but the
    depth adjustment isn't something I usually rely on. I wouldn't be
    nearly as forgiving if the trigger wasn't consistent.

    If this was a track saw with a flakey trigger “by design”, it would be a >> tougher decision. This is a blower. I’ll live with it if I have to.

    It's not really a fair comparison but you brought green tools into the discussion. I'd not put up with either, though the saw is a safety
    issue. The truck I have on order has start/stop (didn't know they
    still did that nonsense*). That's sure an annoying "feature" but it's
    part of the package. I understand, from someone who owns one, that
    the feature can be disabled with the push of a button, at least until
    the next time it's started. He also said there is a setting deep in
    the infotainment settings to disable it permanently.


    If you are ordering an F150 and that person was me, the disable feature
    is only temporary, even if you go deep into the settings. Even deep in
    the settings the over ride is only until you restart the engine. ;~(

    But that may have changed....

    I have had mine for 2 years and have pretty much gotten used to it. But
    if I wanted I could make it a muscle memory routine to disable the
    feature with the touch of a button.

    Fortunately it does not always shut down when stopped. If there is a
    load on the battery, AC, the feature will not always engage.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Mon Oct 11 14:28:03 2021
    On 10/11/2021 1:02 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:05:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/10/2021 10:31 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >>>>>>>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >>>>>>> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell >>>>> you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss >>>>> me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to >>>>> return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are
    going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego. >>>>
    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.

    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.
    Absolutely no tool or brand is perfect.

    BUT I am not complaining or sharing concern about a feature or issue
    that I find irritating.

    I thought you were looking for a solution or advice about this
    particular tool.

    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)

    Irrelevant, I'm not the one complaining about something I just bought.

    I'm in some what of an intolerant mood. I have had it with inferior
    workmanship and service.
    I am personally dealing with Brinks security. They bought the company
    that was monitoring my home alarm and decided that I needed to upgrade
    my equipment. No cost to me!
    Well they would have lost my business as my equipment will not longer be >>> able to communicate to them through 3G cellular.

    They had no choice if they wanted to keep me as a customer.

    New alarm system wend in 30 days ago. I have had 7 false alarms since
    that day and they have been out 2 times since to remedy the wireless
    sensor issue. And they have no showed 2 more appointments to remedy the
    problem and did not call to let me know that they were not coming.
    Calls to them to set up appoints take from 60~90 minutes.

    My brother runs an independent alarm company in the NYC/LI area. He outsourced
    the monitoring a long time ago and now he's working on selling off the hardware
    end of it so he can retire. It ain't easy.

    Not only is there so many different types of equipment out there, there are at
    least three different "standard" ways to sell your customers to another company.
    They are all based on future revenue, upgrades required, what equipment will talk
    to the buyer's monitoring systems, etc. He's been in negotiations for close to 2 years.
    One of the problems is that the environment (technology and customer base) keeps
    changing so he constantly has to update the information that he's provided, so the
    contract terms keep changing.

    In the meantime, the Tel Co is now requiring a "1" to be dialed when calling the area
    code of the monitoring service from outside of the area. Some hardware can have the
    number changed remotely with a couple of keystrokes, other equipment uses hardcoded
    chips to store the number. Guess what? No one makes/programs the chips anymore, so
    that equipment will have to be replaced before the "1" becomes a requirement.

    He's hoping to be able to close the deal and not have to deal with the upgrades himself.
    He's looking for less work, not more.

    Are alarm companies still a thing? I thought they were going the way
    of the dodo with all of the DIY stuff on the market. It's certainly
    not a business model I'd want buy into now.
    <...>



    Unfortunately DIY stuff is 99% wireless. And we all know how dependable
    and how much fun it is to set up 23 wireless devices....

    Wireless is all that is giving my system fits.

    And yes even with DIY you still need an alarm monitoring service to call
    the authorities if there is a break in when you are gone.

    And FWIW alarm companys are a dime a dozen.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 18:12:26 2021
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:28:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 1:02 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:05:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/10/2021 10:31 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >>>>>>>> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell >>>>>> you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss >>>>>> me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to >>>>>> return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are >>>>>> going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego. >>>>>
    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.

    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.
    Absolutely no tool or brand is perfect.

    BUT I am not complaining or sharing concern about a feature or issue
    that I find irritating.

    I thought you were looking for a solution or advice about this
    particular tool.

    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)

    Irrelevant, I'm not the one complaining about something I just bought. >>>>
    I'm in some what of an intolerant mood. I have had it with inferior
    workmanship and service.
    I am personally dealing with Brinks security. They bought the company
    that was monitoring my home alarm and decided that I needed to upgrade >>>> my equipment. No cost to me!
    Well they would have lost my business as my equipment will not longer be >>>> able to communicate to them through 3G cellular.

    They had no choice if they wanted to keep me as a customer.

    New alarm system wend in 30 days ago. I have had 7 false alarms since
    that day and they have been out 2 times since to remedy the wireless
    sensor issue. And they have no showed 2 more appointments to remedy the >>>> problem and did not call to let me know that they were not coming.
    Calls to them to set up appoints take from 60~90 minutes.

    My brother runs an independent alarm company in the NYC/LI area. He outsourced
    the monitoring a long time ago and now he's working on selling off the hardware
    end of it so he can retire. It ain't easy.

    Not only is there so many different types of equipment out there, there are at
    least three different "standard" ways to sell your customers to another company.
    They are all based on future revenue, upgrades required, what equipment will talk
    to the buyer's monitoring systems, etc. He's been in negotiations for close to 2 years.
    One of the problems is that the environment (technology and customer base) keeps
    changing so he constantly has to update the information that he's provided, so the
    contract terms keep changing.

    In the meantime, the Tel Co is now requiring a "1" to be dialed when calling the area
    code of the monitoring service from outside of the area. Some hardware can have the
    number changed remotely with a couple of keystrokes, other equipment uses hardcoded
    chips to store the number. Guess what? No one makes/programs the chips anymore, so
    that equipment will have to be replaced before the "1" becomes a requirement.

    He's hoping to be able to close the deal and not have to deal with the upgrades himself.
    He's looking for less work, not more.

    Are alarm companies still a thing? I thought they were going the way
    of the dodo with all of the DIY stuff on the market. It's certainly
    not a business model I'd want buy into now.
    <...>



    Unfortunately DIY stuff is 99% wireless. And we all know how dependable
    and how much fun it is to set up 23 wireless devices....

    I've found that simple devices are rather simple to set up,
    particularly Bluetooth. Using Bluetooth to set up WiFi is a pretty
    common thing these days.

    Wireless is all that is giving my system fits.

    And yes even with DIY you still need an alarm monitoring service to call
    the authorities if there is a break in when you are gone.

    The DIY manufacturers usually offer monitoring services, far cheaper
    than the dinosaurs.

    And FWIW alarm companys are a dime a dozen.

    Yes, but their prices aren't.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 17:25:22 2021
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:34:12 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 1:10 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:47:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:31:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >>>>>>>> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell >>>>>> you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss >>>>>> me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to >>>>>> return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are >>>>>> going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego. >>>>>
    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.
    Return it as defective and get another. If the new one works as
    expected, everything is good. If it doesn't fix the problem and you
    still want the thing, it's just an annoying design flaw.

    Thats basically my plan, but its worth the call to Ego. If it is a feature
    then I dont have to do the exchange.


    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.


    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)
    I wish my track saw had imperial scales but it's an oldie. The newer
    ones fixed the "problem". You get your choice (though I've never seen
    a new metric one. OK, this qualifies as not being perfect but the
    depth adjustment isn't something I usually rely on. I wouldn't be
    nearly as forgiving if the trigger wasn't consistent.

    If this was a track saw with a flakey trigger by design, it would be a >>> tougher decision. This is a blower. Ill live with it if I have to.

    It's not really a fair comparison but you brought green tools into the
    discussion. I'd not put up with either, though the saw is a safety
    issue. The truck I have on order has start/stop (didn't know they
    still did that nonsense*). That's sure an annoying "feature" but it's
    part of the package. I understand, from someone who owns one, that
    the feature can be disabled with the push of a button, at least until
    the next time it's started. He also said there is a setting deep in
    the infotainment settings to disable it permanently.


    If you are ordering an F150 and that person was me, the disable feature
    is only temporary, even if you go deep into the settings. Even deep in
    the settings the over ride is only until you restart the engine. ;~(

    But that may have changed....

    I have had mine for 2 years and have pretty much gotten used to it. But
    if I wanted I could make it a muscle memory routine to disable the
    feature with the touch of a button.

    Fortunately it does not always shut down when stopped. If there is a
    load on the battery, AC, the feature will not always engage.


    If the truck sits and normal drain on the battery for a couple of day
    the charge of the battery will "shut it off". There are aftermarket
    devices to make it stay in the mode you set the stop/start feature
    too.

    The rangers battery would not charge more that 60%, the feature need
    73% or better to work.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 20:36:54 2021
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:34:12 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 1:10 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:47:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:31:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >>>>>>>> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell >>>>>> you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss >>>>>> me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to >>>>>> return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are >>>>>> going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego. >>>>>
    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.
    Return it as defective and get another. If the new one works as
    expected, everything is good. If it doesn't fix the problem and you
    still want the thing, it's just an annoying design flaw.

    Thats basically my plan, but its worth the call to Ego. If it is a feature
    then I dont have to do the exchange.


    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.


    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)
    I wish my track saw had imperial scales but it's an oldie. The newer
    ones fixed the "problem". You get your choice (though I've never seen
    a new metric one. OK, this qualifies as not being perfect but the
    depth adjustment isn't something I usually rely on. I wouldn't be
    nearly as forgiving if the trigger wasn't consistent.

    If this was a track saw with a flakey trigger by design, it would be a >>> tougher decision. This is a blower. Ill live with it if I have to.

    It's not really a fair comparison but you brought green tools into the
    discussion. I'd not put up with either, though the saw is a safety
    issue. The truck I have on order has start/stop (didn't know they
    still did that nonsense*). That's sure an annoying "feature" but it's
    part of the package. I understand, from someone who owns one, that
    the feature can be disabled with the push of a button, at least until
    the next time it's started. He also said there is a setting deep in
    the infotainment settings to disable it permanently.


    If you are ordering an F150 and that person was me, the disable feature
    is only temporary, even if you go deep into the settings. Even deep in
    the settings the over ride is only until you restart the engine. ;~(

    I went out to lunch with one of our suppliers last Thursday. He has a
    F150 Platinum (it's his company vehicle). His didn't S/S, so he must
    have disabled it somehow. He's the one who told me that the deep
    settings could disable it permanently. I'll find out in another month
    - maybe (delayed once already).

    But that may have changed....

    I have had mine for 2 years and have pretty much gotten used to it. But
    if I wanted I could make it a muscle memory routine to disable the
    feature with the touch of a button.

    Fortunately it does not always shut down when stopped. If there is a
    load on the battery, AC, the feature will not always engage.

    That may explain why his didn't stop. It wasn't a warm day but he
    could have had the AC on anyway. I'd think it a huge PITA when
    towing. That's probably the reason for the disable feature.


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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 20:39:03 2021
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:25:22 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:34:12 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 1:10 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:47:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:31:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>>>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >>>>>>>>> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell >>>>>>> you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss >>>>>>> me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to >>>>>>> return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are >>>>>>> going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.
    Return it as defective and get another. If the new one works as
    expected, everything is good. If it doesn't fix the problem and you
    still want the thing, it's just an annoying design flaw.

    Thats basically my plan, but its worth the call to Ego. If it is a feature
    then I dont have to do the exchange.


    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.


    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)
    I wish my track saw had imperial scales but it's an oldie. The newer >>>>> ones fixed the "problem". You get your choice (though I've never seen >>>>> a new metric one. OK, this qualifies as not being perfect but the
    depth adjustment isn't something I usually rely on. I wouldn't be
    nearly as forgiving if the trigger wasn't consistent.

    If this was a track saw with a flakey trigger by design, it would be a >>>> tougher decision. This is a blower. Ill live with it if I have to.

    It's not really a fair comparison but you brought green tools into the
    discussion. I'd not put up with either, though the saw is a safety
    issue. The truck I have on order has start/stop (didn't know they
    still did that nonsense*). That's sure an annoying "feature" but it's
    part of the package. I understand, from someone who owns one, that
    the feature can be disabled with the push of a button, at least until
    the next time it's started. He also said there is a setting deep in
    the infotainment settings to disable it permanently.


    If you are ordering an F150 and that person was me, the disable feature
    is only temporary, even if you go deep into the settings. Even deep in
    the settings the over ride is only until you restart the engine. ;~(

    But that may have changed....

    I have had mine for 2 years and have pretty much gotten used to it. But
    if I wanted I could make it a muscle memory routine to disable the
    feature with the touch of a button.

    Fortunately it does not always shut down when stopped. If there is a
    load on the battery, AC, the feature will not always engage.


    If the truck sits and normal drain on the battery for a couple of day
    the charge of the battery will "shut it off". There are aftermarket
    devices to make it stay in the mode you set the stop/start feature
    too.

    Time for an Internet search. Did I say that I hated S/S yet?

    The rangers battery would not charge more that 60%, the feature need
    73% or better to work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Mon Oct 11 19:58:53 2021
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 20:39:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:25:22 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:34:12 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 1:10 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:47:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:31:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>>>>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model.
    Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell >>>>>>>> you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss >>>>>>>> me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to >>>>>>>> return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are >>>>>>>> going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.
    Return it as defective and get another. If the new one works as
    expected, everything is good. If it doesn't fix the problem and you >>>>>> still want the thing, it's just an annoying design flaw.

    Thats basically my plan, but its worth the call to Ego. If it is a feature
    then I dont have to do the exchange.


    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.


    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)
    I wish my track saw had imperial scales but it's an oldie. The newer >>>>>> ones fixed the "problem". You get your choice (though I've never seen >>>>>> a new metric one. OK, this qualifies as not being perfect but the
    depth adjustment isn't something I usually rely on. I wouldn't be
    nearly as forgiving if the trigger wasn't consistent.

    If this was a track saw with a flakey trigger by design, it would be a >>>>> tougher decision. This is a blower. Ill live with it if I have to.

    It's not really a fair comparison but you brought green tools into the >>>> discussion. I'd not put up with either, though the saw is a safety
    issue. The truck I have on order has start/stop (didn't know they
    still did that nonsense*). That's sure an annoying "feature" but it's >>>> part of the package. I understand, from someone who owns one, that
    the feature can be disabled with the push of a button, at least until
    the next time it's started. He also said there is a setting deep in
    the infotainment settings to disable it permanently.


    If you are ordering an F150 and that person was me, the disable feature >>>is only temporary, even if you go deep into the settings. Even deep in >>>the settings the over ride is only until you restart the engine. ;~(

    But that may have changed....

    I have had mine for 2 years and have pretty much gotten used to it. But >>>if I wanted I could make it a muscle memory routine to disable the >>>feature with the touch of a button.

    Fortunately it does not always shut down when stopped. If there is a >>>load on the battery, AC, the feature will not always engage.


    If the truck sits and normal drain on the battery for a couple of day
    the charge of the battery will "shut it off". There are aftermarket
    devices to make it stay in the mode you set the stop/start feature
    too.

    Time for an Internet search. Did I say that I hated S/S yet?

    The rangers battery would not charge more that 60%, the feature need
    73% or better to work.

    Motor Trend Truck U show features one all the time.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Tue Oct 12 12:05:51 2021
    On 10/11/2021 5:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:28:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 1:02 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:05:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/10/2021 10:31 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>>>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >>>>>>>>> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell >>>>>>> you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss >>>>>>> me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to >>>>>>> return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are >>>>>>> going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.

    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.
    Absolutely no tool or brand is perfect.

    BUT I am not complaining or sharing concern about a feature or issue >>>>> that I find irritating.

    I thought you were looking for a solution or advice about this
    particular tool.

    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)

    Irrelevant, I'm not the one complaining about something I just bought. >>>>>
    I'm in some what of an intolerant mood. I have had it with inferior
    workmanship and service.
    I am personally dealing with Brinks security. They bought the company >>>>> that was monitoring my home alarm and decided that I needed to upgrade >>>>> my equipment. No cost to me!
    Well they would have lost my business as my equipment will not longer be >>>>> able to communicate to them through 3G cellular.

    They had no choice if they wanted to keep me as a customer.

    New alarm system wend in 30 days ago. I have had 7 false alarms since >>>>> that day and they have been out 2 times since to remedy the wireless >>>>> sensor issue. And they have no showed 2 more appointments to remedy the >>>>> problem and did not call to let me know that they were not coming.
    Calls to them to set up appoints take from 60~90 minutes.

    My brother runs an independent alarm company in the NYC/LI area. He outsourced
    the monitoring a long time ago and now he's working on selling off the hardware
    end of it so he can retire. It ain't easy.

    Not only is there so many different types of equipment out there, there are at
    least three different "standard" ways to sell your customers to another company.
    They are all based on future revenue, upgrades required, what equipment will talk
    to the buyer's monitoring systems, etc. He's been in negotiations for close to 2 years.
    One of the problems is that the environment (technology and customer base) keeps
    changing so he constantly has to update the information that he's provided, so the
    contract terms keep changing.

    In the meantime, the Tel Co is now requiring a "1" to be dialed when calling the area
    code of the monitoring service from outside of the area. Some hardware can have the
    number changed remotely with a couple of keystrokes, other equipment uses hardcoded
    chips to store the number. Guess what? No one makes/programs the chips anymore, so
    that equipment will have to be replaced before the "1" becomes a requirement.

    He's hoping to be able to close the deal and not have to deal with the upgrades himself.
    He's looking for less work, not more.

    Are alarm companies still a thing? I thought they were going the way
    of the dodo with all of the DIY stuff on the market. It's certainly
    not a business model I'd want buy into now.
    <...>



    Unfortunately DIY stuff is 99% wireless. And we all know how dependable
    and how much fun it is to set up 23 wireless devices....

    I've found that simple devices are rather simple to set up,
    particularly Bluetooth. Using Bluetooth to set up WiFi is a pretty
    common thing these days.

    But still Brinks home security seems to have issues with the wireless components.




    Wireless is all that is giving my system fits.

    And yes even with DIY you still need an alarm monitoring service to call
    the authorities if there is a break in when you are gone.

    The DIY manufacturers usually offer monitoring services, far cheaper
    than the dinosaurs.

    And FWIW alarm companys are a dime a dozen.

    Yes, but their prices aren't.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 12 12:08:26 2021
    On 10/11/2021 5:25 PM, Markem618 wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:34:12 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 1:10 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:47:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:31:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>>>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model. >>>>>>>>> Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell >>>>>>> you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss >>>>>>> me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to >>>>>>> return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are >>>>>>> going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.
    Return it as defective and get another. If the new one works as
    expected, everything is good. If it doesn't fix the problem and you
    still want the thing, it's just an annoying design flaw.

    That’s basically my plan, but it’s worth the call to Ego. If it is a “feature”
    then I don’t have to do the exchange.


    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.


    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)
    I wish my track saw had imperial scales but it's an oldie. The newer >>>>> ones fixed the "problem". You get your choice (though I've never seen >>>>> a new metric one. OK, this qualifies as not being perfect but the
    depth adjustment isn't something I usually rely on. I wouldn't be
    nearly as forgiving if the trigger wasn't consistent.

    If this was a track saw with a flakey trigger “by design”, it would be a
    tougher decision. This is a blower. I’ll live with it if I have to.

    It's not really a fair comparison but you brought green tools into the
    discussion. I'd not put up with either, though the saw is a safety
    issue. The truck I have on order has start/stop (didn't know they
    still did that nonsense*). That's sure an annoying "feature" but it's
    part of the package. I understand, from someone who owns one, that
    the feature can be disabled with the push of a button, at least until
    the next time it's started. He also said there is a setting deep in
    the infotainment settings to disable it permanently.


    If you are ordering an F150 and that person was me, the disable feature
    is only temporary, even if you go deep into the settings. Even deep in
    the settings the over ride is only until you restart the engine. ;~(

    But that may have changed....

    I have had mine for 2 years and have pretty much gotten used to it. But
    if I wanted I could make it a muscle memory routine to disable the
    feature with the touch of a button.

    Fortunately it does not always shut down when stopped. If there is a
    load on the battery, AC, the feature will not always engage.


    If the truck sits and normal drain on the battery for a couple of day
    the charge of the battery will "shut it off". There are aftermarket
    devices to make it stay in the mode you set the stop/start feature
    too.

    Actually there is a connector near the battery cable at the battery. If
    yuo disconnect that small cable the shut off feature is overridden.
    This is how Ford allows the mechanics to over ride the system when the
    engine needs to be running.



    The rangers battery would not charge more that 60%, the feature need
    73% or better to work.


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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Tue Oct 12 12:01:20 2021
    On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 1:08:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/11/2021 5:25 PM, Markem618 wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:34:12 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 1:10 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:47:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:31:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the
    store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model.
    Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell
    you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss
    me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to
    return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are >>>>>>> going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.
    Return it as defective and get another. If the new one works as
    expected, everything is good. If it doesn't fix the problem and you >>>>> still want the thing, it's just an annoying design flaw.

    That’s basically my plan, but it’s worth the call to Ego. If it is a “feature”
    then I don’t have to do the exchange.


    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.


    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)
    I wish my track saw had imperial scales but it's an oldie. The newer >>>>> ones fixed the "problem". You get your choice (though I've never seen >>>>> a new metric one. OK, this qualifies as not being perfect but the >>>>> depth adjustment isn't something I usually rely on. I wouldn't be >>>>> nearly as forgiving if the trigger wasn't consistent.

    If this was a track saw with a flakey trigger “by design”, it would be a
    tougher decision. This is a blower. I’ll live with it if I have to. >>>
    It's not really a fair comparison but you brought green tools into the >>> discussion. I'd not put up with either, though the saw is a safety
    issue. The truck I have on order has start/stop (didn't know they
    still did that nonsense*). That's sure an annoying "feature" but it's >>> part of the package. I understand, from someone who owns one, that
    the feature can be disabled with the push of a button, at least until >>> the next time it's started. He also said there is a setting deep in
    the infotainment settings to disable it permanently.


    If you are ordering an F150 and that person was me, the disable feature >> is only temporary, even if you go deep into the settings. Even deep in
    the settings the over ride is only until you restart the engine. ;~(

    But that may have changed....

    I have had mine for 2 years and have pretty much gotten used to it. But >> if I wanted I could make it a muscle memory routine to disable the
    feature with the touch of a button.

    Fortunately it does not always shut down when stopped. If there is a
    load on the battery, AC, the feature will not always engage.


    If the truck sits and normal drain on the battery for a couple of day
    the charge of the battery will "shut it off". There are aftermarket devices to make it stay in the mode you set the stop/start feature
    too.
    Actually there is a connector near the battery cable at the battery. If
    yuo disconnect that small cable the shut off feature is overridden.
    This is how Ford allows the mechanics to over ride the system when the engine needs to be running.


    Any chance that this "fix" throws a code that will eventually cause a CEL? That would be something the mechanic could clear before returning the
    vehicle to the customer.

    On the Honda Odyssey, many of us use a resistor to inhibit the Variable Cylinder
    Management system from kicking in. Basically, it fools the ECU into thinking that the coolant is not up to the temperature required for the VCM to kick in. However, it does not fool the ECU enough to mess up the fuel trims.

    The device is actually called a VCMuzzler. If you use too high of a resistor value for
    your ambient environment, you can get a CEL for Low Engine Coolant Temperature. Too low of a value and the VCM will kick in as designed. On my 2017, I need to change
    my resistor (plug and play) in the spring and fall to compensate for the cold weather. On
    my 2006, I was able to run the same resistor all year.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 12 16:36:25 2021
    On 10/12/2021 2:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 1:08:30 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/11/2021 5:25 PM, Markem618 wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:34:12 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 1:10 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:47:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:31:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the
    store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model.
    Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell >>>>>>>>> you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss >>>>>>>>> me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to
    return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are >>>>>>>>> going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.
    Return it as defective and get another. If the new one works as
    expected, everything is good. If it doesn't fix the problem and you >>>>>>> still want the thing, it's just an annoying design flaw.

    That’s basically my plan, but it’s worth the call to Ego. If it is a “feature”
    then I don’t have to do the exchange.


    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.


    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)
    I wish my track saw had imperial scales but it's an oldie. The newer >>>>>>> ones fixed the "problem". You get your choice (though I've never seen >>>>>>> a new metric one. OK, this qualifies as not being perfect but the >>>>>>> depth adjustment isn't something I usually rely on. I wouldn't be >>>>>>> nearly as forgiving if the trigger wasn't consistent.

    If this was a track saw with a flakey trigger “by design”, it would be a
    tougher decision. This is a blower. I’ll live with it if I have to. >>>>>
    It's not really a fair comparison but you brought green tools into the >>>>> discussion. I'd not put up with either, though the saw is a safety
    issue. The truck I have on order has start/stop (didn't know they
    still did that nonsense*). That's sure an annoying "feature" but it's >>>>> part of the package. I understand, from someone who owns one, that
    the feature can be disabled with the push of a button, at least until >>>>> the next time it's started. He also said there is a setting deep in
    the infotainment settings to disable it permanently.


    If you are ordering an F150 and that person was me, the disable feature >>>> is only temporary, even if you go deep into the settings. Even deep in >>>> the settings the over ride is only until you restart the engine. ;~(

    But that may have changed....

    I have had mine for 2 years and have pretty much gotten used to it. But >>>> if I wanted I could make it a muscle memory routine to disable the
    feature with the touch of a button.

    Fortunately it does not always shut down when stopped. If there is a
    load on the battery, AC, the feature will not always engage.


    If the truck sits and normal drain on the battery for a couple of day
    the charge of the battery will "shut it off". There are aftermarket
    devices to make it stay in the mode you set the stop/start feature
    too.
    Actually there is a connector near the battery cable at the battery. If
    yuo disconnect that small cable the shut off feature is overridden.
    This is how Ford allows the mechanics to over ride the system when the
    engine needs to be running.


    Any chance that this "fix" throws a code that will eventually cause a CEL? That would be something the mechanic could clear before returning the
    vehicle to the customer.

    It is not a "fix", it is an override so that the mechanic does not to
    risk the engine stopping during an AC recharge or when running diagnostics.

    I don't believe it sends a code but IIRC a light on the dash is
    indicated. But when stop start is working there is an indicator too.

    So the little cable goes to a volt meter/sensor that tells the stop
    start to not engage if the battery is low or if there is a bigger demand
    on the battery. Disconnecting that cable tells the sensor there is no
    voltage and therefore overrides the stop start feature. Really pretty
    simple, IIRC that is the sole purpose of that small cable.




    On the Honda Odyssey, many of us use a resistor to inhibit the Variable Cylinder
    Management system from kicking in. Basically, it fools the ECU into thinking that the coolant is not up to the temperature required for the VCM to kick in.
    However, it does not fool the ECU enough to mess up the fuel trims.

    The device is actually called a VCMuzzler. If you use too high of a resistor value for
    your ambient environment, you can get a CEL for Low Engine Coolant Temperature.
    Too low of a value and the VCM will kick in as designed. On my 2017, I need to change
    my resistor (plug and play) in the spring and fall to compensate for the cold weather. On
    my 2006, I was able to run the same resistor all year.


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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 12 20:42:46 2021
    On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:05:51 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 5:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:28:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 1:02 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:05:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/10/2021 10:31 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>>>>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model.
    Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell >>>>>>>> you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss >>>>>>>> me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to >>>>>>>> return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are >>>>>>>> going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.

    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.
    Absolutely no tool or brand is perfect.

    BUT I am not complaining or sharing concern about a feature or issue >>>>>> that I find irritating.

    I thought you were looking for a solution or advice about this
    particular tool.

    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)

    Irrelevant, I'm not the one complaining about something I just bought. >>>>>>
    I'm in some what of an intolerant mood. I have had it with inferior >>>>>> workmanship and service.
    I am personally dealing with Brinks security. They bought the company >>>>>> that was monitoring my home alarm and decided that I needed to upgrade >>>>>> my equipment. No cost to me!
    Well they would have lost my business as my equipment will not longer be >>>>>> able to communicate to them through 3G cellular.

    They had no choice if they wanted to keep me as a customer.

    New alarm system wend in 30 days ago. I have had 7 false alarms since >>>>>> that day and they have been out 2 times since to remedy the wireless >>>>>> sensor issue. And they have no showed 2 more appointments to remedy the >>>>>> problem and did not call to let me know that they were not coming. >>>>>> Calls to them to set up appoints take from 60~90 minutes.

    My brother runs an independent alarm company in the NYC/LI area. He outsourced
    the monitoring a long time ago and now he's working on selling off the hardware
    end of it so he can retire. It ain't easy.

    Not only is there so many different types of equipment out there, there are at
    least three different "standard" ways to sell your customers to another company.
    They are all based on future revenue, upgrades required, what equipment will talk
    to the buyer's monitoring systems, etc. He's been in negotiations for close to 2 years.
    One of the problems is that the environment (technology and customer base) keeps
    changing so he constantly has to update the information that he's provided, so the
    contract terms keep changing.

    In the meantime, the Tel Co is now requiring a "1" to be dialed when calling the area
    code of the monitoring service from outside of the area. Some hardware can have the
    number changed remotely with a couple of keystrokes, other equipment uses hardcoded
    chips to store the number. Guess what? No one makes/programs the chips anymore, so
    that equipment will have to be replaced before the "1" becomes a requirement.

    He's hoping to be able to close the deal and not have to deal with the upgrades himself.
    He's looking for less work, not more.

    Are alarm companies still a thing? I thought they were going the way
    of the dodo with all of the DIY stuff on the market. It's certainly
    not a business model I'd want buy into now.
    <...>



    Unfortunately DIY stuff is 99% wireless. And we all know how dependable >>> and how much fun it is to set up 23 wireless devices....

    I've found that simple devices are rather simple to set up,
    particularly Bluetooth. Using Bluetooth to set up WiFi is a pretty
    common thing these days.

    But still Brinks home security seems to have issues with the wireless >components.

    ...and your point? Should I be impressed by who they (can) hire these
    days? The OTC home alarm systems are designed for the public to
    install. From what I've heard, they do a very good job.

    I'd never go with Brinks, ADT, or any of the classic thieves.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 12 20:45:11 2021
    On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:08:26 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 5:25 PM, Markem618 wrote:
    On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:34:12 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 10/11/2021 1:10 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 8:47:36 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:31:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery
    needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-)

    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the >>>>>>>>>>>> store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model.
    Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as
    my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell >>>>>>>> you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss >>>>>>>> me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to >>>>>>>> return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are >>>>>>>> going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    The issue is that "other brands" don't have the same features as the Ego.

    If this particular behavior is normal, I will probably live with it. I'm not going
    to forgo the other features that I find useful just because "they pissed me off"
    with their answer.
    Return it as defective and get another. If the new one works as
    expected, everything is good. If it doesn't fix the problem and you >>>>>> still want the thing, it's just an annoying design flaw.

    Thats basically my plan, but its worth the call to Ego. If it is a feature
    then I dont have to do the exchange.


    I'm sure that you have tools that are fine in the vast majority of situations but
    that you wish "had this or that" or didn't do this or that. You keep them because
    of all the good things that they do, assuming there isn't a viable replacement.


    Is every one of your green tools perfect in every way? ;-)
    I wish my track saw had imperial scales but it's an oldie. The newer >>>>>> ones fixed the "problem". You get your choice (though I've never seen >>>>>> a new metric one. OK, this qualifies as not being perfect but the
    depth adjustment isn't something I usually rely on. I wouldn't be
    nearly as forgiving if the trigger wasn't consistent.

    If this was a track saw with a flakey trigger by design, it would be a >>>>> tougher decision. This is a blower. Ill live with it if I have to.

    It's not really a fair comparison but you brought green tools into the >>>> discussion. I'd not put up with either, though the saw is a safety
    issue. The truck I have on order has start/stop (didn't know they
    still did that nonsense*). That's sure an annoying "feature" but it's >>>> part of the package. I understand, from someone who owns one, that
    the feature can be disabled with the push of a button, at least until
    the next time it's started. He also said there is a setting deep in
    the infotainment settings to disable it permanently.


    If you are ordering an F150 and that person was me, the disable feature
    is only temporary, even if you go deep into the settings. Even deep in
    the settings the over ride is only until you restart the engine. ;~(

    But that may have changed....

    I have had mine for 2 years and have pretty much gotten used to it. But >>> if I wanted I could make it a muscle memory routine to disable the
    feature with the touch of a button.

    Fortunately it does not always shut down when stopped. If there is a
    load on the battery, AC, the feature will not always engage.


    If the truck sits and normal drain on the battery for a couple of day
    the charge of the battery will "shut it off". There are aftermarket
    devices to make it stay in the mode you set the stop/start feature
    too.

    Actually there is a connector near the battery cable at the battery. If
    yuo disconnect that small cable the shut off feature is overridden.
    This is how Ford allows the mechanics to over ride the system when the
    engine needs to be running.

    I've heard similar but understood that it had other unwanted side
    effects. Don't remember the details.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Oct 13 08:43:51 2021
    On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 10:59:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
    On 10/9/2021 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:43:33 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 7:22:10 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 6:11:00 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:

    It's almost like a car with hesitation. You depress the gas pedal and there is no
    acceleration for a second, except with the blower it goes from blowing to silent for
    a half second then starts blowing again. It's rather disconcerting. ;-)

    Does your blower ever do that?
    It does if it has been sitting for awhile, all most like the battery >>>>>> needs to wake up from sleep mode?

    What is your definition of "sitting for awhile"?

    Mine does it while running. As I described, it sometimes pauses when I try to increase
    the speed. The opposite of "waking up", mine takes a short nap. ;-) >>>>>
    I guess it's back to Lowes for an exchange.

    What a pain.
    Might go to EGO website and check

    https://partnerschervon.force.com/egocommunity/s/

    that is discussion place might find answer and avoid a trip to the
    store.

    Thanks, but nothing found.

    No Articles or Discussions related to my model number and no Articles or Discussions
    related to my symptoms occurring on other models.

    The closest was a couple of models turning off when Turbo button was pressed, but
    that's not my issue.
    Cannot really feel I can give you anything, mine is an earlier model.
    Sorry but I do not know is the best I can do.

    Thanks for trying. I appreciate the link.

    And thanks for suggesting the Ego. Expensive, but it has as much power as my corded Ridgid as well as many features that my Ridgid does not. I like it
    a lot, other than this annoying issue.

    I'll give Ego customer service a call and see what they say before I take it back
    for an exchange.

    Calling Ego is probably going to be a waste of time as they will tell
    you it is normal or defective. And if they say normal that would piss
    me off enough to return it for another brand. Or they will tell you to
    return it to the store for a refund or exchange. Either way you are
    going to have to return the unit.

    I would simply return it and get another.

    So, I wasted a grand total of about 1 minute by calling Ego.

    The nice lady said to return it and get another one. It's not designed to "pause"
    when the trigger is pressed.

    At least now I know what to expect from the replacement. If it does the same thing then Ego has an issue to deal with.

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