On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotActually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?
earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll update my gate thread with pictures soon.
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotActually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotActually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?
earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping. >> I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
I'll likely be rebuilding my gate. My son's dogs pushed their way
through the one that the builder installed when we moved in 11 years
ago. I'll be using that gate kit I gave you a link to.
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotActually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and >>> earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction >>> workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch >>> of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I >>> think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping. >> I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the >fit.Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for): <https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotActually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and >> >>> earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction >> >>> workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch >> >>> of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I >> >>> think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours). >> >>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll >> >> update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:21:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotActually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?
earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch >> >>> of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his >> >>> dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I >> >>> think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours). >> >>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll >> >> update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the >> >fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
Measure once. Cut twice?
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotActually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and >>>>> earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction >>>>> workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch >>>>> of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his >>>>> dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I >>>>> think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours). >>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping. >>>> I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll >>>> update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:21:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:Measure once. Cut twice?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours). >>>>>
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and >>>>>> earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction >>>>>> workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch >>>>>> of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >>>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his >>>>>> dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I >>>>>> think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >>>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll >>>>> update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the >>>> fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotActually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?
earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch >> >>>>> of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his >> >>>>> dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I >> >>>>> think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours). >> >>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll >> >>>> update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the >> >>> fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler
version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
I'm not surprised to hear about the Asian buy-out. While reading some of the >text descriptions of their tools, I noticed a few phrases that did not appear to
be translated very smoothly. Phrasing like the following is a typical indication
of an Asian (or at least not US-based) company.
"We are confident that the Compass RG-1 and RG-2 will be your lovely buddies >for your safe and enjoyable woodworking."
On 6/13/2022 7:47 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:21:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:Measure once. Cut twice?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require >>>> cut-n-try.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours). >>>>>>
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and >>>>>>> earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction >>>>>>> workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch >>>>>>> of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >>>>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his >>>>>>> dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I >>>>>>> think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >>>>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll >>>>>> update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >>>>> replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >>>>> faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the >>>>> fit.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than >>>> I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
OMG!!! Harvey/BridgeCity is giving WoodPecker a run for their money on
over engineered half baked designs.
https://www.harveywoodworking.com/products/universal-roller-guide?variant=42337970815194
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours). >>>>>
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and >>>>>> earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction >>>>>> workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch >>>>>> of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >>>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his >>>>>> dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I >>>>>> think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >>>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll >>>>> update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the >>>> fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler
version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours). >>>>
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and >>>>> earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction >>>>> workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch >>>>> of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his >>>>> dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I >>>>> think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll >>>> update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the >>> fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better
explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler
version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:16:26 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Chinglish.
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require >> >> >> cut-n-try.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >> >> >>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >> >> >>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >> >> >>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >> >> >>> replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >> >> >>> faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than >> >> >> I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of >> >> cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler
version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
I'm not surprised to hear about the Asian buy-out. While reading some of the
text descriptions of their tools, I noticed a few phrases that did not appear to
be translated very smoothly. Phrasing like the following is a typical indication
of an Asian (or at least not US-based) company.
"We are confident that the Compass RG-1 and RG-2 will be your lovely buddies
for your safe and enjoyable woodworking."
Not that there's anything wrong with having a couple of more lovely buddies.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:16:26 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 9:59:37 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require >> >> cut-n-try.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotActually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?
earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >> >>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >> >>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >> >>> replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >> >>> faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than >> >> I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler
version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
I'm not surprised to hear about the Asian buy-out. While reading some of the >text descriptions of their tools, I noticed a few phrases that did not appear to
be translated very smoothly. Phrasing like the following is a typical indication
of an Asian (or at least not US-based) company.
"We are confident that the Compass RG-1 and RG-2 will be your lovely buddies >for your safe and enjoyable woodworking."Chinglish.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:05:06 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 7:47 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:21:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Measure once. Cut twice?
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require >>>>> cut-n-try.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours). >>>>>>>
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch >>>>>>>> of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >>>>>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his >>>>>>>> dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I >>>>>>>> think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >>>>>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll >>>>>>> update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >>>>>> replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >>>>>> faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the >>>>>> fit.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than >>>>> I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
OMG!!! Harvey/BridgeCity is giving WoodPecker a run for their money on
over engineered half baked designs.
https://www.harveywoodworking.com/products/universal-roller-guide?variant=42337970815194
Just a featherboard? At least the JessEm functions on both axis.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require >>>> cut-n-try.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours). >>>>>>
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and >>>>>>> earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction >>>>>>> workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch >>>>>>> of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >>>>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his >>>>>>> dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I >>>>>>> think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >>>>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll >>>>>> update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >>>>> replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >>>>> faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the >>>>> fit.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than >>>> I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler
version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that
point, it's hardly worth building on
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require >>>>> cut-n-try.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours). >>>>>>>
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch >>>>>>>> of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >>>>>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his >>>>>>>> dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I >>>>>>>> think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >>>>>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll >>>>>>> update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >>>>>> replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >>>>>> faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the >>>>>> fit.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than >>>>> I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler
version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC >>> they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that
point, it's hardly worth building on
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
On 6/14/2022 9:31 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:05:06 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 7:47 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:21:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Measure once. Cut twice?
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require >>>>>> cut-n-try.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >>>>>>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his >>>>>>>>> dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >>>>>>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >>>>>>> replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >>>>>>> faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the >>>>>>> fit.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than >>>>>> I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
OMG!!! Harvey/BridgeCity is giving WoodPecker a run for their money on >>> over engineered half baked designs.
https://www.harveywoodworking.com/products/universal-roller-guide?variant=42337970815194
Just a featherboard? At least the JessEm functions on both axis.
And no limit to width if you are talking about the Jessem Clear cut device.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:11:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require >>>>>> cut-n-try.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently?Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
earlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >>>>>>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his >>>>>>>>> dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >>>>>>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >>>>>>> replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >>>>>>> faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the >>>>>>> fit.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than >>>>>> I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of >>>> cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler
version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC >>>> they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that
point, it's hardly worth building on
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
Kinda, sorta, but that was almost my point.
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
Yes. Banggood has a pile of Woodpecker knock-offs (right down to the
color) too, if you're into Chinese knock-offs.
On 6/14/2022 9:23 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:11:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require >>>>>>> cut-n-try.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>>>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently? >>>>>>>>>> Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year andearlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >>>>>>>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >>>>>>>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >>>>>>>> replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >>>>>>>> faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than >>>>>>> I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of >>>>> cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler
version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC >>>>> they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that
point, it's hardly worth building on
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
Kinda, sorta, but that was almost my point.
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
Yes. Banggood has a pile of Woodpecker knock-offs (right down to the
color) too, if you're into Chinese knock-offs.
I am normally not into the Chinese copy cat products but Woodpeckers is >coming out with stuff that a relatively experienced wood worker easily
and immediately finds problems
with.
The new miter sled cannot be used with a conventional sacrificial fence.
It does afford you the ability to set a distance to cut and supposedly
be able to change the angle of cut and the length remain the same.
That is the big innovation. But I do not see any real value with that.
How often do you change the angle and want to cut the exact same
distance??? If you are cutting a molding to go around a 4"x4" square
box, you cut 45 degrees at X length. If that 4" x 4" box becomes
5,6,7. or more sided the length has to change. The Woodpecker sled is a >solution to what is not a problem.
And now Woodpeckers has copied the Dubby sled that has been around for >decades. They apparently found that their sled was not going to sell
with out a sacrificial fence of some sort. They copied the Dubby >sacrificial fence extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZFY8hBhDm0
And now the woodpecker fence is worthy but at more than double, close to >triple the price of a Dubby. $499 for 1 and $999 for left and right.
Dubby $199 for 1 and $349 for left and right.
I am all for buying American manufactured products, on some things, but >paying triple for virtually the same thing, no.
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:52:19 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:23 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Dubby isn't Chinese, either. IIRC, it's a small, shop. I'd put Dubby
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:11:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require >>>>>>>> cut-n-try.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently? >>>>>>>>>>> Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year andearlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >>>>>>>>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston. >>>>>>>>>>
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >>>>>>>>> replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >>>>>>>>> faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than >>>>>>>> I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of >>>>>> cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler >>>>>> version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC >>>>>> they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that >>>>> point, it's hardly worth building on
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
Kinda, sorta, but that was almost my point.
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
Yes. Banggood has a pile of Woodpecker knock-offs (right down to the
color) too, if you're into Chinese knock-offs.
I am normally not into the Chinese copy cat products but Woodpeckers is
coming out with stuff that a relatively experienced wood worker easily
and immediately finds problems
with.
The new miter sled cannot be used with a conventional sacrificial fence.
It does afford you the ability to set a distance to cut and supposedly
be able to change the angle of cut and the length remain the same.
That is the big innovation. But I do not see any real value with that.
How often do you change the angle and want to cut the exact same
distance??? If you are cutting a molding to go around a 4"x4" square
box, you cut 45 degrees at X length. If that 4" x 4" box becomes
5,6,7. or more sided the length has to change. The Woodpecker sled is a
solution to what is not a problem.
And now Woodpeckers has copied the Dubby sled that has been around for
decades. They apparently found that their sled was not going to sell
with out a sacrificial fence of some sort. They copied the Dubby
sacrificial fence extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZFY8hBhDm0
And now the woodpecker fence is worthy but at more than double, close to
triple the price of a Dubby. $499 for 1 and $999 for left and right.
Dubby $199 for 1 and $349 for left and right.
above Woodpeckers, on that scale. I have the right one. Peachtree
didn't have the left or the combination when I was there. AIUI, Dubby stopped making them for a while.
I am all for buying American manufactured products, on some things, but
paying triple for virtually the same thing, no.
Right. The triple doesn't even bother me all that much as long as
there is some redeeming value. I have the Woodpeckers track-saw
parallel guide. It works very well (better than the Festool, IMO) and
is well made (better than the Festool, IMO). The Woodpeckers is just
under $400, while the Banggood is just above $100. They look
identical, again, right down to the color.
Even more surprising, the Festool parallel guide is $375.
Then there is this:
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ez-edge-corner-plane.html>
and
<https://www.banggood.com/HONGDUI-Woodworking-Chamfer-Plane-with-3-Replacement-Carbide-Insert-Double-Cutter-Edge-Corner-Plane-Chamfering-Planer-for-Quick-Edge-Trimming-of-Wood-p-1876760.html?cur_warehouse=USA&rmmds=search>
With carbide blades.
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:52:19 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/15/2022 8:51 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:52:19 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
this is funny, Banggood is already offering this. IIRC Woodpeckers
came out with this in the last week or two.
https://www.banggood.com/VEIKO-Aluminum-Alloy-300mm-Angle-Positioning-T-Square-Posi-Lock-Ruler-Woodworking-Edge-Ruler-Angle-Measure-Ruler-Scriber-Carpentry-Tool-p-1907927.html?cur_warehouse=CN&ID=515969&rmmds=search
Have you seen this guy? He reviews the Banggood products.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGGKtE_KDBM&t=37s
This guy looks good too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJqOVQtYPNA
And apparently there is Aliexpress vs Banggood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOY6M_wg0y8
On 6/15/2022 8:51 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:52:19 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:23 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Dubby isn't Chinese, either. IIRC, it's a small, shop. I'd put Dubby
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:11:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently? >>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year andearlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time >>>>>>>>>>>> about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that >>>>>>>>>> replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly >>>>>>>>>> faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of >>>>>>> cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler >>>>>>> version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that >>>>>> point, it's hardly worth building on
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
Kinda, sorta, but that was almost my point.
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
Yes. Banggood has a pile of Woodpecker knock-offs (right down to the
color) too, if you're into Chinese knock-offs.
I am normally not into the Chinese copy cat products but Woodpeckers is
coming out with stuff that a relatively experienced wood worker easily
and immediately finds problems
with.
The new miter sled cannot be used with a conventional sacrificial fence. >>> It does afford you the ability to set a distance to cut and supposedly >>> be able to change the angle of cut and the length remain the same.
That is the big innovation. But I do not see any real value with that.
How often do you change the angle and want to cut the exact same
distance??? If you are cutting a molding to go around a 4"x4" square
box, you cut 45 degrees at X length. If that 4" x 4" box becomes
5,6,7. or more sided the length has to change. The Woodpecker sled is a
solution to what is not a problem.
And now Woodpeckers has copied the Dubby sled that has been around for
decades. They apparently found that their sled was not going to sell
with out a sacrificial fence of some sort. They copied the Dubby
sacrificial fence extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZFY8hBhDm0
And now the woodpecker fence is worthy but at more than double, close to >>> triple the price of a Dubby. $499 for 1 and $999 for left and right.
Dubby $199 for 1 and $349 for left and right.
above Woodpeckers, on that scale. I have the right one. Peachtree
didn't have the left or the combination when I was there. AIUI, Dubby
stopped making them for a while.
I think In-Line industries ran out of materials. IIRC I got an email
from them last year some time stating that they how had such and such
back in stock. I bought the left and right in 2000, IIRC. Then in
2013 when I bought the SawStop I had to replace one of the basses on one >side.
Anyway I have always bought direct from In-Line.
I am all for buying American manufactured products, on some things, but
paying triple for virtually the same thing, no.
Right. The triple doesn't even bother me all that much as long as
there is some redeeming value. I have the Woodpeckers track-saw
parallel guide. It works very well (better than the Festool, IMO) and
is well made (better than the Festool, IMO). The Woodpeckers is just
under $400, while the Banggood is just above $100. They look
identical, again, right down to the color.
YES!! The Woodpecker parallel guides are much better than the Festool >guides. I don't know this from experience but the Festool guides are a
RPIA to install and adjust. I have had the Festool guides since 2010.
Swingman and I did a major kitchen rehab and he got a set for both of
us. I can count on one hand how many times I have used them. Since
the Festool tracks pretty much stay put I only use the Wood-peckers pro
story sticks to set up the tracks.
Even more surprising, the Festool parallel guide is $375.
Yes, I would not own a set if they had not been built into the cost of
the kitchen job.
Then there is this:
<https://www.woodpeck.com/ez-edge-corner-plane.html>
and
<https://www.banggood.com/HONGDUI-Woodworking-Chamfer-Plane-with-3-Replacement-Carbide-Insert-Double-Cutter-Edge-Corner-Plane-Chamfering-Planer-for-Quick-Edge-Trimming-of-Wood-p-1876760.html?cur_warehouse=USA&rmmds=search>
With carbide blades.
Yeah! I suppose that Woodpeckers could blame the price difference to >recoup R&D. I doubt Bang Good is doing much of that. ;~)
BUT Woodpeckers "New" tools don't seem to be well though out either.
I do like the Exact 90 miter gauge however. The flip stop could be
better but I actually used the "Flop Stop" on that miter gauge on my
last job. I needed to cut a panel 23" wide by 27" long and the miter
gauge was extended about a foot out in front of the saw table.
Everything was solid and no play when I walked away to take a picture.
The miter fence did not tilt down nor catch on the saw top as it passed
over the front edge of the saw table.
I am wondering when Woodpeckers will offer a $700 set of commonly used >attachable jigs for commonly cut angles to use with the Exact 90. I
guess the new sleds are the answer for other than 90 degree miter cuts.
On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 08:13:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/15/2022 8:51 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:52:19 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:23 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Dubby isn't Chinese, either. IIRC, it's a small, shop. I'd put Dubby
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:11:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better >>>>>>>> explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and got >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year andearlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler >>>>>>>> version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that >>>>>>> point, it's hardly worth building on
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
Kinda, sorta, but that was almost my point.
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
Yes. Banggood has a pile of Woodpecker knock-offs (right down to the >>>>> color) too, if you're into Chinese knock-offs.
I am normally not into the Chinese copy cat products but Woodpeckers is >>>> coming out with stuff that a relatively experienced wood worker easily >>>> and immediately finds problems
with.
The new miter sled cannot be used with a conventional sacrificial fence. >>>> It does afford you the ability to set a distance to cut and supposedly >>>> be able to change the angle of cut and the length remain the same.
That is the big innovation. But I do not see any real value with that. >>>> How often do you change the angle and want to cut the exact same
distance??? If you are cutting a molding to go around a 4"x4" square >>>> box, you cut 45 degrees at X length. If that 4" x 4" box becomes
5,6,7. or more sided the length has to change. The Woodpecker sled is a >>>> solution to what is not a problem.
And now Woodpeckers has copied the Dubby sled that has been around for >>>> decades. They apparently found that their sled was not going to sell >>>> with out a sacrificial fence of some sort. They copied the Dubby
sacrificial fence extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZFY8hBhDm0
And now the woodpecker fence is worthy but at more than double, close to >>>> triple the price of a Dubby. $499 for 1 and $999 for left and right.
Dubby $199 for 1 and $349 for left and right.
above Woodpeckers, on that scale. I have the right one. Peachtree
didn't have the left or the combination when I was there. AIUI, Dubby
stopped making them for a while.
I think In-Line industries ran out of materials. IIRC I got an email >>from them last year some time stating that they how had such and such
back in stock. I bought the left and right in 2000, IIRC. Then in
2013 when I bought the SawStop I had to replace one of the basses on one
side.
Anyway I have always bought direct from In-Line.
They didn't have any with no expectation of shipping dates. The
implication was that they were no longer selling them. I saw the
right-side version at Peachtree shortly after and bought it.
I am all for buying American manufactured products, on some things, but >>>> paying triple for virtually the same thing, no.
Right. The triple doesn't even bother me all that much as long as
there is some redeeming value. I have the Woodpeckers track-saw
parallel guide. It works very well (better than the Festool, IMO) and
is well made (better than the Festool, IMO). The Woodpeckers is just
under $400, while the Banggood is just above $100. They look
identical, again, right down to the color.
YES!! The Woodpecker parallel guides are much better than the Festool
guides. I don't know this from experience but the Festool guides are a
RPIA to install and adjust. I have had the Festool guides since 2010.
Swingman and I did a major kitchen rehab and he got a set for both of
us. I can count on one hand how many times I have used them. Since
the Festool tracks pretty much stay put I only use the Wood-peckers pro
story sticks to set up the tracks.
That sounds like a PITA too. You ought to pick up one of these.
They're very nice and easy to set up.
On 6/16/2022 10:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 08:13:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/15/2022 8:51 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:52:19 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:23 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Dubby isn't Chinese, either. IIRC, it's a small, shop. I'd put Dubby >>>> above Woodpeckers, on that scale. I have the right one. Peachtree
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:11:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better >>>>>>>>> explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotearlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler >>>>>>>>> version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that >>>>>>>> point, it's hardly worth building on
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
Kinda, sorta, but that was almost my point.
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
Yes. Banggood has a pile of Woodpecker knock-offs (right down to the >>>>>> color) too, if you're into Chinese knock-offs.
I am normally not into the Chinese copy cat products but Woodpeckers is >>>>> coming out with stuff that a relatively experienced wood worker easily >>>>> and immediately finds problems
with.
The new miter sled cannot be used with a conventional sacrificial fence. >>>>> It does afford you the ability to set a distance to cut and supposedly >>>>> be able to change the angle of cut and the length remain the same.
That is the big innovation. But I do not see any real value with that. >>>>> How often do you change the angle and want to cut the exact same >>>>> distance??? If you are cutting a molding to go around a 4"x4" square >>>>> box, you cut 45 degrees at X length. If that 4" x 4" box becomes
5,6,7. or more sided the length has to change. The Woodpecker sled is a >>>>> solution to what is not a problem.
And now Woodpeckers has copied the Dubby sled that has been around for >>>>> decades. They apparently found that their sled was not going to sell >>>>> with out a sacrificial fence of some sort. They copied the Dubby
sacrificial fence extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZFY8hBhDm0
And now the woodpecker fence is worthy but at more than double, close to >>>>> triple the price of a Dubby. $499 for 1 and $999 for left and right. >>>>> Dubby $199 for 1 and $349 for left and right.
didn't have the left or the combination when I was there. AIUI, Dubby >>>> stopped making them for a while.
I think In-Line industries ran out of materials. IIRC I got an email >>>from them last year some time stating that they how had such and such
back in stock. I bought the left and right in 2000, IIRC. Then in
2013 when I bought the SawStop I had to replace one of the basses on one >>> side.
Anyway I have always bought direct from In-Line.
They didn't have any with no expectation of shipping dates. The
implication was that they were no longer selling them. I saw the
right-side version at Peachtree shortly after and bought it.
I am all for buying American manufactured products, on some things, but >>>>> paying triple for virtually the same thing, no.
Right. The triple doesn't even bother me all that much as long as
there is some redeeming value. I have the Woodpeckers track-saw
parallel guide. It works very well (better than the Festool, IMO) and >>>> is well made (better than the Festool, IMO). The Woodpeckers is just
under $400, while the Banggood is just above $100. They look
identical, again, right down to the color.
YES!! The Woodpecker parallel guides are much better than the Festool
guides. I don't know this from experience but the Festool guides are a >>> RPIA to install and adjust. I have had the Festool guides since 2010.
Swingman and I did a major kitchen rehab and he got a set for both of
us. I can count on one hand how many times I have used them. Since
the Festool tracks pretty much stay put I only use the Wood-peckers pro
story sticks to set up the tracks.
That sounds like a PITA too. You ought to pick up one of these.
They're very nice and easy to set up.
The story sticks have a plastic stop/extension/marking spot. I place
its stops, at both ends where I want it and make a pencil mark or slide
the rail up tot eh plastic tab.
My issue with the "two" indexing stops on the Festool and the
alternatives is that they are both adjusted separately and do not lock
in at any exact point. One side could be on side of the incremental
mark and the other side could be closer to the opposite side of the >incremental mark. I only use one adjustment for the stop with the
story stick and the stop tabs protrude on both sides of the stick so the >marks are precisely in the same spot for both sides.
Now I will admit that is is some what being anal but if the double
extension stops on the Festool or the alternatives are not properly >calibrated after putting them on and off multiple times the scales could
be off too.
And probably my biggest problem with this type of set up is a long, long >enough to rip a 8' long sheet of plywood, is enough of a PIA by itself.
Adding a stop guide to both ends makes it more problematic for me.
The set up needs more room when moving it out of the way to set up for
the next sheet. Just my experience and how I handle the sheets.
No doubt the woodpecker "style" is superior to the Festool as far as >attachment goes.
The way I do it, with out guides, is quick and for me accurate enough.
Quicker still........
No guides at all and only mark one side of the panel and then use a
square to hold the track perpendicular to the edge at the single mark.
Yes the squares are pricey themselves but.....
This idea but instead use a piece of square cut plywood the size of
Festool Multi Routing jig in the video and a fence attached on the
bottom edge like in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfUhYOvJxfs
With about $25 worth of plywood and a hardwood strip to index against
the sheet as a fence and you are good to go.
On 6/16/2022 10:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 08:13:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/15/2022 8:51 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:52:19 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:23 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Dubby isn't Chinese, either. IIRC, it's a small, shop. I'd put Dubby >>>> above Woodpeckers, on that scale. I have the right one. Peachtree
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:11:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better >>>>>>>>> explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotearlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler >>>>>>>>> version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that >>>>>>>> point, it's hardly worth building on
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
Kinda, sorta, but that was almost my point.
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
Yes. Banggood has a pile of Woodpecker knock-offs (right down to the >>>>>> color) too, if you're into Chinese knock-offs.
I am normally not into the Chinese copy cat products but Woodpeckers is >>>>> coming out with stuff that a relatively experienced wood worker easily >>>>> and immediately finds problems
with.
The new miter sled cannot be used with a conventional sacrificial fence. >>>>> It does afford you the ability to set a distance to cut and supposedly >>>>> be able to change the angle of cut and the length remain the same.
That is the big innovation. But I do not see any real value with that. >>>>> How often do you change the angle and want to cut the exact same >>>>> distance??? If you are cutting a molding to go around a 4"x4" square >>>>> box, you cut 45 degrees at X length. If that 4" x 4" box becomes
5,6,7. or more sided the length has to change. The Woodpecker sled is a >>>>> solution to what is not a problem.
And now Woodpeckers has copied the Dubby sled that has been around for >>>>> decades. They apparently found that their sled was not going to sell >>>>> with out a sacrificial fence of some sort. They copied the Dubby
sacrificial fence extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZFY8hBhDm0
And now the woodpecker fence is worthy but at more than double, close to >>>>> triple the price of a Dubby. $499 for 1 and $999 for left and right. >>>>> Dubby $199 for 1 and $349 for left and right.
didn't have the left or the combination when I was there. AIUI, Dubby >>>> stopped making them for a while.
I think In-Line industries ran out of materials. IIRC I got an email >>>from them last year some time stating that they how had such and such
back in stock. I bought the left and right in 2000, IIRC. Then in
2013 when I bought the SawStop I had to replace one of the basses on one >>> side.
Anyway I have always bought direct from In-Line.
They didn't have any with no expectation of shipping dates. The
implication was that they were no longer selling them. I saw the
right-side version at Peachtree shortly after and bought it.
I am all for buying American manufactured products, on some things, but >>>>> paying triple for virtually the same thing, no.
Right. The triple doesn't even bother me all that much as long as
there is some redeeming value. I have the Woodpeckers track-saw
parallel guide. It works very well (better than the Festool, IMO) and >>>> is well made (better than the Festool, IMO). The Woodpeckers is just
under $400, while the Banggood is just above $100. They look
identical, again, right down to the color.
YES!! The Woodpecker parallel guides are much better than the Festool
guides. I don't know this from experience but the Festool guides are a >>> RPIA to install and adjust. I have had the Festool guides since 2010.
Swingman and I did a major kitchen rehab and he got a set for both of
us. I can count on one hand how many times I have used them. Since
the Festool tracks pretty much stay put I only use the Wood-peckers pro
story sticks to set up the tracks.
That sounds like a PITA too. You ought to pick up one of these.
They're very nice and easy to set up.
The story sticks have a plastic stop/extension/marking spot. I place
its stops, at both ends where I want it and make a pencil mark or slide
the rail up tot eh plastic tab.
My issue with the "two" indexing stops on the Festool and the
alternatives is that they are both adjusted separately and do not lock
in at any exact point. One side could be on side of the incremental
mark and the other side could be closer to the opposite side of the >incremental mark. I only use one adjustment for the stop with the
story stick and the stop tabs protrude on both sides of the stick so the >marks are precisely in the same spot for both sides.
Now I will admit that is is some what being anal but if the double
extension stops on the Festool or the alternatives are not properly >calibrated after putting them on and off multiple times the scales could
be off too.
And probably my biggest problem with this type of set up is a long, long >enough to rip a 8' long sheet of plywood, is enough of a PIA by itself.
Adding a stop guide to both ends makes it more problematic for me.
The set up needs more room when moving it out of the way to set up for
the next sheet. Just my experience and how I handle the sheets.
No doubt the woodpecker "style" is superior to the Festool as far as >attachment goes.
The way I do it, with out guides, is quick and for me accurate enough.
Quicker still........
No guides at all and only mark one side of the panel and then use a
square to hold the track perpendicular to the edge at the single mark.
Yes the squares are pricey themselves but.....
This idea but instead use a piece of square cut plywood the size of
Festool Multi Routing jig in the video and a fence attached on the
bottom edge like in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfUhYOvJxfs
With about $25 worth of plywood and a hardwood strip to index against
the sheet as a fence and you are good to go.
On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 11:36:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/16/2022 10:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The reason the BangGood stuff looks identical to the high end brand
On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 08:13:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/15/2022 8:51 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:52:19 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:23 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Dubby isn't Chinese, either. IIRC, it's a small, shop. I'd put Dubby >>>>> above Woodpeckers, on that scale. I have the right one. Peachtree
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:11:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better >>>>>>>>>> explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotearlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler >>>>>>>>>> version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that >>>>>>>>> point, it's hardly worth building on
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
Kinda, sorta, but that was almost my point.
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
Yes. Banggood has a pile of Woodpecker knock-offs (right down to the >>>>>>> color) too, if you're into Chinese knock-offs.
I am normally not into the Chinese copy cat products but Woodpeckers is >>>>>> coming out with stuff that a relatively experienced wood worker easily >>>>>> and immediately finds problems
with.
The new miter sled cannot be used with a conventional sacrificial fence. >>>>>> It does afford you the ability to set a distance to cut and supposedly
be able to change the angle of cut and the length remain the same. >>>>>> That is the big innovation. But I do not see any real value with that. >>>>>> How often do you change the angle and want to cut the exact same >>>>>> distance??? If you are cutting a molding to go around a 4"x4" square >>>>>> box, you cut 45 degrees at X length. If that 4" x 4" box becomes >>>>>> 5,6,7. or more sided the length has to change. The Woodpecker sled is a >>>>>> solution to what is not a problem.
And now Woodpeckers has copied the Dubby sled that has been around for >>>>>> decades. They apparently found that their sled was not going to sell >>>>>> with out a sacrificial fence of some sort. They copied the Dubby >>>>>> sacrificial fence extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZFY8hBhDm0
And now the woodpecker fence is worthy but at more than double, close to >>>>>> triple the price of a Dubby. $499 for 1 and $999 for left and right. >>>>>> Dubby $199 for 1 and $349 for left and right.
didn't have the left or the combination when I was there. AIUI, Dubby >>>>> stopped making them for a while.
I think In-Line industries ran out of materials. IIRC I got an email >>>>from them last year some time stating that they how had such and such
back in stock. I bought the left and right in 2000, IIRC. Then in
2013 when I bought the SawStop I had to replace one of the basses on one >>>> side.
Anyway I have always bought direct from In-Line.
They didn't have any with no expectation of shipping dates. The
implication was that they were no longer selling them. I saw the
right-side version at Peachtree shortly after and bought it.
I am all for buying American manufactured products, on some things, but >>>>>> paying triple for virtually the same thing, no.
Right. The triple doesn't even bother me all that much as long as
there is some redeeming value. I have the Woodpeckers track-saw
parallel guide. It works very well (better than the Festool, IMO) and >>>>> is well made (better than the Festool, IMO). The Woodpeckers is just >>>>> under $400, while the Banggood is just above $100. They look
identical, again, right down to the color.
YES!! The Woodpecker parallel guides are much better than the Festool >>>> guides. I don't know this from experience but the Festool guides are a >>>> RPIA to install and adjust. I have had the Festool guides since 2010. >>>> Swingman and I did a major kitchen rehab and he got a set for both of >>>> us. I can count on one hand how many times I have used them. Since >>>> the Festool tracks pretty much stay put I only use the Wood-peckers pro >>>> story sticks to set up the tracks.
That sounds like a PITA too. You ought to pick up one of these.
They're very nice and easy to set up.
The story sticks have a plastic stop/extension/marking spot. I place
its stops, at both ends where I want it and make a pencil mark or slide
the rail up tot eh plastic tab.
My issue with the "two" indexing stops on the Festool and the
alternatives is that they are both adjusted separately and do not lock
in at any exact point. One side could be on side of the incremental
mark and the other side could be closer to the opposite side of the >>incremental mark. I only use one adjustment for the stop with the
story stick and the stop tabs protrude on both sides of the stick so the >>marks are precisely in the same spot for both sides.
Now I will admit that is is some what being anal but if the double >>extension stops on the Festool or the alternatives are not properly >>calibrated after putting them on and off multiple times the scales could
be off too.
And probably my biggest problem with this type of set up is a long, long >>enough to rip a 8' long sheet of plywood, is enough of a PIA by itself.
Adding a stop guide to both ends makes it more problematic for me.
The set up needs more room when moving it out of the way to set up for
the next sheet. Just my experience and how I handle the sheets.
No doubt the woodpecker "style" is superior to the Festool as far as >>attachment goes.
The way I do it, with out guides, is quick and for me accurate enough.
Quicker still........
No guides at all and only mark one side of the panel and then use a
square to hold the track perpendicular to the edge at the single mark.
Yes the squares are pricey themselves but.....
This idea but instead use a piece of square cut plywood the size of
Festool Multi Routing jig in the video and a fence attached on the
bottom edge like in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfUhYOvJxfs
With about $25 worth of plywood and a hardwood strip to index against
the sheet as a fence and you are good to go.
name stuff is the high enf brand name stuff is either "made in China"
or "Made in the USA of world sourced(read that as Chinese) parts.
The chinese will make 10,000 for their american customer and another
10,000 to sell for pennies on the dollar, world-wide, under a "chinese >knock-off" brand.
First hand experience with computer cases - we paid for ther design
work and the mouls for the plastic - the whole works - and before we
got our first full shipment they were advertised in "Asian Sources
Computer" magazine for about 10 cents on the dollar what we were
paying ---- Made on OUR MOLDS.
Banditos aren't just Mexican!!!!
On 6/16/2022 10:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 08:13:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/15/2022 8:51 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:52:19 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:23 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Dubby isn't Chinese, either. IIRC, it's a small, shop. I'd put Dubby >>>> above Woodpeckers, on that scale. I have the right one. Peachtree
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:11:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better >>>>>>>>> explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotearlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler >>>>>>>>> version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that >>>>>>>> point, it's hardly worth building on
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
Kinda, sorta, but that was almost my point.
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
Yes. Banggood has a pile of Woodpecker knock-offs (right down to the >>>>>> color) too, if you're into Chinese knock-offs.
I am normally not into the Chinese copy cat products but Woodpeckers is >>>>> coming out with stuff that a relatively experienced wood worker easily >>>>> and immediately finds problems
with.
The new miter sled cannot be used with a conventional sacrificial fence. >>>>> It does afford you the ability to set a distance to cut and supposedly >>>>> be able to change the angle of cut and the length remain the same.
That is the big innovation. But I do not see any real value with that. >>>>> How often do you change the angle and want to cut the exact same >>>>> distance??? If you are cutting a molding to go around a 4"x4" square >>>>> box, you cut 45 degrees at X length. If that 4" x 4" box becomes
5,6,7. or more sided the length has to change. The Woodpecker sled is a >>>>> solution to what is not a problem.
And now Woodpeckers has copied the Dubby sled that has been around for >>>>> decades. They apparently found that their sled was not going to sell >>>>> with out a sacrificial fence of some sort. They copied the Dubby
sacrificial fence extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZFY8hBhDm0
And now the woodpecker fence is worthy but at more than double, close to >>>>> triple the price of a Dubby. $499 for 1 and $999 for left and right. >>>>> Dubby $199 for 1 and $349 for left and right.
didn't have the left or the combination when I was there. AIUI, Dubby >>>> stopped making them for a while.
I think In-Line industries ran out of materials. IIRC I got an email >>>from them last year some time stating that they how had such and such
back in stock. I bought the left and right in 2000, IIRC. Then in
2013 when I bought the SawStop I had to replace one of the basses on one >>> side.
Anyway I have always bought direct from In-Line.
They didn't have any with no expectation of shipping dates. The
implication was that they were no longer selling them. I saw the
right-side version at Peachtree shortly after and bought it.
I am all for buying American manufactured products, on some things, but >>>>> paying triple for virtually the same thing, no.
Right. The triple doesn't even bother me all that much as long as
there is some redeeming value. I have the Woodpeckers track-saw
parallel guide. It works very well (better than the Festool, IMO) and >>>> is well made (better than the Festool, IMO). The Woodpeckers is just
under $400, while the Banggood is just above $100. They look
identical, again, right down to the color.
YES!! The Woodpecker parallel guides are much better than the Festool
guides. I don't know this from experience but the Festool guides are a >>> RPIA to install and adjust. I have had the Festool guides since 2010.
Swingman and I did a major kitchen rehab and he got a set for both of
us. I can count on one hand how many times I have used them. Since
the Festool tracks pretty much stay put I only use the Wood-peckers pro
story sticks to set up the tracks.
That sounds like a PITA too. You ought to pick up one of these.
They're very nice and easy to set up.
The story sticks have a plastic stop/extension/marking spot. I place
its stops, at both ends where I want it and make a pencil mark or slide
the rail up tot eh plastic tab.
My issue with the "two" indexing stops on the Festool and the
alternatives is that they are both adjusted separately and do not lock
in at any exact point. One side could be on side of the incremental
mark and the other side could be closer to the opposite side of the >incremental mark. I only use one adjustment for the stop with the
story stick and the stop tabs protrude on both sides of the stick so the >marks are precisely in the same spot for both sides.
Now I will admit that is is some what being anal but if the double
extension stops on the Festool or the alternatives are not properly >calibrated after putting them on and off multiple times the scales could
be off too.
And probably my biggest problem with this type of set up is a long, long >enough to rip a 8' long sheet of plywood, is enough of a PIA by itself.
Adding a stop guide to both ends makes it more problematic for me.
The set up needs more room when moving it out of the way to set up for
the next sheet. Just my experience and how I handle the sheets.
No doubt the woodpecker "style" is superior to the Festool as far as >attachment goes.
The way I do it, with out guides, is quick and for me accurate enough.
Quicker still........
No guides at all and only mark one side of the panel and then use a
square to hold the track perpendicular to the edge at the single mark.
Yes the squares are pricey themselves but.....
This idea but instead use a piece of square cut plywood the size of
Festool Multi Routing jig in the video and a fence attached on the
bottom edge like in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfUhYOvJxfs
With about $25 worth of plywood and a hardwood strip to index against
the sheet as a fence and you are good to go.
On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 11:36:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/16/2022 10:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 08:13:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/15/2022 8:51 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:52:19 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:23 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Dubby isn't Chinese, either. IIRC, it's a small, shop. I'd put Dubby >>>>> above Woodpeckers, on that scale. I have the right one. Peachtree
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:11:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better >>>>>>>>>> explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotearlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler >>>>>>>>>> version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool?
There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that >>>>>>>>> point, it's hardly worth building on
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
Kinda, sorta, but that was almost my point.
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
Yes. Banggood has a pile of Woodpecker knock-offs (right down to the >>>>>>> color) too, if you're into Chinese knock-offs.
I am normally not into the Chinese copy cat products but Woodpeckers is >>>>>> coming out with stuff that a relatively experienced wood worker easily >>>>>> and immediately finds problems
with.
The new miter sled cannot be used with a conventional sacrificial fence. >>>>>> It does afford you the ability to set a distance to cut and supposedly
be able to change the angle of cut and the length remain the same. >>>>>> That is the big innovation. But I do not see any real value with that. >>>>>> How often do you change the angle and want to cut the exact same >>>>>> distance??? If you are cutting a molding to go around a 4"x4" square >>>>>> box, you cut 45 degrees at X length. If that 4" x 4" box becomes >>>>>> 5,6,7. or more sided the length has to change. The Woodpecker sled is a >>>>>> solution to what is not a problem.
And now Woodpeckers has copied the Dubby sled that has been around for >>>>>> decades. They apparently found that their sled was not going to sell >>>>>> with out a sacrificial fence of some sort. They copied the Dubby >>>>>> sacrificial fence extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZFY8hBhDm0
And now the woodpecker fence is worthy but at more than double, close to >>>>>> triple the price of a Dubby. $499 for 1 and $999 for left and right. >>>>>> Dubby $199 for 1 and $349 for left and right.
didn't have the left or the combination when I was there. AIUI, Dubby >>>>> stopped making them for a while.
I think In-Line industries ran out of materials. IIRC I got an email
from them last year some time stating that they how had such and such
back in stock. I bought the left and right in 2000, IIRC. Then in
2013 when I bought the SawStop I had to replace one of the basses on one >>>> side.
Anyway I have always bought direct from In-Line.
They didn't have any with no expectation of shipping dates. The
implication was that they were no longer selling them. I saw the
right-side version at Peachtree shortly after and bought it.
I am all for buying American manufactured products, on some things, but >>>>>> paying triple for virtually the same thing, no.
Right. The triple doesn't even bother me all that much as long as
there is some redeeming value. I have the Woodpeckers track-saw
parallel guide. It works very well (better than the Festool, IMO) and >>>>> is well made (better than the Festool, IMO). The Woodpeckers is just >>>>> under $400, while the Banggood is just above $100. They look
identical, again, right down to the color.
YES!! The Woodpecker parallel guides are much better than the Festool >>>> guides. I don't know this from experience but the Festool guides are a >>>> RPIA to install and adjust. I have had the Festool guides since 2010. >>>> Swingman and I did a major kitchen rehab and he got a set for both of >>>> us. I can count on one hand how many times I have used them. Since >>>> the Festool tracks pretty much stay put I only use the Wood-peckers pro >>>> story sticks to set up the tracks.
That sounds like a PITA too. You ought to pick up one of these.
They're very nice and easy to set up.
The story sticks have a plastic stop/extension/marking spot. I place
its stops, at both ends where I want it and make a pencil mark or slide
the rail up tot eh plastic tab.
My issue with the "two" indexing stops on the Festool and the
alternatives is that they are both adjusted separately and do not lock
in at any exact point. One side could be on side of the incremental
mark and the other side could be closer to the opposite side of the
incremental mark. I only use one adjustment for the stop with the
story stick and the stop tabs protrude on both sides of the stick so the
marks are precisely in the same spot for both sides.
Now I will admit that is is some what being anal but if the double
extension stops on the Festool or the alternatives are not properly
calibrated after putting them on and off multiple times the scales could
be off too.
And probably my biggest problem with this type of set up is a long, long
enough to rip a 8' long sheet of plywood, is enough of a PIA by itself.
Adding a stop guide to both ends makes it more problematic for me.
The set up needs more room when moving it out of the way to set up for
the next sheet. Just my experience and how I handle the sheets.
No doubt the woodpecker "style" is superior to the Festool as far as
attachment goes.
The way I do it, with out guides, is quick and for me accurate enough.
Quicker still........
No guides at all and only mark one side of the panel and then use a
square to hold the track perpendicular to the edge at the single mark.
Yes the squares are pricey themselves but.....
This idea but instead use a piece of square cut plywood the size of
Festool Multi Routing jig in the video and a fence attached on the
bottom edge like in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfUhYOvJxfs
I looked at this closer and it's not the five-side test at all. The
error doesn't add, as it would with a single square. It's really four individual squares, which defeats the whole idea.
On 6/17/2022 11:41 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 11:36:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/16/2022 10:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 08:13:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/15/2022 8:51 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:52:19 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:23 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Dubby isn't Chinese, either. IIRC, it's a small, shop. I'd put Dubby >>>>>> above Woodpeckers, on that scale. I have the right one. Peachtree >>>>>> didn't have the left or the combination when I was there. AIUI, Dubby >>>>>> stopped making them for a while.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:11:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that >>>>>>>>>> point, it's hardly worth building on
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better >>>>>>>>>>> explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotearlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler >>>>>>>>>>> version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool? >>>>>>>>>>
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
Kinda, sorta, but that was almost my point.
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
Yes. Banggood has a pile of Woodpecker knock-offs (right down to the >>>>>>>> color) too, if you're into Chinese knock-offs.
I am normally not into the Chinese copy cat products but Woodpeckers is >>>>>>> coming out with stuff that a relatively experienced wood worker easily >>>>>>> and immediately finds problems
with.
The new miter sled cannot be used with a conventional sacrificial fence.
It does afford you the ability to set a distance to cut and supposedly
be able to change the angle of cut and the length remain the same. >>>>>>> That is the big innovation. But I do not see any real value with that. >>>>>>> How often do you change the angle and want to cut the exact same >>>>>>> distance??? If you are cutting a molding to go around a 4"x4" square >>>>>>> box, you cut 45 degrees at X length. If that 4" x 4" box becomes >>>>>>> 5,6,7. or more sided the length has to change. The Woodpecker sled is a >>>>>>> solution to what is not a problem.
And now Woodpeckers has copied the Dubby sled that has been around for >>>>>>> decades. They apparently found that their sled was not going to sell >>>>>>> with out a sacrificial fence of some sort. They copied the Dubby >>>>>>> sacrificial fence extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZFY8hBhDm0
And now the woodpecker fence is worthy but at more than double, close to
triple the price of a Dubby. $499 for 1 and $999 for left and right. >>>>>>> Dubby $199 for 1 and $349 for left and right.
I think In-Line industries ran out of materials. IIRC I got an email >>>> >from them last year some time stating that they how had such and such >>>>> back in stock. I bought the left and right in 2000, IIRC. Then in >>>>> 2013 when I bought the SawStop I had to replace one of the basses on one >>>>> side.
Anyway I have always bought direct from In-Line.
They didn't have any with no expectation of shipping dates. The
implication was that they were no longer selling them. I saw the
right-side version at Peachtree shortly after and bought it.
I am all for buying American manufactured products, on some things, but >>>>>>> paying triple for virtually the same thing, no.
Right. The triple doesn't even bother me all that much as long as >>>>>> there is some redeeming value. I have the Woodpeckers track-saw
parallel guide. It works very well (better than the Festool, IMO) and >>>>>> is well made (better than the Festool, IMO). The Woodpeckers is just >>>>>> under $400, while the Banggood is just above $100. They look
identical, again, right down to the color.
YES!! The Woodpecker parallel guides are much better than the Festool >>>>> guides. I don't know this from experience but the Festool guides are a >>>>> RPIA to install and adjust. I have had the Festool guides since 2010. >>>>> Swingman and I did a major kitchen rehab and he got a set for both of >>>>> us. I can count on one hand how many times I have used them. Since >>>>> the Festool tracks pretty much stay put I only use the Wood-peckers pro >>>>> story sticks to set up the tracks.
That sounds like a PITA too. You ought to pick up one of these.
They're very nice and easy to set up.
The story sticks have a plastic stop/extension/marking spot. I place
its stops, at both ends where I want it and make a pencil mark or slide
the rail up tot eh plastic tab.
My issue with the "two" indexing stops on the Festool and the
alternatives is that they are both adjusted separately and do not lock
in at any exact point. One side could be on side of the incremental
mark and the other side could be closer to the opposite side of the
incremental mark. I only use one adjustment for the stop with the
story stick and the stop tabs protrude on both sides of the stick so the >>> marks are precisely in the same spot for both sides.
Now I will admit that is is some what being anal but if the double
extension stops on the Festool or the alternatives are not properly
calibrated after putting them on and off multiple times the scales could >>> be off too.
And probably my biggest problem with this type of set up is a long, long >>> enough to rip a 8' long sheet of plywood, is enough of a PIA by itself.
Adding a stop guide to both ends makes it more problematic for me.
The set up needs more room when moving it out of the way to set up for
the next sheet. Just my experience and how I handle the sheets.
No doubt the woodpecker "style" is superior to the Festool as far as
attachment goes.
The way I do it, with out guides, is quick and for me accurate enough.
Quicker still........
No guides at all and only mark one side of the panel and then use a
square to hold the track perpendicular to the edge at the single mark.
Yes the squares are pricey themselves but.....
This idea but instead use a piece of square cut plywood the size of
Festool Multi Routing jig in the video and a fence attached on the
bottom edge like in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfUhYOvJxfs
I looked at this closer and it's not the five-side test at all. The
error doesn't add, as it would with a single square. It's really four
individual squares, which defeats the whole idea.
But in all seriousness it is probably square enough.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 8:47:13 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Measure once. Cut twice?
I cut it twice and it's still too short.
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in news:e1376846-d09a-4162...@googlegroups.com:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 8:47:13 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Measure once. Cut twice?
I cut it twice and it's still too short.
Mathematically speaking, just keep cutting. The length will eventually go negative, which means if you keep cutting the board will eventually get longer.
OL - Cut = NL
OL=Original Length
Cut=Cut off length
NL=New Length
Therefore
OL - -Cut = NL
OL + Cut = NL
You can see from the multi-letter variable names that I'm a computer scientist and not a mathematician, but it all makes sense to me!
Puckdropper
On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 4:40:40 AM UTC-4, Puckdropper wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in
news:e1376846-d09a-4162...@googlegroups.com:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 8:47:13 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Measure once. Cut twice?
I cut it twice and it's still too short.
Mathematically speaking, just keep cutting. The length will eventually go
negative, which means if you keep cutting the board will eventually get
longer.
OL - Cut = NL
OL=Original Length
Cut=Cut off length
NL=New Length
Therefore
OL - -Cut = NL
OL + Cut = NL
You can see from the multi-letter variable names that I'm a computer
scientist and not a mathematician, but it all makes sense to me!
Puckdropper
You know the old riddle about walking halfway across the room and
then halfway from there, etc.? Supposedly you will never reach the
opposite side.
On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 4:40:40 AM UTC-4, Puckdropper wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in
news:e1376846-d09a-4162...@googlegroups.com:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 8:47:13 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Measure once. Cut twice?
I cut it twice and it's still too short.
Mathematically speaking, just keep cutting. The length will eventually go
negative, which means if you keep cutting the board will eventually get
longer.
OL - Cut = NL
OL=Original Length
Cut=Cut off length
NL=New Length
Therefore
OL - -Cut = NL
OL + Cut = NL
You can see from the multi-letter variable names that I'm a computer
scientist and not a mathematician, but it all makes sense to me!
Puckdropper
You know the old riddle about walking halfway across the room and
then halfway from there, etc.? Supposedly you will never reach the
opposite side.
So why did the egg that I dropped make such a mess?
At one point it was halfway to the floor. Then it was halfway from there. >Then half again. How did it ever reach the floor?
On Sun, 19 Jun 2022 05:45:13 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 4:40:40 AM UTC-4, Puckdropper wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in
news:e1376846-d09a-4162...@googlegroups.com:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 8:47:13 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
Measure once. Cut twice?
I cut it twice and it's still too short.
Mathematically speaking, just keep cutting. The length will eventually go >> negative, which means if you keep cutting the board will eventually get
longer.
OL - Cut = NL
OL=Original Length
Cut=Cut off length
NL=New Length
Therefore
OL - -Cut = NL
OL + Cut = NL
You can see from the multi-letter variable names that I'm a computer
scientist and not a mathematician, but it all makes sense to me!
Puckdropper
You know the old riddle about walking halfway across the room andA man and a woman at the opposite ends of the bench move half way...
then halfway from there, etc.? Supposedly you will never reach the
opposite side.
Sooner or later, it's close enough.
So why did the egg that I dropped make such a mess?
At one point it was halfway to the floor. Then it was halfway from there. >Then half again. How did it ever reach the floor?The center of gravity fell half-way to the floor. The egg has a
finite size. Only one side hit the floor.
The center of gravity fell half-way to the floor. The egg has a
finite size. Only one side hit the floor.
On Jun 19, 2022, k...@notreal.com wrote
(in article<6nevahprr51lhv0qa...@4ax.com>):
The center of gravity fell half-way to the floor. The egg has aAny chance of changing the subject line on this thread?
finite size. Only one side hit the floor.
We’ve really moved a LONG way from “What’s Swingman Up To?”
Just curious...
Joe
aka 10x
On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 10:07:08 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/17/2022 11:41 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Probably true for woodworking (a square is good enough) but the
On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 11:36:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/16/2022 10:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 08:13:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/15/2022 8:51 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 09:52:19 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:23 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Dubby isn't Chinese, either. IIRC, it's a small, shop. I'd put Dubby >>>>>>> above Woodpeckers, on that scale. I have the right one. Peachtree >>>>>>> didn't have the left or the combination when I was there. AIUI, Dubby >>>>>>> stopped making them for a while.
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:11:07 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/14/2022 9:33 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:59:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 1:21 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:There is a Chinese version for something like 1/3 the price. At that
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:52:56 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:This tool works well but you need to watch a video for a better >>>>>>>>>>>> explanation of how it actually works, and setting it up for the with of
On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:57:45 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 6/13/2022 8:52 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Given enough money there are a bunch of solutions that may not require
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2022 6:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I was using the dado set he gave me a bunch of years ago and gotearlier this year he was still waiting on "Arkansas Speed" construction
wondering if he was OK. Have you heard from him recently? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I have not heard from him recently, so to speak. Last year and
workers that were repairing the storm damage that knocked down a bunch
of huge trees. Hs is slowly redoing his down sized shop. Some time
about 6~8 months ago he sold his house in Houston although he and his
dog have been living in their Arkansas house for the past 4~5 years. I
think his wife is still living and renting an apartment in Houston.
Thanks. I always appreciated his advice and ideas (As I do with yours).
I was using the Amanda dado set that he gave me for the price of shipping.
I made 2 gates this weekend and used the dado set for one of them. I'll
update my gate thread with pictures soon.
Yes, I recall The Amanna set. He was sold on the Freud dial set that
replaced that one. I still prefer to use shims. The dial is slightly
faster, I think. But you have to still do test cuts and sneak up on the
fit.
cut-n-try.
A Kerf Master works great for normal sized dados (a *lot* cheaper than
I bought them for):
<https://bridgecitytools.com/products/km-2v2-kerfmaker-pro?variant=31458011906161>
I'm confused by the instructions on page 4. ;-)
"Second cut: Position KM-1 between your stock and a damped stop. Cut your first shoulder.
Second cut: Flip the KM-1 over which will move your stock the appropriate distance. Make
second shoulder cut."
I'd be more comfortable making a first and second cut as opposed to two second cuts. ;-)
cut your bit or blade/blades make.
And now there are countless videos that show how to make a simpler >>>>>>>>>>>> version of the kerfmaker.
Bridge City Tools was bought out several years ago, 3~5 IIRC. And IIRC
they are now owned by an Asian based company, Harvey Tool? >>>>>>>>>>>
point, it's hardly worth building on
Well the BCT version is probably Chinese now. ;~)
Kinda, sorta, but that was almost my point.
I think you are probably taking about the BangGood brand.
Yes. Banggood has a pile of Woodpecker knock-offs (right down to the >>>>>>>>> color) too, if you're into Chinese knock-offs.
I am normally not into the Chinese copy cat products but Woodpeckers is
coming out with stuff that a relatively experienced wood worker easily >>>>>>>> and immediately finds problems
with.
The new miter sled cannot be used with a conventional sacrificial fence.
It does afford you the ability to set a distance to cut and supposedly
be able to change the angle of cut and the length remain the same. >>>>>>>> That is the big innovation. But I do not see any real value with that.
How often do you change the angle and want to cut the exact same >>>>>>>> distance??? If you are cutting a molding to go around a 4"x4" square >>>>>>>> box, you cut 45 degrees at X length. If that 4" x 4" box becomes >>>>>>>> 5,6,7. or more sided the length has to change. The Woodpecker sled is a
solution to what is not a problem.
And now Woodpeckers has copied the Dubby sled that has been around for >>>>>>>> decades. They apparently found that their sled was not going to sell >>>>>>>> with out a sacrificial fence of some sort. They copied the Dubby >>>>>>>> sacrificial fence extension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZFY8hBhDm0
And now the woodpecker fence is worthy but at more than double, close to
triple the price of a Dubby. $499 for 1 and $999 for left and right. >>>>>>>> Dubby $199 for 1 and $349 for left and right.
I think In-Line industries ran out of materials. IIRC I got an email >>>>> >from them last year some time stating that they how had such and such >>>>>> back in stock. I bought the left and right in 2000, IIRC. Then in >>>>>> 2013 when I bought the SawStop I had to replace one of the basses on one >>>>>> side.
Anyway I have always bought direct from In-Line.
They didn't have any with no expectation of shipping dates. The
implication was that they were no longer selling them. I saw the
right-side version at Peachtree shortly after and bought it.
I am all for buying American manufactured products, on some things, but
paying triple for virtually the same thing, no.
Right. The triple doesn't even bother me all that much as long as >>>>>>> there is some redeeming value. I have the Woodpeckers track-saw >>>>>>> parallel guide. It works very well (better than the Festool, IMO) and >>>>>>> is well made (better than the Festool, IMO). The Woodpeckers is just >>>>>>> under $400, while the Banggood is just above $100. They look
identical, again, right down to the color.
YES!! The Woodpecker parallel guides are much better than the Festool >>>>>> guides. I don't know this from experience but the Festool guides are a >>>>>> RPIA to install and adjust. I have had the Festool guides since 2010. >>>>>> Swingman and I did a major kitchen rehab and he got a set for both of
us. I can count on one hand how many times I have used them. Since >>>>>> the Festool tracks pretty much stay put I only use the Wood-peckers pro >>>>>> story sticks to set up the tracks.
That sounds like a PITA too. You ought to pick up one of these.
They're very nice and easy to set up.
The story sticks have a plastic stop/extension/marking spot. I place >>>> its stops, at both ends where I want it and make a pencil mark or slide >>>> the rail up tot eh plastic tab.
My issue with the "two" indexing stops on the Festool and the
alternatives is that they are both adjusted separately and do not lock >>>> in at any exact point. One side could be on side of the incremental >>>> mark and the other side could be closer to the opposite side of the
incremental mark. I only use one adjustment for the stop with the
story stick and the stop tabs protrude on both sides of the stick so the >>>> marks are precisely in the same spot for both sides.
Now I will admit that is is some what being anal but if the double
extension stops on the Festool or the alternatives are not properly
calibrated after putting them on and off multiple times the scales could >>>> be off too.
And probably my biggest problem with this type of set up is a long, long >>>> enough to rip a 8' long sheet of plywood, is enough of a PIA by itself. >>>> Adding a stop guide to both ends makes it more problematic for me.
The set up needs more room when moving it out of the way to set up for >>>> the next sheet. Just my experience and how I handle the sheets.
No doubt the woodpecker "style" is superior to the Festool as far as
attachment goes.
The way I do it, with out guides, is quick and for me accurate enough. >>>>
Quicker still........
No guides at all and only mark one side of the panel and then use a
square to hold the track perpendicular to the edge at the single mark. >>>>
Yes the squares are pricey themselves but.....
This idea but instead use a piece of square cut plywood the size of
Festool Multi Routing jig in the video and a fence attached on the
bottom edge like in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfUhYOvJxfs
I looked at this closer and it's not the five-side test at all. The
error doesn't add, as it would with a single square. It's really four
individual squares, which defeats the whole idea.
But in all seriousness it is probably square enough.
exercise isn't useful. Measuring the strip with calipers and
inferring back to angles isn't valid. The geometry doesn't work.
DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> writes:
On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 4:40:40 AM UTC-4, Puckdropper wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in
news:e1376846-d09a-4162...@googlegroups.com:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 8:47:13 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> Measure once. Cut twice?
I cut it twice and it's still too short.
Mathematically speaking, just keep cutting. The length will eventually go >>> negative, which means if you keep cutting the board will eventually get
longer.
OL - Cut = NL
OL=Original Length
Cut=Cut off length
NL=New Length
Therefore
OL - -Cut = NL
OL + Cut = NL
You can see from the multi-letter variable names that I'm a computer
scientist and not a mathematician, but it all makes sense to me!
Puckdropper
You know the old riddle about walking halfway across the room and
then halfway from there, etc.? Supposedly you will never reach the
opposite side.
Also known as Zeno's Dichotomy paradox.
"As one begins adding the terms in the series 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 +
1/16 + 1/32 + 1/64 + ...., one may notice that the sum gets closer
and closer to 1, and will never exceed 1. Aristotle (who is the
source for much of what we know about Zeno) noted that as the
distance (in the dichotomy paradox) decreases, the time to travel
each distance gets exceedingly smaller and smaller. Before 212 BC,
Archimedes had developed a method to get a finite answer for the sum
of infinitely many terms which get progressively smaller (such as 1/2
+ 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + ...). Modern calculus achieves the same result,
using more rigorous methods."
- wikipedia
On 6/19/2022 11:30 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> writes:
On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 4:40:40 AM UTC-4, Puckdropper wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in
news:e1376846-d09a-4162...@googlegroups.com:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 8:47:13 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>> Measure once. Cut twice?
I cut it twice and it's still too short.
Mathematically speaking, just keep cutting. The length will eventually go >>>> negative, which means if you keep cutting the board will eventually get >>>> longer.
OL - Cut = NL
OL=Original Length
Cut=Cut off length
NL=New Length
Therefore
OL - -Cut = NL
OL + Cut = NL
You can see from the multi-letter variable names that I'm a computer
scientist and not a mathematician, but it all makes sense to me!
Puckdropper
You know the old riddle about walking halfway across the room and
then halfway from there, etc.? Supposedly you will never reach the
opposite side.
Also known as Zeno's Dichotomy paradox.
"As one begins adding the terms in the series 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 +
1/16 + 1/32 + 1/64 + ...., one may notice that the sum gets closer
and closer to 1, and will never exceed 1. Aristotle (who is the
source for much of what we know about Zeno) noted that as the
distance (in the dichotomy paradox) decreases, the time to travel
each distance gets exceedingly smaller and smaller. Before 212 BC,
Archimedes had developed a method to get a finite answer for the sum
of infinitely many terms which get progressively smaller (such as 1/2 >> + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + ...). Modern calculus achieves the same result,
using more rigorous methods."
- wikipedia
Sooooo When my son was 1 year old, I was 33 times older, 33 years old.
Now he is 34 years old, I'm 67.
Now I am only twice as old as him.
He is aging faster than me.
Just ignore us. Since I'm such a nice guy, if there actually is a
Swingman update, I'll ping you.
On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 09:17:32 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 6/19/2022 11:30 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> writes:
On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 4:40:40 AM UTC-4, Puckdropper wrote:
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in
news:e1376846-d09a-4162...@googlegroups.com:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 8:47:13 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>> Measure once. Cut twice?
I cut it twice and it's still too short.
Mathematically speaking, just keep cutting. The length will eventually go >>>>> negative, which means if you keep cutting the board will eventually get >>>>> longer.
OL - Cut = NL
OL=Original Length
Cut=Cut off length
NL=New Length
Therefore
OL - -Cut = NL
OL + Cut = NL
You can see from the multi-letter variable names that I'm a computer >>>>> scientist and not a mathematician, but it all makes sense to me!
Puckdropper
You know the old riddle about walking halfway across the room and
then halfway from there, etc.? Supposedly you will never reach the
opposite side.
Also known as Zeno's Dichotomy paradox.
"As one begins adding the terms in the series 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 +
1/16 + 1/32 + 1/64 + ...., one may notice that the sum gets closer >>> and closer to 1, and will never exceed 1. Aristotle (who is the
source for much of what we know about Zeno) noted that as the
distance (in the dichotomy paradox) decreases, the time to travel
each distance gets exceedingly smaller and smaller. Before 212 BC, >>> Archimedes had developed a method to get a finite answer for the sum >>> of infinitely many terms which get progressively smaller (such as 1/2 >>> + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + ...). Modern calculus achieves the same result,
using more rigorous methods."
- wikipedia
Sooooo When my son was 1 year old, I was 33 times older, 33 years old.
Now he is 34 years old, I'm 67.
Now I am only twice as old as him.
He is aging faster than me.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvbKp57lVeU>
at 3:10
On Jun 20, 2022, DerbyDad03 wrote
(in article<ee0a87f3-527a-4480-85e2-edddf740d296n@googlegroups.com>):
Just ignore us. Since I'm such a nice guy, if there actually is a
Swingman update, I'll ping you.
Thank You, I am humbled by your kindness 😎
Joe
aka 10x
If you can rephrase, then I can rephrase, without either of us
changing the actual physical situation:
At one point the side facing the floor was halfway to the floor. Then
it was halfway from there. Then half again. How did that side ever
reach the floor?
DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> wrote in news:4cc3e4d5-bd05-48dd...@googlegroups.com:
If you can rephrase, then I can rephrase, without either of us
changing the actual physical situation:
At one point the side facing the floor was halfway to the floor. ThenWhen those numbers start getting really small, what appears to us as the
it was halfway from there. Then half again. How did that side ever
reach the floor?
egg reaching the floor and breaking is not actually what happens. The
atoms making up the floor interact with the atoms making up the egg and
while they never touch they impart a force on one another which results in the egg cracking.
The real question is if the egg never touches the floor why is it so hard
to clean up?
Puckdropper
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