Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an >authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item.
The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more >because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can >clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark >stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The >"walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. >Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open
to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint.
I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look >decent for a basement family room type setting.
Thanks!
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item.
The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The "walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open
to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint.
I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look decent for a basement family room type setting.
Thanks!
On 4/10/2022 10:41 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item.
The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around theI like your idea of going with a dark stain (or--see below);
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
I can't see
why you would go with light colored stain on this. It seem like that
would just magnify any imperfections that may be present. You know more
than I do;
that is just my immediate thought. Personally, I think I would consider "painting" it, and I might run that idea by the owner. A tan with some
red in it, almost matching its color now, might look very good! I
painted my deck that color last year, and a piece of this sort might complement it very nicely. Maybe you gave me an idea for a project!
: )
Sorry, I have no experience with wood bleach, but my gut feeling is that
is the wrong direction. You would still be left with damaged wood.
-Bill
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The "walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open
to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint. I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look decent for a basement family room type setting.
Thanks!
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item.
The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The "walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open
to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint.
I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look decent for a basement family room type setting.
Thanks!
On 4/10/2022 9:41 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item.
The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The "walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open
to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint. I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look decent for a basement family room type setting.
Thanks!It does not look like oak to me but maybe it is the resolution. My
guess would be fir maybe pine. I find it hard also to believe that
the metallic third officer piece is original. It looks like some one
put it there. Anyway it looks like the side of a spool to me.
Past that, what does the customer want. Explain to him what avenue you
have to take.
I am not sure bleach would work on the dark spots, may be a router and
or a paint remover. Maybe leave that part alone.
If this will continue to be a coffee table and perhaps have liquids
spilled a gel varnish might not provide the protection you are looking for.
I would recommend General Finishes Arm-R-Seal for the varnish.
Stains, if this is actually oak, most any will work, gel stains being
the easiest to work without lap marks. If this is pine or fir you would likely want to use a sanding sealer so that the stain will not look
blotchey.
Or just varnish it. An oil based varnish, Like the on I mentioned above,
will give it a natural darker warm appearance.
If you go with the Arm-R-Seal you can apply it with a rag but you will
be putting on a boat load of coats to get a thick protective layer.
OR use a quality foam brush, Think Wooster brand and you may only need
to put on a couple of coats. The foam brush will allow a thick coat.
I try to not over work the surface so that it appears to have a layer of
wet everywhere. Put it down and leave it alone till dry. Practice this technique on a scrap. You can clean the Wooster foam brush with thinner
or mineral spirits multiple times. Expect to pay about $4~$5 for a brush.
When finished and the surface is dry, several days, and if it feels like
it has little dust nibs wrap a piece of paper around a small block of
wood and give the surface a few passes with light to moderate pressure.
This almost always leaves a baby butt smooth feel.
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an >>authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item.
The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more >>because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can >>clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark >>stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The >>"walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. >>Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open
to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint. >>I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look >>decent for a basement family room type setting.
Thanks!
Sorry - not familar with using bleach.
If it was mine - I'd just keep it rustic looking -
ie: keep the dark areas and imperfections.
If you can make the grain " pop " in the sanded-off
areas - with a medium < deep golden / teak-coloured > stain -
the dark imperfections become "character".
Hopefully there is an area on the bottom or a scrap
to allow a bit of experimenting ?
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 11:15:12 -0400, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an >>authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item. >>The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the >>bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more >>because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can >>clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark >>stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The >>"walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. >>Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open >>to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint. >>I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look >>decent for a basement family room type setting.
Thanks!
Sorry - not familar with using bleach.My inclination would be to go after the remaining dark areas with a
If it was mine - I'd just keep it rustic looking -
ie: keep the dark areas and imperfections.
If you can make the grain " pop " in the sanded-off
areas - with a medium < deep golden / teak-coloured > stain -
the dark imperfections become "character".
Hopefully there is an area on the bottom or a scrap
to allow a bit of experimenting ?
Dremel. For that recess I agree, template and router would be a good
option.
On 4/10/2022 9:41 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an
authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item.
The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more
because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can
clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark >> stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The
"walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. >> Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open
to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint.
I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look >> decent for a basement family room type setting.
Thanks!
It does not look like oak to me but maybe it is the resolution. My
guess would be fir maybe pine. I find it hard also to believe that
the metallic third officer piece is original. It looks like some one
put it there. Anyway it looks like the side of a spool to me.
Past that, what does the customer want. Explain to him what avenue you
have to take.
I am not sure bleach would work on the dark spots, may be a router and
or a paint remover. Maybe leave that part alone.
If this will continue to be a coffee table and perhaps have liquids
spilled a gel varnish might not provide the protection you are looking for.
I would recommend General Finishes Arm-R-Seal for the varnish.
Stains, if this is actually oak, most any will work, gel stains being
the easiest to work without lap marks. If this is pine or fir you would >likely want to use a sanding sealer so that the stain will not look
blotchey.
Or just varnish it. An oil based varnish, Like the on I mentioned above,
will give it a natural darker warm appearance.
If you go with the Arm-R-Seal you can apply it with a rag but you will
be putting on a boat load of coats to get a thick protective layer.
OR use a quality foam brush, Think Wooster brand and you may only need
to put on a couple of coats. The foam brush will allow a thick coat.
I try to not over work the surface so that it appears to have a layer of
wet everywhere. Put it down and leave it alone till dry. Practice this >technique on a scrap. You can clean the Wooster foam brush with thinner
or mineral spirits multiple times. Expect to pay about $4~$5 for a brush.
When finished and the surface is dry, several days, and if it feels like
it has little dust nibs wrap a piece of paper around a small block of
wood and give the surface a few passes with light to moderate pressure.
This almost always leaves a baby butt smooth feel.
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an >authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item.
The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more >because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can >clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark >stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The >"walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. >Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open
to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint.
I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look >decent for a basement family room type setting.
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an >authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item.
The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more >because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can >clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark >stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The >"walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. >Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm openAn "oxy" bleach should take that right out. Oxalic Acid has been
to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint. >I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look >decent for a basement family room type setting.
around as a "wood bleach" since forever. Do NOT use a chlorine based
bleach. It'll unglue the wood itself (dissolve the lignin).
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:31:35 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/10/2022 9:41 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.It does not look like oak to me but maybe it is the resolution. My
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an >>> authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item.
The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more
because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can >>> clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark >>> stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The
"walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. >>> Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open
to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint. >>> I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look >>> decent for a basement family room type setting.
Thanks!
guess would be fir maybe pine. I find it hard also to believe that
the metallic third officer piece is original. It looks like some one
put it there. Anyway it looks like the side of a spool to me.
I agree with the third officer plaque not being part of the original but that plaque screws onto this semi-circular bar that through-bolts into a U-shaped groove above the center recess. The curved bottom of the bar sure does make it seem like a handle. I assume that the "handle" is original to the piece and the
plaque was added later to give the table a "nautical look".
https://i.imgur.com/iMftT06.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uzghHpT.jpg
The bolts are the same as the 28 bolts that hold the bottom layer to the top. The
bottom is solid, with no indication that anything except the legs was ever attached
to it, so I'm not sure that is was a spool. In addition, the bolts (and nuts) extend
beyond the bottom which would be a hindrance to anything being wound onto the spool. Not that any of that matters, just conversation. ;-)
https://i.imgur.com/Rum2LMB.jpg
Past that, what does the customer want. Explain to him what avenue you
have to take.
I am not sure bleach would work on the dark spots, may be a router and
or a paint remover. Maybe leave that part alone.
If this will continue to be a coffee table and perhaps have liquids
spilled a gel varnish might not provide the protection you are looking for. >>
I would recommend General Finishes Arm-R-Seal for the varnish.
Stains, if this is actually oak, most any will work, gel stains being
the easiest to work without lap marks. If this is pine or fir you would
likely want to use a sanding sealer so that the stain will not look
blotchey.
Or just varnish it. An oil based varnish, Like the on I mentioned above,
will give it a natural darker warm appearance.
If you go with the Arm-R-Seal you can apply it with a rag but you will
be putting on a boat load of coats to get a thick protective layer.
"Boat load"? A intentional pun or just coincidence?
OR use a quality foam brush, Think Wooster brand and you may only need
to put on a couple of coats. The foam brush will allow a thick coat.
I try to not over work the surface so that it appears to have a layer of
wet everywhere. Put it down and leave it alone till dry. Practice this
technique on a scrap. You can clean the Wooster foam brush with thinner
or mineral spirits multiple times. Expect to pay about $4~$5 for a brush.
When finished and the surface is dry, several days, and if it feels like
it has little dust nibs wrap a piece of paper around a small block of
wood and give the surface a few passes with light to moderate pressure.
This almost always leaves a baby butt smooth feel.
Thanks.
re: "I try to not over work the surface so that it appears to have a layer of wet everywhere."
I assume that this statement means that you are trying to have it appear to have a wet surface everywhere and that overworking it leaves dry-looking spots.
(It could sort of be read the other way around, so while I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, I want to be *really* sure.)
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:08:08 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.An "oxy" bleach should take that right out. Oxalic Acid has been
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an
authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item.
The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more
because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can >> >clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark >> >stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The
"walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. >> >Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open
to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint.
I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look >> >decent for a basement family room type setting.
around as a "wood bleach" since forever. Do NOT use a chlorine based
bleach. It'll unglue the wood itself (dissolve the lignin).
Yeah, Oxalic Acid was the kind of bleach I was curious about.
Will it change the existing color of the wood or just get rid of the >remaining stain? I don't think I'll care if it lightens the wood, just
want to know what to expect.
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 16:13:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:08:08 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.An "oxy" bleach should take that right out. Oxalic Acid has been
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an >> >authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item. >> >The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more
because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can >> >clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark
stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The >> >"walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep.
Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open >> >to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint. >> >I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look
decent for a basement family room type setting.
around as a "wood bleach" since forever. Do NOT use a chlorine based
bleach. It'll unglue the wood itself (dissolve the lignin).
Yeah, Oxalic Acid was the kind of bleach I was curious about.
Will it change the existing color of the wood or just get rid of the >remaining stain? I don't think I'll care if it lightens the wood, justReading material https://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/oxalic-acid-a-very-useful-bleach/
want to know what to expect.
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 7:49:40 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 16:13:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:08:08 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:Reading material
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.An "oxy" bleach should take that right out. Oxalic Acid has been
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an >> >> >authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item. >> >> >The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the >> >> >bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more >> >> >because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can
clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark
stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The >> >> >"walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep.
Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open >> >> >to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint. >> >> >I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look
decent for a basement family room type setting.
around as a "wood bleach" since forever. Do NOT use a chlorine based
bleach. It'll unglue the wood itself (dissolve the lignin).
Yeah, Oxalic Acid was the kind of bleach I was curious about.
Will it change the existing color of the wood or just get rid of the
remaining stain? I don't think I'll care if it lightens the wood, just
want to know what to expect.
https://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/oxalic-acid-a-very-useful-bleach/
As far I can tell Oxalic Acid will not remove the remaining *finishing* stain in
the crevices, just water stains or other stain caused by iron.
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 11:15:51 AM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
that is just my immediate thought. Personally, I think I would consider
"painting" it, and I might run that idea by the owner. A tan with some
red in it, almost matching its color now, might look very good! I
painted my deck that color last year, and a piece of this sort might
complement it very nicely. Maybe you gave me an idea for a project!
: )
Sorry, I have no experience with wood bleach, but my gut feeling is that
is the wrong direction. You would still be left with damaged wood.
I'm not trying to fix the "damage" (i.e. character) I'm simply trying to get the piece to a more uniform color so that the remains of the dark stain doesn't show through whatever new finish is used. To be honest, I'm not
even sure if wood bleach would do that, which is why I asked.
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
2) The top boards seem older, used, well worn, multiple "defects", whereas the bottom boards have none. The bottom boards may have been added to the original piece.
3) Why would round head nails in the top boards be needed if there are lots of bolts.... and there seem to be no nails in the bottom boards?
4) It looks like fir to me. Oak has tannins that would react to the nails/bolts causing blackness. The blackness shown on the boards doesn't appear to be the blackness you'd see if it were oak-metal reaction. I think that blackness/darkness is ruststains combined with the blackish stain-stuff that you sanded off. Dab a bit of Oxalic acid on a small (rust stain?) spot and see what happens.
5) Cleaning out those crevices may require a bit of tedious hand scraping/sanding and the like. Probably limited success with using power tools, but worth a try on some areas.
6) Third Officer plate not original. I think the cavity it fits into would be a more precise fit, if so.
Neat project, though. I would enjoy doing it. It reminds me of a round Spanish Cedar bench I want to redo..... similarly, has the T&G mating edges. Re: bottom side view of your project.... I like your old looking work cabinet behind the table.
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:08:08 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
Disclaimer: My finishing skills are pretty weak, so be gentle.An "oxy" bleach should take that right out. Oxalic Acid has been
I've been asked to refinish this "coffee table". I don't know if it's an
authentic hatch cover from a ship, but it shore (PI) is one heavy item.
The top alone weighs about 40 lbs. I believe that it's oak.
Top and one leg:
https://i.imgur.com/sj0JgR2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SJUzqLW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NRi7PFK.jpg
The table was dark brown, as shown in the center recess and around the
bolt holes. I sanded most of it off, but I don't want to sand any more
because what's left is pretty deep, especially around the bolt holes.
https://i.imgur.com/XwYUe9b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oIlA87N.jpg
The owner would like to piece to be lighter than it was, but unless I can >> >clean up what's left of the previous finish, I may have to stay with a dark >> >stain. I also need a way to get the stain out of the center recess. The
"walls" of the recess are vertical, kind of like 2 steps down. 2.25" deep. >> >Hard to sand, maybe a template and a (long) straight bit in a router?
I've never used wood bleach. Should I try it? Can I do any harm?
I was thinking of using a gel stain and then a gel topcoat but I'm open
to other suggestions. No sprays unless it's from a rattle can. No paint.
I'm not trying to turn this table into a heirloom piece, just make it look >> >decent for a basement family room type setting.
around as a "wood bleach" since forever. Do NOT use a chlorine based
bleach. It'll unglue the wood itself (dissolve the lignin).
Yeah, Oxalic Acid was the kind of bleach I was curious about.
Will it change the existing color of the wood or just get rid of the >remaining stain? I don't think I'll care if it lightens the wood, just
want to know what to expect.
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=ischLooks more like this to me.
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:Looks more like this to me.
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, two
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen.
On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:14:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:Looks more like this to me.
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, twoIt is not centered in the piece right? At first I thought of a spool
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen.
but your first post it looked off center. You could sell as a hobbit
door, but I think a hatch is more likely.
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:Looks more like this to me.
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, two
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen.
On 4/12/2022 3:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:Looks more like this to me.
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool
with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are
common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain
this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle
on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated
slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
All examples of hatches are square and the handle is near the
edge/corner. And who would design a heavy hatch with the handle in the middle?
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the
handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
Yes. It is coincidental that the name plate fit the slot and or as you said, the fabricator cut the slot with a router.
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explainThe only thing that looks similar to other hatch designs is the metal
away - no indication of an axle support plate, two
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that
extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen.
name plate. There are many pieces of furniture that are made to look nautical. Not all spools have or need an axle support plate. I do not recall actually seeing a support plate on most of these type spools.
Notice here no support plate but rather a bushing, like the piece
appears to have had in your first picture.
https://www.bigiron.com/Lots/GeneralCableSteelCable
On 4/12/2022 3:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:Looks more like this to me.
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpgAll examples of hatches are square and the handle is near the
edge/corner. And who would design a heavy hatch with the handle in the middle?
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
Yes. It is coincidental that the name plate fit the slot and or as you
said, the fabricator cut the slot with a router.
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, two
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen.
The only thing that looks similar to other hatch designs is the metal
name plate. There are many pieces of furniture that are made to look nautical. Not all spools have or need an axle support plate. I do not
recall actually seeing a support plate on most of these type spools.
Notice here no support plate but rather a bushing, like the piece
appears to have had in your first picture.
https://www.bigiron.com/Lots/GeneralCableSteelCable
On 4/13/2022 10:55 AM, Leon wrote:
On 4/12/2022 3:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool
with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are
common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch >>> Looks more like this to me.
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain
this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle
on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated
slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
All examples of hatches are square and the handle is near the
edge/corner. And who would design a heavy hatch with the handle in the middle?
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the
handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
Yes. It is coincidental that the name plate fit the slot and or as you said, the fabricator cut the slot with a router.
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explainThe only thing that looks similar to other hatch designs is the metal
away - no indication of an axle support plate, two
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that
extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen.
name plate. There are many pieces of furniture that are made to look nautical. Not all spools have or need an axle support plate. I do not recall actually seeing a support plate on most of these type spools.
Notice here no support plate but rather a bushing, like the piece
appears to have had in your first picture.
https://www.bigiron.com/Lots/GeneralCableSteelCableNotice here the nautical compass theme used on this spool converted to
be used as a table.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/205828645446108676/
On 4/13/2022 3:39 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 11:56:05 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/12/2022 3:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:All examples of hatches are square and the handle is near the
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch >>>> Looks more like this to me.
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
edge/corner. And who would design a heavy hatch with the handle in the
middle?
Yes. It is coincidental that the name plate fit the slot and or as you
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
said, the fabricator cut the slot with a router.
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, twoThe only thing that looks similar to other hatch designs is the metal
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen.
name plate. There are many pieces of furniture that are made to look
nautical. Not all spools have or need an axle support plate. I do not
recall actually seeing a support plate on most of these type spools.
I'm not sure that you understood my point when I agreed that theExcept that the hole and handle is in the middle of a large round piece
name plate was added on later. My point was that the bar below the
plate and the recess exactly match what is shown on other hatches.
vs. the edge/corner like in all of the samples you provided. One thing
on this object resembles a hatch. Everything else looks like the side
of a spool.
One last observation, you mentioned that this is heavy. Do you think
the 2 little screws on each end would be enough to hold the name plate
in place while lifting the hatch over the life of the hatch?
I never once said or implied that the name plate was part of the hatch cover >over it's lifetime. 3 days ago I specifically said - to you - that "I agree with the
third officer plaque not being part of the original..."
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 11:56:05 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/12/2022 3:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:All examples of hatches are square and the handle is near the
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch >>>> Looks more like this to me.
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
edge/corner. And who would design a heavy hatch with the handle in the
middle?
Yes. It is coincidental that the name plate fit the slot and or as you
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
said, the fabricator cut the slot with a router.
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, twoThe only thing that looks similar to other hatch designs is the metal
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen.
name plate. There are many pieces of furniture that are made to look
nautical. Not all spools have or need an axle support plate. I do not
recall actually seeing a support plate on most of these type spools.
I'm not sure that you understood my point when I agreed that the
name plate was added on later. My point was that the bar below the
plate and the recess exactly match what is shown on other hatches.
Notice here no support plate but rather a bushing, like the piece
appears to have had in your first picture.
I'm not sure what you see that appears to have been a bushing.
There is certainly no evidence of a bushing ever existing on the piece
I have.
https://www.bigiron.com/Lots/GeneralCableSteelCable
What I notice on every spool shown is that there are bolts
where the center core is attached to the round ends. There
is nothing like that on my piece.
FWIW, I spoke to the owner. I asked where she got the table from.
She said it was years ago and what she remembers is that the guy
she got it from said the top came from a ship. I know that's not much,
but that's what was said. Could have been passed around multiple
times and the true story lost to the ages. Who knows.
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 5:21:20 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/13/2022 3:39 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 11:56:05 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Except that the hole and handle is in the middle of a large round piece
On 4/12/2022 3:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:All examples of hatches are square and the handle is near the
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch >>>>>> Looks more like this to me.
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
edge/corner. And who would design a heavy hatch with the handle in the >>>> middle?
Yes. It is coincidental that the name plate fit the slot and or as you >>>> said, the fabricator cut the slot with a router.
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, twoThe only thing that looks similar to other hatch designs is the metal
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen.
name plate. There are many pieces of furniture that are made to look
nautical. Not all spools have or need an axle support plate. I do not
recall actually seeing a support plate on most of these type spools.
I'm not sure that you understood my point when I agreed that the
name plate was added on later. My point was that the bar below the
plate and the recess exactly match what is shown on other hatches.
vs. the edge/corner like in all of the samples you provided. One thing
on this object resembles a hatch. Everything else looks like the side
of a spool.
One last observation, you mentioned that this is heavy. Do you think
the 2 little screws on each end would be enough to hold the name plate
in place while lifting the hatch over the life of the hatch?
What? Where did that come from? It appears that you did not understand what my images meant nor the words that I used to describe them.
I'll try one last time.
1 - This is the handle and the name plate. We all agree that the name plate itself was probably added on after the table was built:
https://i.imgur.com/iMftT06.jpg
2 - Take the handle - without the name plate - and set it in the slot and then
bolt it through both layers of the table top. No bolt shown here, but the bolts
are the 3/8" x 3 1/2" bolts shown in the previous image.
https://i.imgur.com/AOGdTdB.jpg
Now you have handle that can easily support the weight of the piece. Please don't doubt me, I've lifted the piece using that handle.
Later, when you are turning the hatch cover into a table, drill 2 small holes in the handle and screw the name plate *to the bolted in handle*:
https://i.imgur.com/Ck0AzbU.jpg
I never once said or implied that the name plate was part of the hatch cover over it's lifetime. 3 days ago I specifically said - to you - that "I agree with the
third officer plaque not being part of the original..."
On 4/13/2022 5:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 5:21:20 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/13/2022 3:39 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 11:56:05 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Except that the hole and handle is in the middle of a large round piece
On 4/12/2022 3:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:All examples of hatches are square and the handle is near the
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch >>>>>>> Looks more like this to me.
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
edge/corner. And who would design a heavy hatch with the handle in the >>>>> middle?
Yes. It is coincidental that the name plate fit the slot and or as you >>>>> said, the fabricator cut the slot with a router.
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, twoThe only thing that looks similar to other hatch designs is the metal >>>>> name plate. There are many pieces of furniture that are made to look >>>>> nautical. Not all spools have or need an axle support plate. I do not >>>>> recall actually seeing a support plate on most of these type spools.
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen. >>>>>>
I'm not sure that you understood my point when I agreed that the
name plate was added on later. My point was that the bar below the
plate and the recess exactly match what is shown on other hatches.
vs. the edge/corner like in all of the samples you provided. One thing
on this object resembles a hatch. Everything else looks like the side
of a spool.
One last observation, you mentioned that this is heavy. Do you think
the 2 little screws on each end would be enough to hold the name plate
in place while lifting the hatch over the life of the hatch?
What? Where did that come from? It appears that you did not understand what >> my images meant nor the words that I used to describe them.
I'll try one last time.
1 - This is the handle and the name plate. We all agree that the name plate >> itself was probably added on after the table was built:
https://i.imgur.com/iMftT06.jpg
2 - Take the handle - without the name plate - and set it in the slot and then
bolt it through both layers of the table top. No bolt shown here, but the bolts
are the 3/8" x 3 1/2" bolts shown in the previous image.
https://i.imgur.com/AOGdTdB.jpg
Now you have handle that can easily support the weight of the piece. Please >> don't doubt me, I've lifted the piece using that handle.
Later, when you are turning the hatch cover into a table, drill 2 small holes
in the handle and screw the name plate *to the bolted in handle*:
https://i.imgur.com/Ck0AzbU.jpg
I never once said or implied that the name plate was part of the hatch cover >> over it's lifetime. 3 days ago I specifically said - to you - that "I agree with the
third officer plaque not being part of the original..."
I let this lay. I think both of us don't think either of us understand
what the other is saying. My only point is that I truly believe that
his was never a hatch and was simply the side of a spool. I Googled
round hatches and never found a picture other than square hatches.
Googling spools comes up with countless varieties of picture like the
one you posted.
No hard feelings on my side.
On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:46:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 4/13/2022 5:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 5:21:20 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/13/2022 3:39 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 11:56:05 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Except that the hole and handle is in the middle of a large round piece >>>> vs. the edge/corner like in all of the samples you provided. One thing >>>> on this object resembles a hatch. Everything else looks like the side
On 4/12/2022 3:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:I'm not sure that you understood my point when I agreed that the
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:All examples of hatches are square and the handle is near the
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch >>>>>>>> Looks more like this to me.
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
edge/corner. And who would design a heavy hatch with the handle in the >>>>>> middle?
Yes. It is coincidental that the name plate fit the slot and or as you >>>>>> said, the fabricator cut the slot with a router.
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, twoThe only thing that looks similar to other hatch designs is the metal >>>>>> name plate. There are many pieces of furniture that are made to look >>>>>> nautical. Not all spools have or need an axle support plate. I do not >>>>>> recall actually seeing a support plate on most of these type spools. >>>>>
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen. >>>>>>>
name plate was added on later. My point was that the bar below the
plate and the recess exactly match what is shown on other hatches.
of a spool.
One last observation, you mentioned that this is heavy. Do you think
the 2 little screws on each end would be enough to hold the name plate >>>> in place while lifting the hatch over the life of the hatch?
What? Where did that come from? It appears that you did not understand what >>> my images meant nor the words that I used to describe them.
I'll try one last time.
1 - This is the handle and the name plate. We all agree that the name plate >>> itself was probably added on after the table was built:
https://i.imgur.com/iMftT06.jpg
2 - Take the handle - without the name plate - and set it in the slot and then
bolt it through both layers of the table top. No bolt shown here, but the bolts
are the 3/8" x 3 1/2" bolts shown in the previous image.
https://i.imgur.com/AOGdTdB.jpg
Now you have handle that can easily support the weight of the piece. Please >>> don't doubt me, I've lifted the piece using that handle.
Later, when you are turning the hatch cover into a table, drill 2 small holes
in the handle and screw the name plate *to the bolted in handle*:
https://i.imgur.com/Ck0AzbU.jpg
I never once said or implied that the name plate was part of the hatch cover
over it's lifetime. 3 days ago I specifically said - to you - that "I agree with the
third officer plaque not being part of the original..."
I let this lay. I think both of us don't think either of us understand
what the other is saying. My only point is that I truly believe that
his was never a hatch and was simply the side of a spool. I Googled
round hatches and never found a picture other than square hatches.
Googling spools comes up with countless varieties of picture like the
one you posted.
Do you know why manholes are round?
On 4/14/2022 1:41 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:46:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 4/13/2022 5:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 5:21:20 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/13/2022 3:39 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 11:56:05 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Except that the hole and handle is in the middle of a large round piece >>>>> vs. the edge/corner like in all of the samples you provided. One thing >>>>> on this object resembles a hatch. Everything else looks like the side >>>>> of a spool.
On 4/12/2022 3:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:I'm not sure that you understood my point when I agreed that the
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:All examples of hatches are square and the handle is near the
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Couple of observations:Looks more like this to me.
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
edge/corner. And who would design a heavy hatch with the handle in the >>>>>>> middle?
Yes. It is coincidental that the name plate fit the slot and or as you >>>>>>> said, the fabricator cut the slot with a router.
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, twoThe only thing that looks similar to other hatch designs is the metal >>>>>>> name plate. There are many pieces of furniture that are made to look >>>>>>> nautical. Not all spools have or need an axle support plate. I do not >>>>>>> recall actually seeing a support plate on most of these type spools. >>>>>>
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen. >>>>>>>>
name plate was added on later. My point was that the bar below the >>>>>> plate and the recess exactly match what is shown on other hatches.
One last observation, you mentioned that this is heavy. Do you think >>>>> the 2 little screws on each end would be enough to hold the name plate >>>>> in place while lifting the hatch over the life of the hatch?
What? Where did that come from? It appears that you did not understand what
my images meant nor the words that I used to describe them.
I'll try one last time.
1 - This is the handle and the name plate. We all agree that the name plate
itself was probably added on after the table was built:
https://i.imgur.com/iMftT06.jpg
2 - Take the handle - without the name plate - and set it in the slot and then
bolt it through both layers of the table top. No bolt shown here, but the bolts
are the 3/8" x 3 1/2" bolts shown in the previous image.
https://i.imgur.com/AOGdTdB.jpg
Now you have handle that can easily support the weight of the piece. Please
don't doubt me, I've lifted the piece using that handle.
Later, when you are turning the hatch cover into a table, drill 2 small holes
in the handle and screw the name plate *to the bolted in handle*:
https://i.imgur.com/Ck0AzbU.jpg
I never once said or implied that the name plate was part of the hatch cover
over it's lifetime. 3 days ago I specifically said - to you - that "I agree with the
third officer plaque not being part of the original..."
I let this lay. I think both of us don't think either of us understand >>> what the other is saying. My only point is that I truly believe that
his was never a hatch and was simply the side of a spool. I Googled
round hatches and never found a picture other than square hatches.
Googling spools comes up with countless varieties of picture like the
one you posted.
Do you know why manholes are round?
So that they will not fall into the hole.
Do you know why the lift area is at the perimeter instead of in the middle?
On 4/13/2022 5:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 5:21:20 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/13/2022 3:39 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 11:56:05 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Except that the hole and handle is in the middle of a large round piece
On 4/12/2022 3:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:All examples of hatches are square and the handle is near the
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:
Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch >>>>>> Looks more like this to me.
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
edge/corner. And who would design a heavy hatch with the handle in the >>>> middle?
Yes. It is coincidental that the name plate fit the slot and or as you >>>> said, the fabricator cut the slot with a router.
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, twoThe only thing that looks similar to other hatch designs is the metal >>>> name plate. There are many pieces of furniture that are made to look >>>> nautical. Not all spools have or need an axle support plate. I do not >>>> recall actually seeing a support plate on most of these type spools.
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen. >>>>>
I'm not sure that you understood my point when I agreed that the
name plate was added on later. My point was that the bar below the
plate and the recess exactly match what is shown on other hatches.
vs. the edge/corner like in all of the samples you provided. One thing
on this object resembles a hatch. Everything else looks like the side
of a spool.
One last observation, you mentioned that this is heavy. Do you think
the 2 little screws on each end would be enough to hold the name plate
in place while lifting the hatch over the life of the hatch?
What? Where did that come from? It appears that you did not understand what my images meant nor the words that I used to describe them.
I'll try one last time.
1 - This is the handle and the name plate. We all agree that the name plate itself was probably added on after the table was built:
https://i.imgur.com/iMftT06.jpg
2 - Take the handle - without the name plate - and set it in the slot and then
bolt it through both layers of the table top. No bolt shown here, but the bolts
are the 3/8" x 3 1/2" bolts shown in the previous image.
https://i.imgur.com/AOGdTdB.jpg
Now you have handle that can easily support the weight of the piece. Please don't doubt me, I've lifted the piece using that handle.
Later, when you are turning the hatch cover into a table, drill 2 small holes
in the handle and screw the name plate *to the bolted in handle*:
https://i.imgur.com/Ck0AzbU.jpg
I never once said or implied that the name plate was part of the hatch cover
over it's lifetime. 3 days ago I specifically said - to you - that "I agree with the
third officer plaque not being part of the original..."
I let this lay. I think both of us don't think either of us understand
what the other is saying. My only point is that I truly believe that
his was never a hatch and was simply the side of a spool. I Googled
round hatches and never found a picture other than square hatches.
Googling spools comes up with countless varieties of picture like the
one you posted.
No hard feelings on my side.
On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:55:01 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 4/14/2022 1:41 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 12:46:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 4/13/2022 5:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 5:21:20 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/13/2022 3:39 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 11:56:05 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/12/2022 3:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:I'm not sure that you understood my point when I agreed that the >>>>>>> name plate was added on later. My point was that the bar below the >>>>>>> plate and the recess exactly match what is shown on other hatches. >>>>>> Except that the hole and handle is in the middle of a large round piece >>>>>> vs. the edge/corner like in all of the samples you provided. One thing >>>>>> on this object resembles a hatch. Everything else looks like the side >>>>>> of a spool.
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:All examples of hatches are square and the handle is near the
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Couple of observations:Looks more like this to me.
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
edge/corner. And who would design a heavy hatch with the handle in the >>>>>>>> middle?
Yes. It is coincidental that the name plate fit the slot and or as you >>>>>>>> said, the fabricator cut the slot with a router.
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, twoThe only thing that looks similar to other hatch designs is the metal >>>>>>>> name plate. There are many pieces of furniture that are made to look >>>>>>>> nautical. Not all spools have or need an axle support plate. I do not >>>>>>>> recall actually seeing a support plate on most of these type spools. >>>>>>>
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen. >>>>>>>>>
One last observation, you mentioned that this is heavy. Do you think >>>>>> the 2 little screws on each end would be enough to hold the name plate >>>>>> in place while lifting the hatch over the life of the hatch?
What? Where did that come from? It appears that you did not understand what
my images meant nor the words that I used to describe them.
I'll try one last time.
1 - This is the handle and the name plate. We all agree that the name plate
itself was probably added on after the table was built:
https://i.imgur.com/iMftT06.jpg
2 - Take the handle - without the name plate - and set it in the slot and then
bolt it through both layers of the table top. No bolt shown here, but the bolts
are the 3/8" x 3 1/2" bolts shown in the previous image.
https://i.imgur.com/AOGdTdB.jpg
Now you have handle that can easily support the weight of the piece. Please
don't doubt me, I've lifted the piece using that handle.
Later, when you are turning the hatch cover into a table, drill 2 small holes
in the handle and screw the name plate *to the bolted in handle*:
https://i.imgur.com/Ck0AzbU.jpg
I never once said or implied that the name plate was part of the hatch cover
over it's lifetime. 3 days ago I specifically said - to you - that "I agree with the
third officer plaque not being part of the original..."
I let this lay. I think both of us don't think either of us understand >>>> what the other is saying. My only point is that I truly believe that >>>> his was never a hatch and was simply the side of a spool. I Googled
round hatches and never found a picture other than square hatches.
Googling spools comes up with countless varieties of picture like the
one you posted.
Do you know why manholes are round?
So that they will not fall into the hole.
Do you know why the lift area is at the perimeter instead of in the middle?
Most have the hole at the edge but there are other sorts.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=manhole+cover+pictures&t=ffab&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_Gb4NmAd9gS8%2FTGc7mNkVzYI%2FAAAAAAAABRE%2FFxX3Ct2vD7E%2Fs1600%2Fmanholecover03.jpg>
Not round but the lifter is a bar across the middle.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=manhole+cover+pictures&t=ffab&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2F5.imimg.com%2Fdata5%2FPP%2FEE%2FMY-2552693%2Fsfrc-manhole-covers-500x500.jpg>
Hatch sort of thing: <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=manhole+cover+pictures&t=ffab&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Faairknuagp.cloudimg.io%2Fv7%2Fwww.kentstainless.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F09%2FSTAINL3-1-1.jpg>
There is a WIDE variety of these things
But I agree, it's a spool
On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 1:46:31 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 4/13/2022 5:01 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 5:21:20 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:I let this lay. I think both of us don't think either of us understand
On 4/13/2022 3:39 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 11:56:05 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:Except that the hole and handle is in the middle of a large round piece >>>> vs. the edge/corner like in all of the samples you provided. One thing >>>> on this object resembles a hatch. Everything else looks like the side
On 4/12/2022 3:14 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:I'm not sure that you understood my point when I agreed that the
On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:06:45 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:All examples of hatches are square and the handle is near the
On 4/11/2022 1:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:46:19 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Couple of observations:
1) Looks like a spool construction, but I've never seen a spool with T&G mating edges of the boards.
Scroll through these images. The center recess and cross bar are common traits of hatch covers
on old ships.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ship+wooden+deck+hatch+cover&tbm=isch >>>>>>>> Looks more like this to me.
https://www.dreamstime.com/large-empty-wooden-coil-new-cable-drum-industrial-area-outdoors-wooden-spool-cable-image107746391
Yes. It's round, thick and made of wood. ;-)
I'm not saying that you are wrong, just asking that you please explain this:
The handle in the center the table is exactly the same as the handle on tables supposedly made from hatch covers.
The bar, the bolts, the round recess, even the curved and elongated slot that the bar sits in. (center image, right hand
side)
https://i.imgur.com/xmSOqK4.jpg
edge/corner. And who would design a heavy hatch with the handle in the >>>>>> middle?
Yes. It is coincidental that the name plate fit the slot and or as you >>>>>> said, the fabricator cut the slot with a router.
Do you feel that the builder took a spool end and manually matched the handle set-up so as to make it look like a hatch cover?
There are a lot of other differences that might be easier to explain away - no indication of an axle support plate, twoThe only thing that looks similar to other hatch designs is the metal >>>>>> name plate. There are many pieces of furniture that are made to look >>>>>> nautical. Not all spools have or need an axle support plate. I do not >>>>>> recall actually seeing a support plate on most of these type spools. >>>>>
layers of wood, T&G construction, no through axle hole, bolts that extend into the winding area, etc. - but that handle
sure as heck looks just like all the other hatch handles I've seen. >>>>>>>
name plate was added on later. My point was that the bar below the
plate and the recess exactly match what is shown on other hatches.
of a spool.
One last observation, you mentioned that this is heavy. Do you think
the 2 little screws on each end would be enough to hold the name plate >>>> in place while lifting the hatch over the life of the hatch?
What? Where did that come from? It appears that you did not understand what >>> my images meant nor the words that I used to describe them.
I'll try one last time.
1 - This is the handle and the name plate. We all agree that the name plate >>> itself was probably added on after the table was built:
https://i.imgur.com/iMftT06.jpg
2 - Take the handle - without the name plate - and set it in the slot and then
bolt it through both layers of the table top. No bolt shown here, but the bolts
are the 3/8" x 3 1/2" bolts shown in the previous image.
https://i.imgur.com/AOGdTdB.jpg
Now you have handle that can easily support the weight of the piece. Please >>> don't doubt me, I've lifted the piece using that handle.
Later, when you are turning the hatch cover into a table, drill 2 small holes
in the handle and screw the name plate *to the bolted in handle*:
https://i.imgur.com/Ck0AzbU.jpg
I never once said or implied that the name plate was part of the hatch cover
over it's lifetime. 3 days ago I specifically said - to you - that "I agree with the
third officer plaque not being part of the original..."
what the other is saying. My only point is that I truly believe that
his was never a hatch and was simply the side of a spool. I Googled
round hatches and never found a picture other than square hatches.
Googling spools comes up with countless varieties of picture like the
one you posted.
No hard feelings on my side.
Same here.
Thanks for the finishing advice.
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