• Re: Mason and Sullivan Plans search.....

    From TimeOut52@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 10 17:01:47 2022
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would call, a starting wheel
    at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to e121ec9af568a39c2d5832bccc2066e7@ex on Thu Mar 10 18:01:46 2022
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c2d5832bccc2066e7@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement. >It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how >to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would >call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
    energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Thu Mar 10 16:22:51 2022
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c2d5832bccc2066e7@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement. >> It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how >> to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 10 20:37:27 2022
    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:22:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c2d5832bccc2066e7@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
    energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.

    Or a wall outlet. ;-)

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Fri Mar 11 06:40:53 2022
    On Thursday, March 10, 2022 at 8:37:33 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:22:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
    energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.
    Or a wall outlet. ;-)

    Or a wall outlet in a small reservoir. (Use a GFCI) ;-)

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Leon on Fri Mar 11 15:36:59 2022
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c2d5832bccc2066e7@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
    energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
    more technically gravitational potential energy.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Fri Mar 11 09:42:01 2022
    On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c2d5832bccc2066e7@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the >>> energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
    more technically gravitational potential energy.



    Actually no, the water just sits still.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Fri Mar 11 10:55:07 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the >>> energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery. >>

    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
    more technically gravitational potential energy.
    Actually no, the water just sits still.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock

    The water doesn't just "sit there".

    Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
    that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
    that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
    to exist. So sad. So lonely.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 13:02:20 2022
    On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the >>>>> energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery. >>>>

    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting >>>> in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
    more technically gravitational potential energy.
    Actually no, the water just sits still.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock

    The water doesn't just "sit there".

    Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
    that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
    that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
    to exist. So sad. So lonely.



    There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or
    the water.

    Tree Hugger! ;~)

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Fri Mar 11 12:14:56 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the >>>>> energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery. >>>>

    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting >>>> in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
    more technically gravitational potential energy.
    Actually no, the water just sits still.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock

    The water doesn't just "sit there".

    Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
    that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
    that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
    to exist. So sad. So lonely.

    There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or
    the water.

    Look closely:

    https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg


    Tree Hugger! ;~)

    I hate trees.

    2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg

    2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg

    Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 11 15:05:21 2022
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
    energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
    more technically gravitational potential energy.
    Actually no, the water just sits still.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock

    The water doesn't just "sit there".

    Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
    that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
    that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
    to exist. So sad. So lonely.

    There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or
    the water.
    Look closely:

    https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg


    Tree Hugger! ;~)

    I hate trees.

    2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg

    2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg

    Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."

    The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway, this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.

    The van was totaled, no questions asked.

    The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
    extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't think it'll be that bad.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 10:05:06 2022
    On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the >>>>>>>> energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting >>>>>>> in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
    more technically gravitational potential energy.
    Actually no, the water just sits still.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock >>>>
    The water doesn't just "sit there".

    Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
    that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
    that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
    to exist. So sad. So lonely.

    There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or
    the water.
    Look closely:

    https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg


    Tree Hugger! ;~)

    I hate trees.

    2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg

    2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg

    Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."

    The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway, this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.

    The van was totaled, no questions asked.

    The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
    today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
    extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't think it'll be that bad.


    Totaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost
    more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.
    If the vehicle is not damaged beyond the possibility of a successful
    repair you can take the payment and pay the difference to complete the
    repairs. And quite often it does not take much more money to to do the
    repair.

    Why not take the money and buy a comparable vehicle? You know your
    vehicles service records and its history.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Sat Mar 12 11:29:00 2022
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
    energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
    more technically gravitational potential energy.
    Actually no, the water just sits still.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock

    The water doesn't just "sit there".

    Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
    that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
    that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
    to exist. So sad. So lonely.

    There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or >>> the water.
    Look closely:

    https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg


    Tree Hugger! ;~)

    I hate trees.

    2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg

    2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg

    Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."

    The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway,
    this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.

    The van was totaled, no questions asked.

    The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
    today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
    extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't think it'll be that bad.
    Totaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost
    more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.

    I've been though this more than once. Totaled typically means that the cost to repair is greater than 70-75% of the cash value of the vehicle involved.

    If the vehicle is not damaged beyond the possibility of a successful
    repair you can take the payment and pay the difference to complete the repairs.

    Yes, in some cases it's that easy, in some cases - especially on a vehicle
    with a low cash value - it doesn't make financial sense. In addition, depending on the age of the vehicle, you may have to deal with a salvage title, which can be
    real PITA. (I would not have to in this case, which is a good thing.)

    And quite often it does not take much more money to to do the
    repair.

    Except that you don't get the full payment if they deem it totaled and you buy it
    back. You get the repair cost estimate minus the salvage value minus your deductible.
    Depending on where those numbers land, your out-of-pocket expenses could be pretty high.


    Why not take the money and buy a comparable vehicle? You know your
    vehicles service records and its history.

    Well, in the case of the 2014 incident, I doubt I ever would have found a "comparable
    vehicle". It was a 2004 Odyssey with 160K on it. Most 10 YO vehicles with 160K on
    them don't look as good as my 10 YO vehicles with 160K on them. I'm just a tad anal when it comes to interior, exterior and engine compartment cleanliness. Unfortunately, even if a 10 YO vehicle with 160K is in really good condition, the cash
    value is (was) still so low that you'll never get what you had for that money. I've been
    through that twice.

    Fast forward to 2022...

    Based on this current situation your suggestion may not come into play. Two key factors:
    the current estimate of the repair and the price of used cars these days. We'll have to see
    what the repair shop says after they start taking the hatch off, etc.

    According to the Ins Co, the current cash value of SWMBO's 2011 CR-V EX with 112K miles
    is...wait for it...$13.8K, taxes included. I was shocked. $9K would have been my estimate.
    (Remember my "cleanliness" comment above? $1100 of the $13.8K is a Condition credit
    because it's in better condition that most other vehicles in that space.)

    The accessor's repair estimate is about $6K, nowhere near the 70-75% "totaled" amount.
    However, the accessor does not want the shop to order any parts until they've checked the
    vehicle for unseen structural damage. It could still end up being totaled. I should know
    more next week. Maybe $13.8K will get us a "comparable vehicle", but probably not.

    Current local availability for a CR-V EX starts at a 2014 with 106K for $17K plus tax and
    title, probably pushing $19K. Not sure about it's overall condition though.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 17:03:01 2022
    On 3/12/2022 1:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
    energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or >>>>>>>> more technically gravitational potential energy.
    Actually no, the water just sits still.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock

    The water doesn't just "sit there".

    Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
    that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
    that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
    to exist. So sad. So lonely.

    There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or >>>>> the water.
    Look closely:

    https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg


    Tree Hugger! ;~)

    I hate trees.

    2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg

    2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg

    Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."

    The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway,
    this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.

    The van was totaled, no questions asked.

    The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
    today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
    extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't >>> think it'll be that bad.
    Totaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost
    more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.

    I've been though this more than once. Totaled typically means that the cost to
    repair is greater than 70-75% of the cash value of the vehicle involved.

    The policy will spell out how this is handled. Not all work like that.
    FWIW I managed a body shop many years ago and totaled equaled the replacement price of a like vehicle.



    If the vehicle is not damaged beyond the possibility of a successful
    repair you can take the payment and pay the difference to complete the
    repairs.

    Yes, in some cases it's that easy, in some cases - especially on a vehicle with a low cash value - it doesn't make financial sense. In addition, depending
    on the age of the vehicle, you may have to deal with a salvage title, which can be
    real PITA. (I would not have to in this case, which is a good thing.)

    At a certain point one should not insure a vehicle if it's value is low.



    And quite often it does not take much more money to to do the
    repair.

    Except that you don't get the full payment if they deem it totaled and you buy it
    back.

    Again, ask question about the specific policy. And that would also
    depend on the type of coverage.


    You get the repair cost estimate minus the salvage value minus your
    deductible.
    Depending on where those numbers land, your out-of-pocket expenses could be pretty high.


    Why not take the money and buy a comparable vehicle? You know your
    vehicles service records and its history.

    Well, in the case of the 2014 incident, I doubt I ever would have found a "comparable
    vehicle". It was a 2004 Odyssey with 160K on it. Most 10 YO vehicles with 160K on
    them don't look as good as my 10 YO vehicles with 160K on them. I'm just a tad
    anal when it comes to interior, exterior and engine compartment cleanliness. Unfortunately, even if a 10 YO vehicle with 160K is in really good condition, the cash
    value is (was) still so low that you'll never get what you had for that money. I've been
    through that twice.

    Fast forward to 2022...

    Based on this current situation your suggestion may not come into play. Two key factors:
    the current estimate of the repair and the price of used cars these days. We'll have to see
    what the repair shop says after they start taking the hatch off, etc.

    According to the Ins Co, the current cash value of SWMBO's 2011 CR-V EX with 112K miles
    is...wait for it...$13.8K, taxes included. I was shocked. $9K would have been my estimate.
    (Remember my "cleanliness" comment above? $1100 of the $13.8K is a Condition credit
    because it's in better condition that most other vehicles in that space.)

    We are in strange times, I am hearing that used vehicles are bringing up
    to 50% more than they did 2 years ago.





    The accessor's repair estimate is about $6K, nowhere near the 70-75% "totaled" amount.
    However, the accessor does not want the shop to order any parts until they've checked the
    vehicle for unseen structural damage. It could still end up being totaled. I should know
    more next week. Maybe $13.8K will get us a "comparable vehicle", but probably not.

    Current local availability for a CR-V EX starts at a 2014 with 106K for $17K plus tax and
    title, probably pushing $19K. Not sure about it's overall condition though.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 19:50:37 2022
    On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 17:03:01 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 3/12/2022 1:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
    energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or >>>>>>>>> more technically gravitational potential energy.
    Actually no, the water just sits still.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock

    The water doesn't just "sit there".

    Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
    that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
    that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
    to exist. So sad. So lonely.

    There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or >>>>>> the water.
    Look closely:

    https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg


    Tree Hugger! ;~)

    I hate trees.

    2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg

    2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg

    Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."

    The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway,
    this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.

    The van was totaled, no questions asked.

    The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
    today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
    extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't
    think it'll be that bad.
    Totaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost
    more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.

    I've been though this more than once. Totaled typically means that the cost to
    repair is greater than 70-75% of the cash value of the vehicle involved.

    The policy will spell out how this is handled. Not all work like that.
    FWIW I managed a body shop many years ago and totaled equaled the
    replacement price of a like vehicle.

    The "cash value" is the same as "the replacement price". The 70-75%
    number comes in because there could easily be hidden damage that would
    push the repair cost over the value of the vehicle.

    Some will replace the vehicle with a new one if it's under 1yr old.
    One of my wife's friends played hell getting even a reasonable
    settlement for a car they had for three days before a little old lady
    totaled it.

    If the vehicle is not damaged beyond the possibility of a successful
    repair you can take the payment and pay the difference to complete the
    repairs.

    Yes, in some cases it's that easy, in some cases - especially on a vehicle >> with a low cash value - it doesn't make financial sense. In addition, depending
    on the age of the vehicle, you may have to deal with a salvage title, which can be
    real PITA. (I would not have to in this case, which is a good thing.)

    At a certain point one should not insure a vehicle if it's value is low.

    Insurance is designed to cover what you can't (easily) afford to lose.
    For the same reason, deductibles should be on the high side.

    And quite often it does not take much more money to to do the
    repair.

    Except that you don't get the full payment if they deem it totaled and you buy it
    back.

    Again, ask question about the specific policy. And that would also
    depend on the type of coverage.

    You get the repair cost estimate minus the salvage value minus your >deductible.


    Depending on where those numbers land, your out-of-pocket expenses could be >> pretty high.


    Why not take the money and buy a comparable vehicle? You know your
    vehicles service records and its history.

    Well, in the case of the 2014 incident, I doubt I ever would have found a "comparable
    vehicle". It was a 2004 Odyssey with 160K on it. Most 10 YO vehicles with 160K on
    them don't look as good as my 10 YO vehicles with 160K on them. I'm just a tad
    anal when it comes to interior, exterior and engine compartment cleanliness. >> Unfortunately, even if a 10 YO vehicle with 160K is in really good condition, the cash
    value is (was) still so low that you'll never get what you had for that money. I've been
    through that twice.

    Fast forward to 2022...

    Based on this current situation your suggestion may not come into play. Two key factors:
    the current estimate of the repair and the price of used cars these days. We'll have to see
    what the repair shop says after they start taking the hatch off, etc.

    According to the Ins Co, the current cash value of SWMBO's 2011 CR-V EX with 112K miles
    is...wait for it...$13.8K, taxes included. I was shocked. $9K would have been my estimate.
    (Remember my "cleanliness" comment above? $1100 of the $13.8K is a Condition credit
    because it's in better condition that most other vehicles in that space.)

    We are in strange times, I am hearing that used vehicles are bringing up
    to 50% more than they did 2 years ago.

    It's a rare time where one wishes one had a car coming off lease right
    now. People are picking up $5K and even 10K buying out a lease, then
    turning around and selling it.

    My eight year-old F150 was totaled last July. The payout was $21K. I
    paid just over $25k for it in 2013. We looked at one F150 with
    16K miles for $38K. I bought my 2021 "loaded" (all XLT trim packages)
    F150 for $38K, all in (taxes destination...). I hit both right with
    rebates. ;-)

    Used cars are ridiculous but there are still some deals to be made on
    new vehicles. Some dealers are raping their customers. Some aren't.



    The accessor's repair estimate is about $6K, nowhere near the 70-75% "totaled" amount.
    However, the accessor does not want the shop to order any parts until they've checked the
    vehicle for unseen structural damage. It could still end up being totaled. I should know
    more next week. Maybe $13.8K will get us a "comparable vehicle", but probably not.

    Current local availability for a CR-V EX starts at a 2014 with 106K for $17K plus tax and
    title, probably pushing $19K. Not sure about it's overall condition though.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Sat Mar 12 17:33:17 2022
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:03:11 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/12/2022 1:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
    energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or >>>>>>>> more technically gravitational potential energy.
    Actually no, the water just sits still.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock

    The water doesn't just "sit there".

    Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
    that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
    that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
    to exist. So sad. So lonely.

    There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or >>>>> the water.
    Look closely:

    https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg


    Tree Hugger! ;~)

    I hate trees.

    2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg

    2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg

    Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."

    The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway,
    this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.

    The van was totaled, no questions asked.

    The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
    today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
    extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't
    think it'll be that bad.
    Totaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost
    more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.

    I've been though this more than once. Totaled typically means that the cost to
    repair is greater than 70-75% of the cash value of the vehicle involved.
    The policy will spell out how this is handled. Not all work like that.
    FWIW I managed a body shop many years ago and totaled equaled the
    replacement price of a like vehicle.

    If the following site is correct, it appears that most states spell out how that will
    works, not the insurance company. There are others sites that say the same thing,
    but I didn't compare the values state by state across those sites. Not sure the actual
    numbers matter but the fact that certain states set the limit appears to be real.

    According to the following site, for states that don't set a percentage, a TLF (Total
    Loss Formula) is used (22 states). Fair market value of a vehicle minus its salvage
    value.

    Of the remaining states that do set a percentage, the 70%-75% figure that I used
    earlier is a very close 2nd to the TLF states at 21. There is smattering of 60%, 65%,
    80%, etc.

    Only 2 states (yours and Colorado) use 100% as a stated percentage.

    https://totallossappraisals.com/total-loss-threshold-by-state/


    If the vehicle is not damaged beyond the possibility of a successful
    repair you can take the payment and pay the difference to complete the
    repairs.

    Yes, in some cases it's that easy, in some cases - especially on a vehicle with a low cash value - it doesn't make financial sense. In addition, depending
    on the age of the vehicle, you may have to deal with a salvage title, which can be
    real PITA. (I would not have to in this case, which is a good thing.)
    At a certain point one should not insure a vehicle if it's value is low.

    And quite often it does not take much more money to to do the
    repair.

    Except that you don't get the full payment if they deem it totaled and you buy it
    back.
    Again, ask question about the specific policy. And that would also
    depend on the type of coverage.
    You get the repair cost estimate minus the salvage value minus your deductible.
    Depending on where those numbers land, your out-of-pocket expenses could be pretty high.


    Why not take the money and buy a comparable vehicle? You know your
    vehicles service records and its history.

    Well, in the case of the 2014 incident, I doubt I ever would have found a "comparable
    vehicle". It was a 2004 Odyssey with 160K on it. Most 10 YO vehicles with 160K on
    them don't look as good as my 10 YO vehicles with 160K on them. I'm just a tad
    anal when it comes to interior, exterior and engine compartment cleanliness.
    Unfortunately, even if a 10 YO vehicle with 160K is in really good condition, the cash
    value is (was) still so low that you'll never get what you had for that money. I've been
    through that twice.

    Fast forward to 2022...

    Based on this current situation your suggestion may not come into play. Two key factors:
    the current estimate of the repair and the price of used cars these days. We'll have to see
    what the repair shop says after they start taking the hatch off, etc.

    According to the Ins Co, the current cash value of SWMBO's 2011 CR-V EX with 112K miles
    is...wait for it...$13.8K, taxes included. I was shocked. $9K would have been my estimate.
    (Remember my "cleanliness" comment above? $1100 of the $13.8K is a Condition credit
    because it's in better condition that most other vehicles in that space.)
    We are in strange times, I am hearing that used vehicles are bringing up
    to 50% more than they did 2 years ago.

    The accessor's repair estimate is about $6K, nowhere near the 70-75% "totaled" amount.
    However, the accessor does not want the shop to order any parts until they've checked the
    vehicle for unseen structural damage. It could still end up being totaled. I should know
    more next week. Maybe $13.8K will get us a "comparable vehicle", but probably not.

    Current local availability for a CR-V EX starts at a 2014 with 106K for $17K plus tax and
    title, probably pushing $19K. Not sure about it's overall condition though.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 12 22:38:30 2022
    On 3/10/2022 12:01, TimeOut52 wrote:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock
    movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears
    to be, what i would call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in
    the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Unfortunately, I am not aware of any clock newsgroups. Your best bet is
    to take it to a clock repairman for a consultation. Your local antique
    store might have a lead. I work at an antique mall in town, and one of
    our regular customers has a clock repair business. I have an old mantle
    clock that I need to take to him. It might keep time for an hour, or a
    couple of days, but the pendulum always eventually stops.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Sun Mar 13 17:37:38 2022
    On 3/12/2022 9:38 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01, TimeOut52 wrote:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock
    movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can
    figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears
    to be, what i would call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in
    the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Unfortunately, I am not aware of any clock newsgroups.  Your best bet is
    to take it to a clock repairman for a consultation.  Your local antique store might have a lead.  I work at an antique mall in town, and one of
    our regular customers has a clock repair business.  I have an old mantle clock that I need to take to him.  It might keep time for an hour, or a couple of days, but the pendulum always eventually stops.


    Wind up clocks typically need regular maintenance to prevent them from
    simply wearing out. We have a clock that we got new 40+ years ago. I
    never maintained it other than winding it. Finally about 9 years ago it
    simply would not run at all.

    The repair guy said I could pay him to disassemble and clean but it was
    likely going to need some parts replaced/repaired. That would be 2x~3x dollars. Or put in a new movement, exactly the same, for 1x dollars.
    And then on a 1~3 year maintenance schedule to make it last
    indefinitely, pay .4x.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 13 17:29:53 2022
    On 3/12/2022 7:33 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:03:11 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/12/2022 1:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
    energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or >>>>>>>>>> more technically gravitational potential energy.
    Actually no, the water just sits still.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock

    The water doesn't just "sit there".

    Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
    that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
    that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
    to exist. So sad. So lonely.

    There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or >>>>>>> the water.
    Look closely:

    https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg


    Tree Hugger! ;~)

    I hate trees.

    2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg

    2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg

    Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."

    The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway,
    this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.

    The van was totaled, no questions asked.

    The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
    today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
    extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't
    think it'll be that bad.
    Totaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost
    more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.

    I've been though this more than once. Totaled typically means that the cost to
    repair is greater than 70-75% of the cash value of the vehicle involved.
    The policy will spell out how this is handled. Not all work like that.
    FWIW I managed a body shop many years ago and totaled equaled the
    replacement price of a like vehicle.

    If the following site is correct, it appears that most states spell out how that will
    works, not the insurance company. There are others sites that say the same thing,
    but I didn't compare the values state by state across those sites. Not sure the actual
    numbers matter but the fact that certain states set the limit appears to be real.

    According to the following site, for states that don't set a percentage, a TLF (Total
    Loss Formula) is used (22 states). Fair market value of a vehicle minus its salvage
    value.

    Of the remaining states that do set a percentage, the 70%-75% figure that I used
    earlier is a very close 2nd to the TLF states at 21. There is smattering of 60%, 65%,
    80%, etc.

    Only 2 states (yours and Colorado) use 100% as a stated percentage.

    https://totallossappraisals.com/total-loss-threshold-by-state/

    Something else to consider, at least in Texas, and this concerns
    purchasing auto insurance. While regulated, that is all relative after
    certain individual factors.

    If 2 individuals live next door to each other, buy identical vehicles
    for the exact same price, are the exact same sex and age, and finally
    work for the same company making the same wage, their quotes can be
    different.
    Credit score can cost you hundreds.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 13 22:32:57 2022
    On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 17:29:53 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 3/12/2022 7:33 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:03:11 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/12/2022 1:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
    It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
    to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
    call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Proofread your post before posting.

    Take the clock to a clock repair shop.

    Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
    energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.


    OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
    in its small reservoir.

    I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or >>>>>>>>>>> more technically gravitational potential energy.
    Actually no, the water just sits still.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock

    The water doesn't just "sit there".

    Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
    that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
    that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
    to exist. So sad. So lonely.

    There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or >>>>>>>> the water.
    Look closely:

    https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg


    Tree Hugger! ;~)

    I hate trees.

    2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg

    2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg

    Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."

    The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway,
    this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.

    The van was totaled, no questions asked.

    The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
    today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
    extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't
    think it'll be that bad.
    Totaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost >>>>> more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.

    I've been though this more than once. Totaled typically means that the cost to
    repair is greater than 70-75% of the cash value of the vehicle involved. >>> The policy will spell out how this is handled. Not all work like that.
    FWIW I managed a body shop many years ago and totaled equaled the
    replacement price of a like vehicle.

    If the following site is correct, it appears that most states spell out how that will
    works, not the insurance company. There are others sites that say the same thing,
    but I didn't compare the values state by state across those sites. Not sure the actual
    numbers matter but the fact that certain states set the limit appears to be real.

    According to the following site, for states that don't set a percentage, a TLF (Total
    Loss Formula) is used (22 states). Fair market value of a vehicle minus its salvage
    value.

    Of the remaining states that do set a percentage, the 70%-75% figure that I used
    earlier is a very close 2nd to the TLF states at 21. There is smattering of 60%, 65%,
    80%, etc.

    Only 2 states (yours and Colorado) use 100% as a stated percentage.

    https://totallossappraisals.com/total-loss-threshold-by-state/

    Something else to consider, at least in Texas, and this concerns
    purchasing auto insurance. While regulated, that is all relative after >certain individual factors.

    If 2 individuals live next door to each other, buy identical vehicles
    for the exact same price, are the exact same sex and age, and finally
    work for the same company making the same wage, their quotes can be >different.
    Credit score can cost you hundreds.

    That's true in most of the country. Auto insurance isn't alone.
    Homeowner's insurance is the same. There is a strong correlation
    between credit score and risk. It's pretty easy to see the causality
    direction so it's a good marker for cost/price.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Leon on Tue Mar 15 00:14:44 2022
    On 3/13/2022 18:37, Leon wrote:
    On 3/12/2022 9:38 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01, TimeOut52 wrote:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock
    movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can
    figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears >>> to be, what i would call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in >>> the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Unfortunately, I am not aware of any clock newsgroups. Your best bet
    is to take it to a clock repairman for a consultation. Your local
    antique store might have a lead. I work at an antique mall in town,
    and one of our regular customers has a clock repair business. I have
    an old mantle clock that I need to take to him. It might keep time
    for an hour, or a couple of days, but the pendulum always eventually
    stops.


    Wind up clocks typically need regular maintenance to prevent them from
    simply wearing out. We have a clock that we got new 40+ years ago. I
    never maintained it other than winding it. Finally about 9 years ago it simply would not run at all.

    The repair guy said I could pay him to disassemble and clean but it was likely going to need some parts replaced/repaired. That would be 2x~3x dollars. Or put in a new movement, exactly the same, for 1x dollars.
    And then on a 1~3 year maintenance schedule to make it last
    indefinitely, pay .4x.

    I would have it repaired, personally. The new movement ruins the
    nostalgia for an antique clock, in my opinion. Same for people who gut
    old radios, etc. I restore them and listen to AM broadcasts.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Tue Mar 15 09:43:33 2022
    On 3/14/2022 11:14 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 3/13/2022 18:37, Leon wrote:
    On 3/12/2022 9:38 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01, TimeOut52 wrote:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock
    movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can >>>> figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There
    appears
    to be, what i would call, a starting wheel at the top of the
    movement in
    the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Unfortunately, I am not aware of any clock newsgroups.  Your best bet
    is to take it to a clock repairman for a consultation.  Your local
    antique store might have a lead.  I work at an antique mall in town,
    and one of our regular customers has a clock repair business.  I have
    an old mantle clock that I need to take to him.  It might keep time
    for an hour, or a couple of days, but the pendulum always eventually
    stops.


    Wind up clocks typically need regular maintenance to prevent them from
    simply wearing out. We have a clock that we got new 40+ years ago. I
    never maintained it other than winding it. Finally about 9 years ago it
    simply would not run at all.

    The repair guy said I could pay him to disassemble and clean but it was
    likely going to need some parts replaced/repaired. That would be 2x~3x
    dollars. Or put in a new movement, exactly the same, for 1x dollars.
    And then on a 1~3 year maintenance schedule to make it last
    indefinitely, pay .4x.

    I would have it repaired, personally.  The new movement ruins the
    nostalgia for an antique clock, in my opinion.  Same for people who gut
    old radios, etc.  I restore them and listen to AM broadcasts.


    Understood. If my clock was a hundred years old I "might" consider
    paying the extra money to have it repaired. I my case, the Seth Thomas movement is generic, so to speak. I was able to find the same
    brand/company that provided the original movement so it is not like Seth
    Thomas made all of the components of the clock to begin with.

    In my case, the clock is only 42 years old. It would be like you
    restoring a Magnavox or Zenith radio and finding the original
    electronics that were made by Panasonic.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 15 17:24:52 2022
    On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:43:33 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 3/14/2022 11:14 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 3/13/2022 18:37, Leon wrote:
    On 3/12/2022 9:38 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01, TimeOut52 wrote:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock
    movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can >>>>> figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There
    appears
    to be, what i would call, a starting wheel at the top of the
    movement in
    the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Unfortunately, I am not aware of any clock newsgroups. Your best bet
    is to take it to a clock repairman for a consultation. Your local
    antique store might have a lead. I work at an antique mall in town,
    and one of our regular customers has a clock repair business. I have
    an old mantle clock that I need to take to him. It might keep time
    for an hour, or a couple of days, but the pendulum always eventually
    stops.


    Wind up clocks typically need regular maintenance to prevent them from
    simply wearing out. We have a clock that we got new 40+ years ago. I
    never maintained it other than winding it. Finally about 9 years ago it
    simply would not run at all.

    The repair guy said I could pay him to disassemble and clean but it was
    likely going to need some parts replaced/repaired. That would be 2x~3x
    dollars. Or put in a new movement, exactly the same, for 1x dollars.
    And then on a 1~3 year maintenance schedule to make it last
    indefinitely, pay .4x.

    I would have it repaired, personally. The new movement ruins the
    nostalgia for an antique clock, in my opinion. Same for people who gut
    old radios, etc. I restore them and listen to AM broadcasts.

    I wouldn't restore it. What would I do with it? If I knew someone
    who could use it, they can have it but even though I remember much of
    the electronics of that era, I have no wish to own them now. They
    sounded like crap then and I can't imagine them being any better now.

    The "All American Five" was a damn dangerous contraption. I'm
    surprised more people weren't electrocuted (it's the famous drop-it-in-the-water murder weapon). Nope no nostalgia here either.

    The "good old days" in some ways was a better time but electronics
    wasn't one of them.

    Understood. If my clock was a hundred years old I "might" consider
    paying the extra money to have it repaired. I my case, the Seth Thomas >movement is generic, so to speak. I was able to find the same
    brand/company that provided the original movement so it is not like Seth >Thomas made all of the components of the clock to begin with.

    If your radio were 100 years old, it would be worth some real money
    though it might be quite hard to repair it.

    In my case, the clock is only 42 years old. It would be like you
    restoring a Magnavox or Zenith radio and finding the original
    electronics that were made by Panasonic.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Tue Mar 15 17:29:55 2022
    On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 17:24:52 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:43:33 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 3/14/2022 11:14 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 3/13/2022 18:37, Leon wrote:
    On 3/12/2022 9:38 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 3/10/2022 12:01, TimeOut52 wrote:
    My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock >>>>>> movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can >>>>>> figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There
    appears
    to be, what i would call, a starting wheel at the top of the
    movement in
    the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?

    Unfortunately, I am not aware of any clock newsgroups. Your best bet >>>>> is to take it to a clock repairman for a consultation. Your local
    antique store might have a lead. I work at an antique mall in town, >>>>> and one of our regular customers has a clock repair business. I have >>>>> an old mantle clock that I need to take to him. It might keep time
    for an hour, or a couple of days, but the pendulum always eventually >>>>> stops.


    Wind up clocks typically need regular maintenance to prevent them from >>>> simply wearing out. We have a clock that we got new 40+ years ago. I
    never maintained it other than winding it. Finally about 9 years ago it >>>> simply would not run at all.

    The repair guy said I could pay him to disassemble and clean but it was >>>> likely going to need some parts replaced/repaired. That would be 2x~3x >>>> dollars. Or put in a new movement, exactly the same, for 1x dollars.
    And then on a 1~3 year maintenance schedule to make it last
    indefinitely, pay .4x.

    I would have it repaired, personally. The new movement ruins the
    nostalgia for an antique clock, in my opinion. Same for people who gut
    old radios, etc. I restore them and listen to AM broadcasts.

    I wouldn't restore it. What would I do with it? If I knew someone
    who could use it, they can have it but even though I remember much of
    the electronics of that era, I have no wish to own them now. They
    sounded like crap then and I can't imagine them being any better now.

    The "All American Five" was a damn dangerous contraption. I'm
    surprised more people weren't electrocuted (it's the famous >drop-it-in-the-water murder weapon). Nope no nostalgia here either.

    The "good old days" in some ways was a better time but electronics
    wasn't one of them.

    Understood. If my clock was a hundred years old I "might" consider
    paying the extra money to have it repaired. I my case, the Seth Thomas >>movement is generic, so to speak. I was able to find the same >>brand/company that provided the original movement so it is not like Seth >>Thomas made all of the components of the clock to begin with.

    If your radio were 100 years old, it would be worth some real money
    though it might be quite hard to repair it.

    I started thinking about this just as I hit the send button. KDKA
    started transmitting on Nov. 2 1920, so 100yrs isn't that much of a
    stretch.

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  • From Carlo latino@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 8 23:31:37 2022
    Is this a kit ? I have assembly instructions for model 7152.

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  • From dave b@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 1 18:02:08 2022
    I just found your post from 6 years ago. Do you still have a copy of these plans? If you do could you send/sell me a copy please?

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to 7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@ex on Thu Sep 1 22:17:06 2022
    On Thu, 01 Sep 2022 18:02:08 +0000, dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:

    I just found your post from 6 years ago. Do you still have a copy of these plans? If you do could you send/sell me a copy please?

    And just why do you think anyone cares what a troll is selling.
    Including, possibly, a virus.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to 7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@ex on Sun Sep 4 00:10:15 2022
    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:

    Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.

    Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a
    troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold
    off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.

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  • From dave b@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 4 05:01:29 2022
    Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.

    --
    For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/mason-and-sullivan-plans-search-449912-.htm

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 4 09:45:49 2022
    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b ><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:

    Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.

    Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a
    troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold
    off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.

    Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't
    reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can
    even pretend to be that stupid.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Sun Sep 4 10:03:45 2022
    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:

    Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.

    Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold
    off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.

    Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't
    reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can
    even pretend to be that stupid.

    You over estimate other humans.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 4 14:32:03 2022
    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:03:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >>><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:

    Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.

    Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold
    off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.

    Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't
    reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can
    even pretend to be that stupid.

    You over estimate other humans.

    Never. These trolls know exactly what they're doing. Notice that they
    never come back? Drive-by trolling.

    If you never expect competence, you won't be disappointed.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Sun Sep 4 15:37:36 2022
    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:32:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:03:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >>>><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:

    Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.

    Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>>>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold >>>>off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.

    Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't
    reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can
    even pretend to be that stupid.

    You over estimate other humans.

    Never. These trolls know exactly what they're doing. Notice that they
    never come back? Drive-by trolling.

    If you never expect competence, you won't be disappointed.

    You never disappoint me

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Sun Sep 4 16:38:45 2022
    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 17:26:42 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 15:37:36 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:32:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:03:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >>>>>><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:

    Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.

    Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>>>>>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold >>>>>>off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.

    Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't >>>>>reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can >>>>>even pretend to be that stupid.

    You over estimate other humans.

    Never. These trolls know exactly what they're doing. Notice that they >>>never come back? Drive-by trolling.

    If you never expect competence, you won't be disappointed.

    You never disappoint me

    Thank you. Now, go take a course in logic.

    Well I never expect you to treat someone just seeking help with a
    project from Homeowner Hub site with respect. I can expect you to take
    my bait, hook, sinker and line, but I still have my rod and reel.

    No go back to yelling at the kids to get off your lawn.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 4 17:26:42 2022
    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 15:37:36 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:32:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:03:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >>>>><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:

    Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.

    Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>>>>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold >>>>>off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.

    Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't
    reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can >>>>even pretend to be that stupid.

    You over estimate other humans.

    Never. These trolls know exactly what they're doing. Notice that they >>never come back? Drive-by trolling.

    If you never expect competence, you won't be disappointed.

    You never disappoint me

    Thank you. Now, go take a course in logic.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 4 22:07:15 2022
    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 16:38:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 17:26:42 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 15:37:36 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:32:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:03:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >>>>>>><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:

    Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.

    Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>>>>>>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold >>>>>>>off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.

    Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't >>>>>>reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can >>>>>>even pretend to be that stupid.

    You over estimate other humans.

    Never. These trolls know exactly what they're doing. Notice that they >>>>never come back? Drive-by trolling.

    If you never expect competence, you won't be disappointed.

    You never disappoint me

    Thank you. Now, go take a course in logic.

    Well I never expect you to treat someone just seeking help with a
    project from Homeowner Hub site with respect. I can expect you to take
    my bait, hook, sinker and line, but I still have my rod and reel.

    I've never seen you help.

    No go back to yelling at the kids to get off your lawn.

    Trolls? YBYA

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Sun Sep 4 22:16:46 2022
    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 22:07:15 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 16:38:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 17:26:42 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 15:37:36 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:32:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:03:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:

    On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >>>>>>>><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:

    Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.

    Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>>>>>>>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold >>>>>>>>off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.

    Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't >>>>>>>reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can >>>>>>>even pretend to be that stupid.

    You over estimate other humans.

    Never. These trolls know exactly what they're doing. Notice that they >>>>>never come back? Drive-by trolling.

    If you never expect competence, you won't be disappointed.

    You never disappoint me

    Thank you. Now, go take a course in logic.

    Well I never expect you to treat someone just seeking help with a
    project from Homeowner Hub site with respect. I can expect you to take
    my bait, hook, sinker and line, but I still have my rod and reel.

    I've never seen you help.

    That the trouble with being selective in memories. Bias ya know.

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  • From dave b@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 5 04:01:38 2022
    Well - He's not totally wrong on several points but mostly
    Competence - Nope - I'm not - didn't realize this conversation was *13* years old
    and ignorance is not the same as stupid. Stupid is forever. Ignorance may be temporary. And I'm still pretty ignorant on how to use this blog especially with only one eye. You should see me with a table saw! And I still have all my fingers.
    But I still need the plans for this model 6150 clock case if anyone can help me (actually my other eye works well enough to use the saw but not so much the computer).

    --
    For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/mason-and-sullivan-plans-search-449912-.htm

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to 7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@ex on Sun Sep 4 23:45:23 2022
    On Mon, 05 Sep 2022 04:01:38 +0000, dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:

    Well - He's not totally wrong on several points but mostly
    Competence - Nope - I'm not - didn't realize this conversation was *13* years old
    and ignorance is not the same as stupid. Stupid is forever. Ignorance may be temporary. And I'm still pretty ignorant on how to use this blog especially with only one eye. You should see me with a table saw! And I still have all my fingers.
    But I still need the plans for this model 6150 clock case if anyone can help me (actually my other eye works well enough to use the saw but not so much the computer).

    Homeowners Hub uses usenet as content, the news group is
    rec.woodworking but they also use a couple of other groups.

    The fellow who called you a troll does it to almost all post from HH,
    his defintion of a troll is his own and really does not actually have
    a basis in reality.

    Sorry I can not help with your search, good luck.

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  • From Puckdropper@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 6 06:24:27 2022
    dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote in news:1710ce83e874ff0e$19$1937703$4636d863@news.newsgroupdirect.com:

    I just found your post from 6 years ago. Do you still have a copy of
    these plans? If you do could you send/sell me a copy please?


    Have you tried the email address? There's a good chance it's changed, but there's also a possibility it's the same. Try the other dude too, just in case. This newsgroup has gone down a lot in recent times, so the chances
    of finding someone from 6 years ago is pretty small.

    You may also have some luck with the forum here. https://www.nawcc.org/

    Puckdropper

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  • From Donald Davenport@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 19 22:45:03 2022
    I have the plans for the 6150. Still looking for them?

    --
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  • From dave b@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 14:01:33 2022
    I am. I'm currently fighting Covid. How would you like to do this?

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  • From Donald@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 17:15:03 2022
    Let's take this off the board. Email me please.

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  • From dave b@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 20:01:39 2022
    I hope this goes to you by email and not to the forum.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to cf1573c4abb35a02e7a2ed4c4088bd00@ex on Tue Sep 20 17:00:45 2022
    On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 21:45:03 +0000, Donald Davenport <cf1573c4abb35a02e7a2ed4c4088bd00@example.com> wrote:

    No, didn't receive anything. When I tried emailing you by using the drop down button it was sent to 7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com. That's not a valid address. I tried clicking on my name, I also got @example.com. That is not my email. Don'
    t know how to move past this problem. Not going to post my email address publicly. Suggestions?

    I have noted that Homeowners hub obscure email address of it's
    posters. So there is that.

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  • From Donald Davenport@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 21:45:03 2022
    No, didn't receive anything. When I tried emailing you by using the drop down button it was sent to 7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com. That's not a valid address. I tried clicking on my name, I also got @example.com. That is not my email. Don'
    t know how to move past this problem. Not going to post my email address publicly. Suggestions?

    --
    For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/mason-and-sullivan-plans-search-449912-.htm

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to dave b on Tue Sep 20 14:18:21 2022
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 4:01:43 PM UTC-4, dave b wrote:
    I hope this goes to you by email and not to the forum.

    Your hopes have been dashed. ;-)

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Donald Davenport on Tue Sep 20 15:22:10 2022
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 5:45:07 PM UTC-4, Donald Davenport wrote:
    No, didn't receive anything. When I tried emailing you by using the drop down button it was sent to 7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com. That's not a valid address. I tried clicking on my name, I also got @example.com. That is not my email. Don't know how
    to move past this problem. Not going to post my email address publicly. Suggestions?

    Post your phone number so he can call you and get your email address. ;-)

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to cf1573c4abb35a02e7a2ed4c4088bd00@ex on Tue Sep 20 20:10:27 2022
    On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 21:45:03 +0000, Donald Davenport <cf1573c4abb35a02e7a2ed4c4088bd00@example.com> wrote:

    No, didn't receive anything.
    When I tried emailing you by using the drop down button it was sent to
    7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com. That's not a valid address.
    I tried clicking on my name, I also got @example.com. That is not my email. Don't know how to move past this problem.
    Not going to post my email address publicly. Suggestions?

    If one of you two has a web email that you seldom use
    or use mainly for sketchy stuff - post it here ..
    I have 3 email addys 1 with my ISP and 2 web-based
    for stuff like this and spammy stuff.
    John T.

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  • From dave b@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 00:01:45 2022
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    --
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  • From dave b@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 05:01:42 2022
    Obscuring is one thing but making them useless is quite another!

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  • From Donald Davenport@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 05:01:42 2022
    Maybe post a WTB on Craigslist (or some other forum that allows email) for Mason & Sullivan 6150 plans. Let me know when it posted. I'll try searching for it. We should be able to contact each other then.

    --
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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to 7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@ex on Wed Sep 21 08:08:29 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 05:01:42 +0000, dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:

    John,
    How did you send this
    (I received an email apparently from John T that may be an guru of the group that didn't get posted to the board)?
    It looks like it came from a real email address
    with a reply-to field of rec.woodworking at Google groups dot com
    addressed to me via the board (something like ><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com>" which obviously doesn't work).
    Also the reply-to doesn't seem to work very well but I'll give it a try here.
    dave (just in case I'm idrathernot2010+homeownershub@gmail.com - let's see if this gets filtered)
    BTW - the Reply-To field is bogus too - it bounced - I guess Google Groups is broken!


    I didn't send any emails. I suspect that google groups and/or
    homeowners hub is cludging things.
    John T.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to dave b on Wed Sep 21 13:49:57 2022
    dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 10:44:37 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Wed Sep 21 08:38:05 2022
    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:
    dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    While usenet content is technically copyrighted, I've always considered
    that both the Fair Use and Implied License sections of the copyright act
    apply.

    "leaching" may not equate to "stealing" under the copyright act since (in most cases) none of us are harmed when HOH - or any other website that reposts usenet content - copies/presents said content.

    (and by "harmed" I don't mean embarrassed/pissed off by having our nym/name show up on that POS forum. In that respect we are most certainly harmed.)

    If not for fair use/implied license, any of us that ever copied a link or set of
    instructions or anything else from a usenet post would be guilty of copyright infringement.

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  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Wed Sep 21 12:42:42 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
    put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
    do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 14:34:30 2022
    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:42:51 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights
    Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
    put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
    do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.

    By default, your own material *is* copyrighted. You don't void your copyright by posting it, but you do (have to) allow it to be used by virtue of the Fair Use
    and (possibly) the Implied License sections of the copyright act.

    From one of many hits from a search of 'is everything I write copyrighted'

    <https://www.writersdigest.com/whats-new/6-questions-writers-ask-about-copyright-and-the-law>

    "Do I need to register my work with the U.S. Copyright Office to hold a copyright on the work?

    No. Your work is copyrighted the moment it hits a tangible medium—
    everything from your scribbles on a piece of paper to your musings on
    your Internet blog are protected. "

    and then from:

    <https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/fair-use-rule-copyright-material-30100.html>

    "Under the "fair use" defense, another author may make limited use of the original author's work without asking permission. Pursuant to 17 U.S.
    Code § 107, certain uses of copyrighted material "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies
    for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright." "

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  • From dave b@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 22:45:02 2022
    I give up. Try braun.david.a@gmail.com - I haven't used this since I was looking for a job (retired now) so it's been a few years. I'll watch for you.

    --
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  • From Donald Davenport@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 22:45:03 2022
    Dave, I don't know what else I can do without your email address. I can't get them to you if we can't communicate. Let me know if you figure out a way to email me.

    --
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  • From Just Wondering@21:1/5 to Donald Davenport on Wed Sep 21 17:22:12 2022
    On 9/21/2022 4:45 PM, Donald Davenport wrote:
    Dave, I don't know what else I can do without your email address. I
    can't get them to you if we can't communicate. Let me know if you figure
    out a way to email me.

    Fine woodworking takes skill but it's not rocket science.
    Is it feasible to get photos of the desired clock and reverse
    engineer plans?

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 21:10:37 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
    put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
    do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.

    Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to
    that work.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Wed Sep 21 21:09:24 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:
    dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    While usenet content is technically copyrighted, I've always considered
    that both the Fair Use and Implied License sections of the copyright act >apply.

    "leaching" may not equate to "stealing" under the copyright act since (in most >cases) none of us are harmed when HOH - or any other website that reposts >usenet content - copies/presents said content.

    The fact is that it IS copyrighted.

    (and by "harmed" I don't mean embarrassed/pissed off by having our nym/name >show up on that POS forum. In that respect we are most certainly harmed.)

    If not for fair use/implied license, any of us that ever copied a link or set of
    instructions or anything else from a usenet post would be guilty of copyright >infringement.

    No, there is no "fair use". You can't copy something in it's entirety
    and claim "fair use".

    I didn't give permission to use my post, or my name.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Wed Sep 21 21:14:10 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:42:51 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights
    Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
    put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
    do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.

    By default, your own material *is* copyrighted. You don't void your copyright >by posting it, but you do (have to) allow it to be used by virtue of the Fair Use
    and (possibly) the Implied License sections of the copyright act.

    Implied license would include all nodes on the Usenet. I wouldn't
    have posted it to the Usenet if I didn't expect it to be distributed
    throughout the network.

    Trivial pieces can be used under "fair use" and parody is allowed
    under "fair use". Copying an entire work is not.

    From one of many hits from a search of 'is everything I write copyrighted'

    <https://www.writersdigest.com/whats-new/6-questions-writers-ask-about-copyright-and-the-law>

    "Do I need to register my work with the U.S. Copyright Office to hold a >copyright on the work?

    No. Your work is copyrighted the moment it hits a tangible medium
    everything from your scribbles on a piece of paper to your musings on
    your Internet blog are protected. "

    and then from:

    <https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/fair-use-rule-copyright-material-30100.html>

    "Under the "fair use" defense, another author may make limited use of the >original author's work without asking permission. Pursuant to 17 U.S.
    Code 107, certain uses of copyrighted material "for purposes such as >criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies
    for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of >copyright." "

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Wed Sep 21 19:52:30 2022
    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 9:14:17 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:42:51 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights
    Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
    put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
    do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.

    By default, your own material *is* copyrighted. You don't void your copyright
    by posting it, but you do (have to) allow it to be used by virtue of the Fair Use
    and (possibly) the Implied License sections of the copyright act.
    Implied license would include all nodes on the Usenet. I wouldn't
    have posted it to the Usenet if I didn't expect it to be distributed throughout the network.

    Trivial pieces can be used under "fair use" and parody is allowed
    under "fair use". Copying an entire work is not.

    So sue them if you are so sure that you have a case.

    Bitching about it and calling them trolls every time you see the HOH tag
    line isn't going to get them to stop stealing your precious words.


    From one of many hits from a search of 'is everything I write copyrighted'

    <https://www.writersdigest.com/whats-new/6-questions-writers-ask-about-copyright-and-the-law>

    "Do I need to register my work with the U.S. Copyright Office to hold a >copyright on the work?

    No. Your work is copyrighted the moment it hits a tangible medium— >everything from your scribbles on a piece of paper to your musings on
    your Internet blog are protected. "

    and then from:

    <https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/fair-use-rule-copyright-material-30100.html>

    "Under the "fair use" defense, another author may make limited use of the >original author's work without asking permission. Pursuant to 17 U.S.
    Code § 107, certain uses of copyrighted material "for purposes such as >criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies >for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of >copyright." "

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to teamarrows@eznet.net on Thu Sep 22 00:05:55 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 19:52:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 9:14:17 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:42:51 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights
    Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
    put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
    do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.

    By default, your own material *is* copyrighted. You don't void your copyright
    by posting it, but you do (have to) allow it to be used by virtue of the Fair Use
    and (possibly) the Implied License sections of the copyright act.
    Implied license would include all nodes on the Usenet. I wouldn't
    have posted it to the Usenet if I didn't expect it to be distributed
    throughout the network.

    Trivial pieces can be used under "fair use" and parody is allowed
    under "fair use". Copying an entire work is not.

    So sue them if you are so sure that you have a case.

    Bitching about it and calling them trolls every time you see the HOH tag
    line isn't going to get them to stop stealing your precious words.

    Only because they are.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Wed Sep 21 23:11:39 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:09:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
    <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:
    dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    While usenet content is technically copyrighted, I've always considered >>that both the Fair Use and Implied License sections of the copyright act >>apply.

    "leaching" may not equate to "stealing" under the copyright act since (in most
    cases) none of us are harmed when HOH - or any other website that reposts >>usenet content - copies/presents said content.

    The fact is that it IS copyrighted.

    (and by "harmed" I don't mean embarrassed/pissed off by having our nym/name >>show up on that POS forum. In that respect we are most certainly harmed.)

    If not for fair use/implied license, any of us that ever copied a link or set of
    instructions or anything else from a usenet post would be guilty of copyright >>infringement.

    No, there is no "fair use". You can't copy something in it's entirety
    and claim "fair use".

    I didn't give permission to use my post, or my name.

    Then do not post on usenet simple, one can fully copy your post of
    yours in a reply and have no concern about you claiming copyright
    infringment. If you could find a lawyer to take your case you would
    being conned out of your money.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Wed Sep 21 23:13:57 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:10:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
    put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
    do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.

    Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to
    that work.

    Good luck on collecting any royalties.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 10:11:24 2022
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:13:57 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:10:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just >>>put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
    do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.

    Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to
    that work.

    Good luck on collecting any royalties.

    Idiot.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Sep 22 11:08:07 2022
    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:11:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:13:57 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:10:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just >>>>put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you >>>>do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.

    Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to >>>that work.

    Good luck on collecting any royalties.

    Idiot.

    Kettle.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Sep 22 11:07:16 2022
    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:11:05 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:11:39 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:09:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 >>><teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>> wrote:
    dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    While usenet content is technically copyrighted, I've always considered >>>>that both the Fair Use and Implied License sections of the copyright act >>>>apply.

    "leaching" may not equate to "stealing" under the copyright act since (in most
    cases) none of us are harmed when HOH - or any other website that reposts >>>>usenet content - copies/presents said content.

    The fact is that it IS copyrighted.

    (and by "harmed" I don't mean embarrassed/pissed off by having our nym/name >>>>show up on that POS forum. In that respect we are most certainly harmed.) >>>
    If not for fair use/implied license, any of us that ever copied a link or set of
    instructions or anything else from a usenet post would be guilty of copyright
    infringement.

    No, there is no "fair use". You can't copy something in it's entirety >>>and claim "fair use".

    I didn't give permission to use my post, or my name.

    Then do not post on usenet simple, one can fully copy your post of
    yours in a reply and have no concern about you claiming copyright >>infringment. If you could find a lawyer to take your case you would
    being conned out of your money.

    You're dead wrong. My copyright exists because I created something. It
    is illegal to copy it without my permission. Just because I'm not
    going to hire a lawyer doesn't change the facts one little bit.
    Homemoaners club is still guilty of IP theft.

    Incorrect, so by your reasoning Google groups is also guilty.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 20:13:32 2022
    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:07:16 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:11:05 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:11:39 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:09:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 >>>><teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>> wrote:
    dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    While usenet content is technically copyrighted, I've always considered >>>>>that both the Fair Use and Implied License sections of the copyright act >>>>>apply.

    "leaching" may not equate to "stealing" under the copyright act since (in most
    cases) none of us are harmed when HOH - or any other website that reposts >>>>>usenet content - copies/presents said content.

    The fact is that it IS copyrighted.

    (and by "harmed" I don't mean embarrassed/pissed off by having our nym/name
    show up on that POS forum. In that respect we are most certainly harmed.) >>>>
    If not for fair use/implied license, any of us that ever copied a link or set of
    instructions or anything else from a usenet post would be guilty of copyright
    infringement.

    No, there is no "fair use". You can't copy something in it's entirety >>>>and claim "fair use".

    I didn't give permission to use my post, or my name.

    Then do not post on usenet simple, one can fully copy your post of
    yours in a reply and have no concern about you claiming copyright >>>infringment. If you could find a lawyer to take your case you would
    being conned out of your money.

    You're dead wrong. My copyright exists because I created something. It
    is illegal to copy it without my permission. Just because I'm not
    going to hire a lawyer doesn't change the facts one little bit.
    Homemoaners club is still guilty of IP theft.

    Incorrect, so by your reasoning Google groups is also guilty.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

    No, moron. They are a feed for the Usenet. They are not stealing
    information without even attribution.

    Good god, what an idiot.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 20:11:36 2022
    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:08:07 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:11:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:13:57 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:10:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes: >>>>>>>>Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just >>>>>put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you >>>>>do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.

    Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to >>>>that work.

    Good luck on collecting any royalties.

    Idiot.

    Kettle.

    Maybe I should explain it in terms even idiot can understand (probably
    not).

    Homemoaners *IS* violating copyright, therefore thieves. which is what
    I claimed. I never claimed that I was going to sue them.

    Got it now, dummy!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Sep 22 19:26:42 2022
    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:13:32 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:07:16 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:11:05 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:11:39 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:09:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 >>>>><teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>> wrote:
    dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
    Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    While usenet content is technically copyrighted, I've always considered >>>>>>that both the Fair Use and Implied License sections of the copyright act >>>>>>apply.

    "leaching" may not equate to "stealing" under the copyright act since (in most
    cases) none of us are harmed when HOH - or any other website that reposts
    usenet content - copies/presents said content.

    The fact is that it IS copyrighted.

    (and by "harmed" I don't mean embarrassed/pissed off by having our nym/name
    show up on that POS forum. In that respect we are most certainly harmed.) >>>>>
    If not for fair use/implied license, any of us that ever copied a link or set of
    instructions or anything else from a usenet post would be guilty of copyright
    infringement.

    No, there is no "fair use". You can't copy something in it's entirety >>>>>and claim "fair use".

    I didn't give permission to use my post, or my name.

    Then do not post on usenet simple, one can fully copy your post of >>>>yours in a reply and have no concern about you claiming copyright >>>>infringment. If you could find a lawyer to take your case you would >>>>being conned out of your money.

    You're dead wrong. My copyright exists because I created something. It
    is illegal to copy it without my permission. Just because I'm not
    going to hire a lawyer doesn't change the facts one little bit. >>>Homemoaners club is still guilty of IP theft.

    Incorrect, so by your reasoning Google groups is also guilty.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

    No, moron. They are a feed for the Usenet. They are not stealing
    information without even attribution.

    Good god, what an idiot.

    As is HOH, which does attribute that they repackage a few usenet
    groups for content.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Sep 22 19:46:39 2022
    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:11:36 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:08:07 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:11:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:13:57 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:10:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>>wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes: >>>>>>>>>Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just >>>>>>put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you >>>>>>do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.

    Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to >>>>>that work.

    Good luck on collecting any royalties.

    Idiot.

    Kettle.

    Maybe I should explain it in terms even idiot can understand (probably
    not).

    Homemoaners *IS* violating copyright, therefore thieves. which is what
    I claimed. I never claimed that I was going to sue them.

    Got it now, dummy!

    Okay so complain to abuse@newsgroupdirect.com which is HOH usenet
    provider, I am sure to abuse department could use the entertainment.
    If they are really infringing on copyrights HOH will disappear, but I
    would not bet on it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Markem618@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Sep 22 19:35:29 2022
    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:11:36 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:08:07 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:11:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:13:57 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:10:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:

    On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>>wrote:

    dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes: >>>>>>>>>Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?

    Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.

    c/leaches/steals
    copyrights are copyrights

    Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just >>>>>>put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you >>>>>>do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.

    Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to >>>>>that work.

    Good luck on collecting any royalties.

    Idiot.

    Kettle.

    Maybe I should explain it in terms even idiot can understand (probably
    not).

    Homemoaners *IS* violating copyright, therefore thieves. which is what
    I claimed. I never claimed that I was going to sue them.

    Got it now, dummy!

    Your ignorant intransigence does not prove your point that they are
    stealing, all they are doing is providing access to a few usenet
    groups, which they state on the site. There is no copyright issue
    here.

    Google has done the same, Dejanews until Google bought them.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 20:51:53 2022

    No, moron. They are a feed for the Usenet. They are not stealing >>information without even attribution.
    Good god, what an idiot.

    As is HOH, which does attribute that they repackage a few usenet
    groups for content.



    I'm pretty sure that HomeOwnersHub owns the internet ..
    .... at least the usenet part of it.
    So they naturally have all the rights to everything.
    Period.
    John T.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From hubops@ccanoemail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 21:03:27 2022

    Homemoaners *IS* violating copyright, therefore thieves. which is what
    I claimed. I never claimed that I was going to sue them.
    Got it now, dummy!

    Okay so complain to abuse@newsgroupdirect.com which is HOH usenet
    provider, I am sure to abuse department could use the entertainment.
    If they are really infringing on copyrights HOH will disappear, but I
    would not bet on it.


    I will bet on it - I'll give 8 to 3 odds - that
    HomeOwnersHub will fail before these two idiots
    complete their off-topic pissing contest here
    on rec woodworking ..
    John T.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From 10x@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Fri Sep 23 06:36:48 2022
    On Sep 22, 2022, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote
    (in article<u01qihd01gpc3nfgmqjbf187uss5h9aqct@4ax.com>):

    I will bet on it - I'll give 8 to 3 odds - that
    HomeOwnersHub will fail before these two idiots
    complete their off-topic pissing contest here
    on rec woodworking ..

    I was once given the following advice:

    Never get in a fight with a pig.
    You’ll both end up getting dirty,
    but the pig actually enjoys it!

    Just sayin...

    Joe

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Fri Sep 23 14:04:15 2022
    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 21:03:27 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:



    Homemoaners *IS* violating copyright, therefore thieves. which is what
    I claimed. I never claimed that I was going to sue them.
    Got it now, dummy!

    Okay so complain to abuse@newsgroupdirect.com which is HOH usenet
    provider, I am sure to abuse department could use the entertainment.
    If they are really infringing on copyrights HOH will disappear, but I
    would not bet on it.


    I will bet on it - I'll give 8 to 3 odds - that
    HomeOwnersHub will fail before these two idiots
    complete their off-topic pissing contest here
    on rec woodworking ..
    John T.
    It's been around stealing from others for twenty years. At least
    we're getting questions from Homoaners club from that far back. It's
    not likely to go away. It takes no work to steal. Just set up a bot
    and suck whatever you want.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.com on Fri Sep 23 14:00:41 2022
    On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:51:53 -0400, hubops@ccanoemail.com wrote:



    No, moron. They are a feed for the Usenet. They are not stealing >>>information without even attribution.
    Good god, what an idiot.

    As is HOH, which does attribute that they repackage a few usenet
    groups for content.



    I'm pretty sure that HomeOwnersHub owns the internet ..
    .... at least the usenet part of it.
    So they naturally have all the rights to everything.
    Period.
    John T.

    LOL!

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  • From Puckdropper@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 24 07:23:10 2022
    Donald Davenport <cf1573c4abb35a02e7a2ed4c4088bd00@example.com> wrote in news:1717018f7d81be95$339$2952698$4656d803@news.newsgroupdirect.com:

    Dave, I don't know what else I can do without your email address. I
    can't get them to you if we can't communicate. Let me know if you
    figure out a way to email me.


    My e-mail is real. Spam filters take care of most of the non-sense. If
    you guys can't figure out a way to e-mail each other, e-mail me and put rec.woodworking in the subject and I'll pass on your e-mail address to the other guy after I get it.

    Puckdropper

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  • From fishingmachine@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 11 18:32:29 2023
    :K8_hl.852$N02.253 @nwrddc02.gnilink.net:

    I built two of the Mason and Sullivan grandmother clock. Lost the plans years ago. Would like to build another one.

    If you still have the plans I would like too get a copy from you it you are willing. Would like to see a picture of the clock just to make sure it is the same clock I built years ago.

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    For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/mason-and-sullivan-plans-search-449912-.htm

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  • From OrthoHall@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 12 00:47:50 2023
    Yes I have a Model M160B

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    For full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/mason-and-sullivan-plans-search-449912-.htm

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  • From dave b@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 14 04:17:27 2023
    ok - I'm "replying without an account" whatever that means. But I'm logged in and it's filled in my email address correctly. If you respond to that email address and it has a reasonable address and you're still willing we can arrange to exchange the
    plans for the M&S 6150 clock plans. I have all the raw wood parts (I think) but not the plan on what goes where etc.
    Dave B

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to dave b on Tue Nov 14 15:10:37 2023
    dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
    ok - I'm "replying without an account" whatever that means.

    It doesn't mean much.

    Home Moaners hub steals content from Usenet, which is where
    most people read this, i.e. the Usenet group 'rec.woodworking'.

    But I'm logged in and it's filled in my email address correctly.

    Your email address doesn't show up in Usenet, so no one can
    send you anything.

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