My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement. >It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how >to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would >call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c2d5832bccc2066e7@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement. >> It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how >> to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i wouldProofread your post before posting.
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c2d5832bccc2066e7@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
in its small reservoir.
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:22:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sittingOr a wall outlet. ;-)
in its small reservoir.
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c2d5832bccc2066e7@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
in its small reservoir.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c2d5832bccc2066e7@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the >>> energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
in its small reservoir.
I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
more technically gravitational potential energy.
On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the >>> energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery. >>
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
in its small reservoir.
I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", orActually no, the water just sits still.
more technically gravitational potential energy.
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:Actually no, the water just sits still.
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the >>>>> energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery. >>>>
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting >>>> in its small reservoir.
I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
more technically gravitational potential energy.
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock
The water doesn't just "sit there".
Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
to exist. So sad. So lonely.
On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:Actually no, the water just sits still.
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the >>>>> energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery. >>>>
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting >>>> in its small reservoir.
I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
more technically gravitational potential energy.
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock
The water doesn't just "sit there".
Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
to exist. So sad. So lonely.
There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or
the water.
Tree Hugger! ;~)
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:Actually no, the water just sits still.
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
in its small reservoir.
I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
more technically gravitational potential energy.
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock
The water doesn't just "sit there".
Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
to exist. So sad. So lonely.
There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and orLook closely:
the water.
https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg
Tree Hugger! ;~)
I hate trees.
2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg
2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg
Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Look closely:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or
On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:The water doesn't just "sit there".
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:Actually no, the water just sits still.
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the >>>>>>>> energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting >>>>>>> in its small reservoir.
I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
more technically gravitational potential energy.
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock >>>>
Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
to exist. So sad. So lonely.
the water.
https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg
Tree Hugger! ;~)
I hate trees.
2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg
2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg
Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."
The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway, this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.
The van was totaled, no questions asked.
The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't think it'll be that bad.
On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Look closely:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or >>> the water.
On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:Actually no, the water just sits still.
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
in its small reservoir.
I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or
more technically gravitational potential energy.
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock
The water doesn't just "sit there".
Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
to exist. So sad. So lonely.
https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg
Tree Hugger! ;~)
I hate trees.
2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg
2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg
Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."
The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway,
this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.
The van was totaled, no questions asked.
The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used carsTotaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost
today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't think it'll be that bad.
more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.
If the vehicle is not damaged beyond the possibility of a successful
repair you can take the payment and pay the difference to complete the repairs.
And quite often it does not take much more money to to do the
repair.
Why not take the money and buy a comparable vehicle? You know your
vehicles service records and its history.
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:Totaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Look closely:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or >>>>> the water.
On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:Actually no, the water just sits still.
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
in its small reservoir.
I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or >>>>>>>> more technically gravitational potential energy.
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock
The water doesn't just "sit there".
Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
to exist. So sad. So lonely.
https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg
Tree Hugger! ;~)
I hate trees.
2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg
2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg
Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."
The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway,
this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.
The van was totaled, no questions asked.
The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't >>> think it'll be that bad.
more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.
I've been though this more than once. Totaled typically means that the cost to
repair is greater than 70-75% of the cash value of the vehicle involved.
If the vehicle is not damaged beyond the possibility of a successful
repair you can take the payment and pay the difference to complete the
repairs.
Yes, in some cases it's that easy, in some cases - especially on a vehicle with a low cash value - it doesn't make financial sense. In addition, depending
on the age of the vehicle, you may have to deal with a salvage title, which can be
real PITA. (I would not have to in this case, which is a good thing.)
And quite often it does not take much more money to to do the
repair.
Except that you don't get the full payment if they deem it totaled and you buy it
back.
Depending on where those numbers land, your out-of-pocket expenses could be pretty high.
Why not take the money and buy a comparable vehicle? You know your
vehicles service records and its history.
Well, in the case of the 2014 incident, I doubt I ever would have found a "comparable
vehicle". It was a 2004 Odyssey with 160K on it. Most 10 YO vehicles with 160K on
them don't look as good as my 10 YO vehicles with 160K on them. I'm just a tad
anal when it comes to interior, exterior and engine compartment cleanliness. Unfortunately, even if a 10 YO vehicle with 160K is in really good condition, the cash
value is (was) still so low that you'll never get what you had for that money. I've been
through that twice.
Fast forward to 2022...
Based on this current situation your suggestion may not come into play. Two key factors:
the current estimate of the repair and the price of used cars these days. We'll have to see
what the repair shop says after they start taking the hatch off, etc.
According to the Ins Co, the current cash value of SWMBO's 2011 CR-V EX with 112K miles
is...wait for it...$13.8K, taxes included. I was shocked. $9K would have been my estimate.
(Remember my "cleanliness" comment above? $1100 of the $13.8K is a Condition credit
because it's in better condition that most other vehicles in that space.)
The accessor's repair estimate is about $6K, nowhere near the 70-75% "totaled" amount.
However, the accessor does not want the shop to order any parts until they've checked the
vehicle for unseen structural damage. It could still end up being totaled. I should know
more next week. Maybe $13.8K will get us a "comparable vehicle", but probably not.
Current local availability for a CR-V EX starts at a 2014 with 106K for $17K plus tax and
title, probably pushing $19K. Not sure about it's overall condition though.
On 3/12/2022 1:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:Totaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Look closely:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or >>>>>> the water.
On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:Actually no, the water just sits still.
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
in its small reservoir.
I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or >>>>>>>>> more technically gravitational potential energy.
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock
The water doesn't just "sit there".
Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
to exist. So sad. So lonely.
https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg
Tree Hugger! ;~)
I hate trees.
2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg
2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg
Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."
The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway,
this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.
The van was totaled, no questions asked.
The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't
think it'll be that bad.
more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.
I've been though this more than once. Totaled typically means that the cost to
repair is greater than 70-75% of the cash value of the vehicle involved.
The policy will spell out how this is handled. Not all work like that.
FWIW I managed a body shop many years ago and totaled equaled the
replacement price of a like vehicle.
If the vehicle is not damaged beyond the possibility of a successful
repair you can take the payment and pay the difference to complete the
repairs.
Yes, in some cases it's that easy, in some cases - especially on a vehicle >> with a low cash value - it doesn't make financial sense. In addition, depending
on the age of the vehicle, you may have to deal with a salvage title, which can be
real PITA. (I would not have to in this case, which is a good thing.)
At a certain point one should not insure a vehicle if it's value is low.
And quite often it does not take much more money to to do the
repair.
Except that you don't get the full payment if they deem it totaled and you buy it
back.
Again, ask question about the specific policy. And that would also
depend on the type of coverage.
You get the repair cost estimate minus the salvage value minus your >deductible.
Depending on where those numbers land, your out-of-pocket expenses could be >> pretty high.
Why not take the money and buy a comparable vehicle? You know your
vehicles service records and its history.
Well, in the case of the 2014 incident, I doubt I ever would have found a "comparable
vehicle". It was a 2004 Odyssey with 160K on it. Most 10 YO vehicles with 160K on
them don't look as good as my 10 YO vehicles with 160K on them. I'm just a tad
anal when it comes to interior, exterior and engine compartment cleanliness. >> Unfortunately, even if a 10 YO vehicle with 160K is in really good condition, the cash
value is (was) still so low that you'll never get what you had for that money. I've been
through that twice.
Fast forward to 2022...
Based on this current situation your suggestion may not come into play. Two key factors:
the current estimate of the repair and the price of used cars these days. We'll have to see
what the repair shop says after they start taking the hatch off, etc.
According to the Ins Co, the current cash value of SWMBO's 2011 CR-V EX with 112K miles
is...wait for it...$13.8K, taxes included. I was shocked. $9K would have been my estimate.
(Remember my "cleanliness" comment above? $1100 of the $13.8K is a Condition credit
because it's in better condition that most other vehicles in that space.)
We are in strange times, I am hearing that used vehicles are bringing up
to 50% more than they did 2 years ago.
The accessor's repair estimate is about $6K, nowhere near the 70-75% "totaled" amount.
However, the accessor does not want the shop to order any parts until they've checked the
vehicle for unseen structural damage. It could still end up being totaled. I should know
more next week. Maybe $13.8K will get us a "comparable vehicle", but probably not.
Current local availability for a CR-V EX starts at a 2014 with 106K for $17K plus tax and
title, probably pushing $19K. Not sure about it's overall condition though.
On 3/12/2022 1:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:Totaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Look closely:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or >>>>> the water.
On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:Actually no, the water just sits still.
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
in its small reservoir.
I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or >>>>>>>> more technically gravitational potential energy.
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock
The water doesn't just "sit there".
Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
to exist. So sad. So lonely.
https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg
Tree Hugger! ;~)
I hate trees.
2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg
2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg
Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."
The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway,
this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.
The van was totaled, no questions asked.
The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't
think it'll be that bad.
more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.
I've been though this more than once. Totaled typically means that the cost toThe policy will spell out how this is handled. Not all work like that.
repair is greater than 70-75% of the cash value of the vehicle involved.
FWIW I managed a body shop many years ago and totaled equaled the
replacement price of a like vehicle.
If the vehicle is not damaged beyond the possibility of a successful
repair you can take the payment and pay the difference to complete the
repairs.
Yes, in some cases it's that easy, in some cases - especially on a vehicle with a low cash value - it doesn't make financial sense. In addition, dependingAt a certain point one should not insure a vehicle if it's value is low.
on the age of the vehicle, you may have to deal with a salvage title, which can be
real PITA. (I would not have to in this case, which is a good thing.)
And quite often it does not take much more money to to do the
repair.
Except that you don't get the full payment if they deem it totaled and you buy itAgain, ask question about the specific policy. And that would also
back.
depend on the type of coverage.
You get the repair cost estimate minus the salvage value minus your deductible.
Depending on where those numbers land, your out-of-pocket expenses could be pretty high.
Why not take the money and buy a comparable vehicle? You know your
vehicles service records and its history.
Well, in the case of the 2014 incident, I doubt I ever would have found a "comparable
vehicle". It was a 2004 Odyssey with 160K on it. Most 10 YO vehicles with 160K on
them don't look as good as my 10 YO vehicles with 160K on them. I'm just a tad
anal when it comes to interior, exterior and engine compartment cleanliness.
Unfortunately, even if a 10 YO vehicle with 160K is in really good condition, the cash
value is (was) still so low that you'll never get what you had for that money. I've been
through that twice.
Fast forward to 2022...
Based on this current situation your suggestion may not come into play. Two key factors:
the current estimate of the repair and the price of used cars these days. We'll have to see
what the repair shop says after they start taking the hatch off, etc.
According to the Ins Co, the current cash value of SWMBO's 2011 CR-V EX with 112K milesWe are in strange times, I am hearing that used vehicles are bringing up
is...wait for it...$13.8K, taxes included. I was shocked. $9K would have been my estimate.
(Remember my "cleanliness" comment above? $1100 of the $13.8K is a Condition credit
because it's in better condition that most other vehicles in that space.)
to 50% more than they did 2 years ago.
The accessor's repair estimate is about $6K, nowhere near the 70-75% "totaled" amount.
However, the accessor does not want the shop to order any parts until they've checked the
vehicle for unseen structural damage. It could still end up being totaled. I should know
more next week. Maybe $13.8K will get us a "comparable vehicle", but probably not.
Current local availability for a CR-V EX starts at a 2014 with 106K for $17K plus tax and
title, probably pushing $19K. Not sure about it's overall condition though.
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock
movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears
to be, what i would call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in
the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
On 3/10/2022 12:01, TimeOut52 wrote:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock
movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can
figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears
to be, what i would call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in
the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Unfortunately, I am not aware of any clock newsgroups. Your best bet is
to take it to a clock repairman for a consultation. Your local antique store might have a lead. I work at an antique mall in town, and one of
our regular customers has a clock repair business. I have an old mantle clock that I need to take to him. It might keep time for an hour, or a couple of days, but the pendulum always eventually stops.
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:03:11 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/12/2022 1:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:The policy will spell out how this is handled. Not all work like that.
On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:Totaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Look closely:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or >>>>>>> the water.
On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:Actually no, the water just sits still.
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.Proofread your post before posting.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out how
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
in its small reservoir.
I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or >>>>>>>>>> more technically gravitational potential energy.
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock
The water doesn't just "sit there".
Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
to exist. So sad. So lonely.
https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg
Tree Hugger! ;~)
I hate trees.
2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg
2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg
Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."
The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway,
this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.
The van was totaled, no questions asked.
The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't
think it'll be that bad.
more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.
I've been though this more than once. Totaled typically means that the cost to
repair is greater than 70-75% of the cash value of the vehicle involved.
FWIW I managed a body shop many years ago and totaled equaled the
replacement price of a like vehicle.
If the following site is correct, it appears that most states spell out how that will
works, not the insurance company. There are others sites that say the same thing,
but I didn't compare the values state by state across those sites. Not sure the actual
numbers matter but the fact that certain states set the limit appears to be real.
According to the following site, for states that don't set a percentage, a TLF (Total
Loss Formula) is used (22 states). Fair market value of a vehicle minus its salvage
value.
Of the remaining states that do set a percentage, the 70%-75% figure that I used
earlier is a very close 2nd to the TLF states at 21. There is smattering of 60%, 65%,
80%, etc.
Only 2 states (yours and Colorado) use 100% as a stated percentage.
https://totallossappraisals.com/total-loss-threshold-by-state/
On 3/12/2022 7:33 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 6:03:11 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/12/2022 1:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:FWIW I managed a body shop many years ago and totaled equaled the
On 3/11/2022 5:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:Totaled does not always mean totaled. Typically it means it will cost >>>>> more to repair than to buy a like vehicle.
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 2:02:32 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/11/2022 12:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Look closely:
On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 10:42:11 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 3/11/2022 9:36 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:There is no sound or screams silent or otherwise from the clock and or >>>>>>>> the water.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:Actually no, the water just sits still.
On 3/10/2022 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
TimeOut52 <e121ec9af568a39c...@example.com> writes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock movement.
It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can figure out howProofread your post before posting.
to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears to be, what i would
call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Take the clock to a clock repair shop.
Note that any clock needs a source of energy to run, whether it is the
energy in a falling weight, the energy in a wound spring, or a battery.
OR, water. I bought my son a clock that runs off or water, just sitting
in its small reservoir.
I would probably class that as "energy in a falling weight", or >>>>>>>>>>> more technically gravitational potential energy.
https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/home/decor/clocks/72260-water-clock
The water doesn't just "sit there".
Actually it sits there silently screaming as it slowly gives up all of its energy, knowing
that it is destined to be dumped and forgotten about at some point. It can only hope
that the user waters a plant or something similar so that can continue to have a reason
to exist. So sad. So lonely.
https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/droplet-water-screams-panic-600w-1460981957.jpg
Tree Hugger! ;~)
I hate trees.
2014: https://i.imgur.com/5q5ZCCU.jpg
2022: https://i.imgur.com/cpGo543.jpg
Somebody told me "That's how trees hug back."
The first one is my van at work, the second is SWMBO's CR-V, in our driveway,
this past Sunday during a 60 - 70 MPH windstorm.
The van was totaled, no questions asked.
The CR-V is at the collision shop being evaluated. With the price of used cars
today, the Ins Co's initial assessment is to repair it. If the collision shop finds
extension hidden damage, it may end up as totaled, but the assessor doesn't
think it'll be that bad.
I've been though this more than once. Totaled typically means that the cost to
repair is greater than 70-75% of the cash value of the vehicle involved. >>> The policy will spell out how this is handled. Not all work like that.
replacement price of a like vehicle.
If the following site is correct, it appears that most states spell out how that will
works, not the insurance company. There are others sites that say the same thing,
but I didn't compare the values state by state across those sites. Not sure the actual
numbers matter but the fact that certain states set the limit appears to be real.
According to the following site, for states that don't set a percentage, a TLF (Total
Loss Formula) is used (22 states). Fair market value of a vehicle minus its salvage
value.
Of the remaining states that do set a percentage, the 70%-75% figure that I used
earlier is a very close 2nd to the TLF states at 21. There is smattering of 60%, 65%,
80%, etc.
Only 2 states (yours and Colorado) use 100% as a stated percentage.
https://totallossappraisals.com/total-loss-threshold-by-state/
Something else to consider, at least in Texas, and this concerns
purchasing auto insurance. While regulated, that is all relative after >certain individual factors.
If 2 individuals live next door to each other, buy identical vehicles
for the exact same price, are the exact same sex and age, and finally
work for the same company making the same wage, their quotes can be >different.
Credit score can cost you hundreds.
On 3/12/2022 9:38 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/10/2022 12:01, TimeOut52 wrote:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock
movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can
figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There appears >>> to be, what i would call, a starting wheel at the top of the movement in >>> the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Unfortunately, I am not aware of any clock newsgroups. Your best bet
is to take it to a clock repairman for a consultation. Your local
antique store might have a lead. I work at an antique mall in town,
and one of our regular customers has a clock repair business. I have
an old mantle clock that I need to take to him. It might keep time
for an hour, or a couple of days, but the pendulum always eventually
stops.
Wind up clocks typically need regular maintenance to prevent them from
simply wearing out. We have a clock that we got new 40+ years ago. I
never maintained it other than winding it. Finally about 9 years ago it simply would not run at all.
The repair guy said I could pay him to disassemble and clean but it was likely going to need some parts replaced/repaired. That would be 2x~3x dollars. Or put in a new movement, exactly the same, for 1x dollars.
And then on a 1~3 year maintenance schedule to make it last
indefinitely, pay .4x.
On 3/13/2022 18:37, Leon wrote:
On 3/12/2022 9:38 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/10/2022 12:01, TimeOut52 wrote:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock
movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can >>>> figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There
appears
to be, what i would call, a starting wheel at the top of the
movement in
the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Unfortunately, I am not aware of any clock newsgroups. Your best bet
is to take it to a clock repairman for a consultation. Your local
antique store might have a lead. I work at an antique mall in town,
and one of our regular customers has a clock repair business. I have
an old mantle clock that I need to take to him. It might keep time
for an hour, or a couple of days, but the pendulum always eventually
stops.
Wind up clocks typically need regular maintenance to prevent them from
simply wearing out. We have a clock that we got new 40+ years ago. I
never maintained it other than winding it. Finally about 9 years ago it
simply would not run at all.
The repair guy said I could pay him to disassemble and clean but it was
likely going to need some parts replaced/repaired. That would be 2x~3x
dollars. Or put in a new movement, exactly the same, for 1x dollars.
And then on a 1~3 year maintenance schedule to make it last
indefinitely, pay .4x.
I would have it repaired, personally. The new movement ruins the
nostalgia for an antique clock, in my opinion. Same for people who gut
old radios, etc. I restore them and listen to AM broadcasts.
On 3/14/2022 11:14 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/13/2022 18:37, Leon wrote:
On 3/12/2022 9:38 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/10/2022 12:01, TimeOut52 wrote:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock
movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can >>>>> figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There
appears
to be, what i would call, a starting wheel at the top of the
movement in
the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Unfortunately, I am not aware of any clock newsgroups. Your best bet
is to take it to a clock repairman for a consultation. Your local
antique store might have a lead. I work at an antique mall in town,
and one of our regular customers has a clock repair business. I have
an old mantle clock that I need to take to him. It might keep time
for an hour, or a couple of days, but the pendulum always eventually
stops.
Wind up clocks typically need regular maintenance to prevent them from
simply wearing out. We have a clock that we got new 40+ years ago. I
never maintained it other than winding it. Finally about 9 years ago it
simply would not run at all.
The repair guy said I could pay him to disassemble and clean but it was
likely going to need some parts replaced/repaired. That would be 2x~3x
dollars. Or put in a new movement, exactly the same, for 1x dollars.
And then on a 1~3 year maintenance schedule to make it last
indefinitely, pay .4x.
I would have it repaired, personally. The new movement ruins the
nostalgia for an antique clock, in my opinion. Same for people who gut
old radios, etc. I restore them and listen to AM broadcasts.
Understood. If my clock was a hundred years old I "might" consider
paying the extra money to have it repaired. I my case, the Seth Thomas >movement is generic, so to speak. I was able to find the same
brand/company that provided the original movement so it is not like Seth >Thomas made all of the components of the clock to begin with.
In my case, the clock is only 42 years old. It would be like you
restoring a Magnavox or Zenith radio and finding the original
electronics that were made by Panasonic.
On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 09:43:33 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 3/14/2022 11:14 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/13/2022 18:37, Leon wrote:
On 3/12/2022 9:38 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 3/10/2022 12:01, TimeOut52 wrote:
My father built a mantle clock that came with Mason Sullivan clock >>>>>> movement. It has three modes, silent, Westminster and two others. I can >>>>>> figure out how to get clock started. There is no pendulum. There
appears
to be, what i would call, a starting wheel at the top of the
movement in
the back. Can not get it keep moving? Can you advise?
Unfortunately, I am not aware of any clock newsgroups. Your best bet >>>>> is to take it to a clock repairman for a consultation. Your local
antique store might have a lead. I work at an antique mall in town, >>>>> and one of our regular customers has a clock repair business. I have >>>>> an old mantle clock that I need to take to him. It might keep time
for an hour, or a couple of days, but the pendulum always eventually >>>>> stops.
Wind up clocks typically need regular maintenance to prevent them from >>>> simply wearing out. We have a clock that we got new 40+ years ago. I
never maintained it other than winding it. Finally about 9 years ago it >>>> simply would not run at all.
The repair guy said I could pay him to disassemble and clean but it was >>>> likely going to need some parts replaced/repaired. That would be 2x~3x >>>> dollars. Or put in a new movement, exactly the same, for 1x dollars.
And then on a 1~3 year maintenance schedule to make it last
indefinitely, pay .4x.
I would have it repaired, personally. The new movement ruins the
nostalgia for an antique clock, in my opinion. Same for people who gut
old radios, etc. I restore them and listen to AM broadcasts.
I wouldn't restore it. What would I do with it? If I knew someone
who could use it, they can have it but even though I remember much of
the electronics of that era, I have no wish to own them now. They
sounded like crap then and I can't imagine them being any better now.
The "All American Five" was a damn dangerous contraption. I'm
surprised more people weren't electrocuted (it's the famous >drop-it-in-the-water murder weapon). Nope no nostalgia here either.
The "good old days" in some ways was a better time but electronics
wasn't one of them.
Understood. If my clock was a hundred years old I "might" consider
paying the extra money to have it repaired. I my case, the Seth Thomas >>movement is generic, so to speak. I was able to find the same >>brand/company that provided the original movement so it is not like Seth >>Thomas made all of the components of the clock to begin with.
If your radio were 100 years old, it would be worth some real money
though it might be quite hard to repair it.
I just found your post from 6 years ago. Do you still have a copy of these plans? If you do could you send/sell me a copy please?
Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b ><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:
Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.
Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a
troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold
off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:
Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.
Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold
off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.
Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't
reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can
even pretend to be that stupid.
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >>><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:
Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.
Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold
off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.
Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't
reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can
even pretend to be that stupid.
You over estimate other humans.
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:03:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >>>><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:
Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.
Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>>>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold >>>>off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.
Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't
reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can
even pretend to be that stupid.
You over estimate other humans.
Never. These trolls know exactly what they're doing. Notice that they
never come back? Drive-by trolling.
If you never expect competence, you won't be disappointed.
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 15:37:36 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:32:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:03:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >>>>>><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:
Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.
Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>>>>>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold >>>>>>off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.
Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't >>>>>reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can >>>>>even pretend to be that stupid.
You over estimate other humans.
Never. These trolls know exactly what they're doing. Notice that they >>>never come back? Drive-by trolling.
If you never expect competence, you won't be disappointed.
You never disappoint me
Thank you. Now, go take a course in logic.
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:32:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:03:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >>>>><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:
Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.
Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>>>>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold >>>>>off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.
Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't
reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can >>>>even pretend to be that stupid.
You over estimate other humans.
Never. These trolls know exactly what they're doing. Notice that they >>never come back? Drive-by trolling.
If you never expect competence, you won't be disappointed.
You never disappoint me
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 17:26:42 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 15:37:36 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:32:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:03:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >>>>>>><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:
Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.
Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>>>>>>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold >>>>>>>off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.
Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't >>>>>>reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can >>>>>>even pretend to be that stupid.
You over estimate other humans.
Never. These trolls know exactly what they're doing. Notice that they >>>>never come back? Drive-by trolling.
If you never expect competence, you won't be disappointed.
You never disappoint me
Thank you. Now, go take a course in logic.
Well I never expect you to treat someone just seeking help with a
project from Homeowner Hub site with respect. I can expect you to take
my bait, hook, sinker and line, but I still have my rod and reel.
No go back to yelling at the kids to get off your lawn.
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 16:38:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 17:26:42 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 15:37:36 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 14:32:03 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 10:03:45 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 09:45:49 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 00:10:15 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:01:29 +0000, dave b >>>>>>>><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> wrote:
Why do you think I'm a troll? I thought this was a thread about M&S grandfather clock plans.
Never mind him he thinks anyone posting from the homeowners site is a >>>>>>>>troll. But the thread is 13 years old, good luck but I would not hold >>>>>>>>off searching other avenues for the plans you seek.
Thinks? When was the last time that a post from there didn't >>>>>>>reference another post that was in this, or last, decade? No one can >>>>>>>even pretend to be that stupid.
You over estimate other humans.
Never. These trolls know exactly what they're doing. Notice that they >>>>>never come back? Drive-by trolling.
If you never expect competence, you won't be disappointed.
You never disappoint me
Thank you. Now, go take a course in logic.
Well I never expect you to treat someone just seeking help with a
project from Homeowner Hub site with respect. I can expect you to take
my bait, hook, sinker and line, but I still have my rod and reel.
I've never seen you help.
Well - He's not totally wrong on several points but mostly
Competence - Nope - I'm not - didn't realize this conversation was *13* years old
and ignorance is not the same as stupid. Stupid is forever. Ignorance may be temporary. And I'm still pretty ignorant on how to use this blog especially with only one eye. You should see me with a table saw! And I still have all my fingers.
But I still need the plans for this model 6150 clock case if anyone can help me (actually my other eye works well enough to use the saw but not so much the computer).
I just found your post from 6 years ago. Do you still have a copy of
these plans? If you do could you send/sell me a copy please?
No, didn't receive anything. When I tried emailing you by using the drop down button it was sent to 7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com. That's not a valid address. I tried clicking on my name, I also got @example.com. That is not my email. Don't know how to move past this problem. Not going to post my email address publicly. Suggestions?
I hope this goes to you by email and not to the forum.
No, didn't receive anything. When I tried emailing you by using the drop down button it was sent to 7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com. That's not a valid address. I tried clicking on my name, I also got @example.com. That is not my email. Don't know howto move past this problem. Not going to post my email address publicly. Suggestions?
No, didn't receive anything.
When I tried emailing you by using the drop down button it was sent to
7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com. That's not a valid address.
I tried clicking on my name, I also got @example.com. That is not my email. Don't know how to move past this problem.
Not going to post my email address publicly. Suggestions?
John,
How did you send this
(I received an email apparently from John T that may be an guru of the group that didn't get posted to the board)?
It looks like it came from a real email address
with a reply-to field of rec.woodworking at Google groups dot com
addressed to me via the board (something like ><7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com>" which obviously doesn't work).
Also the reply-to doesn't seem to work very well but I'll give it a try here.
dave (just in case I'm idrathernot2010+homeownershub@gmail.com - let's see if this gets filtered)
BTW - the Reply-To field is bogus too - it bounced - I guess Google Groups is broken!
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.c/leaches/steals
copyrights are copyrights
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
c/leaches/steals
copyrights are copyrights
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
c/leaches/stealsUnless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
copyrights are copyrights
put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.
Dave, I don't know what else I can do without your email address. I
can't get them to you if we can't communicate. Let me know if you figure
out a way to email me.
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
c/leaches/steals
copyrights are copyrights
Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:c/leaches/steals
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
copyrights are copyrights
While usenet content is technically copyrighted, I've always considered
that both the Fair Use and Implied License sections of the copyright act >apply.
"leaching" may not equate to "stealing" under the copyright act since (in most >cases) none of us are harmed when HOH - or any other website that reposts >usenet content - copies/presents said content.
(and by "harmed" I don't mean embarrassed/pissed off by having our nym/name >show up on that POS forum. In that respect we are most certainly harmed.)
If not for fair use/implied license, any of us that ever copied a link or set of
instructions or anything else from a usenet post would be guilty of copyright >infringement.
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:42:51 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
c/leaches/steals
copyrights are copyrights
put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.
By default, your own material *is* copyrighted. You don't void your copyright >by posting it, but you do (have to) allow it to be used by virtue of the Fair Use
and (possibly) the Implied License sections of the copyright act.
From one of many hits from a search of 'is everything I write copyrighted'
<https://www.writersdigest.com/whats-new/6-questions-writers-ask-about-copyright-and-the-law>
"Do I need to register my work with the U.S. Copyright Office to hold a >copyright on the work?
No. Your work is copyrighted the moment it hits a tangible medium—
everything from your scribbles on a piece of paper to your musings on
your Internet blog are protected. "
and then from:
<https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/fair-use-rule-copyright-material-30100.html>
"Under the "fair use" defense, another author may make limited use of the >original author's work without asking permission. Pursuant to 17 U.S.
Code § 107, certain uses of copyrighted material "for purposes such as >criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies
for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of >copyright." "
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:42:51 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
c/leaches/steals
copyrights are copyrights
put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.
By default, your own material *is* copyrighted. You don't void your copyrightImplied license would include all nodes on the Usenet. I wouldn't
by posting it, but you do (have to) allow it to be used by virtue of the Fair Use
and (possibly) the Implied License sections of the copyright act.
have posted it to the Usenet if I didn't expect it to be distributed throughout the network.
Trivial pieces can be used under "fair use" and parody is allowed
under "fair use". Copying an entire work is not.
From one of many hits from a search of 'is everything I write copyrighted'
<https://www.writersdigest.com/whats-new/6-questions-writers-ask-about-copyright-and-the-law>
"Do I need to register my work with the U.S. Copyright Office to hold a >copyright on the work?
No. Your work is copyrighted the moment it hits a tangible medium— >everything from your scribbles on a piece of paper to your musings on
your Internet blog are protected. "
and then from:
<https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/fair-use-rule-copyright-material-30100.html>
"Under the "fair use" defense, another author may make limited use of the >original author's work without asking permission. Pursuant to 17 U.S.
Code § 107, certain uses of copyrighted material "for purposes such as >criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies >for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of >copyright." "
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 9:14:17 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 1:42:51 PM UTC-4, Markem618 wrote:Implied license would include all nodes on the Usenet. I wouldn't
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
c/leaches/steals
copyrights are copyrights
put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.
By default, your own material *is* copyrighted. You don't void your copyright
by posting it, but you do (have to) allow it to be used by virtue of the Fair Use
and (possibly) the Implied License sections of the copyright act.
have posted it to the Usenet if I didn't expect it to be distributed
throughout the network.
Trivial pieces can be used under "fair use" and parody is allowed
under "fair use". Copying an entire work is not.
So sue them if you are so sure that you have a case.
Bitching about it and calling them trolls every time you see the HOH tag
line isn't going to get them to stop stealing your precious words.
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:c/leaches/steals
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
copyrights are copyrights
While usenet content is technically copyrighted, I've always considered >>that both the Fair Use and Implied License sections of the copyright act >>apply.
"leaching" may not equate to "stealing" under the copyright act since (in most
cases) none of us are harmed when HOH - or any other website that reposts >>usenet content - copies/presents said content.
The fact is that it IS copyrighted.
(and by "harmed" I don't mean embarrassed/pissed off by having our nym/name >>show up on that POS forum. In that respect we are most certainly harmed.)
If not for fair use/implied license, any of us that ever copied a link or set of
instructions or anything else from a usenet post would be guilty of copyright >>infringement.
No, there is no "fair use". You can't copy something in it's entirety
and claim "fair use".
I didn't give permission to use my post, or my name.
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
c/leaches/steals
copyrights are copyrights
Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just
put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.
Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to
that work.
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:10:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
c/leaches/steals
copyrights are copyrights
Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just >>>put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you
do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.
Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to
that work.
Good luck on collecting any royalties.
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:13:57 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:10:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes:
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
c/leaches/steals
copyrights are copyrights
Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just >>>>put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you >>>>do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.
Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to >>>that work.
Good luck on collecting any royalties.
Idiot.
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:11:39 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:09:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 >>><teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>> wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:c/leaches/steals
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
copyrights are copyrights
While usenet content is technically copyrighted, I've always considered >>>>that both the Fair Use and Implied License sections of the copyright act >>>>apply.
"leaching" may not equate to "stealing" under the copyright act since (in most
cases) none of us are harmed when HOH - or any other website that reposts >>>>usenet content - copies/presents said content.
The fact is that it IS copyrighted.
(and by "harmed" I don't mean embarrassed/pissed off by having our nym/name >>>>show up on that POS forum. In that respect we are most certainly harmed.) >>>
If not for fair use/implied license, any of us that ever copied a link or set of
instructions or anything else from a usenet post would be guilty of copyright
infringement.
No, there is no "fair use". You can't copy something in it's entirety >>>and claim "fair use".
I didn't give permission to use my post, or my name.
Then do not post on usenet simple, one can fully copy your post of
yours in a reply and have no concern about you claiming copyright >>infringment. If you could find a lawyer to take your case you would
being conned out of your money.
You're dead wrong. My copyright exists because I created something. It
is illegal to copy it without my permission. Just because I'm not
going to hire a lawyer doesn't change the facts one little bit.
Homemoaners club is still guilty of IP theft.
On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:11:05 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:11:39 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:09:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 >>>><teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>> wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:c/leaches/steals
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
copyrights are copyrights
While usenet content is technically copyrighted, I've always considered >>>>>that both the Fair Use and Implied License sections of the copyright act >>>>>apply.
"leaching" may not equate to "stealing" under the copyright act since (in most
cases) none of us are harmed when HOH - or any other website that reposts >>>>>usenet content - copies/presents said content.
The fact is that it IS copyrighted.
(and by "harmed" I don't mean embarrassed/pissed off by having our nym/name
show up on that POS forum. In that respect we are most certainly harmed.) >>>>
If not for fair use/implied license, any of us that ever copied a link or set of
instructions or anything else from a usenet post would be guilty of copyright
infringement.
No, there is no "fair use". You can't copy something in it's entirety >>>>and claim "fair use".
I didn't give permission to use my post, or my name.
Then do not post on usenet simple, one can fully copy your post of
yours in a reply and have no concern about you claiming copyright >>>infringment. If you could find a lawyer to take your case you would
being conned out of your money.
You're dead wrong. My copyright exists because I created something. It
is illegal to copy it without my permission. Just because I'm not
going to hire a lawyer doesn't change the facts one little bit.
Homemoaners club is still guilty of IP theft.
Incorrect, so by your reasoning Google groups is also guilty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:11:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:13:57 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:10:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes: >>>>>>>>Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
c/leaches/steals
copyrights are copyrights
Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just >>>>>put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you >>>>>do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.
Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to >>>>that work.
Good luck on collecting any royalties.
Idiot.
Kettle.
On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:07:16 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:11:05 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:11:39 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:09:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 >>>>><teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>> wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a7...@example.com> writes:c/leaches/steals
Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
copyrights are copyrights
While usenet content is technically copyrighted, I've always considered >>>>>>that both the Fair Use and Implied License sections of the copyright act >>>>>>apply.
"leaching" may not equate to "stealing" under the copyright act since (in most
cases) none of us are harmed when HOH - or any other website that reposts
usenet content - copies/presents said content.
The fact is that it IS copyrighted.
(and by "harmed" I don't mean embarrassed/pissed off by having our nym/name
show up on that POS forum. In that respect we are most certainly harmed.) >>>>>
If not for fair use/implied license, any of us that ever copied a link or set of
instructions or anything else from a usenet post would be guilty of copyright
infringement.
No, there is no "fair use". You can't copy something in it's entirety >>>>>and claim "fair use".
I didn't give permission to use my post, or my name.
Then do not post on usenet simple, one can fully copy your post of >>>>yours in a reply and have no concern about you claiming copyright >>>>infringment. If you could find a lawyer to take your case you would >>>>being conned out of your money.
You're dead wrong. My copyright exists because I created something. It
is illegal to copy it without my permission. Just because I'm not
going to hire a lawyer doesn't change the facts one little bit. >>>Homemoaners club is still guilty of IP theft.
Incorrect, so by your reasoning Google groups is also guilty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
No, moron. They are a feed for the Usenet. They are not stealing
information without even attribution.
Good god, what an idiot.
On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:08:07 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:11:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:13:57 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:10:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>>wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes: >>>>>>>>>Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
c/leaches/steals
copyrights are copyrights
Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just >>>>>>put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you >>>>>>do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.
Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to >>>>>that work.
Good luck on collecting any royalties.
Idiot.
Kettle.
Maybe I should explain it in terms even idiot can understand (probably
not).
Homemoaners *IS* violating copyright, therefore thieves. which is what
I claimed. I never claimed that I was going to sue them.
Got it now, dummy!
On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:08:07 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:11:24 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 23:13:57 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:10:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:42 -0500, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 10:44:37 -0400, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:49:57 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>>wrote:
dave b <7871077cd2e560a74ec0d7664acfba49@example.com> writes: >>>>>>>>>Well it looks like the email poster thing doesn't work and I'm a bit reluctant to post anything like a email address or phone number since I've already been abused as being a troll. Anyone have a better suggestion?
Don't use the useless "home moaners hub" website, which just leaches off Usenet.
c/leaches/steals
copyrights are copyrights
Unless you post your own copyrighted material to usenet, then you just >>>>>>put it in free use, voiding your own copyright. Posting something you >>>>>>do not own copyrights to does not void the copyrights of the owner.
Wrong. Just by the fact of creating something, you have a copyright to >>>>>that work.
Good luck on collecting any royalties.
Idiot.
Kettle.
Maybe I should explain it in terms even idiot can understand (probably
not).
Homemoaners *IS* violating copyright, therefore thieves. which is what
I claimed. I never claimed that I was going to sue them.
Got it now, dummy!
As is HOH, which does attribute that they repackage a few usenet
No, moron. They are a feed for the Usenet. They are not stealing >>information without even attribution.
Good god, what an idiot.
groups for content.
Homemoaners *IS* violating copyright, therefore thieves. which is what
I claimed. I never claimed that I was going to sue them.
Got it now, dummy!
Okay so complain to abuse@newsgroupdirect.com which is HOH usenet
provider, I am sure to abuse department could use the entertainment.
If they are really infringing on copyrights HOH will disappear, but I
would not bet on it.
I will bet on it - I'll give 8 to 3 odds - that
HomeOwnersHub will fail before these two idiots
complete their off-topic pissing contest here
on rec woodworking ..
It's been around stealing from others for twenty years. At least
Homemoaners *IS* violating copyright, therefore thieves. which is what
I claimed. I never claimed that I was going to sue them.
Got it now, dummy!
Okay so complain to abuse@newsgroupdirect.com which is HOH usenet
provider, I am sure to abuse department could use the entertainment.
If they are really infringing on copyrights HOH will disappear, but I
would not bet on it.
I will bet on it - I'll give 8 to 3 odds - that
HomeOwnersHub will fail before these two idiots
complete their off-topic pissing contest here
on rec woodworking ..
John T.
As is HOH, which does attribute that they repackage a few usenet
No, moron. They are a feed for the Usenet. They are not stealing >>>information without even attribution.
Good god, what an idiot.
groups for content.
I'm pretty sure that HomeOwnersHub owns the internet ..
.... at least the usenet part of it.
So they naturally have all the rights to everything.
Period.
John T.
Dave, I don't know what else I can do without your email address. I
can't get them to you if we can't communicate. Let me know if you
figure out a way to email me.
:K8_hl.852$N02.253 @nwrddc02.gnilink.net:
ok - I'm "replying without an account" whatever that means.
But I'm logged in and it's filled in my email address correctly.
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