These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as >designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit under >the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very comfortable. >No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my >daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were built to >the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3?
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as >designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit under >the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very comfortable. >No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my >daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were built to >the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3?
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit under the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very comfortable. No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were built to the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3?
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang.
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as
designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit
under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very
comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my
daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were
built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3?
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang.
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable,
again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like
heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture
stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as >> designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit
under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very
comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my >> daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were
built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3?
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang.
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable,
again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like
heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture
stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
And to follow up on this a bit.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially
the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you
have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher
will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the
knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable.
Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front
cross piece looks much farther than that.
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:57:27 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:And to follow up on this a bit.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as >>>> designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit
under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very
comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my >>>> daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were
built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3?
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang.
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and >>> especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked
uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the >>> seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable,
again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish
furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like
heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture
stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And
finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially
the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you
have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher
will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the
knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable.
Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front
cross piece looks much farther than that.
It must be the picture. The front legs are 25", the seat is 3/4" so your butt is 25 3/4" from the floor. The top of the front stretcher is 9 1/4" from the floor. Using my fraction calculator ;-) I determined that the top of the stretcher would be 16 1/2" below my butt. Less than your minimum
dimension of 18, not farther.
On 3/4/2022 4:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:57:27 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:And to follow up on this a bit.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as
designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit >>>> under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very
comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my >>>> daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were
built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3?
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang.
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and >>> especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked
uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the >>> seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable,
again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish >>> furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like
heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture
stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And
finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially >> the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you
have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher
will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the
knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable.
Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front
cross piece looks much farther than that.
It must be the picture. The front legs are 25", the seat is 3/4" so your butt
is 25 3/4" from the floor. The top of the front stretcher is 9 1/4" from the
floor. Using my fraction calculator ;-) I determined that the top of the stretcher would be 16 1/2" below my butt. Less than your minimum
dimension of 18, not farther.
Ok, Shorter might mean your butt bones carry the weight as you legs
pivot up because your feet on the front bar are higher than a normal chair.
Try sitting in a regular dining room chair and put a 2x under your feet.
And remember your feet have to stay pretty much in one place for a
period of time.
I would strongly advise trying out bar-stools at a furniture store and sitting on one that seems "initially comfortable" and sit there for at
least 15 minutes. And if you like it take measurements.
Remember that being comfortable often means being able to reposition
where your feet are. A bar-stool sorta locks you in to a single seating position.
Now if you are only going for ascetics, the world is your oyster.
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:45:57 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 4:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:57:27 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Ok, Shorter might mean your butt bones carry the weight as you legs
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:And to follow up on this a bit.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as
designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit
under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very
comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my
daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were
built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3?
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang.
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and >> >>> especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked
uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the >> >>> seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable,
again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish >> >>> furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like
heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture
stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And
finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially >> >> the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you
have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher >> >> will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the
knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable.
Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front >> >> cross piece looks much farther than that.
It must be the picture. The front legs are 25", the seat is 3/4" so your butt
is 25 3/4" from the floor. The top of the front stretcher is 9 1/4" from the
floor. Using my fraction calculator ;-) I determined that the top of the >> > stretcher would be 16 1/2" below my butt. Less than your minimum
dimension of 18, not farther.
pivot up because your feet on the front bar are higher than a normal chair.
The stretcher can be repositioned if need be, although the fact that Mom, >myself and my daughter are all short, closer is better than farther, at least >for us.
Try sitting in a regular dining room chair and put a 2x under your feet.
And remember your feet have to stay pretty much in one place for a
period of time.
I would strongly advise trying out bar-stools at a furniture store and
sitting on one that seems "initially comfortable" and sit there for at
least 15 minutes. And if you like it take measurements.
Remember that being comfortable often means being able to reposition
where your feet are. A bar-stool sorta locks you in to a single seating
position.
I basically agree with what you are saying, but you seem to be arguing against >barstools in general. The option for feet on the floor doesn't apply here. The >island in question (my daughter's) and in the picture is higher than a normal >table. Look at any barstool, with or without a back. They all have a footrest at
some fixed position.
How does your repositioning criteria work with those? If a tall chair is required,
a tall chair is required.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bar+stool
Now if you are only going for ascetics, the world is your oyster.
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:45:57 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 4:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:57:27 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Ok, Shorter might mean your butt bones carry the weight as you legs
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:And to follow up on this a bit.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as
designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit >>>>>> under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very
comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my >>>>>> daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were >>>>>> built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3?
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang. >>>>>
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and >>>>> especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked
uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the >>>>> seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable,
again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish >>>>> furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like
heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture
stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And >>>>> finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially >>>> the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you
have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher >>>> will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the >>>> knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable.
Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front >>>> cross piece looks much farther than that.
It must be the picture. The front legs are 25", the seat is 3/4" so your butt
is 25 3/4" from the floor. The top of the front stretcher is 9 1/4" from the
floor. Using my fraction calculator ;-) I determined that the top of the >>> stretcher would be 16 1/2" below my butt. Less than your minimum
dimension of 18, not farther.
pivot up because your feet on the front bar are higher than a normal chair.
The stretcher can be repositioned if need be, although the fact that Mom, myself and my daughter are all short, closer is better than farther, at least for us.
Try sitting in a regular dining room chair and put a 2x under your feet.
And remember your feet have to stay pretty much in one place for a
period of time.
I would strongly advise trying out bar-stools at a furniture store and
sitting on one that seems "initially comfortable" and sit there for at
least 15 minutes. And if you like it take measurements.
Remember that being comfortable often means being able to reposition
where your feet are. A bar-stool sorta locks you in to a single seating
position.
I basically agree with what you are saying, but you seem to be arguing against
barstools in general. The option for feet on the floor doesn't apply here. The
island in question (my daughter's) and in the picture is higher than a normal table. Look at any barstool, with or without a back. They all have a footrest at
some fixed position.
How does your repositioning criteria work with those? If a tall chair is required,
a tall chair is required.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bar+stool
Now if you are only going for ascetics, the world is your oyster.
On 3/4/2022 6:27 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:45:57 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 4:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:57:27 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Ok, Shorter might mean your butt bones carry the weight as you legs
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:And to follow up on this a bit.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as
designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit >>>>>> under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very
comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my
daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were >>>>>> built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3? >>>>>>
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang. >>>>>
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and
especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked >>>>> uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the
seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable, >>>>> again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish >>>>> furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like
heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture >>>>> stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And >>>>> finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially >>>> the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you >>>> have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher >>>> will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the >>>> knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable.
Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front >>>> cross piece looks much farther than that.
It must be the picture. The front legs are 25", the seat is 3/4" so your butt
is 25 3/4" from the floor. The top of the front stretcher is 9 1/4" from the
floor. Using my fraction calculator ;-) I determined that the top of the >>> stretcher would be 16 1/2" below my butt. Less than your minimum
dimension of 18, not farther.
pivot up because your feet on the front bar are higher than a normal chair.
The stretcher can be repositioned if need be, although the fact that Mom, myself and my daughter are all short, closer is better than farther, at least
for us.
Try sitting in a regular dining room chair and put a 2x under your feet. >> And remember your feet have to stay pretty much in one place for a
period of time.
I would strongly advise trying out bar-stools at a furniture store and
sitting on one that seems "initially comfortable" and sit there for at
least 15 minutes. And if you like it take measurements.
Remember that being comfortable often means being able to reposition
where your feet are. A bar-stool sorta locks you in to a single seating
position.
I basically agree with what you are saying, but you seem to be arguing against
barstools in general. The option for feet on the floor doesn't apply here. The
island in question (my daughter's) and in the picture is higher than a normal
table. Look at any barstool, with or without a back. They all have a footrest at
some fixed position.
How does your repositioning criteria work with those? If a tall chair is required,The floor is an important part as to how a chair feels. You can move
a tall chair is required.
your feet around when you get tired of your feet being in one position.
With a bar stool, you have one place for your feet. Even if it is
comfortably placed, you likely want to move your feet around, like when sitting on a chair. With a bars-stool you feet have one place to be.
I guess what I am trying to say here is that building a comfortable
chair is a gamble. IMHO all bar stools are less comfortable than a
chair. Even those fashioned after a comfortable chair.
The foot rest you/we mention above does not necessarily make things comfortable. A bar is not like the floor. Your ankles will be tested
as they will have to keep your foot in a comfortable angle. A floor
gives total support vs a balancing bar.
I'm going from experience of sitting on bar stools, for more than 15~20 minutes.
Again, see if you can actually find a bar stool that you find
comfortable and start there. Building without testing is likely to have
you ending up with a bar-stool that looks good and that is about it.
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 12:16:58 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 6:27 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:45:57 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:The floor is an important part as to how a chair feels. You can move
On 3/4/2022 4:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:57:27 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Ok, Shorter might mean your butt bones carry the weight as you legs
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:And to follow up on this a bit.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as
designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit >>>>>>>> under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very >>>>>>>> comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my
daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were >>>>>>>> built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3? >>>>>>>>
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang. >>>>>>>
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and
especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked >>>>>>> uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the
seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable, >>>>>>> again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish >>>>>>> furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like >>>>>>> heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture >>>>>>> stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And >>>>>>> finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially >>>>>> the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you >>>>>> have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher >>>>>> will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the >>>>>> knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable. >>>>>> Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front >>>>>> cross piece looks much farther than that.
It must be the picture. The front legs are 25", the seat is 3/4" so your butt
is 25 3/4" from the floor. The top of the front stretcher is 9 1/4" from the
floor. Using my fraction calculator ;-) I determined that the top of the >>>>> stretcher would be 16 1/2" below my butt. Less than your minimum
dimension of 18, not farther.
pivot up because your feet on the front bar are higher than a normal chair.
The stretcher can be repositioned if need be, although the fact that Mom, >>> myself and my daughter are all short, closer is better than farther, at least
for us.
Try sitting in a regular dining room chair and put a 2x under your feet. >>>> And remember your feet have to stay pretty much in one place for a
period of time.
I would strongly advise trying out bar-stools at a furniture store and >>>> sitting on one that seems "initially comfortable" and sit there for at >>>> least 15 minutes. And if you like it take measurements.
Remember that being comfortable often means being able to reposition
where your feet are. A bar-stool sorta locks you in to a single seating >>>> position.
I basically agree with what you are saying, but you seem to be arguing against
barstools in general. The option for feet on the floor doesn't apply here. The
island in question (my daughter's) and in the picture is higher than a normal
table. Look at any barstool, with or without a back. They all have a footrest at
some fixed position.
How does your repositioning criteria work with those? If a tall chair is required,
a tall chair is required.
your feet around when you get tired of your feet being in one position.
With a bar stool, you have one place for your feet. Even if it is
comfortably placed, you likely want to move your feet around, like when
sitting on a chair. With a bars-stool you feet have one place to be.
I get that. 100%. Chairs and floors are a set. Bar stools and footrests are a set.
One set is better than the other. No argument.
But I don't see how that enters into the discussion when the only option is a stool. The island can't be lowered so that a chair can be used. It has to be a
stool, therefore it has to be a footrest, not the floor.
Let me try an analogy. Not sure if it will work. Let's say I asked about grilling
fruit. I'm asking because the person I'm grilling for is deathly allergic to all
other foods. It *has* to be fruit. No meat. No vegetables. Just fruit.
The responses I get are all similar to "I don't like grilled fruit. Fruit doesn't
grill anywhere near as good as a steak or asparagus. Here's why..."
While that may be 100% true, discussing meat and vegetables is totally irrelevant to the requirements of the project. All answers have to be
focused on *fruit*. Comparing the grilling of fruit to the grilling of any other
food shouldn't even be part of the conversation.
IMO, in this situation, comparing a chair and floor as it relates to the moving
of feet shouldn't even be part of the conversation because the floor is not an option. Sure, the *position* of the footrest of the stool matters, but not the advantage of being able to move your feet on the floor.
Everything you say about the floor and the moving of feet is 100% true. However, IMO, it's also 100% irrelevant when the only option for seating
is a stool.
I guess what I am trying to say here is that building a comfortable
chair is a gamble. IMHO all bar stools are less comfortable than a
chair. Even those fashioned after a comfortable chair.
No argument.
The foot rest you/we mention above does not necessarily make things
comfortable. A bar is not like the floor. Your ankles will be tested
as they will have to keep your foot in a comfortable angle. A floor
gives total support vs a balancing bar.
True, but irrelevant when the only option is a stool.
I'm going from experience of sitting on bar stools, for more than 15~20
minutes.
Trust me, I have some experience there also. In an earlier life I spent way more time sitting on bar stools than I probably should have. ;-)
Again, see if you can actually find a bar stool that you find
comfortable and start there. Building without testing is likely to have
you ending up with a bar-stool that looks good and that is about it.
Agreed, but I won't make the movement of my feet a consideration,
just the placement of the footrest. ;-)
Wait a minute...didn't I ask about making the top of the stool shorter?
How did we end up discussing the bottom? ;-)
On 3/4/2022 6:27 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:45:57 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 4:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:The stretcher can be repositioned if need be, although the fact that Mom,
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:57:27 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Ok, Shorter might mean your butt bones carry the weight as you legs
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:And to follow up on this a bit.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as
designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit >>>>>>> under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very
comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my
daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were >>>>>>> built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3? >>>>>>>
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang. >>>>>>
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and >>>>>> especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked >>>>>> uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the >>>>>> seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable, >>>>>> again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish >>>>>> furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like
heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture >>>>>> stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And >>>>>> finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially >>>>> the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you >>>>> have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher >>>>> will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the >>>>> knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable.
Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front >>>>> cross piece looks much farther than that.
It must be the picture. The front legs are 25", the seat is 3/4" so your butt
is 25 3/4" from the floor. The top of the front stretcher is 9 1/4" from the
floor. Using my fraction calculator ;-) I determined that the top of the >>>> stretcher would be 16 1/2" below my butt. Less than your minimum
dimension of 18, not farther.
pivot up because your feet on the front bar are higher than a normal chair. >>
myself and my daughter are all short, closer is better than farther, at least
for us.
Try sitting in a regular dining room chair and put a 2x under your feet. >>> And remember your feet have to stay pretty much in one place for a
period of time.
I would strongly advise trying out bar-stools at a furniture store and
sitting on one that seems "initially comfortable" and sit there for at
least 15 minutes. And if you like it take measurements.
Remember that being comfortable often means being able to reposition
where your feet are. A bar-stool sorta locks you in to a single seating
position.
I basically agree with what you are saying, but you seem to be arguing against
barstools in general. The option for feet on the floor doesn't apply here. The
island in question (my daughter's) and in the picture is higher than a normal
table. Look at any barstool, with or without a back. They all have a footrest at
some fixed position.
How does your repositioning criteria work with those? If a tall chair is required,
a tall chair is required.
The floor is an important part as to how a chair feels. You can move
your feet around when you get tired of your feet being in one position.
With a bar stool, you have one place for your feet. Even if it is
comfortably placed, you likely want to move your feet around, like when >sitting on a chair. With a bars-stool you feet have one place to be.
I guess what I am trying to say here is that building a comfortable
chair is a gamble. IMHO all bar stools are less comfortable than a
chair. Even those fashioned after a comfortable chair.
The foot rest you/we mention above does not necessarily make things >comfortable. A bar is not like the floor. Your ankles will be tested
as they will have to keep your foot in a comfortable angle. A floor
gives total support vs a balancing bar.
I'm going from experience of sitting on bar stools, for more than 15~20 >minutes. Again, see if you can actually find a bar stool that you find >comfortable and start there. Building without testing is likely to have
you ending up with a bar-stool that looks good and that is about it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bar+stool
Now if you are only going for ascetics, the world is your oyster.
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 11:16:47 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 3/4/2022 6:27 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:45:57 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 4:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:57:27 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Ok, Shorter might mean your butt bones carry the weight as you legs
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:And to follow up on this a bit.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as
designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit >>>>>>> under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very >>>>>>> comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my
daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were >>>>>>> built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3? >>>>>>>
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang. >>>>>>
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and
especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked >>>>>> uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the
seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable, >>>>>> again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish
furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like >>>>>> heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture >>>>>> stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And >>>>>> finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially
the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you >>>>> have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher >>>>> will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the >>>>> knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable. >>>>> Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front >>>>> cross piece looks much farther than that.
It must be the picture. The front legs are 25", the seat is 3/4" so your butt
is 25 3/4" from the floor. The top of the front stretcher is 9 1/4" from the
floor. Using my fraction calculator ;-) I determined that the top of the >>>> stretcher would be 16 1/2" below my butt. Less than your minimum
dimension of 18, not farther.
pivot up because your feet on the front bar are higher than a normal chair.
The stretcher can be repositioned if need be, although the fact that Mom, >> myself and my daughter are all short, closer is better than farther, at least
for us.
Try sitting in a regular dining room chair and put a 2x under your feet. >>> And remember your feet have to stay pretty much in one place for a
period of time.
I would strongly advise trying out bar-stools at a furniture store and >>> sitting on one that seems "initially comfortable" and sit there for at >>> least 15 minutes. And if you like it take measurements.
Remember that being comfortable often means being able to reposition
where your feet are. A bar-stool sorta locks you in to a single seating >>> position.
I basically agree with what you are saying, but you seem to be arguing against
barstools in general. The option for feet on the floor doesn't apply here. The
island in question (my daughter's) and in the picture is higher than a normal
table. Look at any barstool, with or without a back. They all have a footrest at
some fixed position.
How does your repositioning criteria work with those? If a tall chair is required,
a tall chair is required.
The floor is an important part as to how a chair feels. You can moveNot only one place but one place for everyone, no matter their
your feet around when you get tired of your feet being in one position.
With a bar stool, you have one place for your feet. Even if it is
comfortably placed, you likely want to move your feet around, like when >sitting on a chair. With a bars-stool you feet have one place to be.
dimensions. Add to that, the instep placed on a rung forces the foot
forward and the ankle bent at an awkward angle and for long periods.
I guess what I am trying to say here is that building a comfortable
chair is a gamble. IMHO all bar stools are less comfortable than a
chair. Even those fashioned after a comfortable chair.
The foot rest you/we mention above does not necessarily make things >comfortable. A bar is not like the floor. Your ankles will be tested
as they will have to keep your foot in a comfortable angle. A floor
gives total support vs a balancing bar.
I'm going from experience of sitting on bar stools, for more than 15~20 >minutes. Again, see if you can actually find a bar stool that you find >comfortable and start there. Building without testing is likely to have
you ending up with a bar-stool that looks good and that is about it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bar+stool
Now if you are only going for ascetics, the world is your oyster.
On 3/5/2022 1:37 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 12:16:58 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 6:27 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:45:57 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:The floor is an important part as to how a chair feels. You can move
On 3/4/2022 4:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:57:27 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Ok, Shorter might mean your butt bones carry the weight as you legs
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:And to follow up on this a bit.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as
designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit >>>>>>>> under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very >>>>>>>> comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my
daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were >>>>>>>> built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3? >>>>>>>>
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang. >>>>>>>
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and
especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked >>>>>>> uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the
seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable, >>>>>>> again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish
furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like >>>>>>> heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture >>>>>>> stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And >>>>>>> finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially
the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you >>>>>> have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher
will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the >>>>>> knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable. >>>>>> Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front
cross piece looks much farther than that.
It must be the picture. The front legs are 25", the seat is 3/4" so your butt
is 25 3/4" from the floor. The top of the front stretcher is 9 1/4" from the
floor. Using my fraction calculator ;-) I determined that the top of the
stretcher would be 16 1/2" below my butt. Less than your minimum
dimension of 18, not farther.
pivot up because your feet on the front bar are higher than a normal chair.
The stretcher can be repositioned if need be, although the fact that Mom, >>> myself and my daughter are all short, closer is better than farther, at least
for us.
Try sitting in a regular dining room chair and put a 2x under your feet. >>>> And remember your feet have to stay pretty much in one place for a
period of time.
I would strongly advise trying out bar-stools at a furniture store and >>>> sitting on one that seems "initially comfortable" and sit there for at >>>> least 15 minutes. And if you like it take measurements.
Remember that being comfortable often means being able to reposition >>>> where your feet are. A bar-stool sorta locks you in to a single seating >>>> position.
I basically agree with what you are saying, but you seem to be arguing against
barstools in general. The option for feet on the floor doesn't apply here. The
island in question (my daughter's) and in the picture is higher than a normal
table. Look at any barstool, with or without a back. They all have a footrest at
some fixed position.
How does your repositioning criteria work with those? If a tall chair is required,
a tall chair is required.
your feet around when you get tired of your feet being in one position.
With a bar stool, you have one place for your feet. Even if it is
comfortably placed, you likely want to move your feet around, like when
sitting on a chair. With a bars-stool you feet have one place to be.
I get that. 100%. Chairs and floors are a set. Bar stools and footrests are a set.
One set is better than the other. No argument.
But I don't see how that enters into the discussion when the only option is aYou asked if you changed the backs if they would "still" be comfortable.
stool. The island can't be lowered so that a chair can be used. It has to be a
stool, therefore it has to be a footrest, not the floor.
NO, not likely. Bar-stools tend to not be comfortable to begin with.
Let me try an analogy. Not sure if it will work. Let's say I asked about grilling
fruit. I'm asking because the person I'm grilling for is deathly allergic to all
other foods. It *has* to be fruit. No meat. No vegetables. Just fruit.
The responses I get are all similar to "I don't like grilled fruit. Fruit doesn't
grill anywhere near as good as a steak or asparagus. Here's why..."
While that may be 100% true, discussing meat and vegetables is totally irrelevant to the requirements of the project. All answers have to be focused on *fruit*. Comparing the grilling of fruit to the grilling of any other
food shouldn't even be part of the conversation.
IMO, in this situation, comparing a chair and floor as it relates to the moving
of feet shouldn't even be part of the conversation because the floor is not an option. Sure, the *position* of the footrest of the stool matters, but not
the advantage of being able to move your feet on the floor.
Everything you say about the floor and the moving of feet is 100% true. However, IMO, it's also 100% irrelevant when the only option for seatingMy point is,,,, don't expect the stools to be comfortable unless you do
is a stool.
some research.
I understand that you or you daughter believe you need bar-stools. Do you/she? Most of the time I prefer to stand vs. sitting on a bar stool.
But that's me, and a lot of other people.
I guess what I am trying to say here is that building a comfortable
chair is a gamble. IMHO all bar stools are less comfortable than a
chair. Even those fashioned after a comfortable chair.
No argument.
The foot rest you/we mention above does not necessarily make things
comfortable. A bar is not like the floor. Your ankles will be tested
as they will have to keep your foot in a comfortable angle. A floor
gives total support vs a balancing bar.
True, but irrelevant when the only option is a stool.Or simply standing more comfortably. ;~0
I'm going from experience of sitting on bar stools, for more than 15~20
minutes.
Trust me, I have some experience there also. In an earlier life I spent way more time sitting on bar stools than I probably should have. ;-)We all have. Thank goodness they were not chairs as that could have
been worse.
Again, see if you can actually find a bar stool that you find
comfortable and start there. Building without testing is likely to have
you ending up with a bar-stool that looks good and that is about it.
Agreed, but I won't make the movement of my feet a consideration,
just the placement of the footrest. ;-)
Wait a minute...didn't I ask about making the top of the stool shorter?Yes. But I was giving a warning that building a chair/stool does not
How did we end up discussing the bottom? ;-)
make it comfortable. There is more than one aspect to seating that
makes it tolerable or intolerable. Why worry about seat back comfort if
the rest of the chair is not also.
And I will add to that there will be a lot of work to build a chair or bar-stool. You might as well try to make it comfortable and that
normally involves trying different stools out vs. one you think you can
build easily.
IMHO building something that may not be used very long is a waste.
When you buy premade furniture, that you will sit or lay on, do you just order out of the catalog or do you actually go to the store and try it
out? Bar-stools are no different.
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 3:56:29 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 11:16:47 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 3/4/2022 6:27 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Not only one place but one place for everyone, no matter their
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:45:57 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 4:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:57:27 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Ok, Shorter might mean your butt bones carry the weight as you legs
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:And to follow up on this a bit.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as
designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit >> >>>>>>> under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very
comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my
daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were >> >>>>>>> built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3?
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang. >> >>>>>>
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and
especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked
uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the
seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable,
again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish
furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like
heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture
stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And >> >>>>>> finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially
the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you >> >>>>> have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher
will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the >> >>>>> knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable.
Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front
cross piece looks much farther than that.
It must be the picture. The front legs are 25", the seat is 3/4" so your butt
is 25 3/4" from the floor. The top of the front stretcher is 9 1/4" from the
floor. Using my fraction calculator ;-) I determined that the top of the
stretcher would be 16 1/2" below my butt. Less than your minimum
dimension of 18, not farther.
pivot up because your feet on the front bar are higher than a normal chair.
The stretcher can be repositioned if need be, although the fact that Mom, >> >> myself and my daughter are all short, closer is better than farther, at least
for us.
Try sitting in a regular dining room chair and put a 2x under your feet. >> >>> And remember your feet have to stay pretty much in one place for a
period of time.
I would strongly advise trying out bar-stools at a furniture store and >> >>> sitting on one that seems "initially comfortable" and sit there for at >> >>> least 15 minutes. And if you like it take measurements.
Remember that being comfortable often means being able to reposition
where your feet are. A bar-stool sorta locks you in to a single seating >> >>> position.
I basically agree with what you are saying, but you seem to be arguing against
barstools in general. The option for feet on the floor doesn't apply here. The
island in question (my daughter's) and in the picture is higher than a normal
table. Look at any barstool, with or without a back. They all have a footrest at
some fixed position.
How does your repositioning criteria work with those? If a tall chair is required,
a tall chair is required.
The floor is an important part as to how a chair feels. You can move
your feet around when you get tired of your feet being in one position.
With a bar stool, you have one place for your feet. Even if it is
comfortably placed, you likely want to move your feet around, like when
sitting on a chair. With a bars-stool you feet have one place to be.
dimensions. Add to that, the instep placed on a rung forces the foot
forward and the ankle bent at an awkward angle and for long periods.
Good grief. You'd think stools would have been outlawed by now based
on how bad they are for us.
How is it possible that mankind is still able to walk?
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 13:19:58 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 3:56:29 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 11:16:47 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 3/4/2022 6:27 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Not only one place but one place for everyone, no matter their
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:45:57 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 4:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:57:27 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Ok, Shorter might mean your butt bones carry the weight as you legs
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:And to follow up on this a bit.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as
designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit
under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very
comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my
daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were >> >>>>>>> built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3? >> >>>>>>>
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang.
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and
especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked >> >>>>>> uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the
seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable, >> >>>>>> again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish
furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like >> >>>>>> heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture >> >>>>>> stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And
finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially
the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you >> >>>>> have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher
will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the
knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable. >> >>>>> Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front
cross piece looks much farther than that.
It must be the picture. The front legs are 25", the seat is 3/4" so your butt
is 25 3/4" from the floor. The top of the front stretcher is 9 1/4" from the
floor. Using my fraction calculator ;-) I determined that the top of the
stretcher would be 16 1/2" below my butt. Less than your minimum
dimension of 18, not farther.
pivot up because your feet on the front bar are higher than a normal chair.
The stretcher can be repositioned if need be, although the fact that Mom,
myself and my daughter are all short, closer is better than farther, at least
for us.
Try sitting in a regular dining room chair and put a 2x under your feet.
And remember your feet have to stay pretty much in one place for a
period of time.
I would strongly advise trying out bar-stools at a furniture store and >> >>> sitting on one that seems "initially comfortable" and sit there for at >> >>> least 15 minutes. And if you like it take measurements.
Remember that being comfortable often means being able to reposition >> >>> where your feet are. A bar-stool sorta locks you in to a single seating
position.
I basically agree with what you are saying, but you seem to be arguing against
barstools in general. The option for feet on the floor doesn't apply here. The
island in question (my daughter's) and in the picture is higher than a normal
table. Look at any barstool, with or without a back. They all have a footrest at
some fixed position.
How does your repositioning criteria work with those? If a tall chair is required,
a tall chair is required.
The floor is an important part as to how a chair feels. You can move
your feet around when you get tired of your feet being in one position. >> > With a bar stool, you have one place for your feet. Even if it is
comfortably placed, you likely want to move your feet around, like when >> >sitting on a chair. With a bars-stool you feet have one place to be.
dimensions. Add to that, the instep placed on a rung forces the foot
forward and the ankle bent at an awkward angle and for long periods.
Good grief. You'd think stools would have been outlawed by now basedYou asked for an opinion about whether bar stools would be
on how bad they are for us.
comfortable. IMO, no. I've never found any bar stools to be
comfortable, at least for any time. The same for high-top tables in bars/restaurants.
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 4:58:23 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 13:19:58 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 3:56:29 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>> On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 11:16:47 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>You asked for an opinion about whether bar stools would be
On 3/4/2022 6:27 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:Not only one place but one place for everyone, no matter their
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 6:45:57 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 4:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:57:27 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:Ok, Shorter might mean your butt bones carry the weight as you legs >>>>>>> pivot up because your feet on the front bar are higher than a normal chair.
On 3/4/2022 3:46 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/4/2022 11:40 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:And to follow up on this a bit.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as
designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
My daughter has a kitchen island with stools without backs. They fit
under
the overhang, which makes using the island while standing very >>>>>>>>>>> comfortable.
No obstructions.
Let's assume that the *seat* height in the image above is the same as my
daughter needs. Would the stools still be comfortable if they were >>>>>>>>>>> built to
the same dimensions except using only 2 back slats instead of 3? >>>>>>>>>>>
Same curve, same angle, but short enough to fit under the overhang. >>>>>>>>>>
My advice is to NOT build these if you expect them to be comfortable and
especially as bar stools.
Remember Swingman? He build several dining room chairs that looked >>>>>>>>>> uncomfortable however they were quite comfortable with no padding in the
seat.
He modified the same design for 3~4 barstools to match.
I hope he is not reading this. They not only looked uncomfortable, >>>>>>>>>> again no padding, but were absolutely uncomfortable.
Seating is something that I do no do. Comfort is touchy.
My wife and I were on a trip several years ago and walked into an Amish
furniture store. We sat at some dining room chairs that felt like >>>>>>>>>> heaven, no padding on the seat.
We looked for this style chair in the Houston area Amish furniture >>>>>>>>>> stores and saw many look alikes but they at best were tolerable. And >>>>>>>>>> finally we found the chair, we bought 6, 11 years ago.
Bar stool chairs need to be the same size as a regular chair, especially
the seat portion.
If they do not support most of your leg to where your knees bend you >>>>>>>>> have no floor to help support the weight. And the front cross/stretcher
will need to be where your feet will comfortably rest or else from the
knees down they will be swinging around.
The stools you have a link to look nice but nice and uncomfortable. >>>>>>>>> Actually a normal chair has your butt 18"~20" from the floor. The front
cross piece looks much farther than that.
It must be the picture. The front legs are 25", the seat is 3/4" so your butt
is 25 3/4" from the floor. The top of the front stretcher is 9 1/4" from the
floor. Using my fraction calculator ;-) I determined that the top of the
stretcher would be 16 1/2" below my butt. Less than your minimum >>>>>>>> dimension of 18, not farther.
The stretcher can be repositioned if need be, although the fact that Mom,
myself and my daughter are all short, closer is better than farther, at least
for us.
Try sitting in a regular dining room chair and put a 2x under your feet.
And remember your feet have to stay pretty much in one place for a >>>>>>> period of time.
I would strongly advise trying out bar-stools at a furniture store and >>>>>>> sitting on one that seems "initially comfortable" and sit there for at >>>>>>> least 15 minutes. And if you like it take measurements.
Remember that being comfortable often means being able to reposition >>>>>>> where your feet are. A bar-stool sorta locks you in to a single seating >>>>>>> position.
I basically agree with what you are saying, but you seem to be arguing against
barstools in general. The option for feet on the floor doesn't apply here. The
island in question (my daughter's) and in the picture is higher than a normal
table. Look at any barstool, with or without a back. They all have a footrest at
some fixed position.
How does your repositioning criteria work with those? If a tall chair is required,
a tall chair is required.
The floor is an important part as to how a chair feels. You can move >>>>> your feet around when you get tired of your feet being in one position. >>>>> With a bar stool, you have one place for your feet. Even if it is
comfortably placed, you likely want to move your feet around, like when >>>>> sitting on a chair. With a bars-stool you feet have one place to be.
dimensions. Add to that, the instep placed on a rung forces the foot
forward and the ankle bent at an awkward angle and for long periods.
Good grief. You'd think stools would have been outlawed by now based
on how bad they are for us.
comfortable. IMO, no. I've never found any bar stools to be
comfortable, at least for any time. The same for high-top tables in
bars/restaurants.
Actually I only asked about lowering the back by one rung but the thread quickly turned into a bashing of bar stools in general.
I get it. Some people don't like them. Would I want to sit in them at every meal? No. Is it nice to have a set around an island for quick lunches and chat sessions? IMO, yes.
Actually I only asked about lowering the back by one rung but the thread >quickly turned into a bashing of bar stools in general.
I get it. Some people don't like them. Would I want to sit in them at every >meal? No. Is it nice to have a set around an island for quick lunches and >chat sessions? IMO, yes.
These stools look like a fun project, except for one issue. The backs, as designed, are higher than the counter.
https://i.imgur.com/VRH6QWv.jpg
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