• Perfect hole plugs using Shaper Origin

    From Bob Davis@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 21 10:07:46 2022
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Bob Davis on Mon Feb 21 13:17:22 2022
    On 2/21/2022 12:07 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob


    That is a good idea. Pictures? ;~)

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  • From Bob Davis@21:1/5 to Leon on Mon Feb 21 13:20:45 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:17:32 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
    On 2/21/2022 12:07 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    That is a good idea. Pictures? ;~)

    I'll make some

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  • From Bob Davis@21:1/5 to Leon on Mon Feb 21 16:10:49 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:17:32 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
    On 2/21/2022 12:07 PM, Bob Davis wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    That is a good idea. Pictures? ;~)

    I've updated the photos to show views of creation and installed plug.

    https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH

    Bob

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to wrober...@gmail.com on Mon Feb 21 19:33:51 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob

    I hate to blow my own horn (toot toot) but didn't I put that suggestion in
    your head about a month ago?

    I am, of course, glad that you worked it out in any case. Nice job.

    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:27:35 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

    "I assume that the shaper can make a tapered cut. I see a small gap around
    the plug. Wouldn't a tapered plug that extends above the surface fill that
    gap once it's planed/sanded down?"

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  • From Bob Davis@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 21 20:29:50 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    I hate to blow my own horn (toot toot) but didn't I put that suggestion in your head about a month ago?

    I am, of course, glad that you worked it out in any case. Nice job.

    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:27:35 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

    "I assume that the shaper can make a tapered cut. I see a small gap around the plug. Wouldn't a tapered plug that extends above the surface fill that gap once it's planed/sanded down?"

    You get full credit for the inspiration. I had not forgot. I started looking for an answer as soon as you suggested it. I just did not think it was possible. I'm sorry I did not lead with giving full credit to you. The key to going forward was
    discovering a bit that cost $17 instead of $60. This bit is SPEtool brand. I have never used them before. It is very impressive - cuts smooth and does not create shaving strings. I will try some of their "normal" bits to see how they work.

    Bob

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to wrober...@gmail.com on Tue Feb 22 06:23:40 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:29:56 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    I hate to blow my own horn (toot toot) but didn't I put that suggestion in your head about a month ago?

    I am, of course, glad that you worked it out in any case. Nice job.

    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:27:35 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

    "I assume that the shaper can make a tapered cut. I see a small gap around the plug. Wouldn't a tapered plug that extends above the surface fill that gap once it's planed/sanded down?"
    You get full credit for the inspiration. I had not forgot. I started looking for an answer as soon as you suggested it. I just did not think it was possible. I'm sorry I did not lead with giving full credit to you. The key to going forward was
    discovering a bit that cost $17 instead of $60. This bit is SPEtool brand. I have never used them before. It is very impressive - cuts smooth and does not create shaving strings. I will try some of their "normal" bits to see how they work.

    Bob

    No problem. Sometimes I get things right and on those rare occasions
    it feels good. ;-)

    Thanks for posting the solution. I'm sure it will help others.

    I wonder if Shaper Tools has a user submission program where they publish
    tips and tricks and award "prizes" like some magazines do. Maybe they'll send you a free accessory.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 22 16:47:56 2022
    On 2/22/2022 8:23 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:29:56 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH
    https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title >>>>
    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    I hate to blow my own horn (toot toot) but didn't I put that suggestion in >>> your head about a month ago?

    I am, of course, glad that you worked it out in any case. Nice job.

    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:27:35 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

    "I assume that the shaper can make a tapered cut. I see a small gap around >>> the plug. Wouldn't a tapered plug that extends above the surface fill that >>> gap once it's planed/sanded down?"
    You get full credit for the inspiration. I had not forgot. I started looking for an answer as soon as you suggested it. I just did not think it was possible. I'm sorry I did not lead with giving full credit to you. The key to going forward was
    discovering a bit that cost $17 instead of $60. This bit is SPEtool brand. I have never used them before. It is very impressive - cuts smooth and does not create shaving strings. I will try some of their "normal" bits to see how they work.

    Bob

    No problem. Sometimes I get things right and on those rare occasions
    it feels good. ;-)

    Well to put this in perspective, I believe I told BOB to use the Shaper.
    I knew he had one. LOL

    FWIW the "Shaper Origin" cannot make a tapered cut like some CNC
    machines. The tapered bit makes the tapered cut. Multiple 3-4 axis
    CNC's can tilt the spindle to create angled/tapered cuts with straight
    bits. The Origin is 3 axis. The Origin spindle moves straight up and
    down on the z axis and anywhere between the X,Y axis.

    But that said, I had not thought of using a bit like Bob found.

    And that said, the Origin cuts so accurately to begin with, a taper is
    not necessary. A straight cut will fill the hole perfectly with
    incremental adjustments, if necessary, to a resolution of + or - .001"

    I have done a lot of straight cut inlay with the Origin.

    My experience is that tapered plugs cuts tend to be tight around the
    surface of the hole that it is filling. That can crush the wood fibers
    and show up as a ring around the plug if you force it in too tightly.

    But anyway.....




    Thanks for posting the solution. I'm sure it will help others.

    I wonder if Shaper Tools has a user submission program where they publish tips and tricks and award "prizes" like some magazines do. Maybe they'll send you a free accessory.


    Actually they have a web site call Shaper Hub. On that web site there
    are hundreds if not thousands of user projects that are shared with
    owners. They normally include the SVG file for the Origin and written instructions.

    Shaper offers a lot of support with the Origin. They even now have a
    website for simple drawing and saving of SVG files so that you do not
    have to learn a CAD or drawing program like Sketchup.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 22 22:18:15 2022
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:47:56 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 2/22/2022 8:23 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:29:56 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH >>>>> https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    I hate to blow my own horn (toot toot) but didn't I put that suggestion in >>>> your head about a month ago?

    I am, of course, glad that you worked it out in any case. Nice job.

    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:27:35 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

    "I assume that the shaper can make a tapered cut. I see a small gap around >>>> the plug. Wouldn't a tapered plug that extends above the surface fill that >>>> gap once it's planed/sanded down?"
    You get full credit for the inspiration. I had not forgot. I started looking for an answer as soon as you suggested it. I just did not think it was possible. I'm sorry I did not lead with giving full credit to you. The key to going forward was
    discovering a bit that cost $17 instead of $60. This bit is SPEtool brand. I have never used them before. It is very impressive - cuts smooth and does not create shaving strings. I will try some of their "normal" bits to see how they work.

    Bob

    No problem. Sometimes I get things right and on those rare occasions
    it feels good. ;-)

    Well to put this in perspective, I believe I told BOB to use the Shaper.
    I knew he had one. LOL

    FWIW the "Shaper Origin" cannot make a tapered cut like some CNC
    machines. The tapered bit makes the tapered cut. Multiple 3-4 axis
    CNC's can tilt the spindle to create angled/tapered cuts with straight
    bits. The Origin is 3 axis. The Origin spindle moves straight up and
    down on the z axis and anywhere between the X,Y axis.

    The Origin isn't a true three-axis CNC. It can't change depth during
    a cut, can it?

    But that said, I had not thought of using a bit like Bob found.

    I thought of it. I'd been looking at those bits for other reasons. I
    thought it might be a little difficult to get the size right
    (combination of the angle of the bit and the exact depth of the resaw.

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  • From Bob Davis@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Wed Feb 23 07:59:35 2022
    On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 9:18:19 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:47:56 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:
    On 2/22/2022 8:23 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:29:56 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH >>>>> https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    I hate to blow my own horn (toot toot) but didn't I put that suggestion in
    your head about a month ago?

    I am, of course, glad that you worked it out in any case. Nice job. >>>>
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:27:35 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>
    "I assume that the shaper can make a tapered cut. I see a small gap around
    the plug. Wouldn't a tapered plug that extends above the surface fill that
    gap once it's planed/sanded down?"
    You get full credit for the inspiration. I had not forgot. I started looking for an answer as soon as you suggested it. I just did not think it was possible. I'm sorry I did not lead with giving full credit to you. The key to going forward was
    discovering a bit that cost $17 instead of $60. This bit is SPEtool brand. I have never used them before. It is very impressive - cuts smooth and does not create shaving strings. I will try some of their "normal" bits to see how they work.

    Bob

    No problem. Sometimes I get things right and on those rare occasions
    it feels good. ;-)

    Well to put this in perspective, I believe I told BOB to use the Shaper.
    I knew he had one. LOL

    FWIW the "Shaper Origin" cannot make a tapered cut like some CNC
    machines. The tapered bit makes the tapered cut. Multiple 3-4 axis
    CNC's can tilt the spindle to create angled/tapered cuts with straight >bits. The Origin is 3 axis. The Origin spindle moves straight up and
    down on the z axis and anywhere between the X,Y axis.
    The Origin isn't a true three-axis CNC. It can't change depth during
    a cut, can it?

    But that said, I had not thought of using a bit like Bob found.
    I thought of it. I'd been looking at those bits for other reasons. I
    thought it might be a little difficult to get the size right
    (combination of the angle of the bit and the exact depth of the resaw.

    I modeled different bits in Sketchup before buying anything. Then I did some practice cuts to fine tune things.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to wrobertdavis@gmail.com on Wed Feb 23 14:44:53 2022
    On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 07:59:35 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
    <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 9:18:19 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:47:56 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:
    On 2/22/2022 8:23 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:29:56 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH >> >>>>> https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    I hate to blow my own horn (toot toot) but didn't I put that suggestion in
    your head about a month ago?

    I am, of course, glad that you worked it out in any case. Nice job.

    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:27:35 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

    "I assume that the shaper can make a tapered cut. I see a small gap around
    the plug. Wouldn't a tapered plug that extends above the surface fill that
    gap once it's planed/sanded down?"
    You get full credit for the inspiration. I had not forgot. I started looking for an answer as soon as you suggested it. I just did not think it was possible. I'm sorry I did not lead with giving full credit to you. The key to going forward was
    discovering a bit that cost $17 instead of $60. This bit is SPEtool brand. I have never used them before. It is very impressive - cuts smooth and does not create shaving strings. I will try some of their "normal" bits to see how they work.

    Bob

    No problem. Sometimes I get things right and on those rare occasions
    it feels good. ;-)

    Well to put this in perspective, I believe I told BOB to use the Shaper.
    I knew he had one. LOL

    FWIW the "Shaper Origin" cannot make a tapered cut like some CNC
    machines. The tapered bit makes the tapered cut. Multiple 3-4 axis
    CNC's can tilt the spindle to create angled/tapered cuts with straight
    bits. The Origin is 3 axis. The Origin spindle moves straight up and
    down on the z axis and anywhere between the X,Y axis.
    The Origin isn't a true three-axis CNC. It can't change depth during
    a cut, can it?

    But that said, I had not thought of using a bit like Bob found.
    I thought of it. I'd been looking at those bits for other reasons. I
    thought it might be a little difficult to get the size right
    (combination of the angle of the bit and the exact depth of the resaw.

    I modeled different bits in Sketchup before buying anything. Then I did some practice cuts to fine tune things.

    The cut-twice method works in this case. Since the Origin is so
    accurate, many tries could be done in one pass. The depth of the resaw
    could be held constant.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Wed Feb 23 13:59:04 2022
    On 2/22/2022 9:18 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:47:56 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 2/22/2022 8:23 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:29:56 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH >>>>>> https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    I hate to blow my own horn (toot toot) but didn't I put that suggestion in
    your head about a month ago?

    I am, of course, glad that you worked it out in any case. Nice job.

    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:27:35 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

    "I assume that the shaper can make a tapered cut. I see a small gap around
    the plug. Wouldn't a tapered plug that extends above the surface fill that
    gap once it's planed/sanded down?"
    You get full credit for the inspiration. I had not forgot. I started looking for an answer as soon as you suggested it. I just did not think it was possible. I'm sorry I did not lead with giving full credit to you. The key to going forward was
    discovering a bit that cost $17 instead of $60. This bit is SPEtool brand. I have never used them before. It is very impressive - cuts smooth and does not create shaving strings. I will try some of their "normal" bits to see how they work.

    Bob

    No problem. Sometimes I get things right and on those rare occasions
    it feels good. ;-)

    Well to put this in perspective, I believe I told BOB to use the Shaper.
    I knew he had one. LOL

    FWIW the "Shaper Origin" cannot make a tapered cut like some CNC
    machines. The tapered bit makes the tapered cut. Multiple 3-4 axis
    CNC's can tilt the spindle to create angled/tapered cuts with straight
    bits. The Origin is 3 axis. The Origin spindle moves straight up and
    down on the z axis and anywhere between the X,Y axis.

    The Origin isn't a true three-axis CNC. It can't change depth during
    a cut, can it?

    Well, yes it can. But with limitations. There is an operation known as
    a helix cut. Basically a cut that does not require for the unit to move
    for the complete cut. Think larger holes than the diameter of the bit
    but within the range of the X,Y movement with out moving the unit.

    I do not know if you have used yours much yet but but here is the scenario.

    Say you have a 1/4" straight cut bit in the Origin and you want cut a
    hole that is larger than 1/4" in diameter but smaller than maybe 1/2~5/8".

    You place the Origin over the desired spot, centered, and press the
    green button "Quickly 2 times", think double click with a mouse.
    Regardless of the operation the double click locks the Origin into
    automatic mode and you do not have to hold the green button to be in
    auto mode. Auto mode automatically follows the path to be cut within
    the target circle on the screen. If in normal mode, press the green
    button one time, and the Origin cuts inside the target circle at about
    the pace you move it. Auto mode will cause the Origin to go around
    corners automatically if inside the circle target.

    Back to the hole mentioned above.

    Place the origin over the desired spot, centered, and press the green
    button 2 times quickly and the Origin will begin lowering and circling
    at the same time until it gets to the desire depth. You only hold the
    handles and let it do its thing. Press the yellow/orange button to retract.

    I have not tried this yet but it may also work similarly with a small
    square and or rectangle as long as the Origin does not have to be moved
    to complete the cut.

    How is this different?

    Normally what you are cutting is beyond the circle target on the screen.
    The Origin will cut to desired depth and then move on it's path. With
    helix it goes in a circle as it lowers.

    I find myself using the double click lock into auto mode all of the time regardless of what I am working on.

    The Origin will cut in auto mode if you press the green button to begin
    the cut and then hold the green button down, that becomes tiresome.
    Double click to lock auto-mode instead.

    It takes a little getting used to, a little like chewing gum and walking
    at the same time. ;~)

    If you have not used the Origin much yet learn the double click
    function. This requires a bit less detailed guidance by you, especially
    when going in circles/curves and or going around corners. In this auto
    mode the Origin will follow the path to be cut "within the circle" with
    out you having to compensate so much to coax it along.

    PLAY with it. This thing is way cool.

    As far as the Origin being able to change the depth of cut along a
    larger path multiple times, I think it will only be limited by the
    development of the updated operating systems.






    But that said, I had not thought of using a bit like Bob found.

    I thought of it. I'd been looking at those bits for other reasons. I thought it might be a little difficult to get the size right
    (combination of the angle of the bit and the exact depth of the resaw.

    Yeah it would probably take a few tries to sneak up on the proper fit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 23 21:50:30 2022
    On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 13:59:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 2/22/2022 9:18 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:47:56 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 2/22/2022 8:23 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:29:56 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH >>>>>>> https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    I hate to blow my own horn (toot toot) but didn't I put that suggestion in
    your head about a month ago?

    I am, of course, glad that you worked it out in any case. Nice job. >>>>>>
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:27:35 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>>>
    "I assume that the shaper can make a tapered cut. I see a small gap around
    the plug. Wouldn't a tapered plug that extends above the surface fill that
    gap once it's planed/sanded down?"
    You get full credit for the inspiration. I had not forgot. I started looking for an answer as soon as you suggested it. I just did not think it was possible. I'm sorry I did not lead with giving full credit to you. The key to going forward was
    discovering a bit that cost $17 instead of $60. This bit is SPEtool brand. I have never used them before. It is very impressive - cuts smooth and does not create shaving strings. I will try some of their "normal" bits to see how they work.

    Bob

    No problem. Sometimes I get things right and on those rare occasions
    it feels good. ;-)

    Well to put this in perspective, I believe I told BOB to use the Shaper. >>> I knew he had one. LOL

    FWIW the "Shaper Origin" cannot make a tapered cut like some CNC
    machines. The tapered bit makes the tapered cut. Multiple 3-4 axis
    CNC's can tilt the spindle to create angled/tapered cuts with straight
    bits. The Origin is 3 axis. The Origin spindle moves straight up and
    down on the z axis and anywhere between the X,Y axis.

    The Origin isn't a true three-axis CNC. It can't change depth during
    a cut, can it?

    Well, yes it can. But with limitations. There is an operation known as
    a helix cut. Basically a cut that does not require for the unit to move
    for the complete cut. Think larger holes than the diameter of the bit
    but within the range of the X,Y movement with out moving the unit.

    I do not know if you have used yours much yet but but here is the scenario.

    No, still doing some other things in the shop but getting there.
    Everything is taking *much* longer than I thought. I'm only able to
    work a couple of hours a day.

    Say you have a 1/4" straight cut bit in the Origin and you want cut a
    hole that is larger than 1/4" in diameter but smaller than maybe 1/2~5/8".

    You place the Origin over the desired spot, centered, and press the
    green button "Quickly 2 times", think double click with a mouse.
    Regardless of the operation the double click locks the Origin into
    automatic mode and you do not have to hold the green button to be in
    auto mode. Auto mode automatically follows the path to be cut within
    the target circle on the screen. If in normal mode, press the green
    button one time, and the Origin cuts inside the target circle at about
    the pace you move it. Auto mode will cause the Origin to go around
    corners automatically if inside the circle target.

    I did see "auto mode" in the online tutorials. Of course I was
    referring to 3D carvings.

    Why can't the Origin do automatic cutting as large as the X-Y range of
    the controls. I gotta play with that but it's a long way off.

    Back to the hole mentioned above.

    Place the origin over the desired spot, centered, and press the green
    button 2 times quickly and the Origin will begin lowering and circling
    at the same time until it gets to the desire depth. You only hold the >handles and let it do its thing. Press the yellow/orange button to retract.

    I have not tried this yet but it may also work similarly with a small
    square and or rectangle as long as the Origin does not have to be moved
    to complete the cut.

    How is this different?

    Normally what you are cutting is beyond the circle target on the screen.
    The Origin will cut to desired depth and then move on it's path. With
    helix it goes in a circle as it lowers.

    I find myself using the double click lock into auto mode all of the time >regardless of what I am working on.

    The Origin will cut in auto mode if you press the green button to begin
    the cut and then hold the green button down, that becomes tiresome.
    Double click to lock auto-mode instead.

    AIUI, auto-mode will also regulate the cut rate, too.

    It takes a little getting used to, a little like chewing gum and walking
    at the same time. ;~)

    If you have not used the Origin much yet learn the double click
    function. This requires a bit less detailed guidance by you, especially
    when going in circles/curves and or going around corners. In this auto
    mode the Origin will follow the path to be cut "within the circle" with
    out you having to compensate so much to coax it along.

    PLAY with it. This thing is way cool.

    As far as the Origin being able to change the depth of cut along a
    larger path multiple times, I think it will only be limited by the >development of the updated operating systems.






    But that said, I had not thought of using a bit like Bob found.

    I thought of it. I'd been looking at those bits for other reasons. I
    thought it might be a little difficult to get the size right
    (combination of the angle of the bit and the exact depth of the resaw.

    Yeah it would probably take a few tries to sneak up on the proper fit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Thu Feb 24 11:49:51 2022
    On 2/23/2022 8:50 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 13:59:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 2/22/2022 9:18 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:47:56 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 2/22/2022 8:23 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:29:56 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH >>>>>>>> https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    I hate to blow my own horn (toot toot) but didn't I put that suggestion in
    your head about a month ago?

    I am, of course, glad that you worked it out in any case. Nice job. >>>>>>>
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:27:35 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>>>>
    "I assume that the shaper can make a tapered cut. I see a small gap around
    the plug. Wouldn't a tapered plug that extends above the surface fill that
    gap once it's planed/sanded down?"
    You get full credit for the inspiration. I had not forgot. I started looking for an answer as soon as you suggested it. I just did not think it was possible. I'm sorry I did not lead with giving full credit to you. The key to going forward was
    discovering a bit that cost $17 instead of $60. This bit is SPEtool brand. I have never used them before. It is very impressive - cuts smooth and does not create shaving strings. I will try some of their "normal" bits to see how they work.

    Bob

    No problem. Sometimes I get things right and on those rare occasions >>>>> it feels good. ;-)

    Well to put this in perspective, I believe I told BOB to use the Shaper. >>>> I knew he had one. LOL

    FWIW the "Shaper Origin" cannot make a tapered cut like some CNC
    machines. The tapered bit makes the tapered cut. Multiple 3-4 axis
    CNC's can tilt the spindle to create angled/tapered cuts with straight >>>> bits. The Origin is 3 axis. The Origin spindle moves straight up and >>>> down on the z axis and anywhere between the X,Y axis.

    The Origin isn't a true three-axis CNC. It can't change depth during
    a cut, can it?

    Well, yes it can. But with limitations. There is an operation known as
    a helix cut. Basically a cut that does not require for the unit to move
    for the complete cut. Think larger holes than the diameter of the bit
    but within the range of the X,Y movement with out moving the unit.

    I do not know if you have used yours much yet but but here is the scenario. >>
    No, still doing some other things in the shop but getting there.
    Everything is taking *much* longer than I thought. I'm only able to
    work a couple of hours a day.

    Say you have a 1/4" straight cut bit in the Origin and you want cut a
    hole that is larger than 1/4" in diameter but smaller than maybe 1/2~5/8". >>
    You place the Origin over the desired spot, centered, and press the
    green button "Quickly 2 times", think double click with a mouse.
    Regardless of the operation the double click locks the Origin into
    automatic mode and you do not have to hold the green button to be in
    auto mode. Auto mode automatically follows the path to be cut within
    the target circle on the screen. If in normal mode, press the green
    button one time, and the Origin cuts inside the target circle at about
    the pace you move it. Auto mode will cause the Origin to go around
    corners automatically if inside the circle target.

    I did see "auto mode" in the online tutorials. Of course I was
    referring to 3D carvings.

    Yeah, 3D is not available "Yet".



    Why can't the Origin do automatic cutting as large as the X-Y range of
    the controls. I gotta play with that but it's a long way off.

    The Origin will only correct within a limited range of motion, the
    circle. It works in auto for automatic small adjustments like corners
    and small arcs but only within the boundary of the circle on the screen.
    Remember you do have to move and make the coarse adjustments yourself.
    The Origin will only move at your speed. The auto mode will move
    "sightly" faster than you and in a direction as you as long as the path
    is inside that circle.

    If you are cutting out a triangle in regular mode you push the Origin
    along the path and it corrects to follow. When you come to the corner
    it may stop cutting at the corner until you move it along the next side
    at a different angle.

    In auto mode and if the circle is at the corner of the triangle the
    Origin will automatically change directions "within the circle" with out
    you having to change directions to execute the direction change.
    Of course you will have to change directions too but the Origin is not
    quite as dependent on you to tell it what direction to go.

    Also remember the Origin corrects your movements as long as you keep the
    circle on the path. In Auto mode it will change direction within the
    circle before you change direction.

    This will all make sense when you actually start using it in manual and
    auto mode. Manuel mode is easy and intuitive, Auto mode is easier still.

    One other thing about auto mode. Origin will cut at a faster rate in
    Auto mode. It will automatically move and correct within the circle
    faster than you if you are moving too slow. In manual mode it moves at
    your pace if you are moving slow. In Auto you kinda follow it vs. it
    following you.




    Back to the hole mentioned above.

    Place the origin over the desired spot, centered, and press the green
    button 2 times quickly and the Origin will begin lowering and circling
    at the same time until it gets to the desire depth. You only hold the
    handles and let it do its thing. Press the yellow/orange button to retract. >>
    I have not tried this yet but it may also work similarly with a small
    square and or rectangle as long as the Origin does not have to be moved
    to complete the cut.

    How is this different?

    Normally what you are cutting is beyond the circle target on the screen.
    The Origin will cut to desired depth and then move on it's path. With
    helix it goes in a circle as it lowers.

    I find myself using the double click lock into auto mode all of the time
    regardless of what I am working on.

    The Origin will cut in auto mode if you press the green button to begin
    the cut and then hold the green button down, that becomes tiresome.
    Double click to lock auto-mode instead.

    AIUI, auto-mode will also regulate the cut rate, too.

    Yes! Within the circle. If you go too fast in either auto or manual
    mode or move the circle to far ahead or off course the spindle will lift
    out of the cut.


    It takes a little getting used to, a little like chewing gum and walking
    at the same time. ;~)

    If you have not used the Origin much yet learn the double click
    function. This requires a bit less detailed guidance by you, especially
    when going in circles/curves and or going around corners. In this auto
    mode the Origin will follow the path to be cut "within the circle" with
    out you having to compensate so much to coax it along.

    PLAY with it. This thing is way cool.

    As far as the Origin being able to change the depth of cut along a
    larger path multiple times, I think it will only be limited by the
    development of the updated operating systems.






    But that said, I had not thought of using a bit like Bob found.

    I thought of it. I'd been looking at those bits for other reasons. I
    thought it might be a little difficult to get the size right
    (combination of the angle of the bit and the exact depth of the resaw.

    Yeah it would probably take a few tries to sneak up on the proper fit.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 24 18:06:36 2022
    On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 11:49:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 2/23/2022 8:50 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 13:59:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 2/22/2022 9:18 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:47:56 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 2/22/2022 8:23 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:29:56 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH >>>>>>>>> https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    I hate to blow my own horn (toot toot) but didn't I put that suggestion in
    your head about a month ago?

    I am, of course, glad that you worked it out in any case. Nice job. >>>>>>>>
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:27:35 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>>>>>
    "I assume that the shaper can make a tapered cut. I see a small gap around
    the plug. Wouldn't a tapered plug that extends above the surface fill that
    gap once it's planed/sanded down?"
    You get full credit for the inspiration. I had not forgot. I started looking for an answer as soon as you suggested it. I just did not think it was possible. I'm sorry I did not lead with giving full credit to you. The key to going forward was
    discovering a bit that cost $17 instead of $60. This bit is SPEtool brand. I have never used them before. It is very impressive - cuts smooth and does not create shaving strings. I will try some of their "normal" bits to see how they work.

    Bob

    No problem. Sometimes I get things right and on those rare occasions >>>>>> it feels good. ;-)

    Well to put this in perspective, I believe I told BOB to use the Shaper. >>>>> I knew he had one. LOL

    FWIW the "Shaper Origin" cannot make a tapered cut like some CNC
    machines. The tapered bit makes the tapered cut. Multiple 3-4 axis >>>>> CNC's can tilt the spindle to create angled/tapered cuts with straight >>>>> bits. The Origin is 3 axis. The Origin spindle moves straight up and >>>>> down on the z axis and anywhere between the X,Y axis.

    The Origin isn't a true three-axis CNC. It can't change depth during
    a cut, can it?

    Well, yes it can. But with limitations. There is an operation known as >>> a helix cut. Basically a cut that does not require for the unit to move >>> for the complete cut. Think larger holes than the diameter of the bit
    but within the range of the X,Y movement with out moving the unit.

    I do not know if you have used yours much yet but but here is the scenario. >>>
    No, still doing some other things in the shop but getting there.
    Everything is taking *much* longer than I thought. I'm only able to
    work a couple of hours a day.

    Say you have a 1/4" straight cut bit in the Origin and you want cut a
    hole that is larger than 1/4" in diameter but smaller than maybe 1/2~5/8". >>>
    You place the Origin over the desired spot, centered, and press the
    green button "Quickly 2 times", think double click with a mouse.
    Regardless of the operation the double click locks the Origin into
    automatic mode and you do not have to hold the green button to be in
    auto mode. Auto mode automatically follows the path to be cut within
    the target circle on the screen. If in normal mode, press the green
    button one time, and the Origin cuts inside the target circle at about
    the pace you move it. Auto mode will cause the Origin to go around
    corners automatically if inside the circle target.

    I did see "auto mode" in the online tutorials. Of course I was
    referring to 3D carvings.

    Yeah, 3D is not available "Yet".



    Why can't the Origin do automatic cutting as large as the X-Y range of
    the controls. I gotta play with that but it's a long way off.

    The Origin will only correct within a limited range of motion, the
    circle. It works in auto for automatic small adjustments like corners
    and small arcs but only within the boundary of the circle on the screen.

    Right, but isn't that circle larger than 5/8"? It should be able to
    make a hole as large as the circle, assuming the Origin is placed
    perfectly over the center.

    Remember you do have to move and make the coarse adjustments yourself.
    The Origin will only move at your speed. The auto mode will move
    "sightly" faster than you and in a direction as you as long as the path
    is inside that circle.

    If you are cutting out a triangle in regular mode you push the Origin
    along the path and it corrects to follow. When you come to the corner
    it may stop cutting at the corner until you move it along the next side
    at a different angle.

    In auto mode and if the circle is at the corner of the triangle the
    Origin will automatically change directions "within the circle" with out
    you having to change directions to execute the direction change.
    Of course you will have to change directions too but the Origin is not
    quite as dependent on you to tell it what direction to go.

    Also remember the Origin corrects your movements as long as you keep the >circle on the path. In Auto mode it will change direction within the
    circle before you change direction.

    This will all make sense when you actually start using it in manual and
    auto mode. Manuel mode is easy and intuitive, Auto mode is easier still.

    I see how it works but, yes, I do need to play. A lot.

    One other thing about auto mode. Origin will cut at a faster rate in
    Auto mode. It will automatically move and correct within the circle
    faster than you if you are moving too slow. In manual mode it moves at
    your pace if you are moving slow. In Auto you kinda follow it vs. it >following you.

    I suppose auto mode would burn less at least if the depth of cut is
    right.


    Back to the hole mentioned above.

    Place the origin over the desired spot, centered, and press the green
    button 2 times quickly and the Origin will begin lowering and circling
    at the same time until it gets to the desire depth. You only hold the
    handles and let it do its thing. Press the yellow/orange button to retract. >>>
    I have not tried this yet but it may also work similarly with a small
    square and or rectangle as long as the Origin does not have to be moved
    to complete the cut.

    How is this different?

    Normally what you are cutting is beyond the circle target on the screen. >>> The Origin will cut to desired depth and then move on it's path. With >>> helix it goes in a circle as it lowers.

    I find myself using the double click lock into auto mode all of the time >>> regardless of what I am working on.

    The Origin will cut in auto mode if you press the green button to begin
    the cut and then hold the green button down, that becomes tiresome.
    Double click to lock auto-mode instead.

    AIUI, auto-mode will also regulate the cut rate, too.

    Yes! Within the circle. If you go too fast in either auto or manual
    mode or move the circle to far ahead or off course the spindle will lift
    out of the cut.

    But it won't lag in auto mode, right? It wants to cut at its rate but
    you have to follow it around. If you lead too fast?

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Fri Feb 25 17:20:35 2022
    On 2/24/2022 5:06 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 11:49:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 2/23/2022 8:50 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 13:59:04 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 2/22/2022 9:18 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:47:56 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 2/22/2022 8:23 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:29:56 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 9:33:56 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-5, wrober...@gmail.com wrote:
    DISCLAIMER: I am an engineer. I frequently solve problems that do not exist. I create overly complicated solutions to these problems.

    Recently, we had an ongoing conversation about patching a misplaced domino mortise. Leon suggested using my Origin to make a patch. It was a semi-successful solution, albeit, the plug had straight sides.

    I decided to see if I could work out how to make a taper sided plug that could be any size/shape (circle, oval, football, random, etc) Here is my solution:

    1. Use this bit. https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0gJq4WnLJOIYYH >>>>>>>>>> https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07B94SMG1/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

    2. Create plug design using exact dimensions of required plug. Most plugs can be designed with Origin onboard software.

    3. cut specifications
    speed 6
    depth 1/2"
    bit diameter 0.16"
    outside cut
    0.0 offset
    Make two passes (1/4", 1/2" deep)

    This will create a plug 1/2" thick that leaves about 1/16" proud when you install it in the target hole with glue and a wooden mallet.

    Yesterday, I drilled a 7/16" diameter countersink hole on the wrong side of my workpiece. I do not have a 7/16" plug cutter, so I whipped one out with the Origin. It worked perfectly.

    Bob
    I hate to blow my own horn (toot toot) but didn't I put that suggestion in
    your head about a month ago?

    I am, of course, glad that you worked it out in any case. Nice job. >>>>>>>>>
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:27:35 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: >>>>>>>>>
    "I assume that the shaper can make a tapered cut. I see a small gap around
    the plug. Wouldn't a tapered plug that extends above the surface fill that
    gap once it's planed/sanded down?"
    You get full credit for the inspiration. I had not forgot. I started looking for an answer as soon as you suggested it. I just did not think it was possible. I'm sorry I did not lead with giving full credit to you. The key to going forward was
    discovering a bit that cost $17 instead of $60. This bit is SPEtool brand. I have never used them before. It is very impressive - cuts smooth and does not create shaving strings. I will try some of their "normal" bits to see how they work.

    Bob

    No problem. Sometimes I get things right and on those rare occasions >>>>>>> it feels good. ;-)

    Well to put this in perspective, I believe I told BOB to use the Shaper. >>>>>> I knew he had one. LOL

    FWIW the "Shaper Origin" cannot make a tapered cut like some CNC
    machines. The tapered bit makes the tapered cut. Multiple 3-4 axis >>>>>> CNC's can tilt the spindle to create angled/tapered cuts with straight >>>>>> bits. The Origin is 3 axis. The Origin spindle moves straight up and >>>>>> down on the z axis and anywhere between the X,Y axis.

    The Origin isn't a true three-axis CNC. It can't change depth during >>>>> a cut, can it?

    Well, yes it can. But with limitations. There is an operation known as >>>> a helix cut. Basically a cut that does not require for the unit to move >>>> for the complete cut. Think larger holes than the diameter of the bit >>>> but within the range of the X,Y movement with out moving the unit.

    I do not know if you have used yours much yet but but here is the scenario.

    No, still doing some other things in the shop but getting there.
    Everything is taking *much* longer than I thought. I'm only able to
    work a couple of hours a day.

    Say you have a 1/4" straight cut bit in the Origin and you want cut a
    hole that is larger than 1/4" in diameter but smaller than maybe 1/2~5/8". >>>>
    You place the Origin over the desired spot, centered, and press the
    green button "Quickly 2 times", think double click with a mouse.
    Regardless of the operation the double click locks the Origin into
    automatic mode and you do not have to hold the green button to be in
    auto mode. Auto mode automatically follows the path to be cut within
    the target circle on the screen. If in normal mode, press the green
    button one time, and the Origin cuts inside the target circle at about >>>> the pace you move it. Auto mode will cause the Origin to go around
    corners automatically if inside the circle target.

    I did see "auto mode" in the online tutorials. Of course I was
    referring to 3D carvings.

    Yeah, 3D is not available "Yet".



    Why can't the Origin do automatic cutting as large as the X-Y range of
    the controls. I gotta play with that but it's a long way off.

    The Origin will only correct within a limited range of motion, the
    circle. It works in auto for automatic small adjustments like corners
    and small arcs but only within the boundary of the circle on the screen.

    Right, but isn't that circle larger than 5/8"? It should be able to
    make a hole as large as the circle, assuming the Origin is placed
    perfectly over the center.

    It may be, but hot too much larger the circle on the screen only needs
    to be over the path area. If the path area is smaller and centered than
    the circle you are good to go.




    Remember you do have to move and make the coarse adjustments yourself.
    The Origin will only move at your speed. The auto mode will move
    "sightly" faster than you and in a direction as you as long as the path
    is inside that circle.

    If you are cutting out a triangle in regular mode you push the Origin
    along the path and it corrects to follow. When you come to the corner
    it may stop cutting at the corner until you move it along the next side
    at a different angle.

    In auto mode and if the circle is at the corner of the triangle the
    Origin will automatically change directions "within the circle" with out
    you having to change directions to execute the direction change.
    Of course you will have to change directions too but the Origin is not
    quite as dependent on you to tell it what direction to go.

    Also remember the Origin corrects your movements as long as you keep the
    circle on the path. In Auto mode it will change direction within the
    circle before you change direction.

    This will all make sense when you actually start using it in manual and
    auto mode. Manuel mode is easy and intuitive, Auto mode is easier still.

    I see how it works but, yes, I do need to play. A lot.

    One other thing about auto mode. Origin will cut at a faster rate in
    Auto mode. It will automatically move and correct within the circle
    faster than you if you are moving too slow. In manual mode it moves at
    your pace if you are moving slow. In Auto you kinda follow it vs. it
    following you.

    I suppose auto mode would burn less at least if the depth of cut is
    right.

    To tell you the truth I have not had a burning issue unless using a
    crappy bit. I was trying out 4 flute end mill bits that were cheap.
    Needless to say you don't want to let the bit spin in one place. If you
    stop moving press the orange button to lift the spindle.





    Back to the hole mentioned above.

    Place the origin over the desired spot, centered, and press the green >>>> button 2 times quickly and the Origin will begin lowering and circling >>>> at the same time until it gets to the desire depth. You only hold the >>>> handles and let it do its thing. Press the yellow/orange button to retract.

    I have not tried this yet but it may also work similarly with a small >>>> square and or rectangle as long as the Origin does not have to be moved >>>> to complete the cut.

    How is this different?

    Normally what you are cutting is beyond the circle target on the screen. >>>> The Origin will cut to desired depth and then move on it's path. With >>>> helix it goes in a circle as it lowers.

    I find myself using the double click lock into auto mode all of the time >>>> regardless of what I am working on.

    The Origin will cut in auto mode if you press the green button to begin >>>> the cut and then hold the green button down, that becomes tiresome.
    Double click to lock auto-mode instead.

    AIUI, auto-mode will also regulate the cut rate, too.

    Yes! Within the circle. If you go too fast in either auto or manual
    mode or move the circle to far ahead or off course the spindle will lift
    out of the cut.

    But it won't lag in auto mode, right? It wants to cut at its rate but
    you have to follow it around. If you lead too fast?

    It could lag in auto mode if you move too fast. But I think you will
    find that you will probably move slower and you really only watch the
    screen vs. the actual progress so pace is pretty easy to figure out.

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