My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's. I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor. The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. It's an oil lubed cast ironworkhorse. Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's.
I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor.
The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it.
It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Note country of origin. "Speedaire" is Grainger's house brand--they
don't make it, it might have been made by any of a number of
companies.
If you can identify the actual manufacturer and they are still around
it might be worthwhile contacting them to see if your existing
compressor can be overhauled.
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's. I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor. The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. It's an oil lubed cast ironworkhorse. Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Bob
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:02:51 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis >><wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's.
I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor.
The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it.
It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7 >>
Note country of origin. "Speedaire" is Grainger's house brand--they
don't make it, it might have been made by any of a number of
companies.
If you can identify the actual manufacturer and they are still around
it might be worthwhile contacting them to see if your existing
compressor can be overhauled.
Sorry - I can't recommend a make/model but I strongly suspect
that ~ _all_ your new choices will be made in China.
Your link carefully avoids the Made In category .. hint hint .
ps: it will not last 40 years ..
John T.
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's. I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor. The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. It's an oil lubed cast ironworkhorse. Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:If the tank motor and controls are all in good shape just pick up a
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Bob
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:02:51 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis >><wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's.
I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor.
The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it.
It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7 >>
Note country of origin. "Speedaire" is Grainger's house brand--they
don't make it, it might have been made by any of a number of
companies.
If you can identify the actual manufacturer and they are still around
it might be worthwhile contacting them to see if your existing
compressor can be overhauled.
Sorry - I can't recommend a make/model but I strongly suspect
that ~ _all_ your new choices will be made in China.
Your link carefully avoids the Made In category .. hint hint .
ps: it will not last 40 years ..
John T.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 13:28:45 -0500, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:02:51 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's.
I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor.
The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it.
It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Note country of origin. "Speedaire" is Grainger's house brand--they
don't make it, it might have been made by any of a number of
companies.
If you can identify the actual manufacturer and they are still around
it might be worthwhile contacting them to see if your existing
compressor can be overhauled.
Sorry - I can't recommend a make/model but I strongly suspectHow many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
that ~ _all_ your new choices will be made in China.
Your link carefully avoids the Made In category .. hint hint .
ps: it will not last 40 years ..
John T.
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:41 coming up for me and my gal.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 13:28:45 -0500, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:02:51 -0500, J. ClarkeHow many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
<jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's.
I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor.
The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it.
It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Note country of origin. "Speedaire" is Grainger's house brand--they
don't make it, it might have been made by any of a number of
companies.
If you can identify the actual manufacturer and they are still around
it might be worthwhile contacting them to see if your existing
compressor can be overhauled.
Sorry - I can't recommend a make/model but I strongly suspect
that ~ _all_ your new choices will be made in China.
Your link carefully avoids the Made In category .. hint hint .
ps: it will not last 40 years ..
John T.
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
My marriage is approaching that. I was concerned at one point, but not anymore.
On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 13:28:45 -0500, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:02:51 -0500, J. ClarkeHow many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
<jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's.
I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor.
The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it.
It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Note country of origin. "Speedaire" is Grainger's house brand--they
don't make it, it might have been made by any of a number of
companies.
If you can identify the actual manufacturer and they are still around
it might be worthwhile contacting them to see if your existing
compressor can be overhauled.
Sorry - I can't recommend a make/model but I strongly suspect
that ~ _all_ your new choices will be made in China.
Your link carefully avoids the Made In category .. hint hint .
ps: it will not last 40 years ..
John T.
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
My marriage is approaching that. I was concerned at one point, but not anymore.
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's. I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor. The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. It's an oil lubed cast ironworkhorse. Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Bob
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 13:28:45 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:02:51 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's.
I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor.
The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it.
It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Note country of origin. "Speedaire" is Grainger's house brand--they
don't make it, it might have been made by any of a number of
companies.
If you can identify the actual manufacturer and they are still around
it might be worthwhile contacting them to see if your existing
compressor can be overhauled.
Sorry - I can't recommend a make/model but I strongly suspect
that ~ _all_ your new choices will be made in China.
Your link carefully avoids the Made In category .. hint hint .
ps: it will not last 40 years ..
John T.
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
On 12/31/2021 9:35, Bob Davis wrote:workhorse. Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's. I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor. The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. It's an oil lubed cast iron
Definitely an option IF the parts are available
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7 >>
Bob
If it's hung on that long, I personally would try to rebuild it before >considering a replacement. Perhaps it just needs new seals?
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 13:28:45 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:02:51 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's.
I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor.
The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it.
It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Note country of origin. "Speedaire" is Grainger's house brand--they
don't make it, it might have been made by any of a number of
companies.
If you can identify the actual manufacturer and they are still around
it might be worthwhile contacting them to see if your existing
compressor can be overhauled.
Sorry - I can't recommend a make/model but I strongly suspect
that ~ _all_ your new choices will be made in China.
Your link carefully avoids the Made In category .. hint hint .
ps: it will not last 40 years ..
John T.
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
On 12/31/2021 3:59 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 13:28:45 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:02:51 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's.
I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor.
The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. >>>>> It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Note country of origin. "Speedaire" is Grainger's house brand--they
don't make it, it might have been made by any of a number of
companies.
If you can identify the actual manufacturer and they are still around
it might be worthwhile contacting them to see if your existing
compressor can be overhauled.
Sorry - I can't recommend a make/model but I strongly suspect
that ~ _all_ your new choices will be made in China.
Your link carefully avoids the Made In category .. hint hint .
ps: it will not last 40 years ..
John T.
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Well if you don't buy some thing that will last that long you might not
get 5 years out of it.
On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 11:56:54 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 12/31/2021 3:59 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 13:28:45 -0500, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:02:51 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's.
I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor.
The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. >>>>> It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Note country of origin. "Speedaire" is Grainger's house brand--they
don't make it, it might have been made by any of a number of
companies.
If you can identify the actual manufacturer and they are still around >>>> it might be worthwhile contacting them to see if your existing
compressor can be overhauled.
Sorry - I can't recommend a make/model but I strongly suspect
that ~ _all_ your new choices will be made in China.
Your link carefully avoids the Made In category .. hint hint .
ps: it will not last 40 years ..
John T.
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Well if you don't buy some thing that will last that long you might notAre you that hard on your toys?
get 5 years out of it.
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to >pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), Bob DavisMaybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
<wrober...@gmail.com> wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's. I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor. The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
BobIf the tank motor and controls are all in good shape just pick up a
a replacement compressor head. Here in Canada Princess Auto usually
has a good assortment at reasonable prices. In the USA I imagine
Northern Machine or one of the farm and home supply chains would have
good availability.
Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... LolA good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
Puckdropper
Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to >pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper <em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote in >news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to >pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >balls, it would make their life that much easier.For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
Puckdropper
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper <em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to >> >pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, >forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey >is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats. >What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top >them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper <em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to >> >pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, >forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey >is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats. >What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top >them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
On 1/2/2022 9:48, Puckdropper wrote:
Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to >> pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
Puckdropper
Well, I'm probably a fair deal younger than most here (in my 20's). If
I had a garage, I'd love to have one of those "monsters".
I have an old sears compressor, no tank, that was used for some kind of
power spray tool. It will inflate a tire to almost exactly 40 PSI, so I
use that for car tires until you can hear the machine spitting out the
excess PSI at its limit.
I have a couple of cheap, small, crappy pan-cake style "noise makers".
A decent air compressor is in my future, at some point. One that isn't
too heavy to haul up and down the cellar steps, due to my no garage >situation.
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 20:30:19 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 9:48, Puckdropper wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to >> pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
Puckdropper
Well, I'm probably a fair deal younger than most here (in my 20's). If
I had a garage, I'd love to have one of those "monsters".
I have an old sears compressor, no tank, that was used for some kind of >power spray tool. It will inflate a tire to almost exactly 40 PSI, so I
use that for car tires until you can hear the machine spitting out the >excess PSI at its limit.
I have a couple of cheap, small, crappy pan-cake style "noise makers".There's nothing really wrong with pancake compressors. They're not
A decent air compressor is in my future, at some point. One that isn't
too heavy to haul up and down the cellar steps, due to my no garage >situation.
good for painting but they'll run any air tools that you're likely to
use. I've had one for 15-20 years. I have another in my garage that is
just a pancake compressor with elephantiasis. I think it's a 225psi
15gal so it has plenty of air storage but its recovery time is
abysmal. I intend to plumb it into the basement so the noise stays in
the garage. You could do the opposite but you may run into a freezing problem. With a little thought that shouldn't be too hard to avoid.
Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
Puckdropper
On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 11:56:54 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 12/31/2021 3:59 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 13:28:45 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:02:51 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 06:35:54 -0800 (PST), Bob Davis
<wrobertdavis@gmail.com> wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's.
I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor.
The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. >>>>>> It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Note country of origin. "Speedaire" is Grainger's house brand--they >>>>> don't make it, it might have been made by any of a number of
companies.
If you can identify the actual manufacturer and they are still around >>>>> it might be worthwhile contacting them to see if your existing
compressor can be overhauled.
Sorry - I can't recommend a make/model but I strongly suspect
that ~ _all_ your new choices will be made in China.
Your link carefully avoids the Made In category .. hint hint .
ps: it will not last 40 years ..
John T.
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Well if you don't buy some thing that will last that long you might not
get 5 years out of it.
Are you that hard on your toys?
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper <em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to >>> pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats. What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
On 1/2/2022 4:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper <em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to >>>> pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top >> them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
Funny you should mention that. My wife's spare requires 60 lb. Oddly
the spare tire has a pressure sensor that does not show up on the info
screen like the tires on the ground do. But if it is low the low air
light comes on. We thought we would never figure that one out.
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to >>>> pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top >> them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way
flat.
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 20:30:19 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 9:48, Puckdropper wrote:
Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to >>> pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
Puckdropper
Well, I'm probably a fair deal younger than most here (in my 20's). If
I had a garage, I'd love to have one of those "monsters".
I have an old sears compressor, no tank, that was used for some kind of
power spray tool. It will inflate a tire to almost exactly 40 PSI, so I
use that for car tires until you can hear the machine spitting out the
excess PSI at its limit.
I have a couple of cheap, small, crappy pan-cake style "noise makers".
A decent air compressor is in my future, at some point. One that isn't
too heavy to haul up and down the cellar steps, due to my no garage
situation.
There's nothing really wrong with pancake compressors. They're not
good for painting but they'll run any air tools that you're likely to
use. I've had one for 15-20 years. I have another in my garage that is
just a pancake compressor with elephantiasis. I think it's a 225psi
15gal so it has plenty of air storage but its recovery time is
abysmal. I intend to plumb it into the basement so the noise stays in
the garage. You could do the opposite but you may run into a freezing problem. With a little thought that shouldn't be too hard to avoid.
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, >>> forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968 >bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history.
On 1/2/2022 21:46, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 20:30:19 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 9:48, Puckdropper wrote:
Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to >>>> pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
Puckdropper
Well, I'm probably a fair deal younger than most here (in my 20's). If
I had a garage, I'd love to have one of those "monsters".
I have an old sears compressor, no tank, that was used for some kind of
power spray tool. It will inflate a tire to almost exactly 40 PSI, so I >>> use that for car tires until you can hear the machine spitting out the
excess PSI at its limit.
I have a couple of cheap, small, crappy pan-cake style "noise makers".
A decent air compressor is in my future, at some point. One that isn't
too heavy to haul up and down the cellar steps, due to my no garage
situation.
There's nothing really wrong with pancake compressors. They're not
good for painting but they'll run any air tools that you're likely to
use. I've had one for 15-20 years. I have another in my garage that is
just a pancake compressor with elephantiasis. I think it's a 225psi
15gal so it has plenty of air storage but its recovery time is
abysmal. I intend to plumb it into the basement so the noise stays in
the garage. You could do the opposite but you may run into a freezing
problem. With a little thought that shouldn't be too hard to avoid.
True, nothing wrong with pancake compressors. The two that I have are
far smaller than 15 gallons, one is a Walmart brand. Those ones are
garbage, in specific. That was a regretted purchase from a few years ago.
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net>Â wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net>Â wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice
thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, >>> forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in
my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle
row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can
check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have
spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968 bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
  The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history.
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, >>>> forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
On 1/3/2022 11:00 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, >>>>> forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972 >>>> in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way >>>> flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >distance from a tire store. ;~)
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
On 1/3/2022 10:50 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice
thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, >>>> forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in
my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle
row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can
check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have
spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Amazing that it has not concerted over to Maypop status. Maypop any time.
Funny how many people have tire troubles on he road. How old are
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history.
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 18:11:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking
distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
Working? The kid lives 1200 mi from here. The beach is 350mi. Disney
world is 450mi. A few places.
How about these scenarios: Your employee forgets to plug the truck in
when he's done for the day. He keeps it overnight and because and
doesn't have a charging station.... You're driving all day
supervising jobs across the city? Nope, _DUMB_ idea. Only a virtue-signaling-eco-freak could love such a dumb idea.
Ford might be able to buy fewer EPA mileage credits from Elon, though.
...if they can find enough suckers.
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking
distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
On 1/3/2022 12:11 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking
distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
Not often but with that range you don't take it on a long trip. And you
may consider a truck not being a good vacation vehicle but a truck that
costs that much should be more comfortable on long trips. My wife and I >would much rather take our upper end F150 on vacation than her upper end >Camry.
I think that the electrics might be better to use when range doubles,
can be recharged in about the time it takes to fill a tank of gasoline,
and or if only using it as a city commuter.
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to get
back home.
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:08:56 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 10:50 AM, Michael Trew wrote:Funny how many people have tire troubles on he road. How old are
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice >>>>>>> thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, >>>>> forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in
my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle
row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can
check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have
spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Amazing that it has not concerted over to Maypop status. Maypop any time.
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972 >>>> in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way >>>> flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history.
their tires? Are the tires the right tires for the application and of
good quality???.What are they hitting? Are they not watching where
they are driving? Or do thy just not care???
And I forgot the one time I needed the spare on my '69 dart - 2 days
after buying new tires I picked up a cross-traffic vehicle counter
hose that had come un-nailed from the road - putting 3 nail holes
within a square inch and wrapping about 20 feet of hose around the
tire. When I went tio the city traffic department to make a claim for
the damage the guy asked "what makes you think it was our traffic
counter that flattened the tire?" I opened the door and rolled in the
wheel still fastened to the 20 foot hose and told him to check
thecounter at the location and then explain to me how it was NOT his
counter that caused the problem. They bought a new tire.
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 12:11:26 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking
distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
I think that is the range without heating or air conditioning. Put it Minnesota in winter and the heater will suck the batteries down much quicker. I think would also be true for Houston in August with air conditioning.
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 18:11:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>>distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >>day?
Working? The kid lives 1200 mi from here. The beach is 350mi. Disney
world is 450mi. A few places.
Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:The last few years I've put about 6000km a year on the old ranger -
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 12:11:26 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking
distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
I think that is the range without heating or air conditioning. Put it Minnesota in winter and the heater will suck the batteries down much quicker. I think would also be true for Houston in August with air conditioning.
Current numbers indicate a 10-40% drop in range in the winter - as much because
the batteries need to be warmed up than the use of the heater. Although keeping
the interior in the low 60's and wearing a coat and using the seat-heaters helps.
Also depends on the technology - heat pump vs. resistance heat.
The batteries need to be warmed up before use, so preconditioning (via your smartphone
app or scheduled via the manufacturer) while still connected to the charger helps
preserve range in the winter.
I drive my pick-em-up truck, on average, about 350 miles a month.
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:26:28 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:The last few years I've put about 6000km a year on the old ranger -
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 12:11:26 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>> >The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range >>>> of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >>>> day?
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>> >>distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
I think that is the range without heating or air conditioning. Put it Minnesota in winter and the heater will suck the batteries down much quicker. I think would also be true for Houston in August with air conditioning.
Current numbers indicate a 10-40% drop in range in the winter - as much because
the batteries need to be warmed up than the use of the heater. Although keeping
the interior in the low 60's and wearing a coat and using the seat-heaters helps.
Also depends on the technology - heat pump vs. resistance heat.
The batteries need to be warmed up before use, so preconditioning (via your smartphone
app or scheduled via the manufacturer) while still connected to the charger helps
preserve range in the winter.
I drive my pick-em-up truck, on average, about 350 miles a month.
likely less than 5000 this last year. Not that long ago I was putting
on 25000+
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 16:41:38 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:26:28 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:
Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:The last few years I've put about 6000km a year on the old ranger -
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 12:11:26 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>> >The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range >>>>> of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >>>>> day?
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>>> >>distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
I think that is the range without heating or air conditioning. Put it Minnesota in winter and the heater will suck the batteries down much quicker. I think would also be true for Houston in August with air conditioning.
Current numbers indicate a 10-40% drop in range in the winter - as much because
the batteries need to be warmed up than the use of the heater. Although keeping
the interior in the low 60's and wearing a coat and using the seat-heaters helps.
Also depends on the technology - heat pump vs. resistance heat.
The batteries need to be warmed up before use, so preconditioning (via your smartphone
app or scheduled via the manufacturer) while still connected to the charger helps
preserve range in the winter.
I drive my pick-em-up truck, on average, about 350 miles a month.
likely less than 5000 this last year. Not that long ago I was putting
on 25000+
I have put less than 1600 miles on a new truck I bought in October
last year.
Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 12:11:26 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking
distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
I think that is the range without heating or air conditioning. Put it Minnesota in winter and the heater will suck the batteries down much quicker. I think would also be true for Houston in August with air conditioning.
Current numbers indicate a 10-40% drop in range in the winter - as much because
the batteries need to be warmed up than the use of the heater. Although keeping
the interior in the low 60's and wearing a coat and using the seat-heaters helps.
Also depends on the technology - heat pump vs. resistance heat.
The batteries need to be warmed up before use, so preconditioning (via your smartphone
app or scheduled via the manufacturer) while still connected to the charger helps
preserve range in the winter.
I drive my pick-em-up truck, on average, about 350 miles a month.
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 18:11:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>>>distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >>>day?
Working? The kid lives 1200 mi from here. The beach is 350mi. Disney
world is 450mi. A few places.
Well, your needs don't match the capabilities. Buy something that does
and stop your political posturing.
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000
miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most
users who aren't you.
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 12:11:26 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking
distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
I think that is the range without heating or air conditioning. Put it Minnesota in winter and the heater will suck the batteries down much quicker. I think would also be true for Houston in August with air conditioning.
Bob
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:30:07 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 18:11:21 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>>>distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range >>>of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >>>day?
Working? The kid lives 1200 mi from here. The beach is 350mi. Disney >>world is 450mi. A few places.
Well, your needs don't match the capabilities. Buy something that doesBullshit. Your furher (more accurately his puppet masters) is trying
and stop your political posturing.
to bankrupt the oil industry and force everyone to electric, which has
*NO* chance of working but will bankrupt the country (the whole
point).
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000Nonsense.
miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most
users who aren't you.
Working? The kid lives 1200 mi from here. The beach is 350mi. Disney
world is 450mi. A few places.
How about these scenarios: Your employee forgets to plug the truck in
when he's done for the day. He keeps it overnight and because and
doesn't have a charging station.... You're driving all day
supervising jobs across the city? Nope, _DUMB_ idea. Only a
virtue-signaling-eco-freak could love such a dumb idea.
Ford might be able to buy fewer EPA mileage credits from Elon, though.
...if they can find enough suckers.
And that is part of the problem with electrics.
Along with this is the mileage estimate when new. What about in 3~5
years and or 40K miles?
Until an electric is capable of going 500~600 miles on a charge, and
charging takes less than 15 minutes I'll stick with gasoline.
Maybe an electric for my wife for around town driving, if it is less expensive than gasoline to buy.
Bullshit. Your furher (more accurately his puppet masters) is trying
to bankrupt the oil industry and force everyone to electric, which has
*NO* chance of working but will bankrupt the country (the whole
point).
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 23:35:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 10:00 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:They are also one of the biggest players in wind and solar power
Bullshit. Your furher (more accurately his puppet masters) is trying
to bankrupt the oil industry and force everyone to electric, which has
*NO* chance of working but will bankrupt the country (the whole
point).
Oil companies are adapting
https://www.shell.com/energy-and-innovation/new-energies/electric-vehicle-charging.html
As one of the world’s largest energy suppliers, Shell has played a part
in the essential journeys people make every day for well over a century.
Our aim now is to become one of the largest electric charging solutions
providers globally, meeting customer demand at home, at work or on the go. >>
Growing network of electric charging points
Shell has set a target to operate over 500,000 charge points by 2025.
Currently, we operate over 80,000 charge points for electric cars at
homes, business, Shell retail sites and destinations. In addition, we
currently offer access to over 300,000 additional charge points through
our roaming networks
worldwide
On 1/3/2022 10:00 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:They are also one of the biggest players in wind and solar power
Bullshit. Your furher (more accurately his puppet masters) is trying
to bankrupt the oil industry and force everyone to electric, which has
*NO* chance of working but will bankrupt the country (the whole
point).
Oil companies are adapting
https://www.shell.com/energy-and-innovation/new-energies/electric-vehicle-charging.html
As one of the world’s largest energy suppliers, Shell has played a part
in the essential journeys people make every day for well over a century.
Our aim now is to become one of the largest electric charging solutions >providers globally, meeting customer demand at home, at work or on the go.
Growing network of electric charging points
Shell has set a target to operate over 500,000 charge points by 2025. >Currently, we operate over 80,000 charge points for electric cars at
homes, business, Shell retail sites and destinations. In addition, we >currently offer access to over 300,000 additional charge points through
our roaming networks
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work
related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to get
back home.
Where are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
On 1/3/2022 2:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >>> related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to get
back home.
Where are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
At one of the 500,000 stations Shell is putting in. Or the 7-11 as they
are putting them in.
There are 15 stations at 4 locations within 8 miles of me.
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 13:02:03 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:11 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>> distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
Not often but with that range you don't take it on a long trip. And youA puckup is the perfect vehicle for the beach or the kid's. Beach
may consider a truck not being a good vacation vehicle but a truck that >costs that much should be more comfortable on long trips. My wife and I >would much rather take our upper end F150 on vacation than her upper end >Camry.
chairs, umbrellas, and coolers for the beach and a bed-load of tools
for the kid's.
I think that the electrics might be better to use when range doubles,With or without Brandon paying a chunk of it?
can be recharged in about the time it takes to fill a tank of gasoline,
and or if only using it as a city commuter.
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to getWhere are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
back home.
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 15:48:24 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 16:41:38 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> >>wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:26:28 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>wrote:
Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:The last few years I've put about 6000km a year on the old ranger - >>>likely less than 5000 this last year. Not that long ago I was putting
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 12:11:26 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>>> k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>> >The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range >>>>>> of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >>>>>> day?
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>>>> >>distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
I think that is the range without heating or air conditioning. Put it Minnesota in winter and the heater will suck the batteries down much quicker. I think would also be true for Houston in August with air conditioning.
Current numbers indicate a 10-40% drop in range in the winter - as much because
the batteries need to be warmed up than the use of the heater. Although keeping
the interior in the low 60's and wearing a coat and using the seat-heaters helps.
Also depends on the technology - heat pump vs. resistance heat.
The batteries need to be warmed up before use, so preconditioning (via your smartphone
app or scheduled via the manufacturer) while still connected to the charger helps
preserve range in the winter.
I drive my pick-em-up truck, on average, about 350 miles a month.
on 25000+
I have put less than 1600 miles on a new truck I bought in October
last year.
I've put 1800+ on a truck I bought in mid-November.
On 1/4/2022 12:17 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 23:35:28 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 10:00 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
Bullshit. Your furher (more accurately his puppet masters) is trying
They are also one of the biggest players in wind and solar powerto bankrupt the oil industry and force everyone to electric, which has >>>> *NO* chance of working but will bankrupt the country (the whole
point).
Oil companies are adapting
https://www.shell.com/energy-and-innovation/new-energies/electric-vehicle-charging.html
As one of the world’s largest energy suppliers, Shell has played a part >>> in the essential journeys people make every day for well over a century. >>> Our aim now is to become one of the largest electric charging solutions
providers globally, meeting customer demand at home, at work or on the go. >>>
Growing network of electric charging points
Shell has set a target to operate over 500,000 charge points by 2025.
Currently, we operate over 80,000 charge points for electric cars at
homes, business, Shell retail sites and destinations. In addition, we
currently offer access to over 300,000 additional charge points through
our roaming networks
worldwide
Smart business. Estimates vary but some day oil will begin to dry up
and be very expensive. They are planning ahead. I've heard numbers
from 40 to 100 years but it is finite.
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 2:22:12 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:My daughter was given a Chevy Bolt as a loaner when her car was in the
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 13:02:03 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:11 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:A puckup is the perfect vehicle for the beach or the kid's. Beach
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>>>> distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range >>>> of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >>>> day?
Not often but with that range you don't take it on a long trip. And you
may consider a truck not being a good vacation vehicle but a truck that
costs that much should be more comfortable on long trips. My wife and I
would much rather take our upper end F150 on vacation than her upper end >>> Camry.
chairs, umbrellas, and coolers for the beach and a bed-load of tools
for the kid's.
With or without Brandon paying a chunk of it?
I think that the electrics might be better to use when range doubles,
can be recharged in about the time it takes to fill a tank of gasoline,
and or if only using it as a city commuter.
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >>> related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to getWhere are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
back home.
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
I pretty sure that all EV's are capable of Level 1 charging, i.e. 120V.
I think that that is is the basic charger that comes with all EV.
I think.
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 00:30:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:Not a drier or stove outlet - a stadard Nema 5-15 plug.
On 1/3/2022 2:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >>>> related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to get
back home.
Where are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
At one of the 500,000 stations Shell is putting in. Or the 7-11 as they >>are putting them in.
There are 15 stations at 4 locations within 8 miles of me.
You don't recharge with a lamp cord but you do recharge with an
extension cord and a dryer or stove outlet.
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 2:22:12 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:The professor next door charges his Prius phev with the 15 amp 120
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 13:02:03 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:11 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:A puckup is the perfect vehicle for the beach or the kid's. Beach
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >> >>>
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >> >>>> distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
Not often but with that range you don't take it on a long trip. And you
may consider a truck not being a good vacation vehicle but a truck that
costs that much should be more comfortable on long trips. My wife and I
would much rather take our upper end F150 on vacation than her upper end
Camry.
chairs, umbrellas, and coolers for the beach and a bed-load of tools
for the kid's.
With or without Brandon paying a chunk of it?
I think that the electrics might be better to use when range doubles,
can be recharged in about the time it takes to fill a tank of gasoline,
and or if only using it as a city commuter.
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for workWhere are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to get
back home.
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
I pretty sure that all EV's are capable of Level 1 charging, i.e. 120V.
I think that that is is the basic charger that comes with all EV.
I think.
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's. I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor. The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. It's an oil lubed cast ironworkhorse. Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Bob
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:24:35 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 21:56:11 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 15:48:24 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 16:41:38 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:26:28 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>wrote:
Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:The last few years I've put about 6000km a year on the old ranger - >>>>>likely less than 5000 this last year. Not that long ago I was putting >>>>>on 25000+
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 12:11:26 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range >>>>>>>> of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >>>>>>>> day?
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking
distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
I think that is the range without heating or air conditioning. Put it Minnesota in winter and the heater will suck the batteries down much quicker. I think would also be true for Houston in August with air conditioning.
Current numbers indicate a 10-40% drop in range in the winter - as much because
the batteries need to be warmed up than the use of the heater. Although keeping
the interior in the low 60's and wearing a coat and using the seat-heaters helps.
Also depends on the technology - heat pump vs. resistance heat.
The batteries need to be warmed up before use, so preconditioning (via your smartphone
app or scheduled via the manufacturer) while still connected to the charger helps
preserve range in the winter.
I drive my pick-em-up truck, on average, about 350 miles a month.
I have put less than 1600 miles on a new truck I bought in October
last year.
I've put 1800+ on a truck I bought in mid-November.
So I bought in October 2020, and have driven nowhere or about 100 per >>month.
Yeah, we generally put about 30K miles between the two vehicles every
year.
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 21:56:11 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 15:48:24 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 16:41:38 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:26:28 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>wrote:
Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:The last few years I've put about 6000km a year on the old ranger - >>>>likely less than 5000 this last year. Not that long ago I was putting >>>>on 25000+
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 12:11:26 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>>>> k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>>> >The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range >>>>>>> of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >>>>>>> day?
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>>>>> >>distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
I think that is the range without heating or air conditioning. Put it Minnesota in winter and the heater will suck the batteries down much quicker. I think would also be true for Houston in August with air conditioning.
Current numbers indicate a 10-40% drop in range in the winter - as much because
the batteries need to be warmed up than the use of the heater. Although keeping
the interior in the low 60's and wearing a coat and using the seat-heaters helps.
Also depends on the technology - heat pump vs. resistance heat.
The batteries need to be warmed up before use, so preconditioning (via your smartphone
app or scheduled via the manufacturer) while still connected to the charger helps
preserve range in the winter.
I drive my pick-em-up truck, on average, about 350 miles a month.
I have put less than 1600 miles on a new truck I bought in October
last year.
I've put 1800+ on a truck I bought in mid-November.
So I bought in October 2020, and have driven nowhere or about 100 per
month.
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 00:30:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 2:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >>>> related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to get
back home.
Where are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
At one of the 500,000 stations Shell is putting in. Or the 7-11 as they >>are putting them in.
There are 15 stations at 4 locations within 8 miles of me.
You don't recharge with a lamp cord but you do recharge with an
extension cord and a dryer or stove outlet.
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 13:42:19 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:24:35 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 21:56:11 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 15:48:24 -0600, Markem618 <markrm618@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 16:41:38 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>>wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:26:28 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>wrote:
Bob Davis <wrobertdavis@gmail.com> writes:The last few years I've put about 6000km a year on the old ranger - >>>>>>likely less than 5000 this last year. Not that long ago I was putting >>>>>>on 25000+
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 12:11:26 PM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking
distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
I think that is the range without heating or air conditioning. Put it Minnesota in winter and the heater will suck the batteries down much quicker. I think would also be true for Houston in August with air conditioning.
Current numbers indicate a 10-40% drop in range in the winter - as much because
the batteries need to be warmed up than the use of the heater. Although keeping
the interior in the low 60's and wearing a coat and using the seat-heaters helps.
Also depends on the technology - heat pump vs. resistance heat.
The batteries need to be warmed up before use, so preconditioning (via your smartphone
app or scheduled via the manufacturer) while still connected to the charger helps
preserve range in the winter.
I drive my pick-em-up truck, on average, about 350 miles a month.
I have put less than 1600 miles on a new truck I bought in October >>>>>last year.
I've put 1800+ on a truck I bought in mid-November.
So I bought in October 2020, and have driven nowhere or about 100 per >>>month.
Yeah, we generally put about 30K miles between the two vehicles every
year.
BTW, that 15K per person is very close to the average for the country.
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 05:34:38 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 00:30:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 2:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >>>>> related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to get >>>>> back home.
Where are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
At one of the 500,000 stations Shell is putting in. Or the 7-11 as they >>>are putting them in.
There are 15 stations at 4 locations within 8 miles of me.
You don't recharge with a lamp cord but you do recharge with an
extension cord and a dryer or stove outlet.
Not in time to get home in the above scenario. You could do it with a >hamster wheel, too, if you had enough time.
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 10:00:35 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:30:07 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:Bullshit. Your furher (more accurately his puppet masters) is trying
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 18:11:21 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >> >>>>
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >> >>>>>distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working
day?
Working? The kid lives 1200 mi from here. The beach is 350mi. Disney
world is 450mi. A few places.
Well, your needs don't match the capabilities. Buy something that does
and stop your political posturing.
to bankrupt the oil industry and force everyone to electric, which has
*NO* chance of working but will bankrupt the country (the whole
point).
Nonsense.
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000
miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most
users who aren't you.
I'm not jumping in the middle of this discussion, but I was curious about >that stat. According to this .gov page, the average annual miles driven by >the "light truck/van" category is 11,543.
https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10309
"Vehicles with short wheelbases (<121") are generalized as cars and vehicles >with long wheelbases are generalized as light trucks."
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 13:48:11 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 05:34:38 -0500, J. ClarkePack a generator make your own hybrid.
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 00:30:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 2:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >>>>>> related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to get >>>>>> back home.
Where are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a >>>>> charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
At one of the 500,000 stations Shell is putting in. Or the 7-11 as they >>>>are putting them in.
There are 15 stations at 4 locations within 8 miles of me.
You don't recharge with a lamp cord but you do recharge with an
extension cord and a dryer or stove outlet.
Not in time to get home in the above scenario. You could do it with a >>hamster wheel, too, if you had enough time.
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 20:21:42 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000Nonsense.
miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most
users who aren't you.
I'm not jumping in the middle of this discussion, but I was curious about >>that stat. According to this .gov page, the average annual miles driven by >>the "light truck/van" category is 11,543.
https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10309
"Vehicles with short wheelbases (<121") are generalized as cars and vehicles >>with long wheelbases are generalized as light trucks."
I read the post wrong. 11,500 is reasonable but I don't think it's
all that usual to drive 31.5 miles each day. How many drive more than
500mi once a year? That's the point.
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 05:34:38 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 00:30:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:Not a drier or stove outlet - a stadard Nema 5-15 plug.
On 1/3/2022 2:22 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >>>>> related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to get >>>>> back home.
Where are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
At one of the 500,000 stations Shell is putting in. Or the 7-11 as they >>>are putting them in.
There are 15 stations at 4 locations within 8 miles of me.
You don't recharge with a lamp cord but you do recharge with an
extension cord and a dryer or stove outlet.
I'm not jumping in the middle of this discussion, but I was curious about >>> that stat. According to this .gov page, the average annual miles driven by >>> the "light truck/van" category is 11,543.
https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10309
"Vehicles with short wheelbases (<121") are generalized as cars and vehicles
with long wheelbases are generalized as light trucks."
I read the post wrong. 11,500 is reasonable but I don't think it's
all that usual to drive 31.5 miles each day. How many drive more than
500mi once a year? That's the point.
Is it really? A point, that is? How many people _do_ drive more than
350 or 400 miles in a single leg? (Mercedes just announced an e-car with 700 mile range, by the way).
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 11:29:05 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
You don't recharge with a lamp cord but you do recharge with anNot a drier or stove outlet - a stadard Nema 5-15 plug.
extension cord and a dryer or stove outlet.
Good luck charging a Tesla on 110V. It can be done, but you're going
to be waiting a very long time.
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 05:34:38 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 00:30:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 2:22 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >>>> related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to get >>>> back home.
Where are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
At one of the 500,000 stations Shell is putting in. Or the 7-11 as they >>are putting them in.
There are 15 stations at 4 locations within 8 miles of me.
You don't recharge with a lamp cord but you do recharge with anNot a drier or stove outlet - a stadard Nema 5-15 plug.
extension cord and a dryer or stove outlet.
On 1/4/2022 8:04 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 2:22:12 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 13:02:03 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:11 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:A puckup is the perfect vehicle for the beach or the kid's. Beach
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>>>> distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range >>>> of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >>>> day?
Not often but with that range you don't take it on a long trip. And you >>> may consider a truck not being a good vacation vehicle but a truck that >>> costs that much should be more comfortable on long trips. My wife and I >>> would much rather take our upper end F150 on vacation than her upper end >>> Camry.
chairs, umbrellas, and coolers for the beach and a bed-load of tools
for the kid's.
With or without Brandon paying a chunk of it?
I think that the electrics might be better to use when range doubles,
can be recharged in about the time it takes to fill a tank of gasoline, >>> and or if only using it as a city commuter.
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >>> related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to getWhere are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
back home.
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
I pretty sure that all EV's are capable of Level 1 charging, i.e. 120V.
I think that that is is the basic charger that comes with all EV.
I think.My daughter was given a Chevy Bolt as a loaner when her car was in the
dealer for a few days. Yes, a 120V extension will charge it but it
takes longer. She charged it once in the four or five days she had it.
On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 10:41:19 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/4/2022 8:04 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 2:22:12 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:My daughter was given a Chevy Bolt as a loaner when her car was in the
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 13:02:03 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:11 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:A puckup is the perfect vehicle for the beach or the kid's. Beach
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >> >>>>>
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >> >>>>>> distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range >> >>>> of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >> >>>> day?
Not often but with that range you don't take it on a long trip. And you >> >>> may consider a truck not being a good vacation vehicle but a truck that >> >>> costs that much should be more comfortable on long trips. My wife and I >> >>> would much rather take our upper end F150 on vacation than her upper end >> >>> Camry.
chairs, umbrellas, and coolers for the beach and a bed-load of tools
for the kid's.
With or without Brandon paying a chunk of it?
I think that the electrics might be better to use when range doubles,
can be recharged in about the time it takes to fill a tank of gasoline, >> >>> and or if only using it as a city commuter.
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >> >>> related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to getWhere are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
back home.
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
I pretty sure that all EV's are capable of Level 1 charging, i.e. 120V.
I think that that is is the basic charger that comes with all EV.
I think.
dealer for a few days. Yes, a 120V extension will charge it but it
takes longer. She charged it once in the four or five days she had it.
Yes, I know it takes longer. I was responding to krw 3 questions and >statement. Basically, yes, you can charge it with a lamp cord.
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, >>>> forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:08:56 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 10:50 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Amazing that it has not concerted over to Maypop status. Maypop any time.
Funny how many people have tire troubles on he road. How old areI always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history.
their tires? Are the tires the right tires for the application and of
good quality???.What are they hitting? Are they not watching where
they are driving? Or do thy just not care???
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:53:25 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:46, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 20:30:19 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 9:48, Puckdropper wrote:
Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
Puckdropper
Well, I'm probably a fair deal younger than most here (in my 20's). If >>>> I had a garage, I'd love to have one of those "monsters".
I have an old sears compressor, no tank, that was used for some kind of >>>> power spray tool. It will inflate a tire to almost exactly 40 PSI, so I >>>> use that for car tires until you can hear the machine spitting out the >>>> excess PSI at its limit.
I have a couple of cheap, small, crappy pan-cake style "noise makers". >>>> A decent air compressor is in my future, at some point. One that isn't >>>> too heavy to haul up and down the cellar steps, due to my no garage
situation.
There's nothing really wrong with pancake compressors. They're not
good for painting but they'll run any air tools that you're likely to
use. I've had one for 15-20 years. I have another in my garage that is
just a pancake compressor with elephantiasis. I think it's a 225psi
15gal so it has plenty of air storage but its recovery time is
abysmal. I intend to plumb it into the basement so the noise stays in
the garage. You could do the opposite but you may run into a freezing
problem. With a little thought that shouldn't be too hard to avoid.
True, nothing wrong with pancake compressors. The two that I have are
far smaller than 15 gallons, one is a Walmart brand. Those ones are
garbage, in specific. That was a regretted purchase from a few years ago.
Aren't they all made in the same factory, deep in China? I think mine
is a Porter-Cable that came with three nail guns (brad, 16ga(?), and
narrow crown stapler) for $200. It can't be much better than a Wally
World.
On 1/3/2022 12:06, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:53:25 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net>Â wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:46, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 20:30:19 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net>Â Â wrote:
On 1/2/2022 9:48, Puckdropper wrote:
Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net>Â Â Â wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for >>>>>>>> that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice
thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and
beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
Puckdropper
Well, I'm probably a fair deal younger than most here (in my
20's). If
I had a garage, I'd love to have one of those "monsters".
I have an old sears compressor, no tank, that was used for some
kind of
power spray tool. It will inflate a tire to almost exactly 40 PSI, >>>>> so I
use that for car tires until you can hear the machine spitting out the >>>>> excess PSI at its limit.
I have a couple of cheap, small, crappy pan-cake style "noise makers". >>>>> A decent air compressor is in my future, at some point. One that
isn't
too heavy to haul up and down the cellar steps, due to my no garage
situation.
There's nothing really wrong with pancake compressors. They're not
good for painting but they'll run any air tools that you're likely to
use. I've had one for 15-20 years. I have another in my garage that is >>>> just a pancake compressor with elephantiasis. I think it's a 225psi
15gal so it has plenty of air storage but its recovery time is
abysmal. I intend to plumb it into the basement so the noise stays in
the garage. You could do the opposite but you may run into a freezing >>>> problem. With a little thought that shouldn't be too hard to avoid.
True, nothing wrong with pancake compressors. The two that I have are
far smaller than 15 gallons, one is a Walmart brand. Those ones are
garbage, in specific. That was a regretted purchase from a few years
ago.
Aren't they all made in the same factory, deep in China? I think mine
is a Porter-Cable that came with three nail guns (brad, 16ga(?), and
narrow crown stapler) for $200. It can't be much better than a Wally
World.
Probably. It might work better if it didn't kick on all of the time
with air tools, due to the small tank size. Next one will be powerful enough for a roofing nailer, at least.
On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 11:29:09 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 05:34:38 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 00:30:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:Not a drier or stove outlet - a stadard Nema 5-15 plug.
On 1/3/2022 2:22 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work >>>>>> related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to get >>>>>> back home.
Where are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a
charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
At one of the 500,000 stations Shell is putting in. Or the 7-11 as they >>>> are putting them in.
There are 15 stations at 4 locations within 8 miles of me.
You don't recharge with a lamp cord but you do recharge with an
extension cord and a dryer or stove outlet.
I know a guy that owns an Airbnb in Vegas. He was thinking of putting
a 50 amp receptacle in his garage so he could add "EV friendly" to his listing. He just needed to get around to doing it.
One day some guy from CA contacts him and says "I like your place. Can
I charge my Tesla there?"
Airbnb guy: "You know, I've been thinking about setting that up, just
haven't done it yet."
CA guy: "If you can promise you'll have it in by (some date) I'll book
your place for a month."
Airbnb guy: "What color would you like the receptacle to be?"
CA guy laughed and booked his place - for a month. Cha-Ching!
On 1/3/2022 12:06, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:53:25 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:46, krw@notreal.com wrote:Aren't they all made in the same factory, deep in China? I think mine
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 20:30:19 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 9:48, Puckdropper wrote:
Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
Puckdropper
Well, I'm probably a fair deal younger than most here (in my 20's). If >>>>> I had a garage, I'd love to have one of those "monsters".
I have an old sears compressor, no tank, that was used for some kind of >>>>> power spray tool. It will inflate a tire to almost exactly 40 PSI, so I >>>>> use that for car tires until you can hear the machine spitting out the >>>>> excess PSI at its limit.
I have a couple of cheap, small, crappy pan-cake style "noise makers". >>>>> A decent air compressor is in my future, at some point. One that isn't >>>>> too heavy to haul up and down the cellar steps, due to my no garage
situation.
There's nothing really wrong with pancake compressors. They're not
good for painting but they'll run any air tools that you're likely to
use. I've had one for 15-20 years. I have another in my garage that is >>>> just a pancake compressor with elephantiasis. I think it's a 225psi
15gal so it has plenty of air storage but its recovery time is
abysmal. I intend to plumb it into the basement so the noise stays in
the garage. You could do the opposite but you may run into a freezing >>>> problem. With a little thought that shouldn't be too hard to avoid.
True, nothing wrong with pancake compressors. The two that I have are
far smaller than 15 gallons, one is a Walmart brand. Those ones are
garbage, in specific. That was a regretted purchase from a few years ago. >>
is a Porter-Cable that came with three nail guns (brad, 16ga(?), and
narrow crown stapler) for $200. It can't be much better than a Wally
World.
Probably. It might work better if it didn't kick on all of the time
with air tools, due to the small tank size. Next one will be powerful
enough for a roofing nailer, at least.
On 1/4/2022 11:06 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:06, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:53:25 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:46, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 20:30:19 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 9:48, Puckdropper wrote:
Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for >>>>>>>>> that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200
gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice >>>>>>> thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and >>>>>>> beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
Puckdropper
Well, I'm probably a fair deal younger than most here (in my
20's). If
I had a garage, I'd love to have one of those "monsters".
I have an old sears compressor, no tank, that was used for some
kind of
power spray tool. It will inflate a tire to almost exactly 40
PSI, so I
use that for car tires until you can hear the machine spitting out >>>>>> the
excess PSI at its limit.
I have a couple of cheap, small, crappy pan-cake style "noise
makers".
A decent air compressor is in my future, at some point. One that
isn't
too heavy to haul up and down the cellar steps, due to my no garage >>>>>> situation.
There's nothing really wrong with pancake compressors. They're not
good for painting but they'll run any air tools that you're likely to >>>>> use. I've had one for 15-20 years. I have another in my garage that is >>>>> just a pancake compressor with elephantiasis. I think it's a 225psi >>>>> 15gal so it has plenty of air storage but its recovery time is
abysmal. I intend to plumb it into the basement so the noise stays in >>>>> the garage. You could do the opposite but you may run into a freezing >>>>> problem. With a little thought that shouldn't be too hard to avoid.
True, nothing wrong with pancake compressors. The two that I have are >>>> far smaller than 15 gallons, one is a Walmart brand. Those ones are
garbage, in specific. That was a regretted purchase from a few
years ago.
Aren't they all made in the same factory, deep in China? I think mine
is a Porter-Cable that came with three nail guns (brad, 16ga(?), and
narrow crown stapler) for $200. It can't be much better than a Wally
World.
Probably. It might work better if it didn't kick on all of the time
with air tools, due to the small tank size. Next one will be powerful
enough for a roofing nailer, at least.
Soo roofing nailers do not use much air. If you buy one that is only big enough for a nail gun it will likely run all of the time for other tools.
Look for something that will handle impact drivers or a paint gun.
Four trips a year. Day one 800 miles, day two 350 miles. Same on
return.
Right now that would be a PITA for an EV but give it a few years. The technology for a 5 minute charge exists, they just have to make it
practical.
All my other travel is under 30 miles. Today I drove 8 miles.
Probably. It might work better if it didn't kick on all of the time
with air tools, due to the small tank size. Next one will be powerful
enough for a roofing nailer, at least.
On 1/4/2022 7:12 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 11:29:09 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 05:34:38 -0500, J. Clarke
<jclarke...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 00:30:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote: >>>Not a drier or stove outlet - a stadard Nema 5-15 plug.
On 1/3/2022 2:22 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
And considering that if you have to go from one city to another for work
related travel, especially in Texas, you will have to recharge to get >>>>>> back home.
Where are you going to recharge? At the customer's? Do they have a >>>>> charging station? You're not going to do it with a lamp cord.
At one of the 500,000 stations Shell is putting in. Or the 7-11 as they >>>> are putting them in.
There are 15 stations at 4 locations within 8 miles of me.
You don't recharge with a lamp cord but you do recharge with an
extension cord and a dryer or stove outlet.
I know a guy that owns an Airbnb in Vegas. He was thinking of putting
a 50 amp receptacle in his garage so he could add "EV friendly" to his listing. He just needed to get around to doing it.
One day some guy from CA contacts him and says "I like your place. Can
I charge my Tesla there?"
Airbnb guy: "You know, I've been thinking about setting that up, just haven't done it yet."
CA guy: "If you can promise you'll have it in by (some date) I'll book
your place for a month."
Airbnb guy: "What color would you like the receptacle to be?"
CA guy laughed and booked his place - for a month. Cha-Ching!Cha-Ching except for the cost of the set up and some type of way to
charge for the electricity.
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote in
news:3U2BJ.257184$aF1.256178@fx98.iad:
Four trips a year. Day one 800 miles, day two 350 miles. Same on
return.
Right now that would be a PITA for an EV but give it a few years. The
technology for a 5 minute charge exists, they just have to make it
practical.
All my other travel is under 30 miles. Today I drove 8 miles.
I had heard about technology that would drop a battery pack from a car
then put a new one in. Kinda like Propane exchange. The advantage to
the owner, at least, is that the battery packs get renewed somewhat >regularly. The disadvantage is that it's someone else's battery (have
you ever seen a dying battery report 100% and be dead in 10 minutes of
use?) and you might get a bad one.
With the right platform, the swap could be accomplished easily within the >amount of time it takes to fuel a car.
On 1/5/2022 10:05, Leon wrote:
On 1/4/2022 11:06 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:06, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:53:25 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net>Â wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:46, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 20:30:19 -0500, Michael TrewTrue, nothing wrong with pancake compressors. The two that I have are >>>>> far smaller than 15 gallons, one is a Walmart brand. Those ones are >>>>> garbage, in specific. That was a regretted purchase from a few
<michael.trew@att.net>Â Â wrote:
On 1/2/2022 9:48, Puckdropper wrote:
Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net>Â Â Â wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, krw@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for >>>>>>>>>> that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 >>>>>>>> gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice >>>>>>>> thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and >>>>>>>> beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
Puckdropper
Well, I'm probably a fair deal younger than most here (in my
20's). If
I had a garage, I'd love to have one of those "monsters".
I have an old sears compressor, no tank, that was used for some
kind of
power spray tool. It will inflate a tire to almost exactly 40
PSI, so I
use that for car tires until you can hear the machine spitting out >>>>>>> the
excess PSI at its limit.
I have a couple of cheap, small, crappy pan-cake style "noise
makers".
A decent air compressor is in my future, at some point. One that >>>>>>> isn't
too heavy to haul up and down the cellar steps, due to my no garage >>>>>>> situation.
There's nothing really wrong with pancake compressors. They're not >>>>>> good for painting but they'll run any air tools that you're likely to >>>>>> use. I've had one for 15-20 years. I have another in my garage
that is
just a pancake compressor with elephantiasis. I think it's a 225psi >>>>>> 15gal so it has plenty of air storage but its recovery time is
abysmal. I intend to plumb it into the basement so the noise stays in >>>>>> the garage. You could do the opposite but you may run into a
freezing
problem. With a little thought that shouldn't be too hard to avoid. >>>>>
years ago.
Aren't they all made in the same factory, deep in China? I think mine
is a Porter-Cable that came with three nail guns (brad, 16ga(?), and
narrow crown stapler) for $200. It can't be much better than a Wally
World.
Probably. It might work better if it didn't kick on all of the time
with air tools, due to the small tank size. Next one will be powerful
enough for a roofing nailer, at least.
Soo roofing nailers do not use much air. If you buy one that is only big
enough for a nail gun it will likely run all of the time for other tools.
Look for something that will handle impact drivers or a paint gun.
Good point; I've never owned an impact gun. That would be nice for car repairs.
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote in
news:3U2BJ.257184$aF1.256178@fx98.iad:
Four trips a year. Day one 800 miles, day two 350 miles. Same on
return.
Right now that would be a PITA for an EV but give it a few years. The
technology for a 5 minute charge exists, they just have to make it
practical.
All my other travel is under 30 miles. Today I drove 8 miles.
I had heard about technology that would drop a battery pack from a car
then put a new one in. Kinda like Propane exchange. The advantage to
the owner, at least, is that the battery packs get renewed somewhat >regularly. The disadvantage is that it's someone else's battery (have
you ever seen a dying battery report 100% and be dead in 10 minutes of
use?) and you might get a bad one.
With the right platform, the swap could be accomplished easily within the >amount of time it takes to fuel a car.
On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 20:02:46 GMT, Puckdropper <email@example.com>
wrote:
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote in
news:3U2BJ.257184$aF1.256178@fx98.iad:
Four trips a year. Day one 800 miles, day two 350 miles. Same on
return.
Right now that would be a PITA for an EV but give it a few years. The
technology for a 5 minute charge exists, they just have to make it
practical.
All my other travel is under 30 miles. Today I drove 8 miles.
I had heard about technology that would drop a battery pack from a car
then put a new one in. Kinda like Propane exchange. The advantage to
the owner, at least, is that the battery packs get renewed somewhat
regularly. The disadvantage is that it's someone else's battery (have
you ever seen a dying battery report 100% and be dead in 10 minutes of
use?) and you might get a bad one.
With the right platform, the swap could be accomplished easily within the
amount of time it takes to fuel a car.
The battery pack is an integral part of the car. Removing it weakens
the structure. It's not for the average grease monkey. It's a matter
of weight.
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:30:07 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000Nonsense.
miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most
users who aren't you.
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:30:07 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
=20Nonsense.
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000=20
miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most=20
users who aren't you.
No, true. 1000 miles per month is 12,000 annual miles. Assuming 50 workin= >g weeks and Mon-Fri work week, that is 250 working days a year. 12,000 mil= >es divided by 250 days equals 48 miles per day of driving each work day. I= >'d guess most, majority, working people live 24 miles or less from their wo= >rk place. Round trip.
On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 20:02:46 GMT, Puckdropper <email@example.com>
wrote:
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote in
news:3U2BJ.257184$aF1.256178@fx98.iad:
Four trips a year. Day one 800 miles, day two 350 miles. Same on
return.
Right now that would be a PITA for an EV but give it a few years. The
technology for a 5 minute charge exists, they just have to make it
practical.
All my other travel is under 30 miles. Today I drove 8 miles.
I had heard about technology that would drop a battery pack from a car
then put a new one in. Kinda like Propane exchange. The advantage to
the owner, at least, is that the battery packs get renewed somewhat >>regularly. The disadvantage is that it's someone else's battery (have
you ever seen a dying battery report 100% and be dead in 10 minutes of >>use?) and you might get a bad one.
With the right platform, the swap could be accomplished easily within the >>amount of time it takes to fuel a car.
The battery pack is an integral part of the car. Removing it weakens
the structure. It's not for the average grease monkey. It's a matter
of weight.
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 20:02:46 GMT, Puckdropper <em...@example.com>
wrote:
Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in >>news:3U2BJ.257184$aF1.2...@fx98.iad:
Four trips a year. Day one 800 miles, day two 350 miles. Same on
return.
Right now that would be a PITA for an EV but give it a few years. The
technology for a 5 minute charge exists, they just have to make it
practical.
All my other travel is under 30 miles. Today I drove 8 miles.
I had heard about technology that would drop a battery pack from a car >>then put a new one in. Kinda like Propane exchange. The advantage to
the owner, at least, is that the battery packs get renewed somewhat >>regularly. The disadvantage is that it's someone else's battery (have
you ever seen a dying battery report 100% and be dead in 10 minutes of >>use?) and you might get a bad one.
With the right platform, the swap could be accomplished easily within the >>amount of time it takes to fuel a car.
The battery pack is an integral part of the car. Removing it weakensIt's an integral part of the chassis - which is shaped much like
the structure. It's not for the average grease monkey. It's a matter
of weight.
a motorized skateboard.
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off
one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 20:02:46 GMT, Puckdropper <email@example.com>
wrote:
Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote in >>>news:3U2BJ.257184$aF1.256178@fx98.iad:
Four trips a year. Day one 800 miles, day two 350 miles. Same on
return.
Right now that would be a PITA for an EV but give it a few years. The >>>> technology for a 5 minute charge exists, they just have to make it
practical.
All my other travel is under 30 miles. Today I drove 8 miles.
I had heard about technology that would drop a battery pack from a car >>>then put a new one in. Kinda like Propane exchange. The advantage to >>>the owner, at least, is that the battery packs get renewed somewhat >>>regularly. The disadvantage is that it's someone else's battery (have >>>you ever seen a dying battery report 100% and be dead in 10 minutes of >>>use?) and you might get a bad one.
With the right platform, the swap could be accomplished easily within the >>>amount of time it takes to fuel a car.
The battery pack is an integral part of the car. Removing it weakens
the structure. It's not for the average grease monkey. It's a matter
of weight.
It's an integral part of the chassis - which is shaped much like
a motorized skateboard.
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off
one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
k...@notreal.com writes:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 20:02:46 GMT, Puckdropper <em...@example.com>It's an integral part of the chassis - which is shaped much like
wrote:
Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in
news:3U2BJ.257184$aF1.2...@fx98.iad:
Four trips a year. Day one 800 miles, day two 350 miles. Same on
return.
Right now that would be a PITA for an EV but give it a few years. The
technology for a 5 minute charge exists, they just have to make it
practical.
All my other travel is under 30 miles. Today I drove 8 miles.
I had heard about technology that would drop a battery pack from a car
then put a new one in. Kinda like Propane exchange. The advantage to
the owner, at least, is that the battery packs get renewed somewhat
regularly. The disadvantage is that it's someone else's battery (have
you ever seen a dying battery report 100% and be dead in 10 minutes of
use?) and you might get a bad one.
With the right platform, the swap could be accomplished easily within the >> >>amount of time it takes to fuel a car.
The battery pack is an integral part of the car. Removing it weakens
the structure. It's not for the average grease monkey. It's a matter
of weight.
a motorized skateboard.
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off
one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to
replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
Are you changing the subject from replacing batteries to upgrading
the body for aesthetic reasons?
It's OK if you are, I'm just a bit confused by your comment.
"russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:30:07 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
=20Nonsense.
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000=20
miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most=20
users who aren't you.
No, true. 1000 miles per month is 12,000 annual miles. Assuming 50 workin= >>g weeks and Mon-Fri work week, that is 250 working days a year. 12,000 mil= >>es divided by 250 days equals 48 miles per day of driving each work day. I= >>'d guess most, majority, working people live 24 miles or less from their wo= >>rk place. Round trip.
Ford has telemetry from their commercial F-150 fleet.
They found that 95% of current, commercial F-150 customers go less than 175 miles per day.
On 1/6/2022 12:20 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:working people live 24 miles or less from their work place. Round trip.
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:30:07 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Nonsense.
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000
miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most
users who aren't you.
No, true. 1000 miles per month is 12,000 annual miles. Assuming 50 working weeks and Mon-Fri work week, that is 250 working days a year. 12,000 miles divided by 250 days equals 48 miles per day of driving each work day. I'd guess most, majority,
trucks. They are personal use vehicles only. Commuting to work each day. Going to the grocery store and back home. Going to the restaurant and back home. Personal driving. Not work driving.
And the vast majority of the pick up trucks sold in the USA are personal vehicles. Driving to work and to the stores and restaurants. Not work trucks used by employees while working. So the vast majority of pick up trucks in the USA are not work
Pretty dog gone big city in the USA. Looking on Google Maps it looks like Houston and ALL of its suburbs is about 50 miles by 50 miles. So if you lived on the very outermost suburb and commuted to downtown center of Houston, it would only be about 48-
How many people drive over 48 miles every single Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday of the year? A few do, yes. But the vast majority of people live somewhat close to where they work. Less than 24 miles away. Leon lives in Houston.
The Houston area probably has more trucks than cars and if I drove to
the other side of downtown that would be 30 miles. There are 8 homes
across the street from where I live. There are actually 10 pickups in
those driveways and 4 SUV's, no actual cars. I don't drive to work
and have driven almost 30K in 28 months... I wonder how many miles my >neighbors, that do drive to work drive each day, have on their vehicles.
FWIW I live in an unincorporated area of the Houston area, there are
many of those. In my particular case over 250,000 live in our area
alone. We represent 5~10% of the area around Houston. There are more
people living outside the city limits of Houston than in Houston.
This is pretty much the norm for most any large city in Texas.
So basically the 50+ mile per day is probably a conservative for the
majority of pick up truck drivers in this area of Texas.
away. 200-300 total miles on the weekend. But it was not every single weekend. Most of the soccer games were in town a few miles away. Only rarely did the daughter play in big games far away from home. Who spends their relaxing non working weekends
Yes, people make trips on weekends. But how many people make that big of trips on the weekend? I have a friend whose daughter was in soccer. She took the daughter to weekend tournaments and games a few times a year. 1-2-3 weekends. 100-150 miles
Good point; I've never owned an impact gun. That would be nice for
car repairs.
Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote in
news:sr4qd0$jih$1...@dont-email.me:
Good point; I've never owned an impact gun. That would be nice for
car repairs.
It might be worth checking out the electric ones. It seems like they've gotten more powerful the last decade or so, so air powered isn't
necessarily the best way to go.
Smaller ones are great for driving screws. I helped do a whole deck with a screw impact driver and 25 lbs of Torx head screws and I think we stripped maybe 6 heads.
Puckdropper
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off
one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to
replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 16:10:19 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
"russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:30:07 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
=20Nonsense.
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000=20 >>>> >miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most=20
users who aren't you.
No, true. 1000 miles per month is 12,000 annual miles. Assuming 50 workin= >>>g weeks and Mon-Fri work week, that is 250 working days a year. 12,000 mil= >>>es divided by 250 days equals 48 miles per day of driving each work day. I= >>>'d guess most, majority, working people live 24 miles or less from their wo= >>>rk place. Round trip.
Ford has telemetry from their commercial F-150 fleet.
They found that 95% of current, commercial F-150 customers go less than 175 miles per day.
That's average.
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 3:19:20 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, just
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off
one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to
replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
OK. That's what I thought. Not quite sure how many radically
different body styles can be bolted onto a single chassis style,
but I get your point.
"Not necessarily" doesn't imply anything about the additional
usefulness of (relatively) straightfordward battery swaps with
such a configuration.
That's where I see an issue. When I put on new shirt, I get to keep
wearing the same shoes.
If "body swapping as a means to replace the battery" becomes a
thing, what about the tires, brakes and suspension that I used to
have? Do I get to keep the set-up I'm used to, maybe even modified
from OEM? Assuming there are different packages (OEM or aftermarket) >available for EV's, will that same package be available when I need to
change batteries?
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, justI could see a future platform where you just lift the body off
one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to
replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
"Not necessarily" doesn't imply anything about the additional
usefulness of (relatively) straightfordward battery swaps with
such a configuration.
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 18:11:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>>> distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range
of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >>> day?
Working? The kid lives 1200 mi from here. The beach is 350mi. Disney
world is 450mi. A few places.
Well, your needs don't match the capabilities. Buy something that does
and stop your political posturing.
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000
miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most
users who aren't you.
If they replace your head, is it a brain transplant or a body
transplant. A distingtion with a difference.
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off
one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to
replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, just
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
"Not necessarily" doesn't imply anything about the additional
usefulness of (relatively) straightfordward battery swaps with
such a configuration.
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 16:10:19 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
"russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:30:07 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>> =20
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000=20 >>>>>> miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most=20 >>>>>> users who aren't you.Nonsense.
No, true. 1000 miles per month is 12,000 annual miles. Assuming 50 workin=
g weeks and Mon-Fri work week, that is 250 working days a year. 12,000 mil=
es divided by 250 days equals 48 miles per day of driving each work day. I=
'd guess most, majority, working people live 24 miles or less from their wo=
rk place. Round trip.
Ford has telemetry from their commercial F-150 fleet.
They found that 95% of current, commercial F-150 customers go less than 175 miles per day.
That's average.
No, the quote from Ford said 95% never go over 175 miles per day,
can't you read? The did not say _average_ anything.
That's why they chose 230-300mi range for the new F-150 Lightning.
On 1/6/2022 2:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off
one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to
replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, just
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
Novel Idea!
But the creature comforts are pretty costly.
On 1/6/2022 2:16 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 16:10:19 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
"russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:30:07 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>> =20
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000=20 >>>>>>> miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most=20 >>>>>>> users who aren't you.Nonsense.
No, true. 1000 miles per month is 12,000 annual miles. Assuming 50 workin=
g weeks and Mon-Fri work week, that is 250 working days a year. 12,000 mil=
es divided by 250 days equals 48 miles per day of driving each work day. I=
'd guess most, majority, working people live 24 miles or less from their wo=
rk place. Round trip.
Ford has telemetry from their commercial F-150 fleet.
They found that 95% of current, commercial F-150 customers go less than 175 miles per day.
That's average.
No, the quote from Ford said 95% never go over 175 miles per day,
can't you read? The did not say _average_ anything.
That's why they chose 230-300mi range for the new F-150 Lightning.
I have to think that never over 175 miles per day may mean over 170
miles per day. AND IMHO that would be a lot of driving for an average.
DerbyDad03 <teamarrows@eznet.net> writes:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 3:19:20 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, just
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off
one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to
replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
OK. That's what I thought. Not quite sure how many radically
different body styles can be bolted onto a single chassis style,
but I get your point.
"Not necessarily" doesn't imply anything about the additional
usefulness of (relatively) straightfordward battery swaps with
such a configuration.
That's where I see an issue. When I put on new shirt, I get to keep
wearing the same shoes.
If "body swapping as a means to replace the battery" becomes a
thing, what about the tires, brakes and suspension that I used to
have? Do I get to keep the set-up I'm used to, maybe even modified
from OEM? Assuming there are different packages (OEM or aftermarket) >>available for EV's, will that same package be available when I need to >>change batteries?
https://www.motortrend.com/news/zero-labs-launches-modular-electric-platform-classic-cars/
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 16:10:19 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>wrote:
"russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:30:07 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>> >=20
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000=20 >>>>> >miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most=20 >>>>> >users who aren't you.Nonsense.
No, true. 1000 miles per month is 12,000 annual miles. Assuming 50 workin=
g weeks and Mon-Fri work week, that is 250 working days a year. 12,000 mil=
es divided by 250 days equals 48 miles per day of driving each work day. I=
'd guess most, majority, working people live 24 miles or less from their wo=
rk place. Round trip.
Ford has telemetry from their commercial F-150 fleet.
They found that 95% of current, commercial F-150 customers go less than 175 miles per day.
That's average.
No, the quote from Ford said 95% never go over 175 miles per day,
can't you read? The did not say _average_ anything.
That's why they chose 230-300mi range for the new F-150 Lightning.
On 1/6/2022 2:16 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 16:10:19 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
"russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:30:07 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) >>>>>>> =20
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000=20 >>>>>>> miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most=20 >>>>>>> users who aren't you.Nonsense.
No, true. 1000 miles per month is 12,000 annual miles. Assuming 50 workin=
g weeks and Mon-Fri work week, that is 250 working days a year. 12,000 mil=
es divided by 250 days equals 48 miles per day of driving each work day. I=
'd guess most, majority, working people live 24 miles or less from their wo=
rk place. Round trip.
Ford has telemetry from their commercial F-150 fleet.
They found that 95% of current, commercial F-150 customers go less than 175 miles per day.
That's average.
No, the quote from Ford said 95% never go over 175 miles per day,
can't you read? The did not say _average_ anything.
That's why they chose 230-300mi range for the new F-150 Lightning.
I have to think that never over 175 miles per day may mean over 170
miles per day. AND IMHO that would be a lot of driving for an average.
I think the focus will be on fleet vehicles that are normally at the
bottom of the trim levels. And the profit is marginal on those vehicles >compared to higher trim levels purchased by individuals.
My thinking is that Ford will need to improve range to be able to sell
higher trim levels.
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off
one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to
replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, just
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
"Not necessarily" doesn't imply anything about the additional
usefulness of (relatively) straightfordward battery swaps with
such a configuration.
On 1/3/2022 2:30 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 18:11:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
krw@notreal.com writes:
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 11:11:16 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>
Those limited range electric trucks may never be further than walking >>>>>> distance from a tire store. ;~)
LOL! Maybe dualies front and back?
The Rivian R1S (saw one drive past a couple of weeks ago) have a range >>>> of 300+ miles. How often do you drive more than 300 miles in a working >>>> day?
Working? The kid lives 1200 mi from here. The beach is 350mi. Disney
world is 450mi. A few places.
Well, your needs don't match the capabilities. Buy something that does
and stop your political posturing.
The average light truck in the United States is driven less a 1000
miles a month, which means they'll have sufficient range for most
users who aren't you.
So I am not going to look those figures up but lets use the average
usage as being only 1000 miles per month.
Assuming to work and back 5 days a week that is approximately 50 miles
per day.
Now that is average so there will be much less and much more. In
smaller communities most likely less. I do not live in any city but do
live near and west of Houston. I do not drive to work at all. I am >averaging about 1000 per month in our truck.
So given that info you can probably deduct that I go on trips in-excess
of the average miles mentioned above.
So today,,,,
IMHO EV's are good for city commuters but if you need to travel over 100 >miles to another city all bets are off. Seldom do you simply drive to
that city and not drive more miles.
EV's are not a good option for vacation travel.
Some hotels offer EV chargers but more do not that I have noticed.
When on vacation my wife and I normally drive 600 miles per day before
it gets dark. I am not certain that would be possible in an EV today.
I suspect getting to our destination with a new EV would take twice as
many days and nights in a hotel.
Tomorrow?
Hopefully the range will increase. I believe as range increases and
people actually take limited time vacations hotels will be more likely
to offer charging stations.
And then,,,
And as time goes on the length of travel will decrease as the batteries age.
I am hopeful that the "new" battery range will triple to be and stay >competitive with the ranges offered by gasoline or diesel. My truck
gets about 21 mpg on the highway. That is a legit 21 mpg vs. the gas
mileage shown by the Ford mpg computer. Gas mileage is typically
overstated by a minimum of 10%.
With 21 MPG and a 36 gallon tank we can almost go from Houston to El
Paso Texas on a tank. Or Brownsville Texas to Amarillo Texas.
On another note Chevrolet has introduced their Silverado/Avalance style
EV pick up.
Range 400 miles. WT entry level pricing is supposed to be $39K. The
top of the line version $105K. Will have to wait till late next year,
2023, to see it at dealerships.
And I thought going from the XL trim to King Ranch trim level was bad at >about $30K difference. There is less difference but ours had $15K more >options on top of the King Ranch trim. So stripped to our truck there
was a $40K difference before the deal was made.
But Chevrolet is asking for 2.5 times more going from basic to top. At
this point the range is the same for both extremes.
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, >>>>> forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972 >>>> in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way >>>> flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler, >blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, >>>>>> forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles. >>>>>>
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968 >>>> bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back >>>>> about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972 >>>>> in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way >>>>> flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many >>>> times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On very long >>road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler, >>blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
When on vacation my wife and I normally drive 600 miles per day before
it gets dark. I am not certain that would be possible in an EV today.
I suspect getting to our destination with a new EV would take twice as
many days and nights in a hotel.
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 1:52:22 PM UTC-5, Puckdropper wrote:
Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote in
news:sr4qd0$jih$1...@dont-email.me:
Good point; I've never owned an impact gun. That would be nice for
car repairs.
It might be worth checking out the electric ones. It seems like
they've gotten more powerful the last decade or so, so air powered
isn't necessarily the best way to go.
Smaller ones are great for driving screws. I helped do a whole deck
with a screw impact driver and 25 lbs of Torx head screws and I think
we stripped maybe 6 heads.
Puckdropper
Do you recall what brand you used?
I've dealt with deck screws that either don't want to start or excess
ceramic coating in the hole prevents the bit from seating completely.
When they don't want to start with an impact driver, you could burn
yourself trying to hold on while they spin at full speed. :-O
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>>>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>>>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even >>>>>>>> that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles. >>>>>>>
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie, >>>>> and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968 >>>>> bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel aThe last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back >>>>>> about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT >>>>>> Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972 >>>>>> in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way >>>>>> flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many >>>>> times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history. >>>>
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On very long >>> road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 1/6/2022 2:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off
one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to
replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, just
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
Novel Idea!
Not my idea, it's been around for a decade or more.
But the creature comforts are pretty costly.
On the other hand, here's a company actually doing it - albeit
for the classics:
https://www.zerolabs.com/
I like the Bronco they converted (in 24hrs).
I'm gonna ping my brother-in-law - he has a
66 'stang in a barn in the midwest.
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that >>>>>>>>>> matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon >>>>>>>> monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach >>>>>>>> balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward, >>>>>> forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles. >>>>>>
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968 >>>> bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back >>>>> about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972 >>>>> in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way >>>>> flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many >>>> times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even >>>>>>>> that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles. >>>>>>>
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie, >>>>> and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968 >>>>> bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel aThe last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back >>>>>> about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT >>>>>> Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972 >>>>>> in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way >>>>>> flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many >>>>> times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history. >>>>
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste >>>> space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On very long >>> road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a differentPossibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the year.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:rbGdnbTV5eMH_0r8nZ2dnUU7-IvNnZ2d@giganews.com:
When on vacation my wife and I normally drive 600 miles per day before
it gets dark. I am not certain that would be possible in an EV today.
I suspect getting to our destination with a new EV would take twice as
many days and nights in a hotel.
Just do what they do with airplanes... Add auxilary fuel tanks or another battery. ;-)
Who cares about the extra weight and room the thing needs, right?
Long trips are just something electric cars will probably never be good
at. Even if you did have a swappable battery, the battery has to stay
there for the hours it takes to charge.
Electric cars can be ideal city cars and even short-medium distance type cars. There's a saying when buying an airplane, "Buy one that fits the mission most of the time, rent one for the times it doesn't."
Puckdropper
Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote in >news:bpaftgljaiksfigmqh1hhuh47qts37e13f@4ax.com:You don't need to be "pulling Gs" for tires to be critical.I don't
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
By the time the tires are the only thing between you and your last breath, >the battle was lost long ago. You want your approach and technique to
never push those tires to the point where they'll let go.
Although it is fun to go around a curve and feel some G's.
Puckdropper
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even >>>>>>>>> that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles. >>>>>>>>
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply >>>>>> tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie, >>>>>> and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968 >>>>>> bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel aThe last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back >>>>>>> about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT >>>>>>> Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972 >>>>>>> in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way >>>>>>> flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many >>>>>> times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history. >>>>>
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste >>>>> space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I >>>>> wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On very long >>>> road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the year.
On 1/6/2022 4:46 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 1/6/2022 2:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off
one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to
replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, just
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
Novel Idea!
Not my idea, it's been around for a decade or more.
I know, I have heard of that idea in the past. Something similar that a
new leasing company was toying with a few years ago at a new car auto
show, the ability to have a vehicle lease and the ability to change
vehicles multiple times during the lease. Like renting but apparently
with the advantage of having a fixed and lower cost agreement.
But the creature comforts are pretty costly.
On the other hand, here's a company actually doing it - albeit
for the classics:
https://www.zerolabs.com/
Yes I have seen this before too, converting some models over to
electric. I don't think you could really go from say a converted Bronco
and then change your mind to then use that drive train go up under a
pick up or Corvette. ;~) BUT this is a cool Idea.
I like the Bronco they converted (in 24hrs).
I'm gonna ping my brother-in-law - he has a
66 'stang in a barn in the midwest.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:17:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 4:46 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:I'm not sure but I think a 'vette suspension is a little different
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 1/6/2022 2:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: >>>>>
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off >>>>>>>> one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to
replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, just
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
Novel Idea!
Not my idea, it's been around for a decade or more.
I know, I have heard of that idea in the past. Something similar that a
new leasing company was toying with a few years ago at a new car auto
show, the ability to have a vehicle lease and the ability to change
vehicles multiple times during the lease. Like renting but apparently
with the advantage of having a fixed and lower cost agreement.
But the creature comforts are pretty costly.
On the other hand, here's a company actually doing it - albeit
for the classics:
https://www.zerolabs.com/
Yes I have seen this before too, converting some models over to
electric. I don't think you could really go from say a converted Bronco
and then change your mind to then use that drive train go up under a
pick up or Corvette. ;~) BUT this is a cool Idea.
than a Bronco.
I like the Bronco they converted (in 24hrs).
I'm gonna ping my brother-in-law - he has a
66 'stang in a barn in the midwest.
On 1/7/2022 1:59 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:rbGdnbTV5eMH_0r8nZ2dnUU7-IvNnZ2d@giganews.com:
When on vacation my wife and I normally drive 600 miles per day before
it gets dark. I am not certain that would be possible in an EV today.
I suspect getting to our destination with a new EV would take twice as
many days and nights in a hotel.
Just do what they do with airplanes... Add auxilary fuel tanks or another
battery. ;-)
Who cares about the extra weight and room the thing needs, right?
Yeah! Maybe you will even be able to drive the vehicle considering the >weight capacity of the vehicle. LOL
Long trips are just something electric cars will probably never be good
at. Even if you did have a swappable battery, the battery has to stay
there for the hours it takes to charge.
I would not say never, they have made improvements that even I am
surprised about.
Electric cars can be ideal city cars and even short-medium distance type
cars. There's a saying when buying an airplane, "Buy one that fits the
mission most of the time, rent one for the times it doesn't."
Absolutely but you will need to get into the habbit of hooding up to the >charger at least every few days. AND that might be something you forget
to do a time or two given that "filling up" at home is something that is
not commonly done. You see a gas station now, with decent pricing, and
you look at your gas gauge. You ignore gas stations when you drive an EV.
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even >>>>>>>>> that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles. >>>>>>>>
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply >>>>>> tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie, >>>>>> and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968 >>>>>> bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel aThe last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back >>>>>>> about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT >>>>>>> Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972 >>>>>>> in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way >>>>>>> flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many >>>>>> times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history. >>>>>
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste >>>>> space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I >>>>> wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On very long >>>> road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much.
My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the year.
On 1/7/2022 3:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:17:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 4:46 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:I'm not sure but I think a 'vette suspension is a little different
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 1/6/2022 2:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off >>>>>>>>> one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to
replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body,
like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to >>>>>>>> replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, just
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
Novel Idea!
Not my idea, it's been around for a decade or more.
I know, I have heard of that idea in the past. Something similar that a >>> new leasing company was toying with a few years ago at a new car auto
show, the ability to have a vehicle lease and the ability to change
vehicles multiple times during the lease. Like renting but apparently
with the advantage of having a fixed and lower cost agreement.
But the creature comforts are pretty costly.
On the other hand, here's a company actually doing it - albeit
for the classics:
https://www.zerolabs.com/
Yes I have seen this before too, converting some models over to
electric. I don't think you could really go from say a converted Bronco >>> and then change your mind to then use that drive train go up under a
pick up or Corvette. ;~) BUT this is a cool Idea.
than a Bronco.
Absolutely and that goes for most any vehicle but I was addressing the
issue of keeping the battery/suspension and adding a new body/chassis
on top.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:10:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/7/2022 3:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:17:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 4:46 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:I'm not sure but I think a 'vette suspension is a little different
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 1/6/2022 2:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off >>>>>>>>>> one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to >>>>>>>>>> replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body, >>>>>>>>>> like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to >>>>>>>>> replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was
about) "but rather to to change the body".
Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, just
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
Novel Idea!
Not my idea, it's been around for a decade or more.
I know, I have heard of that idea in the past. Something similar that a >>>> new leasing company was toying with a few years ago at a new car auto
show, the ability to have a vehicle lease and the ability to change
vehicles multiple times during the lease. Like renting but apparently >>>> with the advantage of having a fixed and lower cost agreement.
But the creature comforts are pretty costly.
On the other hand, here's a company actually doing it - albeit
for the classics:
https://www.zerolabs.com/
Yes I have seen this before too, converting some models over to
electric. I don't think you could really go from say a converted Bronco >>>> and then change your mind to then use that drive train go up under a
pick up or Corvette. ;~) BUT this is a cool Idea.
than a Bronco.
Absolutely and that goes for most any vehicle but I was addressing the >>issue of keeping the battery/suspension and adding a new body/chassis
on top.
Hmmm. I think a Silverado club cab and a 'vette have a different
wheelbase too. The body is a little different, I think, so the
batteries probably wouldn't fit in the same space. I think there is a
little more engineering that needs to be done on this "idea".
On Fri, 07 Jan 2022 19:43:33 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:10:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/7/2022 3:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:17:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>
On 1/6/2022 4:46 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:I'm not sure but I think a 'vette suspension is a little different
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 1/6/2022 2:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off >>>>>>>>>>> one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to >>>>>>>>>>> replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body, >>>>>>>>>>> like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to >>>>>>>>>> replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was >>>>>>>>>> about) "but rather to to change the body".
Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, just
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
Novel Idea!
Not my idea, it's been around for a decade or more.
I know, I have heard of that idea in the past. Something similar that a >>>>> new leasing company was toying with a few years ago at a new car auto >>>>> show, the ability to have a vehicle lease and the ability to change
vehicles multiple times during the lease. Like renting but apparently >>>>> with the advantage of having a fixed and lower cost agreement.
But the creature comforts are pretty costly.
On the other hand, here's a company actually doing it - albeit
for the classics:
https://www.zerolabs.com/
Yes I have seen this before too, converting some models over to
electric. I don't think you could really go from say a converted Bronco >>>>> and then change your mind to then use that drive train go up under a >>>>> pick up or Corvette. ;~) BUT this is a cool Idea.
than a Bronco.
Absolutely and that goes for most any vehicle but I was addressing the
issue of keeping the battery/suspension and adding a new body/chassis
on top.
Hmmm. I think a Silverado club cab and a 'vette have a different
wheelbase too. The body is a little different, I think, so the
batteries probably wouldn't fit in the same space. I think there is a
little more engineering that needs to be done on this "idea".
GM has plans and is doing the engineering.
But then again many plans fail.
https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2021/12/21/gm-rolls-out-new-evs-with-ultium-platform-touts-it-as-foundation-for-all-electric-future/
On Fri, 07 Jan 2022 19:43:33 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 15:10:02 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/7/2022 3:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:17:55 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>
On 1/6/2022 4:46 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:I'm not sure but I think a 'vette suspension is a little different
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
On 1/6/2022 2:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 11:06:06 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
I could see a future platform where you just lift the body off >>>>>>>>>>> one platform and attach it to another - not necessarily to >>>>>>>>>>> replace the battery pack, but rather to to change the body, >>>>>>>>>>> like putting on a new shirt.
I'm just trying to understand your comment...
What would be the purpose of that? You said "not necessarily to >>>>>>>>>> replace the battery pack" (which is what the discussion was >>>>>>>>>> about) "but rather to to change the body".
Want a different body style? Don't buy a whole new car, just
change the body. Sporty? SUV? old-fashioned station wagon?
Novel Idea!
Not my idea, it's been around for a decade or more.
I know, I have heard of that idea in the past. Something similar that a >>>>> new leasing company was toying with a few years ago at a new car auto >>>>> show, the ability to have a vehicle lease and the ability to change
vehicles multiple times during the lease. Like renting but apparently >>>>> with the advantage of having a fixed and lower cost agreement.
But the creature comforts are pretty costly.
On the other hand, here's a company actually doing it - albeit
for the classics:
https://www.zerolabs.com/
Yes I have seen this before too, converting some models over to
electric. I don't think you could really go from say a converted Bronco >>>>> and then change your mind to then use that drive train go up under a >>>>> pick up or Corvette. ;~) BUT this is a cool Idea.
than a Bronco.
Absolutely and that goes for most any vehicle but I was addressing the >>>issue of keeping the battery/suspension and adding a new body/chassis
on top.
Hmmm. I think a Silverado club cab and a 'vette have a different
wheelbase too. The body is a little different, I think, so the
batteries probably wouldn't fit in the same space. I think there is a >>little more engineering that needs to be done on this "idea".
GM has plans and is doing the engineering.
But then again many plans fail.
https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2021/12/21/gm-rolls-out-new-evs-with-ultium-platform-touts-it-as-foundation-for-all-electric-future/
On Fri, 07 Jan 2022 08:10:07 GMT, Puckdropper <email@example.com>
wrote:
Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote inYou don't need to be "pulling Gs" for tires to be critical.I don't
news:bpaftgljaiksfigmqh1hhuh47qts37e13f@4ax.com:
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
By the time the tires are the only thing between you and your last breath, >> the battle was lost long ago. You want your approach and technique to
never push those tires to the point where they'll let go.
Although it is fun to go around a curve and feel some G's.
Puckdropper
want to be in the mddle of 14 lanes of traffic doing 140Kph and have a
tire fail. Not my idea of fun - and certainly not guaranteed to be surviveable. If the time ever comes that I have to even BEGIN to
question my tires, it'e time to get them off and get them replaced.
This fall when I put the snows on I looked at the old summer tires and
said "That's it -they are NOT going back on" and to make sure I didn't
back down come spring the rims went to the tire shop and had new
rubber installed, right away.
The driving I have done over the last 50 plus years has convinced me
- between transcontinental road trips (summer and winter), 3 years of competetive rallying, driving across Africa, andl ocal highway driving
on "the busyest highway in North America" - that tires are one thing
where I do NOT scrimp.
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward,
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car >>>>>>>>>> (Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even >>>>>>>>>> that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250. >>>>>>>>>
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles. >>>>>>>>>
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply >>>>>>> tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie, >>>>>>> and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968 >>>>>>> bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel aThe last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT >>>>>>>> Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972 >>>>>>>> in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder >>>>>>>> puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way >>>>>>>> flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many >>>>>>> times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history. >>>>>>
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste >>>>>> space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I >>>>>> wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On very long >>>>> road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and >>>> your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:Snow storms have nothing to do with it as I use SNOW TIRES in the
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down or inward,
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car >>>>>>>>>>> (Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even >>>>>>>>>>> that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250. >>>>>>>>>>
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my vehicles. >>>>>>>>>>
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply >>>>>>>> tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford Galaxie, >>>>>>>> and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, a 1968 >>>>>>>> bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air >>>>>>>> pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a >>>>>>> little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste >>>>>>> space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I >>>>>>> wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, theThe last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT >>>>>>>>> Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder >>>>>>>>> puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent history. >>>>>>>
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On very long >>>>>> road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and >>>>> your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the >>>> tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over >>> 6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the year. >> The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you. Only 7 years old, and 80% tread, if
the sidewall cracks weren't severe, I certainly would have kept going
with them personally for occasional use... unless you get into bad snow >storms.
On 1/6/2022 21:56, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you and
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On very long >>> road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
Depends on driving style. In most cases, I drive them until the tread
is getting thin. The 35 year old radials on a car, I very recently
learned, are NOT kosher for winter driving. Old rubber gets very hard.
I drove to work with no snow, and surprise... first accumulation of
the year was on the ground at 6 PM.
That old car was a literal sled on the way home, slid everywhere, scary >stuff. I made it home though. The tire industry usually recommends >replacing after 8 years. I usually get good tire life several years
after that, depending on tread depth.
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls.
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Â wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Â Â The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net>Â wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net>Â Â wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net>Â Â Â wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5,
k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down >>>>>>>>>> or inward,
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net>Â Â Â wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those >>>>>>>>>>>> 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a >>>>>>>>>>>> nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires >>>>>>>>>>>> and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car >>>>>>>>>>> (Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even >>>>>>>>>>> that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250. >>>>>>>>>>
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The >>>>>>>>>> spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and >>>>>>>>>> middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I >>>>>>>>>> can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that >>>>>>>>>> have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply >>>>>>>> tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, >>>>>>>> a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air >>>>>>>> pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
     The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 >>>>>>>>> Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT >>>>>>>>> Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and
christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder >>>>>>>>> puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all >>>>>>>>> the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall >>>>>>>> too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a >>>>>>> little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste >>>>>>> space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I >>>>>>> wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
   With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you >>>>> and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the >>>> tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over >>> 6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5,
k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down >>>>>>>>>>> or inward,
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those >>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>> nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires >>>>>>>>>>>>> and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car >>>>>>>>>>>> (Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even >>>>>>>>>>>> that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250. >>>>>>>>>>>
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The >>>>>>>>>>> spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and >>>>>>>>>>> middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I >>>>>>>>>>> can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that >>>>>>>>>>> have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply >>>>>>>>> tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford >>>>>>>>> Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, >>>>>>>>> a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air >>>>>>>>> pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 >>>>>>>>>> Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT >>>>>>>>>> Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and
christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder >>>>>>>>>> puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all >>>>>>>>>> the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall >>>>>>>>> too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent >>>>>>>>> history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a >>>>>>>> little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste >>>>>>>> space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I >>>>>>>> wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a >>>>> can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you >>>>>> and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread >>>>> >from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with >>>>>> about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different >>>>> size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the >>>>> tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over >>>> 6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net> writes:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls.
I have. You'd be amazed at what air pollution (e.g. ozone) can do
to rubber over 6 or 7 years.
Snow storms have nothing to do with it as I use SNOW TIRES in the
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you. Only 7 years old, and 80% tread, if
the sidewall cracks weren't severe, I certainly would have kept going
with them personally for occasional use... unless you get into bad snow
storms.
winter. Cracking USUALLY is related to rubber compound deterioration
- getting hard - or less flexible. Hard tires are no good in rain
either - and when I'm doing over 75MPH down the busiest highway in
Noth America in the rain I am NOT taking chances on tires. If I lose traction, or loose air, in the middle of 7 lanes going in one
direction at 70MPH I'm not coming out of it unscathed. I can ALMOST
guarantee that!!!!!
Each set of tires and rims for my truck costs more than I paid for
the truck (235/70 16 Nokian Hakkepellitta snows and Nokian One summers (replacing michelin Advantage) The tires on the Kia are a smaller
fraction of the vehicle cost cue to the car being newer - (but are
more expensive being 235-60-19 and 235-65 -18 tires)
Like I said - the crackers were Michelins - I've had too many
Michelin and BFG tires crack so am now runnining Nokians
On 1/9/2022 12:19 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
Snow storms have nothing to do with it as I use SNOW TIRES in the
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you. Only 7 years old, and 80% tread, if >>> the sidewall cracks weren't severe, I certainly would have kept going
with them personally for occasional use... unless you get into bad snow
storms.
winter. Cracking USUALLY is related to rubber compound deterioration
- getting hard - or less flexible. Hard tires are no good in rain
either - and when I'm doing over 75MPH down the busiest highway in
Noth America in the rain I am NOT taking chances on tires. If I lose
traction, or loose air, in the middle of 7 lanes going in one
direction at 70MPH I'm not coming out of it unscathed. I can ALMOST
guarantee that!!!!!
Each set of tires and rims for my truck costs more than I paid for
the truck (235/70 16 Nokian Hakkepellitta snows and Nokian One summers
(replacing michelin Advantage) The tires on the Kia are a smaller
fraction of the vehicle cost cue to the car being newer - (but are
more expensive being 235-60-19 and 235-65 -18 tires)
Like I said - the crackers were Michelins - I've had too many
Michelin and BFG tires crack so am now runnining Nokians
Never heard of Nokian but a few cars ago my local trusted tire dealer in
CT recommended them. I got the WRG3 and it is a year round tire with a
real snow rating. Put them on the next car too. Good performance.
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Â wrote: >>>>
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:  The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26 >>>> years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The >>>> tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net>Â wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net>Â Â wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net>Â Â Â wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5,
k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down >>>>>>>>>>>> or inward,
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net>Â Â Â wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even >>>>>>>>>>>>> that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250. >>>>>>>>>>>>
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The >>>>>>>>>>>> spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and >>>>>>>>>>>> middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I >>>>>>>>>>>> can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that >>>>>>>>>>>> have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply >>>>>>>>>> tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford >>>>>>>>>> Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, >>>>>>>>>> a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air >>>>>>>>>> pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
     The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 >>>>>>>>>>> Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT >>>>>>>>>>> Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and
christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder >>>>>>>>>>> puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all >>>>>>>>>>> the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall >>>>>>>>>> too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent >>>>>>>>>> history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a >>>>>>>>> little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste >>>>>>>>> space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I >>>>>>>>> wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the >>>>>>>>> batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On >>>>>>>> very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler, >>>>>>>> blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a >>>>>> can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
   With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you >>>>>>> and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners. >>>>>>>
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread >>>>>> >from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with >>>>>>> about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different >>>>>> size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the >>>>>> tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The >>>>> vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were >>>> on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I
ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of longevity.
On 1/9/2022 11:41, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net>Â writes:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Â Â wrote: >>
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were >>>> on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls.
I have. You'd be amazed at what air pollution (e.g. ozone) can do
to rubber over 6 or 7 years.
Perhaps that depends on locality then? I live in a rural area.
On 1/10/2022 10:51 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/9/2022 11:41, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Michael Trew<michael.trew@att.net>Â writes:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Â Â wrote: >>>
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were >>>>> on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a >>>>> uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls.
I have. You'd be amazed at what air pollution (e.g. ozone) can do
to rubber over 6 or 7 years.
Perhaps that depends on locality then? I live in a rural area.
Sunlight too if left out doors all the time. I had checking issues on
one side of my truck, and that was after only 3~4 years.
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:26:28 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Current numbers indicate a 10-40% drop in range in the winter - as much because
the batteries need to be warmed up than the use of the heater. Although keeping
the interior in the low 60's and wearing a coat and using the seat-heaters helps.
Also depends on the technology - heat pump vs. resistance heat.
Red herring. Heat pumps aren't going to work in a Minnesota winter. I
heat with a heat pump. It switches to resistive heat at about 40F.
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 6:55:00 PM UTC-8, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:26:28 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Current numbers indicate a 10-40% drop in range in the winter - as much because
the batteries need to be warmed up than the use of the heater. Although keeping
the interior in the low 60's and wearing a coat and using the seat-heaters helps.
Also depends on the technology - heat pump vs. resistance heat.
Red herring. Heat pumps aren't going to work in a Minnesota winter. I
heat with a heat pump. It switches to resistive heat at about 40F.
Not the heat pump to use in Minnesota in winter, then; there's a variety of >working fluids and your fluid (not the heat pump principle) is what
sets the 40F threshold.
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 6:55:00 PM UTC-8, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:26:28 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Current numbers indicate a 10-40% drop in range in the winter - as much because
the batteries need to be warmed up than the use of the heater. Although keeping
the interior in the low 60's and wearing a coat and using the seat-heaters helps.
Also depends on the technology - heat pump vs. resistance heat.
Red herring. Heat pumps aren't going to work in a Minnesota winter. I
heat with a heat pump. It switches to resistive heat at about 40F.
Not the heat pump to use in Minnesota in winter, then; there's a variety of >working fluids and your fluid (not the heat pump principle) is what
sets the 40F threshold.
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26 >>>>> years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The >>>>> tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5,
k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down >>>>>>>>>>>>> or inward,
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The >>>>>>>>>>>>> spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and >>>>>>>>>>>>> middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I >>>>>>>>>>>>> can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that >>>>>>>>>>>>> have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply >>>>>>>>>>> tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford >>>>>>>>>>> Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, >>>>>>>>>>> a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air >>>>>>>>>>> pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 >>>>>>>>>>>> Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT >>>>>>>>>>>> Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder >>>>>>>>>>>> puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all >>>>>>>>>>>> the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall >>>>>>>>>>> too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent >>>>>>>>>>> history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a >>>>>>>>>> little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste >>>>>>>>>> space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I >>>>>>>>>> wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the >>>>>>>>>> batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On >>>>>>>>> very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler, >>>>>>>>> blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a >>>>>>> can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you >>>>>>>> and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners. >>>>>>>>
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread >>>>>>> >from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with >>>>>>>> about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different >>>>>>> size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the >>>>>>> tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The >>>>>> vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over >>>>>> 6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the >>>>>> year.
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were >>>>> on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a >>>>> uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect >>> and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin, >>> same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good
adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to >Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the >manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire >store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I
ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge, >considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:13:21 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 6:55:00 PM UTC-8, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 20:26:28 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
Current numbers indicate a 10-40% drop in range in the winter - as much because
the batteries need to be warmed up than the use of the heater. Although keeping
the interior in the low 60's and wearing a coat and using the seat-heaters helps.
Also depends on the technology - heat pump vs. resistance heat.
Red herring. Heat pumps aren't going to work in a Minnesota winter. I
heat with a heat pump. It switches to resistive heat at about 40F.
Not the heat pump to use in Minnesota in winter, then; there's a variety of >>working fluids and your fluid (not the heat pump principle) is what
sets the 40F threshold.
A distinction without a difference. There are only so many fluids
allowed, particularly in automotive.
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Â wrote: >>>>>>
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Â Â The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael TrewAs I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a >>>>>>>> can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
<michael.trew@att.net>Â wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net>Â Â wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net>Â Â Â wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5,
k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or inward,
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net>Â Â Â wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford >>>>>>>>>>>> Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, >>>>>>>>>>>> a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air >>>>>>>>>>>> pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
     The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder >>>>>>>>>>>>> puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all >>>>>>>>>>>>> the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall >>>>>>>>>>>> too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent >>>>>>>>>>>> history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a >>>>>>>>>>> little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the >>>>>>>>>>> batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On >>>>>>>>>> very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler, >>>>>>>>>> blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>
   With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners. >>>>>>>>>
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread >>>>>>>> >from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with >>>>>>>>> about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different >>>>>>>> size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The >>>>>>> vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the >>>>>>> year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The >>>>>> tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the >>>>>> sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the >>>>>> year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were >>>>>> on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a >>>>>> uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely >>>>>> about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not >>>>> buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect >>>> and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin, >>>> same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good
adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I
ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful.
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26 >>>>>>> years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The >>>>>>> tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the >>>>>>> sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the >>>>>>> year amd plain old age.
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael TrewAs I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a >>>>>>>>> can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5,
k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or inward,
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>> Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, >>>>>>>>>>>>> a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air >>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder >>>>>>>>>>>>>> puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall >>>>>>>>>>>>> too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent >>>>>>>>>>>>> history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a >>>>>>>>>>>> little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the >>>>>>>>>>>> batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On >>>>>>>>>>> very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler, >>>>>>>>>>> blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners. >>>>>>>>>>
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread >>>>>>>>> >from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with >>>>>>>>>> about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different >>>>>>>>> size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The >>>>>>>> vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the >>>>>>>> year.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were >>>>>>> on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a >>>>>>> uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely >>>>>>> about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not >>>>>> buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect >>>>> and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with >>>>> Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin, >>>>> same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good
adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire >>> store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I
ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge, >>> considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful.
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should
have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price, >>>>> often at the same time, was a better deal.
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Â wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Â Â The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael TrewAs I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a >>>>>>>>>> can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
<michael.trew@att.net>Â wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net>Â Â wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net>Â Â Â wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or inward,
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net>Â Â Â wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
     The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>> history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a >>>>>>>>>>>>> little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the >>>>>>>>>>>>> batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On >>>>>>>>>>>> very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler, >>>>>>>>>>>> blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>>
   With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners. >>>>>>>>>>>
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread >>>>>>>>>> >from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with >>>>>>>>>>> about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different >>>>>>>>>> size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The >>>>>>>>> vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the >>>>>>>>> year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the >>>>>>>> sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the >>>>>>>> year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a >>>>>>>> uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely >>>>>>>> about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not >>>>>>> buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect >>>>>> and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with >>>>>> Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin, >>>>>> same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again. >>>>>
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to >>>> be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be >>>> less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing >>>> well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good
adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to >>>> Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the >>>> manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire >>>> store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread >>>> depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I
ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge, >>>> considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear >>>> out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful.
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should
have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a
higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire
quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough
tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application.
There were 3 diferent "Tiger Paw Touring" tires available to fit our Taurus. The cheap ones didn't stand up worth squat - and were out od
round before they ware out. The expensive oned had good traction and
rife but wore out quite quickly (like a "track tire"). The middle
priced ones stood up very well, with more than adequate traction,
treadwear, ride, and handling. The only spec that differed between
them was the "speed rating" - and of course, the price!!!!
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26 >>>>>>> years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The >>>>>>> tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the >>>>>>> sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the >>>>>>> year amd plain old age.
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael TrewAs I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a >>>>>>>>> can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5,
k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or inward,
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>> Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, >>>>>>>>>>>>> a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air >>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder >>>>>>>>>>>>>> puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall >>>>>>>>>>>>> too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent >>>>>>>>>>>>> history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a >>>>>>>>>>>> little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the >>>>>>>>>>>> batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On >>>>>>>>>>> very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler, >>>>>>>>>>> blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners. >>>>>>>>>>
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread >>>>>>>>> >from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with >>>>>>>>>> about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different >>>>>>>>> size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The >>>>>>>> vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the >>>>>>>> year.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were >>>>>>> on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a >>>>>>> uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely >>>>>>> about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not >>>>>> buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect >>>>> and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with >>>>> Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin, >>>>> same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good
adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire >>> store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I
ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge, >>> considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful.
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should
have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>>
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price, >>>>>> often at the same time, was a better deal.
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael TrewAs I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or inward,
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 gallon
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On >>>>>>>>>>>>> very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler, >>>>>>>>>>>>> blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>>>
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners. >>>>>>>>>>>>
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The >>>>>>>>>> vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the >>>>>>>>>> year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the >>>>>>>>> sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the >>>>>>>>> year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a >>>>>>>>> uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely >>>>>>>>> about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not >>>>>>>> buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with >>>>>>> Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again. >>>>>>
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to >>>>> be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be >>>>> less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing >>>>> well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good
adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to >>>>> Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the >>>>> manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire >>>>> store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread >>>>> depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2 >>>>> were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were >>>>> about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four >>>>> and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I
ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of >>>>>> longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge, >>>>> considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber >>>>> was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that >>>>> issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear >>>>> out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only >>>> went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful.
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should
have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a
higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire
quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough
tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application.
FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that
the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for >adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire >wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally
shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is
cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating.
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the >inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven
wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the
width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and
worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the
excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That
said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to
uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of >adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as >mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership
service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >exception.
There were 3 diferent "Tiger Paw Touring" tires available to fit our
Taurus. The cheap ones didn't stand up worth squat - and were out od
round before they ware out. The expensive oned had good traction and
rife but wore out quite quickly (like a "track tire"). The middle
priced ones stood up very well, with more than adequate traction,
treadwear, ride, and handling. The only spec that differed between
them was the "speed rating" - and of course, the price!!!!
That would be an observation. As I have mentioned previously all brands
have issues at some time or another. Even the same exact tire and size
can have different issues.
Recaping I had 3 sets of Michelin tires on my Tundra. All the same >name/style and spec's and same size.
The first 2 sets were adjusted and replaced for different reasons. The
first set had side wall checking/cracking
The mileage expectancy was
indicating longer than the 70K warranty. The second set simply wore out
long before half the 70K mileage warranty was reached. The first and
seconds sets were identical except for manufacture date. What was not >identical between the exact same named and sized tires was the rubber
make up to make the tires last long on the first set and the rubber make
up on the second to combat the checking issues, that simply wore out.
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price, >>>>>>> often at the same time, was a better deal.
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Â wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Â Â The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael TrewAs I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
<michael.trew@att.net>Â wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net>Â Â wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net>Â Â Â wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net>Â Â Â wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 200 gallon
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
     The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
   With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the >>>>>>>>>>> year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the >>>>>>>>>> sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the >>>>>>>>>> year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a >>>>>>>>>> uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely >>>>>>>>>> about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with >>>>>>>> Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again. >>>>>>>
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to >>>>>> be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be >>>>>> less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing >>>>>> well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good
adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to >>>>>> Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the >>>>>> manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire >>>>>> store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread >>>>>> depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2 >>>>>> were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were >>>>>> about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four >>>>>> and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of >>>>>>> longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge, >>>>>> considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber >>>>>> was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that >>>>>> issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear >>>>>> out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only >>>>> went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful.
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average >>>> tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should
have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and >>>> fill them in.
even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a
higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire
quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough
tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application.
FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that
the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage
should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for
adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire
wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is
normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not
rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally
shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is
cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating.
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the
inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven
wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal
replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the
width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and
worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the
excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That
said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to
uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of
adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as
mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership
service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the
exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong
tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
There were 3 diferent "Tiger Paw Touring" tires available to fit our
Taurus. The cheap ones didn't stand up worth squat - and were out od
round before they ware out. The expensive oned had good traction and
rife but wore out quite quickly (like a "track tire"). The middle
priced ones stood up very well, with more than adequate traction,
treadwear, ride, and handling. The only spec that differed between
them was the "speed rating" - and of course, the price!!!!
That would be an observation. As I have mentioned previously all brands
have issues at some time or another. Even the same exact tire and size
can have different issues.
Yes = particu;arly when there are 3 (or more) tires with the same manufacturer, brand, model and subtypes made to different price
points.
Recaping I had 3 sets of Michelin tires on my Tundra. All the same
name/style and spec's and same size.
The first 2 sets were adjusted and replaced for different reasons. The
first set had side wall checking/cracking
An extremely common issue on Michelins - and Michelin says it's from
not adequately "exercizing" the tire - not "pumping" the plasticisers
through the rubber edequately (on lightly loaded and low mileage
tires)
With tires over 6 years old there is virtually no "adjustment" left regaedless of tread wear. I think I'f have gotten $15 each towards
list price replacement
They were Defenser LTX 109T? 235/70 16s replacing original
195-70r16 96T rated rubber.
The mileage expectancy was
indicating longer than the 70K warranty. The second set simply wore out
long before half the 70K mileage warranty was reached. The first and
seconds sets were identical except for manufacture date. What was not
identical between the exact same named and sized tires was the rubber
make up to make the tires last long on the first set and the rubber make
up on the second to combat the checking issues, that simply wore out.
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's. I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor. The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Bob
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price, >>>>>>>> often at the same time, was a better deal.
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael TrewAs I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
<michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the >>>>>>>>>>> sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the >>>>>>>>>>> year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely >>>>>>>>>>> about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with >>>>>>>>> Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again. >>>>>>>>
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to >>>>>>> be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be >>>>>>> less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing >>>>>>> well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good
adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to >>>>>>> Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the >>>>>>> manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread >>>>>>> depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2 >>>>>>> were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were >>>>>>> about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four >>>>>>> and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of >>>>>>>> longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber >>>>>>> was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that >>>>>>> issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear >>>>>>> out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only >>>>>> went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average >>>>> tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and >>>>> fill them in.
even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a
higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire
quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough
tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application.
FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that
the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage
should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for >>> adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire >>> wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is
normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not
rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally
shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is
cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating.
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the
inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven
wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal
replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the
width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and
worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the
excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That
said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to
uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of
adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as >>> mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and >>> not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership
service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the
exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong
tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents
when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in >Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead
end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at
the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the
parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be
the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain
that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on >automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and
I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I >sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 8:35:56 AM UTC-6, Bob Davis wrote:Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's. I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor. The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. It's an oil lubed cast iron workhorse.
high words "Made in USA" prominently embedded in the cast iron compressor body. The new compressor is basically all chinese.. The new compressor seems heavier. It weighs 155lb. It runs extemely smooth.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7 >>
Bob
Ahem! getting back on the original topic of air compressors...
My new compressor arrived. It is almost a clone of my original compressor. The motor is bigger and rated higher HP. Its 3.7 HP and 17 amps vs the original 3 HP and 15 amps. The intake air filter is significantly bigger. The old compressor had inch-
So I ran a comparison test between the two, knowing the old has significant wear. I had to reassure myself that it wasn't just a gut feel. I blocked off the outlets on both compressors, emptied the tanks, and timed how long it to to bring the 20gallon tanks up to cutoff pressure (135 PSI). The old compressor took 4:15. The new compressor took 1:45. Yep there is a difference. I hope the new one lasts 10 years.
Bob
On 1/14/2022 21:20, Bob Davis wrote:workhorse. Maybe technology has marched and there is something better, so I seek opinions.
On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 8:35:56 AM UTC-6, Bob Davis wrote:
My ever faithful air compressor is finally getting tired. I've had it since the mid-70's. I am thinking about getting the exact same compressor. The design has been around at least 50 years and they still make it. It's an oil lubed cast iron
high words "Made in USA" prominently embedded in the cast iron compressor body. The new compressor is basically all chinese.. The new compressor seems heavier. It weighs 155lb. It runs extemely smooth.
Here is my current compressor:
https://www.grainger.com/product/SPEEDAIRE-Portable-Air-Compressor-Oil-1NNF7
Bob
Ahem! getting back on the original topic of air compressors...
My new compressor arrived. It is almost a clone of my original compressor. The motor is bigger and rated higher HP. Its 3.7 HP and 17 amps vs the original 3 HP and 15 amps. The intake air filter is significantly bigger. The old compressor had inch-
gallon tanks up to cutoff pressure (135 PSI). The old compressor took 4:15. The new compressor took 1:45. Yep there is a difference. I hope the new one lasts 10 years.So I ran a comparison test between the two, knowing the old has significant wear. I had to reassure myself that it wasn't just a gut feel. I blocked off the outlets on both compressors, emptied the tanks, and timed how long it to to bring the 20
BobGlad it's working out for you; I'd gladly take the old one off your
hands if you were local... Lol
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for >>>> adjustment pricing.
wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price, >>>>>>>>> often at the same time, was a better deal.
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>Â wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Â Â The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net>Â wrote:As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net>Â Â wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net>Â Â Â wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net>Â Â Â wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What about bicycle tires?
     The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
   With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely >>>>>>>>>>>> about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with >>>>>>>>>> Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again. >>>>>>>>>
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be >>>>>>>> less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing >>>>>>>> well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread >>>>>>>> depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2 >>>>>>>> were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were >>>>>>>> about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four >>>>>>>> and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of >>>>>>>>> longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber >>>>>>>> was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that >>>>>>>> issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear >>>>>>>> out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only >>>>>>> went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average >>>>>> tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and >>>>>> fill them in.
higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire
quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough
tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >>>>
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire >>>> wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is
normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally
shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is
cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating.
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the >>>> inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven
wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal
replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the
excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to
uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of
adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as >>>> mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and >>>> not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership
service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong
tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents
when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in
Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead
end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at
the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the
parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be
the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I
retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the
service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain
that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on
automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and
I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many
installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus
myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >>>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >>>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for >>>>> adjustment pricing.
wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:What about bicycle tires?
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:Bicycle tires are designed to never be used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for thatMe, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again. >>>>>>>>>>
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2 >>>>>>>>> were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were >>>>>>>>> about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four >>>>>>>>> and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of >>>>>>>>>> longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber >>>>>>>>> was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that >>>>>>>>> issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only >>>>>>>> went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average >>>>>>> tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >>>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and >>>>>>> fill them in.
higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >>>>>
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire >>>>> wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >>>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is
cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating.
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the >>>>> inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >>>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >>>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the
excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >>>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to
uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of
adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as >>>>> mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and >>>>> not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong
tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents
when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in
Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead
end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the
parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be
the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I
retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on
automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus
myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service >manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a >weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in >Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >>>>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >>>>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for >>>>>> adjustment pricing.
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >>>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a >>>>>>> higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >>>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >>>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >>>>>>
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
What about bicycle tires?
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:Bicycle tires are designed to never be used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for thatMe, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >>>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good. >>>>>>>>>>
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were >>>>>>>>>> about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of >>>>>>>>>>> longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average >>>>>>>> tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be >>>>>>>> adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >>>>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and >>>>>>>> fill them in.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire >>>>>> wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >>>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >>>>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >>>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is >>>>>> cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating. >>>>>>
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the >>>>>> inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >>>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >>>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >>>>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >>>>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the >>>>>> excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >>>>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to >>>>>> uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of >>>>>> adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as >>>>>> mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and >>>>>> not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >>>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >>>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong >>>>> tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents >>>> when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in
Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead >>>> end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >>>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the >>>> parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be >>>> the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >>>> retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >>>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >>>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on
automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >>>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >>>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus
myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service >>manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a >>weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in >>Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
My wife is something like his third cousin, a fact that she doesn't >appreciate being spread around. ;-)
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 18:19:54 -0500, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >>>>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >>>>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >>>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a >>>>>>> higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >>>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >>>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >>>>>>
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<cl...@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
What about bicycle tires?
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:Bicycle tires are designed to never be used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for thatMe, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
SWMBO appreciates it very much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >>>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good. >>>>>>>>>>
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be >>>>>>>> adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >>>>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire
wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >>>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >>>>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >>>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is >>>>>> cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating. >>>>>>
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the
inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >>>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >>>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >>>>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >>>>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the >>>>>> excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above >>>>>> mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >>>>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to >>>>>> uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of >>>>>> adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as
mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >>>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >>>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong >>>>> tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents >>>> when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in >>>> Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead >>>> end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened" >>>> Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >>>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the >>>> parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the >>>> parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be >>>> the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >>>> retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >>>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >>>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on >>>> automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >>>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >>>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus >>> myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service >>manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a >>weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in >>Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
My wife is something like his third cousin, a fact that she doesn't >appreciate being spread around. ;-)Say a lot about what Texans thought of him.
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>> wrote:FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >>>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >>>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a >>>>>> higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >>>>>
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<cl...@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
What about bicycle tires?
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:Bicycle tires are designed to never be used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for thatMe, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good. >>>>>>>>>
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were >>>>>>>>> about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be >>>>>>> adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >>>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and >>>>>>> fill them in.
adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire >>>>> wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >>>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is >>>>> cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating. >>>>>
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the >>>>> inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >>>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >>>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the
excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >>>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to >>>>> uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of >>>>> adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as >>>>> mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong >>>> tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents
when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in
Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead >>> end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the >>> parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be >>> the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >>> retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on
automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus
myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service >manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a >weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in >Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-)
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:42:54 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:19:58 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<cl...@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5,
k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or
anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and
christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >> >>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I
ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful.
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should
have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a >> >>>>>> higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >> >>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >> >>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application.
FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that
the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage
should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for
adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire
wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is
normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not
rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >> >>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is >> >>>>> cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating. >> >>>>>
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the
inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >> >>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >> >>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the
width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and
worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the
excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That
said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to >> >>>>> uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of >> >>>>> adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as
mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >> >>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the
exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong >> >>>> tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents >> >>> when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in >> >>> Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead
end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened" >> >>> Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at
the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the >> >>> parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the >> >>> parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be >> >>> the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >> >>> retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the
service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain
that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on >> >>> automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and
I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many
installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC / >> >> Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply >> >> teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at >> >> an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus >> >> myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service
manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a
weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in >> >Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
400 tires = ~100 people. Not sure that says anything except that a very, >very small percentage of Texans took advantage of their day off to getBut what was the book hours on tire change, split between how many
a good price on tires.
service techs, bet it was a good day all around other that 13 hours in
Texas heat in a garage.
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:19:58 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >> >>>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >> >>>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for
wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >> >>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<cl...@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5,
k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good
adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >> >>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >> >>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >> >>>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire
quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough
tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >> >>>>>
adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire
wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >> >>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >> >>>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >> >>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is
cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating.
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the
inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven
wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >> >>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >> >>>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >> >>>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the
excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >> >>>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to
uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of
adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as
mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >> >>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >> >>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong
tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents
when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in
Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead >> >>> end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >> >>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the >> >>> parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be >> >>> the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >> >>> retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >> >>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >> >>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on
automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >> >>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >> >>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus
myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service
manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a
weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in
Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
400 tires = ~100 people. Not sure that says anything except that a very,
very small percentage of Texans took advantage of their day off to get
a good price on tires.
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:19:58 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >> >>>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >> >>>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for
wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >> >>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<cl...@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5,
k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good
adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >> >>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >> >>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >> >>>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire
quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough
tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >> >>>>>
adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire
wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >> >>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >> >>>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >> >>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is
cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating.
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the
inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven
wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >> >>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >> >>>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >> >>>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the
excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >> >>>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to
uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of
adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as
mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >> >>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >> >>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong
tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents
when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in
Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead >> >>> end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >> >>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the >> >>> parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be >> >>> the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >> >>> retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >> >>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >> >>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on
automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >> >>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >> >>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus
myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service
manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a
weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in
Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
400 tires = ~100 people. Not sure that says anything except that a very,
very small percentage of Texans took advantage of their day off to get
a good price on tires.
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >>>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >>>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for >>>>> adjustment pricing.
wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:What about bicycle tires?
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:Bicycle tires are designed to never be used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for thatMe, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again. >>>>>>>>>>
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2 >>>>>>>>> were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were >>>>>>>>> about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four >>>>>>>>> and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of >>>>>>>>>> longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber >>>>>>>>> was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that >>>>>>>>> issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only >>>>>>>> went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average >>>>>>> tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >>>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and >>>>>>> fill them in.
higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >>>>>
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire >>>>> wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >>>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is
cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating.
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the >>>>> inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >>>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >>>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the
excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >>>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to
uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of
adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as >>>>> mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and >>>>> not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong
tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents
when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in
Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead
end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the
parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be
the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I
retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on
automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus
myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service >manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a >weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in >Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:No problem.Our little dealership did OK.
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >>>>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >>>>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for >>>>>> adjustment pricing.
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >>>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a >>>>>>> higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >>>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >>>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >>>>>>
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
What about bicycle tires?
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:Bicycle tires are designed to never be used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for thatMe, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >>>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good. >>>>>>>>>>
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were >>>>>>>>>> about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of >>>>>>>>>>> longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average >>>>>>>> tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be >>>>>>>> adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >>>>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and >>>>>>>> fill them in.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire >>>>>> wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >>>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >>>>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >>>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is >>>>>> cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating. >>>>>>
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the >>>>>> inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >>>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >>>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >>>>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >>>>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the >>>>>> excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >>>>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to >>>>>> uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of >>>>>> adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as >>>>>> mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and >>>>>> not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >>>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >>>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong >>>>> tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents >>>> when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in
Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead >>>> end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >>>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the >>>> parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be >>>> the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >>>> retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >>>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >>>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on
automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >>>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >>>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus
myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service >>manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a >>weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in >>Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
In the 10 years I was mamager we never had an absorption rate under
90% and were usually over 110,best year better than 130% - and our 3
year retention rate never dripped under 90% - the final couple years I
was running in excess of 123% . That means I was servicing 123 cars
for every 100 we sold 3 years down the road - I was servicing cars
sold in cambridge, Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Scarborough, >Whitby,Orangeville, even Ottawa - at least 3 times a year when they
were 3 years old.. Had to be doing SOMETHING right!!! If the
dealership didn't sell a single vehicle for the entire year the
profits from parts and service covered the entire operating expense
including management salaries and made a 30% profit on our best year.
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-5, Markem618 wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:42:54 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:19:58 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:But what was the book hours on tire change, split between how many
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >> >> >>>>>> wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<cl...@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5,
k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote:
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or
anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and
christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >> >> >>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good.
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I
ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful.
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be
adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should
have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a >> >> >>>>>> higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >> >> >>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >> >> >>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application.
FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that
the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage
should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for
adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire
wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is
normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not
rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally
shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is >> >> >>>>> cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating. >> >> >>>>>
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the
inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >> >> >>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal
replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the
width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and
worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the
excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That
said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to >> >> >>>>> uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of >> >> >>>>> adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as
mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership
service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the
exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong >> >> >>>> tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents >> >> >>> when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in >> >> >>> Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead
end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened" >> >> >>> Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at
the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the
parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the >> >> >>> parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new >> >> >>> Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be
the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I
retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the
service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain
that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction. >> >> >>> Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on >> >> >>> automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and
I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals >> >> >>> wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many
installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC / >> >> >> Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply >> >> >> teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then >> >> >> returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at >> >> >> an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10 >> >> >> years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus >> >> >> myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a >> >> >> consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years >> >> >> off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service
manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a >> >> >weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in >> >> >Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
400 tires = ~100 people. Not sure that says anything except that a very,
very small percentage of Texans took advantage of their day off to get
a good price on tires.
service techs, bet it was a good day all around other that 13 hours in
Texas heat in a garage.
What's that got to do with the previous comment?
What does 100 people buying tires say about what people thought
about Johnson? It would be quite a stretch to say that it says anything
from a political standpoint.
Tells me that it was a pretty good sale, timed correctly by the dealer.
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >>>>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >>>>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for >>>>>> adjustment pricing.
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >>>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a >>>>>>> higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >>>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >>>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >>>>>>
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Â Â The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net>Â wrote:As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net>Â Â wrote:
What about bicycle tires?
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net>Â Â Â wrote:Bicycle tires are designed to never be used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net>Â Â Â wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for thatMe, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
     The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
   With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >>>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good. >>>>>>>>>>
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were >>>>>>>>>> about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of >>>>>>>>>>> longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average >>>>>>>> tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be >>>>>>>> adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >>>>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and >>>>>>>> fill them in.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire >>>>>> wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >>>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >>>>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >>>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is >>>>>> cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating. >>>>>>
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the >>>>>> inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >>>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >>>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >>>>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >>>>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the >>>>>> excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >>>>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to >>>>>> uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of >>>>>> adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as >>>>>> mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and >>>>>> not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >>>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >>>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong >>>>> tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents >>>> when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in
Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead >>>> end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >>>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the >>>> parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be >>>> the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >>>> retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >>>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >>>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on
automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >>>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >>>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus
myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service
manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a
weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in
Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
My wife is something like his third cousin, a fact that she doesn't appreciate being spread around. ;-)
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 18:19:54 -0500, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >>>>>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >>>>>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >>>>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a >>>>>>>> higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >>>>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >>>>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >>>>>>>
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Â Â The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net>Â wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net>Â Â wrote:
What about bicycle tires?
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net>Â Â Â wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bicycle tires are designed to never be used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-plyOn Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net>Â Â Â wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for thatMe, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
SWMBO appreciates it very much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
     The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
   With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >>>>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good. >>>>>>>>>>>
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be >>>>>>>>> adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >>>>>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire
wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >>>>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >>>>>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >>>>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is >>>>>>> cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating. >>>>>>>
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the >>>>>>> inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >>>>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >>>>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >>>>>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >>>>>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the >>>>>>> excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above >>>>>>> mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >>>>>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to >>>>>>> uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of >>>>>>> adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as
mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >>>>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >>>>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong >>>>>> tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents >>>>> when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in >>>>> Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead >>>>> end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened" >>>>> Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >>>>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the >>>>> parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the >>>>> parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new >>>>> Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be >>>>> the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >>>>> retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >>>>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >>>>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on >>>>> automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >>>>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals >>>>> wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >>>>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus >>>> myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service
manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a
weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in >>> Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
My wife is something like his third cousin, a fact that she doesn't
appreciate being spread around. ;-)
Say a lot about what Texans thought of him.
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:42:54 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:19:58 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >>>>>>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >>>>>>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >>>>>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a >>>>>>>>> higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >>>>>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >>>>>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >>>>>>>>
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<cl...@snyder.on.ca>The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
What about bicycle tires?
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:Bicycle tires are designed to never be used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for thatMe, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
SWMBO appreciates it very much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >>>>>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good. >>>>>>>>>>>>
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~) >>>>>>>>>>>> If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be >>>>>>>>>> adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >>>>>>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire
wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >>>>>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >>>>>>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >>>>>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is >>>>>>>> cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating. >>>>>>>>
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the
inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >>>>>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >>>>>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >>>>>>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >>>>>>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the >>>>>>>> excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above >>>>>>>> mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >>>>>>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to >>>>>>>> uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of >>>>>>>> adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as
mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >>>>>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >>>>>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong >>>>>>> tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the >>>>>>> exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier >>>>>>
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents >>>>>> when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in >>>>>> Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead >>>>>> end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened" >>>>>> Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >>>>>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the >>>>>> parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the >>>>>> parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales >>>>>> manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new >>>>>> Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be >>>>>> the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >>>>>> retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >>>>>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >>>>>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction. >>>>>> Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on >>>>>> automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >>>>>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals >>>>>> wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >>>>>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC / >>>>> Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply >>>>> teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then >>>>> returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at >>>>> an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10 >>>>> years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus >>>>> myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a >>>>> consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years >>>>> off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service
manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a >>>> weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in >>>> Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
400 tires = ~100 people. Not sure that says anything except that a very,
very small percentage of Texans took advantage of their day off to get
a good price on tires.
But what was the book hours on tire change, split between how many
service techs, bet it was a good day all around other that 13 hours in
Texas heat in a garage.
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-5, Markem618 wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:42:54 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:19:58 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>But what was the book hours on tire change, split between how many
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>> wrote:Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I >>>>>>> worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice >>>>>>> Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents >>>>>>> when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in >>>>>>> Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead >>>>>>> end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >>>>>>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a >>>>>>>>>> higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >>>>>>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >>>>>>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application.
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<cl...@snyder.on.ca>The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
What about bicycle tires?
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:Bicycle tires are designed to never be used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, orMe, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
SWMBO appreciates it very much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and
christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >>>>>>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~) >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be >>>>>>>>>>> adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should
have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that
the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage
should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for
adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire
wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >>>>>>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not
rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >>>>>>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is >>>>>>>>> cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating. >>>>>>>>>
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the
inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >>>>>>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >>>>>>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the
width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and
worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the >>>>>>>>> excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above >>>>>>>>> mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That
said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to >>>>>>>>> uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of >>>>>>>>> adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as
mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >>>>>>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >>>>>>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership >>>>>>>> servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong >>>>>>>> tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the >>>>>>>> exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier >>>>>>>
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened" >>>>>>> Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >>>>>>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the >>>>>>> parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the >>>>>>> parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales >>>>>>> manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new >>>>>>> Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be >>>>>>> the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >>>>>>> retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >>>>>>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987 >>>>>>> probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >>>>>>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction. >>>>>>> Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on >>>>>>> automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >>>>>>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals >>>>>>> wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I >>>>>>> sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and >>>>>>> passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >>>>>>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm >>>>>> equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec >>>>>> '71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC / >>>>>> Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply >>>>>> teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then >>>>>> returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at >>>>>> an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10 >>>>>> years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus >>>>>> myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a >>>>>> consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years >>>>>> off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service >>>>> manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a >>>>> weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in >>>>> Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on >>>>> that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
400 tires = ~100 people. Not sure that says anything except that a very, >>> very small percentage of Texans took advantage of their day off to get
a good price on tires.
service techs, bet it was a good day all around other that 13 hours in
Texas heat in a garage.
What's that got to do with the previous comment?
What does 100 people buying tires say about what people thought
about Johnson? It would be quite a stretch to say that it says anything
from a political standpoint.
Tells me that it was a pretty good sale, timed correctly by the dealer.
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:No problem.Our little dealership did OK.
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>> wrote:FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that >>>>>> the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage >>>>>> should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for >>>>>> adjustment pricing.
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not >>>>>>> even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a >>>>>>> higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire >>>>>>> quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough >>>>>>> tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application. >>>>>>
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:Â Â The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net>Â wrote:As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
On 1/3/2022 12:00, krw@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.trew@att.net>Â Â wrote:
What about bicycle tires?
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <teamarrows@eznet.net>Â Â Â wrote:Bicycle tires are designed to never be used. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net>Â Â Â wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything for thatMe, but I might stand alone here... Lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For tires I have one of these:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
     The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
   With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good >>>>>>>>>> adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good. >>>>>>>>>>
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were >>>>>>>>>> about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I >>>>>>>>>>> ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of >>>>>>>>>>> longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful. >>>>>>>>
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average >>>>>>>> tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be >>>>>>>> adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should >>>>>>>> have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and >>>>>>>> fill them in.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire >>>>>> wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is >>>>>> normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not >>>>>> rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally >>>>>> shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is >>>>>> cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating. >>>>>>
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the >>>>>> inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven >>>>>> wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal >>>>>> replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the >>>>>> width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and >>>>>> worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the >>>>>> excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above
mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That >>>>>> said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to >>>>>> uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of >>>>>> adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as >>>>>> mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and >>>>>> not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership >>>>>> service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the >>>>>> exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong >>>>> tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the
exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier
Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice
Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents >>>> when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in
Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead >>>> end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at >>>> the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the >>>> parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales
manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be >>>> the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I >>>> retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the >>>> service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987
probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain >>>> that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on
automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and >>>> I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and
passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many >>>> installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm
equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec
'71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus
myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service
manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a
weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in
Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on
that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
In the 10 years I was mamager we never had an absorption rate under
90% and were usually over 110,best year better than 130% - and our 3
year retention rate never dripped under 90% - the final couple years I
was running in excess of 123% . That means I was servicing 123 cars
for every 100 we sold 3 years down the road - I was servicing cars
sold in cambridge, Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Scarborough, Whitby,Orangeville, even Ottawa - at least 3 times a year when they
were 3 years old.. Had to be doing SOMETHING right!!! If the
dealership didn't sell a single vehicle for the entire year the
profits from parts and service covered the entire operating expense
including management salaries and made a 30% profit on our best year.
Not bad in what was basically a 6 bay garage, and starting out as
service manager in the third year of operation with an apprentice and
a licenced mechanic and myself. (and a "lot boy")
It was big enough for a "working service manager" - I worked on the
bench with the mechanics - doing a lot of diagnostics as well as A/C
installs etc as well as major repairs (transmissions, cyl heads, etc).
- Can't do that in a Mega-Dealership.
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 18:34:36 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-5, Markem618 wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:42:54 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:19:58 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>But what was the book hours on tire change, split between how many
wrote:
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-)
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >> >> >>>> wrote:Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >> >> >>>>>> wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<cl...@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or
anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and
christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good
adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good. >> >> >>>>>>>>>
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I
ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful.
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be >> >> >>>>>>> adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should
have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a
higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire
quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough
tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application.
FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that
the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage
should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for
adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire
wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is
normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not
rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally
shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is
cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating.
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the
inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven
wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal
replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the
width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and
worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the >> >> >>>>> excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above >> >> >>>>> mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That
said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to
uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of
adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as
mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership
service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the
exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership
servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong
tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the >> >> >>>> exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier >> >> >>>
worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice >> >> >>> Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents
when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in
Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead
end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at
the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the
parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales >> >> >>> manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new >> >> >>> Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be
the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I
retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the
service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987 >> >> >>> probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain
that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction. >> >> >>> Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on
automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and
I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals >> >> >>> wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I
sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and >> >> >>> passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many
installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm >> >> >> equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec >> >> >> '71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then >> >> >> returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10 >> >> >> years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus
myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a >> >> >> consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years >> >> >> off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service >> >> >manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a >> >> >weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in
Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided
with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on >> >> >that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
400 tires = ~100 people. Not sure that says anything except that a very, >> >very small percentage of Texans took advantage of their day off to get
a good price on tires.
service techs, bet it was a good day all around other that 13 hours in
Texas heat in a garage.
What's that got to do with the previous comment?
What does 100 people buying tires say about what people thought
about Johnson? It would be quite a stretch to say that it says anything >from a political standpoint.
Tells me that it was a pretty good sale, timed correctly by the dealer.You are asking the wrong person about the political dump in the
newsgroup.
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:53:40 PM UTC-5, Markem618 wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 18:34:36 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-5, Markem618 wrote:You are asking the wrong person about the political dump in the
On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:42:54 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:19:58 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 13:33:42 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>But what was the book hours on tire change, split between how many
wrote:400 tires = ~100 people. Not sure that says anything except that a very, >> >> >very small percentage of Texans took advantage of their day off to get >> >> >a good price on tires.
On 1/15/2022 12:06 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:Does that say something about what people thought about Johnson? ;-) >> >> >
On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:01:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/13/2022 9:53 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:Started my apprenticeship in '68 - graduated high school in '69,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 15:28:14 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> >> >> >> >>>> wrote:Got me beat! LOL. I was only in the auto industry from 72 ~95. I >> >> >> >>> worked as a teenager at the company/tire store, Ameron Automotice >> >> >> >>> Centers in Corpus Christi, 2 years. Moved to Houston withe my parents
On 1/12/2022 2:45 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:54:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/11/2022 7:55 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:"premature wear" in not necessarilly uneven wear. IUn fact it is not
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:11:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
On 1/9/2022 4:07 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 15:21:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:28 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
On 1/7/2022 14:54, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 09:02:18 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
On 1/6/2022 9:12 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:The tires were SCRAPPED. Still have both vehicles. The truck is 26
On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 21:56:56 -0500, Clare Snyder<cl...@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:45 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/3/2022 12:00, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2022 11:50:51 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:
On 1/2/2022 21:24, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 14:49:08 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:33:44 PM UTC-5, >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2022 14:48:13 GMT, Puckdropper<em...@example.com>
wrote:
Michael Trew<michae...@att.net> wrote inFor tires I have one of these:
news:sqohqs$f27$7...@dont-email.me:
On 12/31/2021 16:59, k...@notreal.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How many of us are concerned about compressors, or
anything for that
matter, lasting 40 years? ;-)
Me, but I might stand alone here... Lol
A good compressor that's easy to move (so not one of those
200 gallon
monsters but also not a 1 1/2 gallon noise maker) would be a
nice thing to
pass down. Shoot, even if they just use it to inflate tires
and beach
balls, it would make their life that much easier.
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-ONE-18V-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Power-Inflator-Kit-with-1-5-Ah-Battery-and-18V-Charger-P737DKN/311788879>
SWMBO appreciates it very much.
I looked at her "spare" a while back. Since it is small car
(Mustang), I knew it had to have a bicycle tire. Nope. Not even
that. Under the trunk liner is a 12V compressor and a can of
compressed tire gunk. Nice. A bicycle tire is an extra $250.
Ever notice how all (?) spares are stored with the valve down
or inward,
forcing you to remove the spare it to check/fill it? The
spare in my Odyssey
is buried valve down under the carpet between the front and
middle row seats.
What a PITA to get it out.
I have one configuration or another of these in all of my
vehicles.
https://www.amazon.com/Hotop-Stainless-Extension-Braided-Extender/dp/B09BMWQQ3R
All of the spares in my vehicles look something like this so I
can check/top
them off without removing them.
https://i.imgur.com/6IHvl8M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nxJAKFf.jpg
I wouldn't be surprised if half the folks in this group (that
have spares) have
spares that are sitting at 45-50 PSI.
It's amazing how those tires hold up. Especially the old bias-ply
tires, to build on the post quoted below. I have a '68 Ford
Galaxie,
and it has the full size spare installed on the front tire now,
a 1968
bias-ply tire. I cannot believe that the thing still holds air
pressure. It's pretty well bald, however.
Bicycle tires are designed to never be used.
What about bicycle tires?
The last time I actually USED my spare was on my '63
Valiant back
about 1970. I ALMOST had to use it 3 times on one trip with the PT
Cruiser on my trip to PEI when 3 valve stems failed and
christmas 1972
in Montana or Idaho or Wyoming or wherever when I got a cinder
puncture - managed to find a tire repair guy before it got all
the way
flat.
I always keep a full sized spare when traveling. I can recall
too many
times that I needed it on a 1,000+ mile road trip, in recent
history.
A full-size tire would take up the entire trunk, making travel a
little difficult. Full-size truck spares work because there is waste
space under the bed. There is no wasted space in cars these days. I
wonder that the (useless) electric trucks will do. AFAIK, the
batteries take up that space.
I keep the full-size tire on rim behind the driver's seat. On
very long
road trips, the back seat it otherwise full of luggage, cooler,
blankets/pillows/air mattress/etc.
I've heard that some new cars don't even have a donut spare.
As I said earlier, my wife's Mustang came with a 12V tire pump and a
can of fix-a-flat. No spare of any kind.
With 4 little chunks of rubber being the only thing between you
and
your last breath, Tires are not where I am going to cut corners.
I just "decomissioned" a set of 7 year old michelins with 80% tread
from the Ranger, as well as a 5 or 6 year old set of Michelind with
about 40% tread from the Sorento.
What did you do with them? It seems that every car needs a different
size. Maybe I misunderstood. Do you still have the cars just that the
tires are too old to trust? Why 80%?
Possibly 2 reasons for thread being in good shape when retired. The
vehicle is not driven much. My wife's car falls in that catagory. Over
6 years old and plenty of tread.
Or the winter summer swap out and the tires were only used half the
year.
years old come april, with 376000Km on it and still going strong. The
tires were wearing VERY well - so still had 80+% tread left but the
sidewalls were cracking. Combination of low miles/only used haf the
year amd plain old age.
On the Kia I'm not sure how many miles were on the tires as they were
on the 5 year old vehicle when we bought it and they were NOT
original. If they were the second set and the miles were put on in a
uniform manner over the previous life of the car there were likely
about 80000km on them. The tread was getting thin and, being
Michelins, the sidewalls were also starting to crack.
I've never seen such new tires with cracking side walls. I would not
buy that brand again if I were you.
Brand has nothing to do with cracking on the sidewall. That is a defect
and every manufacturer puts out some duds. This happened to me with
Michelin LTX M/S.
Michelin authorized replacement at about 24K. The next set of Michelin,
same tire, wore out in less than 25K. They adjusted the set again.
At best they've pro-rated them, then charged full retail. Sale price,
often at the same time, was a better deal.
Yes, they always prorate from the retail price and if the tire needs to
be replaced, later in it's life, buying at the sale price can often be
less expensive. IIRC thse had a 70K mileage warranty and were wearing
well, other than the sidewall checking. So I got a pretty good
adjustment on replacements. The second set were worn out, according to
Discount Tire, and the pro-rated cost was also pretty good. >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
The trick is to bypass the retailer all together and go directly to the
manufacturers web site to get assistance. Once upon a time I ran a tire
store and learned a few tricks to get things done. ;~)
If you cal the manufacturer be sure to give them the specifics. Tread
depth and mileage and the issue.
In the last case DT said 2 tires qualified to be adjusted the other 2
were not. A call to Michelin indicating that the other 2 tires were
about 1/16" from qualifying. They authorized replacement of all four
and called my dealer to set that up.
At worst, they blamed it on me and refused to refund anything. I
ignore tire warranties, other than to use them as a (poor) gauge of
longevity.
Again, call/contact the manufacturer.
In Michelin's case the 70K mileage warranty was an extremely poor gauge,
considering they were just over 1/3 over the miles.
And I know these were a fluke/bad batch of tires. I think the rubber
was too hard causing the checking on the first set and to combat that
issue the softer rubber compound on the second set caused them to wear
out prematurely.
The problems I've generally had was premature wear. The 70K tire only
went 35-40K. The warranty was based on tread remaining. Wonderful.
If there is uneven wear the tire will be adjusted according to average
tread depth. If you took their word for how the tire should be >> >> >> >>>>>>> adjusted, premature wear compared to the actual warranty, you should
have talked to the manufacturer. They will contact the tire store and
fill them in.
even necessarilly "pre-mature" or "accellerated" - it is simply a
higher than expected rate of wear either due to conditions or tire
quality. Even accellerated wear is generally a sign of "not enough
tire" or "cheap tire" - - or simply "WRONG TIRE" for the application.
FWIW premature wear is typically a tire issue with the assumption that
the correct tire was used on the vehicle. In that instance the mileage
should be used, again assuming the that there is a mileage warranty, for
adjustment pricing.
Uneven wear is 99.9% of the time not the fault of the tire. If the tire
wears out premature due to uneven wear the average tread remaining is
normally used if this is authorized.
Uneven wear can be caused by many situations. Most often caused by not
rotating the tires regularly, every x amount of miles. This normally
shows up as excessive wear on the outside edge of the tread, and is
cause by leaving the front tires in place too long before rotating.
And under inflation can show up as uneven wear by excessive wear on the
inside and out side of the tread. Over inflation shows up as uneven
wear in the middle of the tire.
This was more of a problem prior to radial tires becoming the normal
replacement. This was an issue with biased ply tires.
And uneven wear can be seen as scallopes along the edges or across the
width of the tire. This is normally the result of unbalanced tires and
worn out shock absorbers/struts. If those items are worn out the >> >> >> >>>>> excessive bouncing can cause uneven wear spots.
Uneven wear can be caused by alignment problems.
Uneven wear is almost with out a doubt cause by one of the above >> >> >> >>>>> mentioned conditions.
Premature wear and uneven wear are 99% of th4e time not the same. That
said I don't know of a manufacturer that will adjust a tire due to
uneven wear. A lenient tire salesman will often offer some kind of
adjustment for premature wear if uneven wear is not exaggerated. And as
mentioned above they will adjust using an average of remaining tread and
not use mileage as a basis.
Having been in the tire business for 6 years and the auto dealership
service department business for 10 years the wrong sized tire was the
exception.
Over 26 years active in the business including 10 as dealership >> >> >> >>>> servive manager. It's not so much the wrong "size" tire as the wrong
tire eating - but under-spec / under-sized tires are far from the >> >> >> >>>> exception when you remember "for the application" as a quialifier >> >> >> >>>
when I was 19 and was asked to return to work for the same company in
Houston. 2 years later I was running one of their centers. I saw a dead
end and resigned to work at BF Goodrich for 8 months. Then was
approached at 22 to run the parts department for a "yet to be opened"
Olds Dealership in downtown Houston. Back to Corpus Christi to train at
the parent dealership. Trained in the body shop, asst manager, and the
parts department. 9 months later we opened the dealership, I was the
parts manager for 4 or so years and then promoted to service sales >> >> >> >>> manager for about 3 years. Then Parts director for the Olds and new
Isuzu franchise. That all took almost 10 years. Then a job offer to be
the GM for an AC/Delco/3M/Permatex dealer for about 8 years and then I
retired at 40. Whew!
And agreed, not so much the wrong size as the application. I was in the
service end of the business for 15 years and back then, 1972-1987 >> >> >> >>> probably 90% of the tires sold were for automobiles. I am quite certain
that percentage has changed more in the truck population direction.
Back then the tires that came on trucks were rarely different than on
automobiles. I know my 79 GMC had regular passenger car tires on it and
I upgraded to a truck type tire for replacements. BUT the originals
wore well as I drove the truck unloaded most of the time. When I >> >> >> >>> sold/mounted tires at the tire store passenger tires came off and >> >> >> >>> passenger tires went back on, in the 70's. Oldsmobile did not have many
installs of tires and pretty much no trucks.
finished my apprenticeship at a Texaco general repair garage / farm >> >> >> >> equipment dealership in - 1971 -wrote my CofQ (top of my class) Dec >> >> >> >> '71, got my interprovincial licence in March '72.(At 19,youngest
licensed mechanic in Ontario) Worked for Toyota dealer and then AMC /
Jeep /Mazda / International Trucks dealer/ Esso station and as supply
teacher. Then I taught trade level internationally for 2 years, then
returned to working at CanadianTire, moving on to running the bays at
an ESSO station, then to industrial equipment dealership, on to
operating the bays at a shell station and back to the Toyota
dealership where I became service manager within 3 weeks. I spent 10
years as service manager, going from 2 mechanics plus myself to 7 plus
myself before deciding to actively leave the trade. I've worked as a
consultant to the trade in various capacities over the last 30 years
off and on as a self employed IT / technoligy proffessional.
Well I guess I got you beat. LOL I had 6 service advisors, a service >> >> >> >manager, and 50+ mechanics. We took in approximately 400 vehicles on a
weekly basis.
Thinking back to when I was working PT for Ameron Automotive centers, in
Corpus Christi, there was a national holiday. The holiday was to
observe the funeral procession of president Johnson. That coincided >> >> >> >with a close out tire sale that we were having. We sold 400 tires on >> >> >> >that single day. That was a 13 hour work day with no lunch break.
service techs, bet it was a good day all around other that 13 hours in
Texas heat in a garage.
What's that got to do with the previous comment?
What does 100 people buying tires say about what people thought
about Johnson? It would be quite a stretch to say that it says anything
from a political standpoint.
Tells me that it was a pretty good sale, timed correctly by the dealer.
newsgroup.
You also posted:
"Say a lot about what Texans thought of him."
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