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    From John Grossbohlin@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 14 14:24:17 2021
    Is it quiet here or is my feed fouled up?

    Me... I've been working on live edge walnut slab window stools, vanity tops
    and a service window counter top for my sportsmen's club. Seems crazy to be using all that walnut for this! Then again, one of the members has a tree service and a bandsaw mill so the walnut cost the club nothing. My labor is free too. It's a nice club house!

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to John Grossbohlin on Tue Dec 14 14:35:07 2021
    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 2:24:26 PM UTC-5, John Grossbohlin wrote:
    Is it quiet here or is my feed fouled up?

    Me... I've been working on live edge walnut slab window stools, vanity tops and a service window counter top for my sportsmen's club. Seems crazy to be using all that walnut for this! Then again, one of the members has a tree service and a bandsaw mill so the walnut cost the club nothing. My labor is free too. It's a nice club house!

    Should have sold the walnut, bought pine and some walnut stain, and put the
    net proceeds into the club's coffers (or yours). ;-)

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  • From Sonny@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 14 15:50:22 2021
    I've been swamped with upholstery for the past 5 months, some chair repairs in those efforts. Upholstery projects are booked up through February.

    Lately, I made a few ER cedar mallets, one to replace a broken one and the others for oddity gifts.... easy to make, cedar limbs cut to length for heads and handles.

    I picked the last cucumber from the garden today. Our temps have been in the 70s for the most part of Nov. & Dec. Weatherman says we may not get our first frost until January. I mowed the lawn Friday.... hope that's the last until spring.

    Did an inspection of the house, recently. Have few areas needing minor repair. The shop's exterior needs cleaning, mold and mildew on the siding in areas. The windows, sills and trim need cleaning, also. I need to declutter some aspects in the
    shop. The 14" bandsaw needs a bearing replaced.... I've had the bearing for 6-8 months, now, just haven't made time to install it.

    Sonny

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to John Grossbohlin on Wed Dec 15 09:25:45 2021
    On 12/14/2021 1:24 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
    Is it quiet here or is my feed fouled up?

    Me... I've been working on live edge walnut slab window stools, vanity
    tops and a service window counter top for my sportsmen's club. Seems
    crazy to be using all that walnut for this! Then again, one of the
    members has a tree service and a bandsaw mill so the walnut cost the
    club nothing. My labor is free too. It's a nice club house!



    Just quiet, I have been working on 17 small boxes with multiple woods
    and box joints for the corner joints. 14 were not enough last year. ;~)

    The Shaper Origin was made for this type work. It has cut all box joint pockets, grooves and stopped groves to receive the bottoms, and
    engraving for the tops.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 09:31:00 2021
    On 12/14/2021 4:35 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 2:24:26 PM UTC-5, John Grossbohlin wrote:
    Is it quiet here or is my feed fouled up?

    Me... I've been working on live edge walnut slab window stools, vanity tops >> and a service window counter top for my sportsmen's club. Seems crazy to be >> using all that walnut for this! Then again, one of the members has a tree
    service and a bandsaw mill so the walnut cost the club nothing. My labor is >> free too. It's a nice club house!

    Should have sold the walnut, bought pine and some walnut stain, and put the net proceeds into the club's coffers (or yours). ;-)


    Walnut is pretty much cheap/worthless in some parts of the country.
    About 12 years ago we went on vacation with Swingman and his wife in
    Arkansas. We visited a guy, that ran a saw mill, that had some fence
    posts sitting out side. We bought probably 20 of those fence posts.
    All were silver in color from sitting in the sunlight but once plained
    they show their color. Imagine walnut fence posts. $2 each. I also
    got two walnut fireplace mantels, IIRC $7 each.

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  • From John Grossbohlin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 10:59:30 2021
    "DerbyDad03" wrote in message news:0d59e012-d051-435c-a418-b61210b3806an@googlegroups.com...

    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 2:24:26 PM UTC-5, John Grossbohlin wrote:
    Is it quiet here or is my feed fouled up?

    Me... I've been working on live edge walnut slab window stools, vanity
    tops
    and a service window counter top for my sportsmen's club. Seems crazy to
    be
    using all that walnut for this! Then again, one of the members has a tree
    service and a bandsaw mill so the walnut cost the club nothing. My labor
    is
    free too. It's a nice club house!

    Should have sold the walnut, bought pine and some walnut stain, and put the >net proceeds into the club's coffers (or yours). ;-)

    The main trunk was sold... the boring straight part that commercial sawmill guys like. ;~)

    The slabs I worked with came from higher up in the tree and some had decent grain and figure.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 12:57:26 2021
    On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:31:00 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 12/14/2021 4:35 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 2:24:26 PM UTC-5, John Grossbohlin wrote: >>> Is it quiet here or is my feed fouled up?

    Me... I've been working on live edge walnut slab window stools, vanity tops >>> and a service window counter top for my sportsmen's club. Seems crazy to be >>> using all that walnut for this! Then again, one of the members has a tree >>> service and a bandsaw mill so the walnut cost the club nothing. My labor is >>> free too. It's a nice club house!

    Should have sold the walnut, bought pine and some walnut stain, and put the >> net proceeds into the club's coffers (or yours). ;-)


    Walnut is pretty much cheap/worthless in some parts of the country.
    About 12 years ago we went on vacation with Swingman and his wife in >Arkansas. We visited a guy, that ran a saw mill, that had some fence
    posts sitting out side. We bought probably 20 of those fence posts.
    All were silver in color from sitting in the sunlight but once plained
    they show their color. Imagine walnut fence posts. $2 each. I also
    got two walnut fireplace mantels, IIRC $7 each.

    I just looked up local hardwood prices. Walnut is $16/bf (over 25bf).

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Wed Dec 15 13:11:52 2021
    On 12/15/2021 11:57 AM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:31:00 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 12/14/2021 4:35 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 2:24:26 PM UTC-5, John Grossbohlin wrote: >>>> Is it quiet here or is my feed fouled up?

    Me... I've been working on live edge walnut slab window stools, vanity tops
    and a service window counter top for my sportsmen's club. Seems crazy to be
    using all that walnut for this! Then again, one of the members has a tree >>>> service and a bandsaw mill so the walnut cost the club nothing. My labor is
    free too. It's a nice club house!

    Should have sold the walnut, bought pine and some walnut stain, and put the >>> net proceeds into the club's coffers (or yours). ;-)


    Walnut is pretty much cheap/worthless in some parts of the country.
    About 12 years ago we went on vacation with Swingman and his wife in
    Arkansas. We visited a guy, that ran a saw mill, that had some fence
    posts sitting out side. We bought probably 20 of those fence posts.
    All were silver in color from sitting in the sunlight but once plained
    they show their color. Imagine walnut fence posts. $2 each. I also
    got two walnut fireplace mantels, IIRC $7 each.

    I just looked up local hardwood prices. Walnut is $16/bf (over 25bf).



    Yeah! I wish it was more reasonable here too. IIRC I paid about $13
    per board foot a few weeks ago for what they called "rustic". That is
    cool wood with lots of character, knots and stuff like that. Really
    better for book matching slices vs. for furniture.

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  • From Sonny@21:1/5 to k...@notreal.com on Wed Dec 15 10:30:21 2021
    On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 11:57:30 AM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    I just looked up local hardwood prices. Walnut is $16/bf (over 25bf).

    At those kinds of prices, I should try to sell some of my lumber.

    John Grossbohlin -
    The slabs I worked with came from higher up in the tree and some had decent grain and figure.

    Top of tree Arts & Crafts - Long ago I used a section of the top of a cedar tree to make a decor water bucket. I left a bit of limb on the trunk and installed another limb onto the opposite side for the handle. I reamed out the inside with a
    chain saw and installed a rope handle. Mom used it as a pot plant holder. It was a fun project.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/51749474894/in/dateposted-public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/51749706645/in/dateposted-public/

    Sonny

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Sonny on Wed Dec 15 13:13:52 2021
    On 12/15/2021 12:30 PM, Sonny wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 11:57:30 AM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    I just looked up local hardwood prices. Walnut is $16/bf (over 25bf).

    At those kinds of prices, I should try to sell some of my lumber.

    John Grossbohlin -
    The slabs I worked with came from higher up in the tree and some had decent >> grain and figure.

    Top of tree Arts & Crafts - Long ago I used a section of the top of a cedar tree to make a decor water bucket. I left a bit of limb on the trunk and installed another limb onto the opposite side for the handle. I reamed out the inside with a
    chain saw and installed a rope handle. Mom used it as a pot plant holder. It was a fun project.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/51749474894/in/dateposted-public/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/51749706645/in/dateposted-public/

    Sonny



    Wow, LOL not what I was expecting. But very resourceful.

    Have you thought of building a Flintstone's mobile? ;~)

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 16:48:20 2021
    On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:13:52 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 12/15/2021 12:30 PM, Sonny wrote:
    On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 11:57:30 AM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:

    I just looked up local hardwood prices. Walnut is $16/bf (over 25bf).

    At those kinds of prices, I should try to sell some of my lumber.

    John Grossbohlin -
    The slabs I worked with came from higher up in the tree and some had decent >>> grain and figure.

    Top of tree Arts & Crafts - Long ago I used a section of the top of a cedar tree to make a decor water bucket. I left a bit of limb on the trunk and installed another limb onto the opposite side for the handle. I reamed out the inside with a
    chain saw and installed a rope handle. Mom used it as a pot plant holder. It was a fun project.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/51749474894/in/dateposted-public/ >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/51749706645/in/dateposted-public/ >>
    Sonny


    That is way cool.

    Wow, LOL not what I was expecting. But very resourceful.

    Have you thought of building a Flintstone's mobile? ;~)

    Hey, now! No reason to be mean.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 16:50:29 2021
    On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:25:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
    wrote:

    On 12/14/2021 1:24 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
    Is it quiet here or is my feed fouled up?

    Me... I've been working on live edge walnut slab window stools, vanity
    tops and a service window counter top for my sportsmen's club. Seems
    crazy to be using all that walnut for this! Then again, one of the
    members has a tree service and a bandsaw mill so the walnut cost the
    club nothing. My labor is free too. It's a nice club house!



    Just quiet, I have been working on 17 small boxes with multiple woods
    and box joints for the corner joints. 14 were not enough last year. ;~)

    The Shaper Origin was made for this type work. It has cut all box joint >pockets, grooves and stopped groves to receive the bottoms, and
    engraving for the tops.

    What was the learning curve like? Are you using Sketchup for design?

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  • From John Grossbohlin@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 17:51:01 2021
    wrote in message news:n1bkrg96fpbk7pr01ssus3eg18hk9sqa1q@4ax.com...

    I just looked up local hardwood prices. Walnut is $16/bf (over 25bf).

    At that price the smallest window stool had about $100 in walnut in it...
    the service window about $600.

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  • From Sonny@21:1/5 to Leon on Wed Dec 15 16:42:40 2021
    On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 1:14:01 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:


    Wow, LOL not what I was expecting. But very resourceful.

    Have you thought of building a Flintstone's mobile? ;~)

    LOL. I use to tinker with all sorts of odd ideas as that. Everyone liked that water bucket and wanted one. I never could find another tree, that was already down, that accommodated that log-with-limb profile section, to make another. During
    those times I made lots of cedar mallets, also, limbs cut to length for heads and handles, easy to make. Gave many to friends and family.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/51660677707/in/photostream

    I made quite a few cedar log 3'-4' long benches, also, with cedar limbs for legs. I used that rope-thru-wood handle, on each end of the bench, for carrying/moving the bench. Folks liked that rope-handle touch, seemed to suit the overall rustic
    design of the benches. Here's one (center of pic) I displayed at the PlantFest (city park festival), 9 years ago. Those parts of the tree trunks weren't suitable for milling lumber, so I made other stuff with some of the wood.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/8011600218/in/photostream

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  • From John Grossbohlin@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 16 18:18:52 2021
    "Sonny" wrote in message news:117c6173-34a8-409f-b3da-610a5bd3c703n@googlegroups.com...

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/8011600218/in/photostream

    Is that a police evidence photo?

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  • From Sonny@21:1/5 to John Grossbohlin on Thu Dec 16 17:50:18 2021
    On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 5:19:02 PM UTC-6, John Grossbohlin wrote:
    "Sonny" wrote in message
    news:117c6173-34a8-409f...@googlegroups.com...

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/8011600218/in/photostream

    Is that a police evidence photo?

    LOL. I think that pic is from 9 yrs ago. I think the police were directing traffic. The city bought the (then) USL (college) horse farm (over 100 acres in the middle of town) and were to turn it into a city park. The PlantFest festival was to
    commemorate the acquisition. The local Master Gardeners were a big part of the festivities. I often donate to the MG fund raisers. There's a 4 lane main road fronting the park and a dedicated parking lot had not yet been established, so there was
    some traffic issues. The police were there to help with any traffic issues.

    After 9 years of planning and construction, Moncus Park will officially open in January. Some of the pre-opening festivities have already started. I think there's still a few planned projects in the works.
    https://moncuspark.org/

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  • From Jack@21:1/5 to Leon on Fri Dec 17 10:12:09 2021
    On 12/15/2021 10:31 AM, Leon wrote:

    Walnut is pretty much cheap/worthless in some parts of the country.
    About 12 years ago we went on vacation with Swingman and his wife in Arkansas.  We visited a guy, that ran a saw mill, that had some fence
    posts sitting out side.  We bought probably 20 of those fence posts. All were silver in color from sitting in the sunlight but once plained they
    show their color.  Imagine walnut fence posts.  $2 each.  I also got two walnut fireplace mantels, IIRC $7 each.
    Never saw cheap walnut. Generally, when a saw mill finishes cutting a
    hardwood log, like oak, maple or walnut just the center pith of the log
    is left and will be used for firewood or pallet wood. Fence posts are
    normally cedar or locust, Oak is pallet wood. Walnut and maple pith
    cuts are mostly firewood as rot resistance is low.

    If he was selling walnut fence posts for $2, he was either stupid, or
    selling pith wood with little rot resistance and little value.

    --
    Jack
    Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to Jack on Fri Dec 17 21:01:32 2021
    On 12/17/2021 10:12, Jack wrote:
    On 12/15/2021 10:31 AM, Leon wrote:

    Walnut is pretty much cheap/worthless in some parts of the country.
    About 12 years ago we went on vacation with Swingman and his wife in
    Arkansas. We visited a guy, that ran a saw mill, that had some fence
    posts sitting out side. We bought probably 20 of those fence posts.
    All were silver in color from sitting in the sunlight but once plained
    they show their color. Imagine walnut fence posts. $2 each. I also
    got two walnut fireplace mantels, IIRC $7 each.
    Never saw cheap walnut. Generally, when a saw mill finishes cutting a hardwood log, like oak, maple or walnut just the center pith of the log
    is left and will be used for firewood or pallet wood. Fence posts are normally cedar or locust, Oak is pallet wood. Walnut and maple pith cuts
    are mostly firewood as rot resistance is low.

    Are pressure treated boards better or worse than using cedar or locust?
    I once lived in an old house with solid locust tree posts (some still
    had the bark) as support beams in the cellar -- sitting on the dirt
    floor, none-the-less. Circa 1880 home, and they seemed to be holding up
    fine.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Fri Dec 17 22:42:12 2021
    On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 21:01:32 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    On 12/17/2021 10:12, Jack wrote:
    On 12/15/2021 10:31 AM, Leon wrote:

    Walnut is pretty much cheap/worthless in some parts of the country.
    About 12 years ago we went on vacation with Swingman and his wife in
    Arkansas. We visited a guy, that ran a saw mill, that had some fence
    posts sitting out side. We bought probably 20 of those fence posts.
    All were silver in color from sitting in the sunlight but once plained
    they show their color. Imagine walnut fence posts. $2 each. I also
    got two walnut fireplace mantels, IIRC $7 each.
    Never saw cheap walnut. Generally, when a saw mill finishes cutting a
    hardwood log, like oak, maple or walnut just the center pith of the log
    is left and will be used for firewood or pallet wood. Fence posts are
    normally cedar or locust, Oak is pallet wood. Walnut and maple pith cuts
    are mostly firewood as rot resistance is low.

    Are pressure treated boards better or worse than using cedar or locust?
    I once lived in an old house with solid locust tree posts (some still
    had the bark) as support beams in the cellar -- sitting on the dirt
    floor, none-the-less. Circa 1880 home, and they seemed to be holding up >fine.

    There isn't a lot of water in the cellar. Wood tends to rot at the
    waterline. Some of the exotics like teak and ipe are very good.
    Pressure treated rated for water contact is good too. They make docks
    out of the stuff (and boardwalks out of ipe).

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  • From Michael Trew@21:1/5 to krw@notreal.com on Sat Dec 18 20:37:26 2021
    On 12/17/2021 22:42, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 21:01:32 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    On 12/17/2021 10:12, Jack wrote:
    On 12/15/2021 10:31 AM, Leon wrote:

    Walnut is pretty much cheap/worthless in some parts of the country.
    About 12 years ago we went on vacation with Swingman and his wife in
    Arkansas. We visited a guy, that ran a saw mill, that had some fence
    posts sitting out side. We bought probably 20 of those fence posts.
    All were silver in color from sitting in the sunlight but once plained >>>> they show their color. Imagine walnut fence posts. $2 each. I also
    got two walnut fireplace mantels, IIRC $7 each.
    Never saw cheap walnut. Generally, when a saw mill finishes cutting a
    hardwood log, like oak, maple or walnut just the center pith of the log
    is left and will be used for firewood or pallet wood. Fence posts are
    normally cedar or locust, Oak is pallet wood. Walnut and maple pith cuts >>> are mostly firewood as rot resistance is low.

    Are pressure treated boards better or worse than using cedar or locust?
    I once lived in an old house with solid locust tree posts (some still
    had the bark) as support beams in the cellar -- sitting on the dirt
    floor, none-the-less. Circa 1880 home, and they seemed to be holding up
    fine.

    There isn't a lot of water in the cellar. Wood tends to rot at the waterline. Some of the exotics like teak and ipe are very good.
    Pressure treated rated for water contact is good too. They make docks
    out of the stuff (and boardwalks out of ipe).

    Ah. Unfortunately, I've also been in cellars that regularly have a foot
    of water (or more) if the sump pump goes out.

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  • From krw@notreal.com@21:1/5 to michael.trew@att.net on Sat Dec 18 22:44:43 2021
    On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 20:37:26 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    On 12/17/2021 22:42, krw@notreal.com wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 21:01:32 -0500, Michael Trew
    <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:

    On 12/17/2021 10:12, Jack wrote:
    On 12/15/2021 10:31 AM, Leon wrote:

    Walnut is pretty much cheap/worthless in some parts of the country.
    About 12 years ago we went on vacation with Swingman and his wife in >>>>> Arkansas. We visited a guy, that ran a saw mill, that had some fence >>>>> posts sitting out side. We bought probably 20 of those fence posts. >>>>> All were silver in color from sitting in the sunlight but once plained >>>>> they show their color. Imagine walnut fence posts. $2 each. I also >>>>> got two walnut fireplace mantels, IIRC $7 each.
    Never saw cheap walnut. Generally, when a saw mill finishes cutting a
    hardwood log, like oak, maple or walnut just the center pith of the log >>>> is left and will be used for firewood or pallet wood. Fence posts are
    normally cedar or locust, Oak is pallet wood. Walnut and maple pith cuts >>>> are mostly firewood as rot resistance is low.

    Are pressure treated boards better or worse than using cedar or locust?
    I once lived in an old house with solid locust tree posts (some still
    had the bark) as support beams in the cellar -- sitting on the dirt
    floor, none-the-less. Circa 1880 home, and they seemed to be holding up >>> fine.

    There isn't a lot of water in the cellar. Wood tends to rot at the
    waterline. Some of the exotics like teak and ipe are very good.
    Pressure treated rated for water contact is good too. They make docks
    out of the stuff (and boardwalks out of ipe).

    Ah. Unfortunately, I've also been in cellars that regularly have a foot
    of water (or more) if the sump pump goes out.

    But that's the exception, isn't it? Isn't it dry 99.9% of the time?
    Where it's in contact with dirt, I think I'd still find rated PT. IPE
    is accessible but it's not cheap. I looked at IPE decking but it was
    about 2x composite, which is about 2x PT (I went with Trex).

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  • From Jack@21:1/5 to Michael Trew on Mon Dec 20 10:38:53 2021
    On 12/17/2021 9:01 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 12/17/2021 10:12, Jack wrote:
    On 12/15/2021 10:31 AM, Leon wrote:

    Walnut is pretty much cheap/worthless in some parts of the country.
    About 12 years ago we went on vacation with Swingman and his wife in
    Arkansas.  We visited a guy, that ran a saw mill, that had some fence
    posts sitting out side.  We bought probably 20 of those fence posts.
    All were silver in color from sitting in the sunlight but once plained
    they show their color.  Imagine walnut fence posts.  $2 each.  I also >>> got two walnut fireplace mantels, IIRC $7 each.
    Never saw cheap walnut. Generally, when a saw mill finishes cutting a
    hardwood log, like oak, maple or walnut just the center pith of the log
    is left and will be used for firewood or pallet wood. Fence posts are
    normally cedar or locust, Oak is pallet wood. Walnut and maple pith cuts
    are mostly firewood as rot resistance is low.

    Are pressure treated boards better or worse than using cedar or locust?
     I once lived in an old house with solid locust tree posts (some still
    had the bark) as support beams in the cellar -- sitting on the dirt
    floor, none-the-less.  Circa 1880 home, and they seemed to be holding up fine.

    I have 20+ year old 6x6 PT lumber posts rated for ground contact
    supporting my deck and shed and it's still in fine shape. Since then,
    PT has changed to be less toxic and I've no experience with that stuff.
    I never used Cedar or Locust for in ground use, but everyone says it's
    rot resistant, and I have no reason to doubt "everyone".

    I know water is a non-issue to wood. Wood stays good under water for
    centuries. It's where water and air hit the wood and it doesn't dry out
    that it rots. An untreated, unfinished white pine deck will last forever
    where the wood can quickly dry out after a rain. Where two boards meet,
    or ground contact and air and moisture sticks around it will rot easily
    and quickly. Normally, posts in a cellar should never rot unless you
    have a moisture issue.





    --
    Jack
    Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Jack on Mon Dec 20 12:46:29 2021
    On 12/20/2021 9:38 AM, Jack wrote:
    On 12/17/2021 9:01 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 12/17/2021 10:12, Jack wrote:
    On 12/15/2021 10:31 AM, Leon wrote:

    Walnut is pretty much cheap/worthless in some parts of the country.
    About 12 years ago we went on vacation with Swingman and his wife in
    Arkansas.  We visited a guy, that ran a saw mill, that had some fence >>>> posts sitting out side.  We bought probably 20 of those fence posts.
    All were silver in color from sitting in the sunlight but once plained >>>> they show their color.  Imagine walnut fence posts.  $2 each.  I also >>>> got two walnut fireplace mantels, IIRC $7 each.
    Never saw cheap walnut. Generally, when a saw mill finishes cutting a
    hardwood log, like oak, maple or walnut just the center pith of the log
    is left and will be used for firewood or pallet wood. Fence posts are
    normally cedar or locust, Oak is pallet wood. Walnut and maple pith cuts >>> are mostly firewood as rot resistance is low.

    Are pressure treated boards better or worse than using cedar or
    locust?   I once lived in an old house with solid locust tree posts
    (some still had the bark) as support beams in the cellar -- sitting on
    the dirt floor, none-the-less.  Circa 1880 home, and they seemed to be
    holding up fine.

    I have 20+ year old 6x6 PT lumber posts rated for ground contact
    supporting my deck and shed and it's still in fine shape.  Since then,
    PT has changed to be less toxic and I've no experience with that stuff.
    I never used Cedar or Locust for in ground use, but everyone says it's
    rot resistant, and I have no reason to doubt "everyone".


    Cedar is rot resistant but it does rot. In south Texas there are a lot
    of cedar picket fences. In humid conditions these cedar picket fences
    rot from the bottom. And this begins in as little as 5 years. These
    fences normally use PT for the rails and posts and on the better built
    fences what we call "rot boards". The rot boards are a PT horizontal
    board in contact with the ground that the cedar pickets sit on. This
    helps keep the bottoms of the cedar pickets out of the grass with dew
    and they last much longer.
    Cedar posts do not do much better than the pickets. They typically crap
    out at ground level. Above and below ground they do fine but daily
    dampness from dew is the issue with cedar.

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  • From Sonny@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 20 10:16:08 2021
    Non-rotting posts:
    Catalpa is a soft wood, however folks down here would split logs, making fence posts. The catalpa posts would take root and grow. After years of growth, a line of trees would be established along the fence line. This was the case on my grandparent'
    s farm, now our old homestead. A side benefit, in spring and summer catalpa worms were often collected to fish with.

    Some time ago one of those trees blew down in a storm. Here's a small bench I made from that tree.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/5323311929/in/photostream

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  • From Leon@21:1/5 to Sonny on Mon Dec 20 12:48:53 2021
    On 12/20/2021 12:16 PM, Sonny wrote:
    Non-rotting posts:
    Catalpa is a soft wood, however folks down here would split logs, making fence posts. The catalpa posts would take root and grow. After years of growth, a line of trees would be established along the fence line. This was the case on my
    grandparent's farm, now our old homestead. A side benefit, in spring and summer catalpa worms were often collected to fish with.

    Some time ago one of those trees blew down in a storm. Here's a small bench I made from that tree.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/5323311929/in/photostream


    Wow that is cool! AND may explain why trees seem to grow along the
    fence line is some places. I always thought that the trees came up from
    seeds and were not mowed. BUT in pasture land not much mowing goes on
    except for the cattle feeding on grass.

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 20 17:01:34 2021
    On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:16:08 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedarsonny@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Non-rotting posts:
    Catalpa is a soft wood, however folks down here would split logs, making fence posts. The catalpa posts would take root and grow. After years of growth, a line of trees would be established along the fence line. This was the case on my
    grandparent's farm, now our old homestead. A side benefit, in spring and summer catalpa worms were often collected to fish with.

    Some time ago one of those trees blew down in a storm. Here's a small bench I made from that tree.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/5323311929/in/photostream
    In Africa the type of Catalpa that grew there was referred to as
    "monkey pod" - totally differen t, I believe, than the Hawiian Monkey
    pod - either that or it was mistakenly called Catalpa.
    Soft, light, resinous wood not unlike cedar. Not as hard or heavy as
    Acacia. Or Locust!!

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  • From DerbyDad03@21:1/5 to Leon on Mon Dec 20 14:32:58 2021
    On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 1:46:37 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
    On 12/20/2021 9:38 AM, Jack wrote:
    On 12/17/2021 9:01 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 12/17/2021 10:12, Jack wrote:
    On 12/15/2021 10:31 AM, Leon wrote:

    Walnut is pretty much cheap/worthless in some parts of the country. >>>> About 12 years ago we went on vacation with Swingman and his wife in >>>> Arkansas. We visited a guy, that ran a saw mill, that had some fence >>>> posts sitting out side. We bought probably 20 of those fence posts. >>>> All were silver in color from sitting in the sunlight but once plained >>>> they show their color. Imagine walnut fence posts. $2 each. I also >>>> got two walnut fireplace mantels, IIRC $7 each.
    Never saw cheap walnut. Generally, when a saw mill finishes cutting a >>> hardwood log, like oak, maple or walnut just the center pith of the log >>> is left and will be used for firewood or pallet wood. Fence posts are >>> normally cedar or locust, Oak is pallet wood. Walnut and maple pith cuts >>> are mostly firewood as rot resistance is low.

    Are pressure treated boards better or worse than using cedar or
    locust? I once lived in an old house with solid locust tree posts
    (some still had the bark) as support beams in the cellar -- sitting on
    the dirt floor, none-the-less. Circa 1880 home, and they seemed to be
    holding up fine.

    I have 20+ year old 6x6 PT lumber posts rated for ground contact supporting my deck and shed and it's still in fine shape. Since then,
    PT has changed to be less toxic and I've no experience with that stuff.
    I never used Cedar or Locust for in ground use, but everyone says it's
    rot resistant, and I have no reason to doubt "everyone".

    Many places are beginning to carry only "ground contact PT". I read
    somewhere (can't find it now and don't know if it came to fruition) that
    Home Depot was going to transition to selling *only* ground contact
    rated PT lumber. The reason was that the new standards call for
    using ground contact PT when ground contact will occur, when used
    within 6" of the ground and when “used above ground but are difficult
    to maintain, repair or replace and are critical to the performance and
    safety of the entire system/construction.”

    I like that last part. Why not use the most highly treated lumber in
    places where you can't get to it if it rots because of "limited" treatment.

    I once read that the term "treated to refusal" is the most "dangerous"
    type of PT to buy. By dangerous I mean that you really don't know what
    you are getting in terms of treatment. The manufacturer simply pumps
    in the treatment until the board refuses to accept anymore. Treat a
    kiln dried board and you'll probably be able to get a lot of treatment
    deep into the board. Now pull a board out the river, slice it up and treat it the same day. The board will laugh at any attempt to add more liquid.
    Slap a label on the end that reads "treated to refusal" and call it a PT board. That's what I mean by "dangerous".

    Regarding the new specs for ground contact, his is from 2016, I didn't
    look for any updates.

    https://www.proremodeler.com/new-rules-pressure-treated-lumber



    Cedar is rot resistant but it does rot. In south Texas there are a lot
    of cedar picket fences. In humid conditions these cedar picket fences
    rot from the bottom. And this begins in as little as 5 years. These
    fences normally use PT for the rails and posts and on the better built fences what we call "rot boards". The rot boards are a PT horizontal
    board in contact with the ground that the cedar pickets sit on. This
    helps keep the bottoms of the cedar pickets out of the grass with dew
    and they last much longer.
    Cedar posts do not do much better than the pickets. They typically crap
    out at ground level. Above and below ground they do fine but daily
    dampness from dew is the issue with cedar.

    I put a board-on-board cedar fence around my yard 35+ years ago.
    Occasionally I have replaced a board here and there, but 99% of the
    fence is still rot free. Some boards have been in the ground a few inches
    since day one. I've removed some sections for access every now and then
    and while I had to fight with the ivy roots that were holding the sections
    in the ground, the bottom of the boards have virtually no rot.

    The PT posts that hold up the fence and my deck seem to be as solid
    as when I put them in. That was definitely ground contact PT. The deck
    boards and railings are another story. I'll probably be renovating it in the spring.

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  • From Puckdropper@21:1/5 to John Grossbohlin on Sun Jan 2 10:21:59 2022
    "John Grossbohlin" <nospam.grossboj@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:pcadnXGn9YH8ciX8nZ2dnUU7-bHNnZ2d@earthlink.com:

    Is it quiet here or is my feed fouled up?

    Me... I've been working on live edge walnut slab window stools, vanity
    tops and a service window counter top for my sportsmen's club. Seems
    crazy to be using all that walnut for this! Then again, one of the
    members has a tree service and a bandsaw mill so the walnut cost the
    club nothing. My labor is free too. It's a nice club house!



    I've been away from the computer for Christmas trip.

    You know that joke that goes:

    Guy goes traveling to a small village in the jungle. When he arrives he hears drums coming from the
    mountain behind the village. He asks the driver what the deal is with the drums. Driver says, "Oh.
    Drums stop very bad." Huh.

    Well next he's walking around the village checking it out and he asks one of the villagers about the
    drums and the villager says, "Drums stop, very very bad."

    Finally, he's at the house he's staying at and he asks about the drums again. His host says, "Drums
    stop, very bad. Terrible."

    That night he's sleeping and the drums suddenly stop! He wakes up, jumps out of bed and goes to his
    host, "What's going on?! What happened?! What is it?" and his his host replies,

    "Bass solo."

    ---

    Out one night at my father in law's place in Africa, I heard the drums. At my sister in law's place, I
    heard the bass--but fortunately it wasn't a solo! Guess I really lucked out on that one!

    Puckdropper

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