A friend is having a deck built next to his above ground pool. I was curious >as to how the framing would be done, so I took a look yesterday.
The builder put a beam at an angle along the pool, put the joists and blocking >on the beam and made a "curved rim joist" by cutting boards at an angle and >slipping them between the ends of the joists.
Sure seems like it oughta work.
https://i.imgur.com/ZwNd9AO.jpg
On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 11:56:00 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
A friend is having a deck built next to his above ground pool. I was curious >as to how the framing would be done, so I took a look yesterday.
The builder put a beam at an angle along the pool, put the joists and blocking
on the beam and made a "curved rim joist" by cutting boards at an angle and >slipping them between the ends of the joists.
Sure seems like it oughta work.
https://i.imgur.com/ZwNd9AO.jpgAnd here I thought they steamed 2X8s. ;-)
On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 11:56:00 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
A friend is having a deck built next to his above ground pool. I was curious >> as to how the framing would be done, so I took a look yesterday.
The builder put a beam at an angle along the pool, put the joists and blocking
on the beam and made a "curved rim joist" by cutting boards at an angle and >> slipping them between the ends of the joists.
Sure seems like it oughta work.
https://i.imgur.com/ZwNd9AO.jpg
And here I thought they steamed 2X8s. ;-)
On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 3:36:43 PM UTC-5, k...@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 11:56:00 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
A friend is having a deck built next to his above ground pool. I was curiousAnd here I thought they steamed 2X8s. ;-)
as to how the framing would be done, so I took a look yesterday.
The builder put a beam at an angle along the pool, put the joists and blocking
on the beam and made a "curved rim joist" by cutting boards at an angle and >>> slipping them between the ends of the joists.
Sure seems like it oughta work.
https://i.imgur.com/ZwNd9AO.jpg
Well, I did offer to lend him my steam box...
https://i.imgur.com/GhxTdZa.jpg
A friend is having a deck built next to his above ground pool. I was curious as to how the framing would be done, so I took a look yesterday.
The builder put a beam at an angle along the pool, put the joists and blocking
on the beam and made a "curved rim joist" by cutting boards at an angle and slipping them between the ends of the joists.
Sure seems like it oughta work.
https://i.imgur.com/ZwNd9AO.jpg
On 12/6/2021 1:56 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
A friend is having a deck built next to his above ground pool. I was curious
as to how the framing would be done, so I took a look yesterday.
The builder put a beam at an angle along the pool, put the joists and blocking
on the beam and made a "curved rim joist" by cutting boards at an angle and slipping them between the ends of the joists.
Sure seems like it oughta work.
https://i.imgur.com/ZwNd9AO.jpg
I did something very similar about 25 years ago. An extensive back yard
rose garden with decking around the curved swing and pathways.
I can't tell you how many times one of the rose bushes grabbed me and
held on.
And yes it is a lot of work but you do have to support those curved ends
of the deck boards.
On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 12/6/2021 1:56 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
A friend is having a deck built next to his above ground pool. I was curiousI did something very similar about 25 years ago. An extensive back yard
as to how the framing would be done, so I took a look yesterday.
The builder put a beam at an angle along the pool, put the joists and blocking
on the beam and made a "curved rim joist" by cutting boards at an angle and
slipping them between the ends of the joists.
Sure seems like it oughta work.
https://i.imgur.com/ZwNd9AO.jpg
rose garden with decking around the curved swing and pathways.
I can't tell you how many times one of the rose bushes grabbed me and
held on.
And yes it is a lot of work but you do have to support those curved ends
of the deck boards.
This whole build is a weird situation, probably because there is "family" >involved.
It's a family member that is building the deck, a patio area and a walkway, >all based on the installation of the pool. The family member has built other >things for this couple, such as a shed. (more on that later).
Apparently this family member isn't the type of person who presents plans >when he builds something, he just talks and points. (Obviously he didn't get >permit, but that's a separate issue)
So the block patio gets built next to the pool, the deck gets framed and the >stairs for the deck land on the patio. The patio is not that big and the 5' >wide steps land in the middle of the side near the pool and extend about
25% of the way onto the patio. They take up too much room, mess up
placement of a table and chairs and create a terrible traffic pattern, basically
right through the middle of people sitting on the patio, sipping a cocktail. >(There will little kids running back and forth.)
The owners had to tell their family member to move it off the patio. Of >course, no other area near the deck (i.e. the lawn) has been prepped to support
the stairs, so he has to pour a couple more footers, do a little more framing, >move the already completed stairs, get them to land correctly, maybe even >rebuild them to keep the risers even. Plans would have prevented this problem.
OK, back to the shed that he built for them at a different house. Since he just
pointed and talked, there seems to have been some miscommunication as to >which way the doors should face. The owners wanted them to face into the >yard, he built it (while they were on vacation) with the doors facing the driveway.
The short driveway. The driveway that required one of their cars to be parked so
close to the shed that you could barely get the doors open. Plans would have >prevented this issue.
I guess they didn't learn their lesson the first time. The walkway isn't built yet.
I hope they make him at least draw a picture. ;-)
On 12/7/2021 2:36 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 11:56:00 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
A friend is having a deck built next to his above ground pool. I was curious
as to how the framing would be done, so I took a look yesterday.
The builder put a beam at an angle along the pool, put the joists and blocking
on the beam and made a "curved rim joist" by cutting boards at an angle and >>> slipping them between the ends of the joists.
Sure seems like it oughta work.
https://i.imgur.com/ZwNd9AO.jpg
And here I thought they steamed 2X8s. ;-)
They look like they are bent but all are straight.
On 12/6/2021 1:56 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
A friend is having a deck built next to his above ground pool. I was curious >> as to how the framing would be done, so I took a look yesterday.
The builder put a beam at an angle along the pool, put the joists and blocking
on the beam and made a "curved rim joist" by cutting boards at an angle and >> slipping them between the ends of the joists.
Sure seems like it oughta work.
https://i.imgur.com/ZwNd9AO.jpg
I did something very similar about 25 years ago. An extensive back yard
rose garden with decking around the curved swing and pathways.
I can't tell you how many times one of the rose bushes grabbed me and
held on.
And yes it is a lot of work but you do have to support those curved ends
of the deck boards.
On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 08:22:22 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 10:01:38 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
On 12/6/2021 1:56 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
A friend is having a deck built next to his above ground pool. I was curiousI did something very similar about 25 years ago. An extensive back yard
as to how the framing would be done, so I took a look yesterday.
The builder put a beam at an angle along the pool, put the joists and blocking
on the beam and made a "curved rim joist" by cutting boards at an angle and
slipping them between the ends of the joists.
Sure seems like it oughta work.
https://i.imgur.com/ZwNd9AO.jpg
rose garden with decking around the curved swing and pathways.
I can't tell you how many times one of the rose bushes grabbed me and
held on.
And yes it is a lot of work but you do have to support those curved ends >>> of the deck boards.
This whole build is a weird situation, probably because there is "family" >>involved.
It's a family member that is building the deck, a patio area and a walkway, >>all based on the installation of the pool. The family member has built other >>things for this couple, such as a shed. (more on that later).
Apparently this family member isn't the type of person who presents plans >>when he builds something, he just talks and points. (Obviously he didn't get >>permit, but that's a separate issue)
So the block patio gets built next to the pool, the deck gets framed and the >>stairs for the deck land on the patio. The patio is not that big and the 5' >>wide steps land in the middle of the side near the pool and extend about >>25% of the way onto the patio. They take up too much room, mess up >>placement of a table and chairs and create a terrible traffic pattern, basically
right through the middle of people sitting on the patio, sipping a cocktail. >>(There will little kids running back and forth.)
The owners had to tell their family member to move it off the patio. Of >>course, no other area near the deck (i.e. the lawn) has been prepped to support
the stairs, so he has to pour a couple more footers, do a little more framing,
move the already completed stairs, get them to land correctly, maybe even >>rebuild them to keep the risers even. Plans would have prevented this problem.
OK, back to the shed that he built for them at a different house. Since he just
pointed and talked, there seems to have been some miscommunication as to >>which way the doors should face. The owners wanted them to face into the >>yard, he built it (while they were on vacation) with the doors facing the driveway.
The short driveway. The driveway that required one of their cars to be parked so
close to the shed that you could barely get the doors open. Plans would have >>prevented this issue.
I guess they didn't learn their lesson the first time. The walkway isn't built yet.
I hope they make him at least draw a picture. ;-)
My fav is the pad of 11 x 17 squared paper -
so easy to do a rough sketch in the field -
then do a finished drawing - to scale - at the litchen table.
https://tinyurl.com/yc7r7f5e
Too big to scan - take a photo to email it.
Not exactly the professional 3-D views that a cad-guy
will produce but better than talking and pointing !
I guess they didn't learn their lesson the first time. The walkway isn't built yet.
I hope they make him at least draw a picture. ;-)
My fav is the pad of 11 x 17 squared paper -
so easy to do a rough sketch in the field -
then do a finished drawing - to scale - at the litchen table.
https://tinyurl.com/yc7r7f5e
Too big to scan - take a photo to email it.
Not exactly the professional 3-D views that a cad-guy
will produce but better than talking and pointing !
One word: Sketchup
I guess they didn't learn their lesson the first time. The walkway isn't built yet.
I hope they make him at least draw a picture. ;-)
My fav is the pad of 11 x 17 squared paper -
so easy to do a rough sketch in the field -
then do a finished drawing - to scale - at the litchen table.
https://tinyurl.com/yc7r7f5e
Too big to scan - take a photo to email it.
Not exactly the professional 3-D views that a cad-guy
will produce but better than talking and pointing !
One word: Sketchup
I tried it a few years ago .. but without a compelling reason
to force myself to dig in & learn it .. it was tough sloggin' .
I have a daughter who is an interior designer and she has
taught junior college kids the cad stuff so I just avail
upon her good graces.
I guess they didn't learn their lesson the first time. The walkway isn't built yet.
I hope they make him at least draw a picture. ;-)
My fav is the pad of 11 x 17 squared paper -
so easy to do a rough sketch in the field -
then do a finished drawing - to scale - at the litchen table.
https://tinyurl.com/yc7r7f5e
Too big to scan - take a photo to email it.
Not exactly the professional 3-D views that a cad-guy
will produce but better than talking and pointing !
One word: Sketchup
I tried it a few years ago .. but without a compelling reason
to force myself to dig in & learn it .. it was tough sloggin' .
I have a daughter who is an interior designer and she has
taught junior college kids the cad stuff so I just avail
upon her good graces.
John T.
On Wed, 08 Dec 2021 18:39:13 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
I guess they didn't learn their lesson the first time. The walkway isn't built yet.
I hope they make him at least draw a picture. ;-)
My fav is the pad of 11 x 17 squared paper -
so easy to do a rough sketch in the field -
then do a finished drawing - to scale - at the litchen table.
https://tinyurl.com/yc7r7f5e
Too big to scan - take a photo to email it.
Not exactly the professional 3-D views that a cad-guy
will produce but better than talking and pointing !
One word: Sketchup
I tried it a few years ago .. but without a compelling reason
to force myself to dig in & learn it .. it was tough sloggin' .
I couldn't make anything out of it until I got my head wrapped around
the fact that it's not a CAD program. Its a modeling program which is
sorta a CAD program, turned inside out. You draw the widget or the components of the widget, then take the dimensions from that.
For example, to make a 2x8x8, you start with a 2x8" rectangle, then
grab the face and pull it out 96". Or you can take an 8x96" rectangle
and stretch it 2". If you don't know how long this joist is, just
pull it until it's long enough to go where you want it to go. Measure
it later.
You can then copy/move to build a grid of joists, spin and move to
make a beam. Then pull the sides to change the joist's dimension to
size it to make the beam and its length to go from here to there. When
you're done, take the dimensions of the pieces. You don't start with
the dimension, rather a 3-D picture.
This took some visualization. I think it was Leon, probably ten years
ago who gave me the insight to look at the problem from another
direction. Once that mental breakthrough is made, the whole thing
becomes obvious.
I have a daughter who is an interior designer and she has
taught junior college kids the cad stuff so I just avail
upon her good graces.
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