• Cruise ship industry floundering, ships being sold for recycling

    From Byker@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 12 10:52:17 2020
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    The cruise ship industry is fast being wiped out by the Kung Flu, an entire industry that is being destroyed. The other industry that will also soon be gone will be the movie theater industry. Next, the powers-that-be will have
    to admit that commercial air travel is basically done. The world is getting very small, very fast. And not in the hippie-happy sense of "we’re all connected now!" Line 'em up: https://tinyurl.com/yxmz7fmk ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    Cruise ships dismantled for scrap metal as coronavirus pandemic sinks
    industry

    10/12/2020

    Cruise ships are being dismantled and sold as scrap metal due to the coronavirus pandemic all but destroying the global cruise industry.

    Earlier this month, aerial footage shot by drones showed workers stripping walls, windows, floors and railings from several vessels docked in Aliaga, a town 45 kilometres north of Izmir on Turkey's west coast.

    Three more ships are set to join five already being dismantled.

    Chairman of a ship recycling industrialists' association, Kamil Onal, said before the pandemic Turkey's ship-breaking yards typically handled cargo and container ships.

    "But after the pandemic, cruise ships changed course towards Aliaga in a
    very significant way," he said.

    "There was growth in the sector due to the crisis. When the ships couldn't
    find work, they turned to dismantling."

    The vessels have arrived for dismantling from Britain, Italy and the United States.

    Cruise ships were home to the some of the earliest clusters of COVID-19 as
    the pandemic spread globally early this year.

    In February, the Australian Government had to evacuate more than 150 Australians stuck onboard the Diamond Princess off Japan.

    Weeks later, it ordered foreign-flagged cruise ships out of Australian
    waters — a ban recently extended until at least December 17.

    The now-infamous Ruby Princess was allowed to dock in Sydney, though, with a special commission of inquiry finding the ship was linked to at least 28 deaths.

    In March, US authorities issued a no-sail order for all cruise ships. It remains in place.

    Mr Onal said some 2,500 people worked at the yard in teams.

    He said it took about six months to dismantle a full passenger ship.

    The shipyard aimed to increase the volume of reclaimed steel to 1.1 million tonnes by the end of the year, from 700,000 tonnes in January, he said.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-11/cruise-ships-dismanted-for-scrap-metal-coronavirus-covid-19/12752382
















    But that isn’t the point here.

    The point is, whatever the tastefulness or morality of this industry, it is
    an entire industry which is being destroyed. The other industry they are preparing to admit is gone forever is slightly less obscene – the movie theater industry.

    Next, they’re going to have to admit that commercial air travel is basically done.

    The world is getting very small, very fast. And not in the hippy-happy sense
    of “we’re all connected now!”

    Rather, it’s getting smaller in the sense of the trash compactor on the
    Death Star.

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to Byker on Mon Oct 12 14:11:53 2020
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    "Mr. Mag00" wrote in message news:rm28at$dnr$1@dont-email.me...

    On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:52:17 -0500
    "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    Earlier this month, aerial footage shot by drones showed workers
    stripping walls, windows, floors and railings from several vessels docked
    in Aliaga, a town 45 kilometres north of Izmir on Turkey's west coast.

    A lot of that goes on in Chittagong, Bangladesh, as well, with little
    concern for worker safety.

    They'd starve without it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4cVGWTzKo8

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  • From Mr. Mag00@21:1/5 to Byker on Tue Oct 13 05:46:53 2020
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    On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:52:17 -0500
    "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    Earlier this month, aerial footage shot by drones showed workers
    stripping walls, windows, floors and railings from several vessels
    docked in Aliaga, a town 45 kilometres north of Izmir on Turkey's
    west coast.


    A lot of that goes on in Chittagong, Bangladesh, as well, with little
    concern for worker safety.

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  • From Phantom_View@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 13 00:58:03 2020
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    "Cruises" are DEATH. Everybody knows it.

    It is the END of that "industry" for a long time to come.
    Norovirus was the sign, COVID was the hammer.

    A pity to junk all the ships though .... gotta be some other
    uses for them. The ultrarich could BUY them as private
    yachts ............

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  • From Phantom_View@21:1/5 to Byker on Tue Oct 13 01:11:52 2020
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    On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:11:53 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "Mr. Mag00" wrote in message news:rm28at$dnr$1@dont-email.me...

    On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:52:17 -0500
    "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    Earlier this month, aerial footage shot by drones showed workers
    stripping walls, windows, floors and railings from several vessels docked >>> in Aliaga, a town 45 kilometres north of Izmir on Turkey's west coast.

    A lot of that goes on in Chittagong, Bangladesh, as well, with little
    concern for worker safety.

    They'd starve without it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4cVGWTzKo8

    Cruises are ALL OVER ... maybe for a decade or so.
    They are just VIRAL DEATH.

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  • From A. Filip@21:1/5 to pv@PhantomView114.net on Tue Oct 13 06:32:48 2020
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    Phantom_View <pv@PhantomView114.net> wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 14:11:53 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "Mr. Mag00" wrote in message news:rm28at$dnr$1@dont-email.me...

    On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 10:52:17 -0500
    "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    Earlier this month, aerial footage shot by drones showed workers
    stripping walls, windows, floors and railings from several vessels docked >>>> in Aliaga, a town 45 kilometres north of Izmir on Turkey's west coast.

    A lot of that goes on in Chittagong, Bangladesh, as well, with little
    concern for worker safety.

    They'd starve without it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4cVGWTzKo8

    Cruises are ALL OVER ... maybe for a decade or so.
    They are just VIRAL DEATH.

    Nothing ca be done for (small?) minority to survive/adapt?

    Darwin Theory is about total wipe outs or *survival* of he fittest?
    Even in your scenario it makes sense to preserve (small?) holdouts for faster/easier restart after a few years.

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  • From Keema's Nan@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 13 10:00:03 2020
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    On 13 Oct 2020, Phantom_View wrote
    (in article<encaofpj7np7cl4pv0c46cq30n9idljiks@4ax.com>):

    "Cruises" are DEATH. Everybody knows it.

    It is the END of that "industry" for a long time to come.
    Norovirus was the sign, COVID was the hammer.

    A pity to junk all the ships though .... gotta be some other
    uses for them. The ultrarich could BUY them as private
    yachts ............

    Better still, just scuttle them around the English fishing conservation
    areas. That would stop foreign fishing vessels from trawling and destroying
    our seas; and would create protected breeding areas for what is left of our fish stocks.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/09/revealed-97-of-uk- offshore-marine-parks-subject-to-destructive-fishing

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  • From Keema's Nan@21:1/5 to Busta Capp on Tue Oct 13 20:11:40 2020
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    On 13 Oct 2020, Busta Capp wrote
    (in article<AvCdnZlgyPGkaxjCnZ2dnUU7-eXNnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

    "A. Filip" wrote in message news:anfi+c5zckpx4pf-kad2@wp.eu...

    Even in your scenario it makes sense to preserve (small?) holdouts for faster/easier restart after a few years.

    That "restart" will probably be in the form of charter cruises for the nouveau riche, interracial couples, queers, vegans, eco-kooks, and animal-rights wackos...

    In which case, let's hope they run into a cat 5 hurricane.

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  • From Busta Capp@21:1/5 to A. Filip on Tue Oct 13 13:47:20 2020
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    "A. Filip" wrote in message news:anfi+c5zckpx4pf-kad2@wp.eu...

    Even in your scenario it makes sense to preserve (small?) holdouts for faster/easier restart after a few years.

    That "restart" will probably be in the form of charter cruises for the
    nouveau riche, interracial couples, queers, vegans, eco-kooks, and animal-rights wackos...

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to Busta Capp on Tue Oct 13 17:21:48 2020
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    "Keema's Nan" wrote in message news:0001HW.2536336C0027751D70000CE0A2EF@news.giganews.com...

    On 13 Oct 2020, Busta Capp wrote
    (in article<AvCdnZlgyPGkaxjCnZ2dnUU7-eXNnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

    That "restart" will probably be in the form of charter cruises for the
    nouveau riche, interracial couples, queers, vegans, eco-kooks, and
    animal-rights wackos...

    In which case, let's hope they run into a cat 5 hurricane.

    The snobs deserve it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgKLrUP-IyU

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  • From Phantom_View@21:1/5 to fruity_sorric@bungay.com on Tue Oct 13 21:41:25 2020
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    On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:00:03 +0100, Keema's Nan
    <fruity_sorric@bungay.com> wrote:

    On 13 Oct 2020, Phantom_View wrote
    (in article<encaofpj7np7cl4pv0c46cq30n9idljiks@4ax.com>):

    "Cruises" are DEATH. Everybody knows it.

    It is the END of that "industry" for a long time to come.
    Norovirus was the sign, COVID was the hammer.

    A pity to junk all the ships though .... gotta be some other
    uses for them. The ultrarich could BUY them as private
    yachts ............

    Better still, just scuttle them around the English fishing conservation >areas. That would stop foreign fishing vessels from trawling and destroying >our seas; and would create protected breeding areas for what is left of our >fish stocks.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/09/revealed-97-of-uk- >offshore-marine-parks-subject-to-destructive-fishing


    Not the worst idea actually ....

    But the things are loaded with oils and plastics and toxic
    paint and ...........

    Floating amusement areas, shops ... might be popular in
    some places. A few people ARE rich enough to use at
    least the shorter ships as yachts. Some extra hospital
    ships might be wise, C-19 will not be the last epidemic
    after all. Maybe Musk can take off the top and launch and
    recover rockets ?

    In any case, it is a horrible waste to just scrap the things.

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  • From Keema's Nan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 14 11:07:12 2020
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    On 14 Oct 2020, Phantom_View wrote
    (in article<8dlcofh2spedvgqci5ig6lcet6ogheaovi@4ax.com>):

    On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:00:03 +0100, Keema's Nan
    <fruity_sorric@bungay.com> wrote:

    On 13 Oct 2020, Phantom_View wrote
    (in article<encaofpj7np7cl4pv0c46cq30n9idljiks@4ax.com>):

    "Cruises" are DEATH. Everybody knows it.

    It is the END of that "industry" for a long time to come.
    Norovirus was the sign, COVID was the hammer.

    A pity to junk all the ships though .... gotta be some other
    uses for them. The ultrarich could BUY them as private
    yachts ............

    Better still, just scuttle them around the English fishing conservation areas. That would stop foreign fishing vessels from trawling and destroying our seas; and would create protected breeding areas for what is left of our fish stocks.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/09/revealed-97-of-uk- offshore-marine-parks-subject-to-destructive-fishing

    Not the worst idea actually ....

    But the things are loaded with oils and plastics and toxic
    paint and ...........

    Well yes, but I was assuming all potentially harmful material would have been removed prior to the sinking.

    We are talking nature conservation.



    Floating amusement areas, shops ... might be popular in
    some places. A few people ARE rich enough to use at
    least the shorter ships as yachts. Some extra hospital
    ships might be wise, C-19 will not be the last epidemic
    after all. Maybe Musk can take off the top and launch and
    recover rockets ?

    In any case, it is a horrible waste to just scrap the things.

    Although think of the thousands of tons of turds which are now going to
    sewage farms rather than just being dumped into the oceans every night.

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  • From Busta Capp@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 14 19:58:08 2020
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    "Keema's Nan" wrote in message news:0001HW.2537055000097BAC7000008892EF@news.giganews.com...

    Although think of the thousands of tons of turds which are now going to sewage farms rather than just being dumped into the oceans every night.

    Shit has been going into the world's oceans since the appearance
    of the first multicellular organism four billion years ago...

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  • From Busta Capp@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 19 17:15:03 2020
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    "news18" wrote in message news:rm5pv9$uk$19@dont-email.me...

    On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:41:25 -0400, Phantom_View wrote:

    In any case, it is a horrible waste to just scrap the things.

    The cruise lines will start with their oldest ships, sending them
    off to the breakers as the passenger lists -- and profits -- shrink.

    Some of these ships are not built for maintenance. It might cost more/the same/close to the cost to strip and reline compared to the cost of a new ship. Hint. some ships are built from the ground up with the engine(s)
    going in just after the bottom of the hull is laid, and they are thus not maintainable, so they have to be considered as very worn.

    At a billion bucks a pop nowadays, they better figure some way of
    recouping their costs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-E8rFt5Cvo

    They're no good if they become floating "pest houses": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLzEkge8wW0

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  • From Keema's Nan@21:1/5 to Busta Capp on Tue Oct 20 13:17:54 2020
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    On 19 Oct 2020, Busta Capp wrote
    (in article<e9mdnaUk7KV1khPCnZ2dnUU7-a3NnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

    "news18" wrote in message news:rm5pv9$uk$19@dont-email.me...

    On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:41:25 -0400, Phantom_View wrote:

    In any case, it is a horrible waste to just scrap the things.

    The cruise lines will start with their oldest ships, sending them
    off to the breakers as the passenger lists -- and profits -- shrink.

    Some of these ships are not built for maintenance. It might cost more/the same/close to the cost to strip and reline compared to the cost of a new ship. Hint. some ships are built from the ground up with the engine(s) going in just after the bottom of the hull is laid, and they are thus not maintainable, so they have to be considered as very worn.

    At a billion bucks a pop nowadays, they better figure some way of
    recouping their costs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-E8rFt5Cvo

    Only a mere billion? I’m surprised Bill Gates doesn’t have one, in order
    to experiment with how many minions he would need to keep him and his cronies in the lifestyle he demands while being able to sail as far away from the pandemic, and then WW3, as possible.

    I see Trump is going to lift the ban on cruise ships in the US just before election day, in another example of his desperate search for someone to vote for him.



    They're no good if they become floating "pest houses": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLzEkge8wW0

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to Busta Capp on Tue Oct 20 13:17:42 2020
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    "Keema's Nan" wrote in message news:0001HW.253F0CF2000D54357000051B82EF@news.giganews.com...

    On 19 Oct 2020, Busta Capp wrote
    (in article<e9mdnaUk7KV1khPCnZ2dnUU7-a3NnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

    At a billion bucks a pop nowadays, they better figure some way of
    recouping their costs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-E8rFt5Cvo

    Only a mere billion? I’m surprised Bill Gates doesn’t have one

    There will be shitloads of them on the market before long, each going for pennies on the dollar, with shareholders leaping tall buildings in a single bound, top-to-bottom: https://www.cruisehive.com/cruise-features/top-10-expensive-cruise-ships-in-world

    Some of the smaller ones could be converted into luxury yachts: http://cybercruises.com/orderbook.htm

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