• BOEING 737 MAX is a MAD COW DESEASE repeating itself

    From Byker@21:1/5 to Hiroko on Wed Jan 15 12:06:48 2020
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    "Hiroko" wrote in message news:qvnff1$pc7$1@dont-email.me...

    The Max is a goner. Even their own people are also passing off-comments of their fears of flying on that kind of "uncertainty" plane. People are
    afraid of seeing themselves dropped out of the plane and into the sky to ground zero.

    "China’s first jet, the ARJ21, is a heap of junk; even its Western avionics and engines are nearing their sell-by date. The C919 may be better, but
    since China’s industry is staying in the hands of the state, its products won’t challenge Airbus and Boeing in free markets anytime soon." http://www.richardaboulafia.com/shownote.asp?id=559

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  • From PhantomView@21:1/5 to Byker on Wed Jan 15 21:40:59 2020
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    On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:06:48 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "Hiroko" wrote in message news:qvnff1$pc7$1@dont-email.me...

    The Max is a goner. Even their own people are also passing off-comments of >> their fears of flying on that kind of "uncertainty" plane. People are
    afraid of seeing themselves dropped out of the plane and into the sky to
    ground zero.

    "China’s first jet, the ARJ21, is a heap of junk; even its Western avionics >and engines are nearing their sell-by date. The C919 may be better, but
    since China’s industry is staying in the hands of the state, its products >won’t challenge Airbus and Boeing in free markets anytime soon." >http://www.richardaboulafia.com/shownote.asp?id=559

    Chinese quality will improve, albeit slowly because of the
    underlying quasi-commie system. For now their jets will
    mostly be used for domestic/regional applications, which
    is just fine.

    However here, Boeing may wind up broken. The Max is
    clearly a heap of dangerous junk and now a lot of the
    employees are growing the balls to say so. It was sort
    of a "beta" version rushed to market. Nobody in management
    wanted to hear about any issues. This is going to cost
    dearly. The psychological factor alone is very bad, people
    are already associating the Boeing name with "death-trap".
    This contaminates even their older, much better, planes.

    Maybe they should have stuck with the 747 / 727 designs
    and just done gradual upgrades ?

    Any flirt with bankruptcy will also hurt the space program.
    Boeing is heavily involved there and their Orion capsule
    was what NASA built their new rockets around.

    Oh well, there ARE competitors waiting ...

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to PhantomView on Wed Jan 15 20:50:04 2020
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    "PhantomView" wrote in message news:ubiv1fdd8410tn41i5ojueqv855snr52pl@4ax.com...

    Maybe they should have stuck with the 747 / 727 designs and just done gradual upgrades ?

    They should've moved all the Maxes out to the Mojave Desert before they
    could deteriorate...

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  • From PhantomView@21:1/5 to Byker on Fri Jan 17 21:35:45 2020
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    On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 20:50:04 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "PhantomView" wrote in message >news:ubiv1fdd8410tn41i5ojueqv855snr52pl@4ax.com...

    Maybe they should have stuck with the 747 / 727 designs and just done
    gradual upgrades ?

    They should've moved all the Maxes out to the Mojave Desert before they
    could deteriorate...

    They have to be good for parts. The engines especially can
    be recycled immediately, put into some other companies
    new jets. The wheel s ought to be worth something. The
    rest, well, there is alway a market for recycled aluminum.

    I seem to remember seeing the body of some big old plane
    being converted into a roadside diner. "BurgerMAX" would be
    a great name. Open a chain of them .......

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  • From George@21:1/5 to PhantomView on Sun Jan 19 08:14:03 2020
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    On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 21:35:45 -0500
    PhantomView <pv@PhantomView114.net> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 20:50:04 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "PhantomView" wrote in message >news:ubiv1fdd8410tn41i5ojueqv855snr52pl@4ax.com...

    Maybe they should have stuck with the 747 / 727 designs and just
    done gradual upgrades ?

    They should've moved all the Maxes out to the Mojave Desert before
    they could deteriorate...

    They have to be good for parts. The engines especially can
    be recycled immediately, put into some other companies
    new jets. The wheel s ought to be worth something. The
    rest, well, there is alway a market for recycled aluminum.

    I seem to remember seeing the body of some big old plane
    being converted into a roadside diner. "BurgerMAX" would be
    a great name. Open a chain of them .......



    The aircraft are okay.
    Its just the software isn't fit for purpose.
    And aircrews have forgotten how to actually fly the aeroplane trusting
    the software

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to Byker on Sat Jan 18 12:24:40 2020
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    "PhantomView" wrote in message news:5dr42fh8lvogabli8uclkeuklhphne6lrv@4ax.com...

    On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 20:50:04 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    They should've moved all the Maxes out to the Mojave Desert before they >>could deteriorate...

    They have to be good for parts. The engines especially can
    be recycled immediately, put into some other companies
    new jets. The wheel s ought to be worth something. The
    rest, well, there is alway a market for recycled aluminum

    The instruments alone would be worth about $10 million per plane...

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 18 15:29:17 2020
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    "Jesus Christ is a lying JEW BASTARD" wrote in message news:162daf03-b622-48bb-a33d-cd6173be3340@googlegroups.com...

    How can you place a BIGGER MORE POWERFUL on an old design
    airframe ?

    Place the engines on top of the wing instead of under it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFW-Fokker_614#/media/File:VFW-Fokker_VFW-614,_Germany_-_Air_Force_AN0678240.jpg

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  • From PhantomView@21:1/5 to George on Sat Jan 18 21:28:40 2020
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    On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 08:14:03 +1300, George <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote:

    On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 21:35:45 -0500
    PhantomView <pv@PhantomView114.net> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 20:50:04 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "PhantomView" wrote in message
    news:ubiv1fdd8410tn41i5ojueqv855snr52pl@4ax.com...

    Maybe they should have stuck with the 747 / 727 designs and just
    done gradual upgrades ?

    They should've moved all the Maxes out to the Mojave Desert before
    they could deteriorate...

    They have to be good for parts. The engines especially can
    be recycled immediately, put into some other companies
    new jets. The wheel s ought to be worth something. The
    rest, well, there is alway a market for recycled aluminum.

    I seem to remember seeing the body of some big old plane
    being converted into a roadside diner. "BurgerMAX" would be
    a great name. Open a chain of them .......



    The aircraft are okay.
    Its just the software isn't fit for purpose.
    And aircrews have forgotten how to actually fly the aeroplane trusting
    the software

    I think it goes beyond just the software. According to some
    of the whistleblower employees there was a lot about the
    design that was poorly thought-out. That could lead to
    mechanical failures or even fires in the wiring later on.

    No ... I like the "BurgerMAX" diner chain idea :-)

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to PhantomView on Sun Jan 19 13:50:10 2020
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    "PhantomView" wrote in message news:mgf72fl2anm92tgnh5qugv3lfjefgtdv61@4ax.com...

    I think it goes beyond just the software. According to some
    of the whistleblower employees there was a lot about the
    design that was poorly thought-out. That could lead to
    mechanical failures or even fires in the wiring later on.

    I hear now they're having trouble with the wiring:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvV2Pmw4-vI

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