• Is Iran going to hide the black boxes from everyone?

    From Byker@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 8 19:52:45 2020
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    "Eric®" wrote in message
    news:MPG.38800200b3a637ee9896ec@news.albasani.net...

    "Iran's aviation authority has said it will not hand over flight recorders from the Ukraine International Airlines Boeing 737-800 plane that crashed moments after takeoff from Tehran, killing all 176 passengers and crew onboard, either to the aircraft's manufacturer or US aviation authorities.

    The statement was issued on Wednesday as the leaders of Ukraine and
    Canada, from which dozens of citizens died, vowed to identify the cause of the crash amid contradictory statements and swirling speculation." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/08/iran-says-it-will-not-give-black-box-from-crashed-airliner-to-boeing?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Maybe the Iranians shot down the airliner.

    That's what it's starting to look like: https://twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/1214756225293979648

    Iran Accidentally Shoots Down Boeing 737 Carrying Passengers From Tehran to Kiev

    Dubai’s Al Hadath news channel is reporting that Iran’s anti-aircraft units accidentally shot down a Boeing 727 passenger plane that was flying out of Tehran en route to Ukraine.

    According to Iranian authorities, the plane had 169 passengers and 9 crew members on board (total count: 178) — 147 were Iranians and 32 were foreigners, including Canadian, Swedish and Ukrainian nationals.

    Iranian – 82
    Canadian – 63
    Ukraine – 2 + 9 (crew)
    Sweden – 10
    Afghanistan – 4
    Germany – 3
    United Kingdom – 3

    Speculation is that the Iranian military mistook the plane for an incoming American missile. The takeoff was approximately two hours after Iran’s missile attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq. No American troops were killed in
    that earlier attack.

    This is an unconfirmed report.

    What is confirmed is that a Ukraine-bound Boeing 737 plane did in fact
    explode a few minutes after taking off from Imam Khomeini International Airport. It was Ukraine International Airline (UIA) flight number PS752
    headed for Boryspil International Airport, which is about 25 miles east of
    Kiev proper.

    Initial reports were that the plane crash was due to a technical failure. Later, Al Hadath added that the plane’s abrupt loss of speed on radar and
    the subsequent fireball indicate a mid-air explosion. The plane exploded mid-air above Shahriar, near Tehran. https://www.hollywoodlanews.com/iran-shot-down-boeing-737-plane/

    I smell something fishy: "Experts 'surprised' after Iranian authorities
    quickly attribute Boeing crash to engine failure": https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-plane-crash-iran-puzzles-experts-223804550.html

    "[M]any did agree that the plane may have suffered a sudden and violent catastrophic failure, either caused by an engine failure or missile attack. This was evidenced by the flight data that abruptly cut off during its
    climb, which was noted as 'very unusual'. Former inspector general of the
    U.S Department of Transportation Mary Schiavo criticized Iranian officials' quick decision to declare the cause of the crash as engine failure, claiming that 'There was no way for Iran to know it was engine failure.' An aviation monitoring group Opsgroup stated: "We would recommend the starting
    assumption to be that this was a shootdown event, similar to MH17 – until there is clear evidence to the contrary'..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_International_Airlines_Flight_752

    Excellent strategy Iran. Kill the few people willing to visit your shithole: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-plane-crash-shootdown-ukraine-boeing-latest-a9275051.html

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  • From PhantomView@21:1/5 to Byker on Wed Jan 8 21:10:18 2020
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    On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 19:52:45 -0600, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

    "Eric®" wrote in message >news:MPG.38800200b3a637ee9896ec@news.albasani.net...

    "Iran's aviation authority has said it will not hand over flight recorders >> from the Ukraine International Airlines Boeing 737-800 plane that crashed
    moments after takeoff from Tehran, killing all 176 passengers and crew
    onboard, either to the aircraft's manufacturer or US aviation authorities. >>
    The statement was issued on Wednesday as the leaders of Ukraine and
    Canada, from which dozens of citizens died, vowed to identify the cause of >> the crash amid contradictory statements and swirling speculation."
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/08/iran-says-it-will-not-give-black-box-from-crashed-airliner-to-boeing?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Maybe the Iranians shot down the airliner.

    That's what it's starting to look like: >https://twitter.com/isna_farsi/status/1214756225293979648


    The timing is WAY too coincidental.

    My guess is that they had their air defense system turned on and
    it screwed up, thought it was seeing a B-52.

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