• 9/11 wasn't the first time American airspace was cleared of all traffic

    From Byker@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 13 17:43:47 2020
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    Now you see them, now you don't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh4V9PZT2VY

    No way would today's public stand for clearing American airspace for the
    sake of "war games": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wx6npt421c

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  • From Keema's Nan@21:1/5 to Byker on Wed Oct 14 08:44:46 2020
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    On 13 Oct 2020, Byker wrote
    (in article<bfadnZcbibI-sBvCnZ2dnUU7-cnNnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

    Now you see them, now you don't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh4V9PZT2VY

    No way would today's public stand for clearing American airspace for the
    sake of "war games": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wx6npt421c

    Of course they would; because when Israel plays war games, everyone obeys.

    The irony is that the USA has supplied and paid for all those nukes, which
    are now pointed at them - and all other western capitals.

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  • From Keema's Nan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 14 12:47:34 2020
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    On 14 Oct 2020, Wolffan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2537176A01221CA0700001FCC38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

    On 14 Oct 2020, Keema's Nan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2536E3EE0001A89E7000008892EF@news.giganews.com>):

    On 13 Oct 2020, Byker wrote
    (in article<bfadnZcbibI-sBvCnZ2dnUU7-cnNnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

    Now you see them, now you don't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh4V9PZT2VY

    No way would today's public stand for clearing American airspace for the sake of "war games": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wx6npt421c

    Of course they would; because when Israel plays war games, everyone obeys.

    The irony is that the USA has supplied and paid for all those nukes, which are now pointed at them - and all other western capitals.

    Interesting.

    Not interesting at all.

    Just speculation, as you well know.

    When did Israel acquire a nuke delivery system capable of
    hitting Washington?

    Who knows?

    Hell, when did Israel acquire a nuke delivery system
    capable of hitting _London_? Or _Paris_? Or _Berlin_?

    Who knows?

    And... how, exactly,
    did you discover the targeting settings for Israel’s nukes? And why, exactly, would Israel aim at ‘all other western capitals’ instead of, oh, _Arab_ or _Iranian_ targets?

    I’m sure there are some pointing that way.

    If _I_ was aiming Israel’s nukes,

    But you are not and never will be.

    the target
    list would include the Aswan High Dam, Teheran, Baghdad, every oil field in Saudia, possibly targets in Turkey, Syria, Jordon. (Not Cairo, the wave of radioactive water coming down the Nile from Aswan would handle Cairo and Alexandria nicely)
    And the wave of radioactive fallout blowing on the wind would take out the population of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem - probably not the most well thought out strategy.

    And I’d keep a few for tactical use.

    Well well; and by tactical - might you include blackmail of western
    countries?

    But that’s me.

    And you seem not to have explained why Israel has such an hold over western governments, and their lapdog security services.

    No one bows down to other regimes just for the fun of it.

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 14 07:24:26 2020
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    On 14 Oct 2020, Keema's Nan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2536E3EE0001A89E7000008892EF@news.giganews.com>):

    On 13 Oct 2020, Byker wrote
    (in article<bfadnZcbibI-sBvCnZ2dnUU7-cnNnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

    Now you see them, now you don't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh4V9PZT2VY

    No way would today's public stand for clearing American airspace for the sake of "war games": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wx6npt421c

    Of course they would; because when Israel plays war games, everyone obeys.

    The irony is that the USA has supplied and paid for all those nukes, which are now pointed at them - and all other western capitals.

    Interesting. When did Israel acquire a nuke delivery system capable of
    hitting Washington? Hell, when did Israel acquire a nuke delivery system capable of hitting _London_? Or _Paris_? Or _Berlin_? And... how, exactly,
    did you discover the targeting settings for Israel’s nukes? And why,
    exactly, would Israel aim at ‘all other western capitals’ instead of, oh, _Arab_ or _Iranian_ targets? If _I_ was aiming Israel’s nukes, the target list would include the Aswan High Dam, Teheran, Baghdad, every oil field in Saudia, possibly targets in Turkey, Syria, Jordon. (Not Cairo, the wave of radioactive water coming down the Nile from Aswan would handle Cairo and Alexandria nicely) And I’d keep a few for tactical use. But that’s me.

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 14 07:57:50 2020
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    On 14 Oct 2020, Keema's Nan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.25371CD6000EFF0C7000008892EF@news.giganews.com>):

    On 14 Oct 2020, Wolffan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2537176A01221CA0700001FCC38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

    On 14 Oct 2020, Keema's Nan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2536E3EE0001A89E7000008892EF@news.giganews.com>):

    On 13 Oct 2020, Byker wrote
    (in article<bfadnZcbibI-sBvCnZ2dnUU7-cnNnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

    Now you see them, now you don't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh4V9PZT2VY

    No way would today's public stand for clearing American airspace for the
    sake of "war games": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wx6npt421c

    Of course they would; because when Israel plays war games, everyone obeys.

    The irony is that the USA has supplied and paid for all those nukes, which
    are now pointed at them - and all other western capitals.

    Interesting.

    Not interesting at all.

    Just speculation, as you well know.

    Not _just_ speculation.


    When did Israel acquire a nuke delivery system capable of
    hitting Washington?

    Who knows?

    So... no foundation. Thought so.


    Hell, when did Israel acquire a nuke delivery system
    capable of hitting _London_? Or _Paris_? Or _Berlin_?

    Who knows?

    Again...


    And... how, exactly,
    did you discover the targeting settings for Israel’s nukes? And why, exactly, would Israel aim at ‘all other western capitals’ instead of, oh,
    _Arab_ or _Iranian_ targets?

    I’m sure there are some pointing that way.

    If _I_ was aiming Israel’s nukes,

    But you are not and never will be.

    How do you know that I don’t have a pipeline into Airstrip One?


    the target
    list would include the Aswan High Dam, Teheran, Baghdad, every oil field in Saudia, possibly targets in Turkey, Syria, Jordon. (Not Cairo, the wave of radioactive water coming down the Nile from Aswan would handle Cairo and Alexandria nicely)
    And the wave of radioactive fallout blowing on the wind would take out the population of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem - probably not the most well thought out strategy.

    Prevailing winds don’t blow that way. They go mostly west, not north. I checked.


    And I’d keep a few for tactical use.

    Well well; and by tactical - might you include blackmail of western countries?

    Why?


    But that’s me.

    And you seem not to have explained why Israel has such an hold over western governments, and their lapdog security services.

    I have yet to see evidence of such a hold. Perhaps you could provide some?


    No one bows down to other regimes just for the fun of it.

    When did the various Western governments bow down to Israel? Dates and
    events, please.

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  • From Keema's Nan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 14 13:38:45 2020
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    On 14 Oct 2020, Wolffan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.25371F3E0123F276700001FCC38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

    On 14 Oct 2020, Keema's Nan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.25371CD6000EFF0C7000008892EF@news.giganews.com>):

    On 14 Oct 2020, Wolffan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2537176A01221CA0700001FCC38F@news.eternal-september.org>)
    :

    On 14 Oct 2020, Keema's Nan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2536E3EE0001A89E7000008892EF@news.giganews.com>):

    On 13 Oct 2020, Byker wrote
    (in article<bfadnZcbibI-sBvCnZ2dnUU7-cnNnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

    Now you see them, now you don't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh4V9PZT2VY

    No way would today's public stand for clearing American airspace for the
    sake of "war games": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wx6npt421c

    Of course they would; because when Israel plays war games, everyone obeys.

    The irony is that the USA has supplied and paid for all those nukes, which
    are now pointed at them - and all other western capitals.

    Interesting.

    Not interesting at all.

    Just speculation, as you well know.

    Not _just_ speculation.


    When did Israel acquire a nuke delivery system capable of
    hitting Washington?

    Who knows?

    So... no foundation. Thought so.

    Is that all you are interested in? Demolishing something which anyone with a few brain cells could see was just a wind up to see who would take the bait?




    Hell, when did Israel acquire a nuke delivery system
    capable of hitting _London_? Or _Paris_? Or _Berlin_?

    Who knows?

    Again...

    More ego points to you, no doubt.




    And... how, exactly,
    did you discover the targeting settings for Israel’s nukes? And why, exactly, would Israel aim at ‘all other western capitals’ instead of, oh,
    _Arab_ or _Iranian_ targets?

    I’m sure there are some pointing that way.

    If _I_ was aiming Israel’s nukes,

    But you are not and never will be.

    How do you know that I don’t have a pipeline into Airstrip One?

    Because you wouldn’t be wasting your time with childish point scoring, if
    you had.




    the target
    list would include the Aswan High Dam, Teheran, Baghdad, every oil field in
    Saudia, possibly targets in Turkey, Syria, Jordon. (Not Cairo, the wave of
    radioactive water coming down the Nile from Aswan would handle Cairo and Alexandria nicely)
    And the wave of radioactive fallout blowing on the wind would take out the population of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem - probably not the most well thought out
    strategy.

    Prevailing winds don’t blow that way. They go mostly west,

    (I think you mean east)

    not north. I checked.

    How high did you check?

    Remember that prevailing winds over the UK are mostly westerly, but that didn’t stop fallout from Chernobyl reaching Wales in quite dangerous concentrations.

    Also volcanic ash seems to manage to go around the planet at high level.




    And I’d keep a few for tactical use.

    Well well; and by tactical - might you include blackmail of western countries?

    Why?

    Because it is tactical.




    But that’s me.

    And you seem not to have explained why Israel has such an hold over western governments, and their lapdog security services.

    I have yet to see evidence of such a hold. Perhaps you could provide some?

    Have you never heard of Jeffrey Epstein?




    No one bows down to other regimes just for the fun of it.

    When did the various Western governments bow down to Israel? Dates and events, please.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9- 11/Israel_did_it#_e853b126bdc5dcce3ef60953c7ac3dab

    (Although as the official story insists - The idea that Israelis might have been involved in perpetrating or covering up the 9-11 event is "anti-semitic" in itself, and as such is not to be publicly expressed without immediate condemnation as such) and I’m such you will not take long to oblige.

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  • From Wolffan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 14 09:18:05 2020
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    On 14 Oct 2020, Keema's Nan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.253728D50011CECF7000008892EF@news.giganews.com>):

    On 14 Oct 2020, Wolffan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.25371F3E0123F276700001FCC38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

    On 14 Oct 2020, Keema's Nan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.25371CD6000EFF0C7000008892EF@news.giganews.com>):

    On 14 Oct 2020, Wolffan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2537176A01221CA0700001FCC38F@news.eternal-september.org>
    )

    On 14 Oct 2020, Keema's Nan wrote
    (in article<0001HW.2536E3EE0001A89E7000008892EF@news.giganews.com>):

    On 13 Oct 2020, Byker wrote
    (in article<bfadnZcbibI-sBvCnZ2dnUU7-cnNnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

    Now you see them, now you don't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh4V9PZT2VY

    No way would today's public stand for clearing American airspace for the
    sake of "war games": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wx6npt421c

    Of course they would; because when Israel plays war games, everyone obeys.

    The irony is that the USA has supplied and paid for all those nukes, which
    are now pointed at them - and all other western capitals.

    Interesting.

    Not interesting at all.

    Just speculation, as you well know.

    Not _just_ speculation.


    When did Israel acquire a nuke delivery system capable of
    hitting Washington?

    Who knows?

    So... no foundation. Thought so.

    Is that all you are interested in? Demolishing something which anyone with a few brain cells could see was just a wind up to see who would take the bait?

    Nah. I thought that I’d play with the local anti-semites, that’s all.





    Hell, when did Israel acquire a nuke delivery system
    capable of hitting _London_? Or _Paris_? Or _Berlin_?

    Who knows?

    Again...

    More ego points to you, no doubt.

    yep.





    And... how, exactly,
    did you discover the targeting settings for Israel’s nukes? And why, exactly, would Israel aim at ‘all other western capitals’ instead of,
    oh,
    _Arab_ or _Iranian_ targets?

    I’m sure there are some pointing that way.

    If _I_ was aiming Israel’s nukes,

    But you are not and never will be.

    How do you know that I don’t have a pipeline into Airstrip One?

    Because you wouldn’t be wasting your time with childish point scoring, if you had.

    And how can you prove _that_?





    the target
    list would include the Aswan High Dam, Teheran, Baghdad, every oil field
    in
    Saudia, possibly targets in Turkey, Syria, Jordon. (Not Cairo, the wave of
    radioactive water coming down the Nile from Aswan would handle Cairo and
    Alexandria nicely)
    And the wave of radioactive fallout blowing on the wind would take out the
    population of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem - probably not the most well thought out
    strategy.

    Prevailing winds don’t blow that way. They go mostly west,

    (I think you mean east)

    Just checking. Yep, it’s east. Tel Aviv is NNE.


    not north. I checked.

    How high did you check?

    far enough.


    Remember that prevailing winds over the UK are mostly westerly, but that didn’t stop fallout from Chernobyl reaching Wales in quite dangerous concentrations.

    that’s nice.


    Also volcanic ash seems to manage to go around the planet at high level.

    also nice. also irrelevant.





    And I’d keep a few for tactical use.

    Well well; and by tactical - might you include blackmail of western countries?

    Why?

    Because it is tactical.

    nope.





    But that’s me.

    And you seem not to have explained why Israel has such an hold over western
    governments, and their lapdog security services.

    I have yet to see evidence of such a hold. Perhaps you could provide some?

    Have you never heard of Jeffrey Epstein?

    yes. And?





    No one bows down to other regimes just for the fun of it.

    When did the various Western governments bow down to Israel? Dates and events, please.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9- 11/Israel_did_it#_e853b126bdc5dcce3ef60953c7ac3dab

    (Although as the official story insists - The idea that Israelis might have been involved in perpetrating or covering up the 9-11 event is "anti-semitic" in itself, and as such is not to be publicly expressed without immediate condemnation as such) and I’m such you will not take long to oblige.

    we already _know_ that you’re anti-semitic. Quoting from that soutce merely confirms it.

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  • From George@21:1/5 to Wolffan on Thu Oct 15 08:09:35 2020
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    On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 07:24:26 -0400
    Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    Interesting. When did Israel acquire a nuke delivery system capable
    of hitting Washington? Hell, when did Israel acquire a nuke delivery
    system capable of hitting _London_? Or _Paris_? Or _Berlin_? And...
    how, exactly, did you discover the targeting settings for Israel’s
    nukes? And why, exactly, would Israel aim at ‘all other western
    capitals’ instead of, oh, _Arab_ or _Iranian_ targets? If _I_ was
    aiming Israel’s nukes, the target list would include the Aswan High
    Dam, Teheran, Baghdad, every oil field in Saudia, possibly targets in
    Turkey, Syria, Jordon. (Not Cairo, the wave of radioactive water
    coming down the Nile from Aswan would handle Cairo and Alexandria
    nicely) And I’d keep a few for tactical use. But that’s me.


    As would the Israelis.
    Its the arabs who are their neighbours and enemies


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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 14 19:43:20 2020
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    "Peter Skelton" wrote in message news:12ae9534-7728-4d16-a708-b7d57f7aab01n@googlegroups.com...

    Apparently, for the last several years. Even Wiki knows it.

    As Dr. Theodore Taylor put it in John McFee's book,
    "The Curve of Binding Energy" (1978), you could hide
    a nuke in a golf bag or "deliver one in an oxcart."

    https://www.amazon.com/Curve-Binding-Energy-Alarming-Theodore/dp/0374515980/

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  • From Keema's Nan@21:1/5 to Byker on Thu Oct 15 09:10:42 2020
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    On 15 Oct 2020, Byker wrote
    (in article<eqOdndZQaP60BhrCnZ2dnUU7-SnNnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

    "Peter Skelton" wrote in message news:12ae9534-7728-4d16-a708-b7d57f7aab01n@googlegroups.com...

    Apparently, for the last several years. Even Wiki knows it.

    As Dr. Theodore Taylor put it in John McFee's book,
    "The Curve of Binding Energy" (1978), you could hide
    a nuke in a golf bag or "deliver one in an oxcart."

    https://www.amazon.com/Curve-Binding-Energy-Alarming-Theodore/dp/0374515980/

    It doesn’t have to be a ‘nuke’, as is generally accepted. Any quantity
    of highly radioactive substance carried by a suicide drone to its pre-planned crash site would cause chaos. Think about it.

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 15 13:32:16 2020
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    "Keema's Nan" wrote in message news:0001HW.25383B8200022ACC7000089462EF@news.giganews.com...

    It doesn’t have to be a ‘nuke’, as is generally accepted. Any quantity of
    highly radioactive substance carried by a suicide drone to its pre-planned crash site would cause chaos. Think about it.

    Since 2004 has anything changed AT ALL?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poZXRUxlaqk

    This one sure dropped down the memory hole in a hurry: https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/americas/mexico-radioactive-device-missing/index.html


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  • From Busta Capp@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 15 15:30:35 2020
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    "Keema's Nan" wrote in message news:0001HW.25383B8200022ACC7000089462EF@news.giganews.com...

    It doesn’t have to be a ‘nuke’, as is generally accepted. Any quantity of
    highly radioactive substance carried by a suicide drone to its pre-planned crash site would cause chaos. Think about it.

    No need for drone.

    Just leave some in a ghetto or barrio for the untermenschen to find:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5tEjXGHNeg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhL0xQzPSy8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjTJJEft3M


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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Keema's Nan on Thu Oct 15 20:57:54 2020
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    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 10/15/2020 3:10 AM, Keema's Nan wrote:
    On 15 Oct 2020, Byker wrote
    (in article<eqOdndZQaP60BhrCnZ2dnUU7-SnNnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

    "Peter Skelton" wrote in message
    news:12ae9534-7728-4d16-a708-b7d57f7aab01n@googlegroups.com...

    Apparently, for the last several years. Even Wiki knows it.

    As Dr. Theodore Taylor put it in John McFee's book,
    "The Curve of Binding Energy" (1978), you could hide
    a nuke in a golf bag or "deliver one in an oxcart."

    https://www.amazon.com/Curve-Binding-Energy-Alarming-Theodore/dp/0374515980/

    It doesn’t have to be a ‘nuke’, as is generally accepted. Any quantity of highly radioactive substance carried by a suicide drone to its pre-planned crash site would cause chaos. Think about it.

    The real threat is biological. Anyone recall the Neutron Bomb of Yore?
    That threat died on the vine.




    bnVsbA==

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Fri Oct 16 15:03:05 2020
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    "PaxPerPoten" wrote in message news:rmaun2$v55$1@dont-email.me...

    The real threat is biological.

    The main drawback to that is that you can't keep
    an epidemic confined to a geographical area...

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