• 2021 March tournament Day 3 result

    From Kobayashi Toshiharu@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 16 02:11:01 2021
    2021 March hoshitori
    Higashi Nishi
    Makuuchi
    Shikona Rank Shikona
    Hakuho OO# Yokozuna Kakuryu aaa
    Shodai *OO Ozeki Asanoyama O*O
    Takakeisho OO* Ozeki
    Terunofuji OOO Sekiwake Takanosho O*O
    Takayasu *OO Komusubi Mitakeumi OO*
    Komusubi Daieisho ***
    Takarafuji *** M.1 Onosho **%
    Hokutofuji *O* M.2 Wakatakakage **O
    Meisei O*O M.3 Shimanoumi O**
    Kiribayama *O* M.4 Myogiryu OOO
    Endo *** M.5 Okinoumi O**
    Tamawashi *OO M.6 Ichinojo OOO
    Tochinoshin **O M.7 Kagayaki OO*
    Kotonowaka *O* M.8 Tobizaru **O
    Chiyonokuni O*O M.9 Hoshoryu *O*
    Midorifuji OO* M.10 Ryuden **%
    Chiyotairyu O*O M.11 Kotoshoho **#
    Akiseyama OO* M.12 Aoiyama OO*
    Terutsuyoshi **O M.13 Chiyoshoma *OO
    Kotoeko OO* M.14 Tsurugisho ***
    Yutakayama O** M.15 Hidenoumi OO*
    Kaisei *OO M.16 Daiamami O*O

    Yusho:
    Shukunsho:
    Kantosho:
    Ginosho:

    Juryo
    Shikona Rank Shikona
    Tokushoryu **O J.1 Akua O**
    Ishiura *OO J.2 Daishomaru ***
    Chiyomaru O*O J.3 Chiyonoo *OO
    Enho OOO J.4 Sadanoumi *O*
    Churanoumi O** J.5 Kyokushuho **O
    Wakamotoharu OOO J.6 Chiyootori ***
    Ura OO* J.7 Azumaryu OO*
    Kyokutaisei **O J.8 Shohozan *OO
    Mitoryu O** J.9 Hakuyozan O**
    Takagenji *OO J.10 Yago OOO
    Tohakuryu *O* J.11 Takakento ***
    Chiyonoumi O*O J.12 Nishikifuji O*O
    Jokoryu *** J.13 Nishikigi OO*
    Bushozan *OO J.14 Ichiyamamoto OO*

    Yusho:

    O:win *:loss %:win by default #:lose by default
    a:stay away from the ring +:kachi-koshi -:make-koshi

    2021 March Day 3 kekka

    Juryo
    Higashi kimarite Nishi
    Bushozan 2-1 O tsukiotoshi * Ichiyamamoto 2-1
    Kotokuzan 1-1 O okuridashi * Nishikigi 2-1
    Chiyonoumi 2-1 O oshidashi * Jokoryu 0-3
    Nishikifuji 2-1 O yorikiri * Takakento 0-3
    Takagenji 2-1 O oshidashi * Tohakuryu 1-2
    Yago 3-0 O oshidashi * Hakuyozan 1-2
    Kyokutaisei 1-2 O oshidashi * Mitoryu 1-2
    Shohozan 2-1 O oshidashi * Azumaryu 2-1
    Wakamotoharu 3-0 O hatakikomi * Ura 2-1
    Chiyootori 0-3 * yorikiri O Kyokushuho 1-2
    Churanoumi 1-2 * yorikiri O Chiyonoo 2-1
    Chiyomaru 2-1 O tsukidashi * Sadanoumi 1-2
    Enho 3-0 O sukuinage * Daishomaru 0-3
    Tokushoryu 1-2 O uwatenage * Akua 1-2

    Makuuchi
    Higashi kimarite Nishi
    Ishiura 2-1 O uwatehineri * Hidenoumi 2-1
    Yutakayama 1-2 * tsukiotoshi O Daiamami 2-1
    Kaisei 2-1 O yorikiri * Tsurugisho 0-3
    Terutsuyoshi 1-2 O oshidashi * Kotoeko 2-1
    Chiyoshoma 2-1 O sukuinage * Aoiyama 2-1
    Chiyotairyu 2-1 O tsukiotoshi * Akiseyama 2-1
    Kotoshoho 0-3 # fusen % Ryuden 1-2
    Chiyonokuni 2-1 O yoritaoshi * Midorifuji 2-1
    Hoshoryu 1-2 * tsukidashi O Tobizaru 1-2
    Tochinoshin 1-2 O oshidashi * Kotonowaka 1-2
    Kagayaki 2-1 * sukuinage O Ichinojo 3-0
    Endo 0-3 * tsukidashi O Tamawashi 2-1
    Okinoumi 1-2 * yorikiri O Myogiryu 3-0
    Meisei 2-1 O yoritaoshi * Kiribayama 1-2
    Takayasu 2-1 O oshidashi * Shimanoumi 1-2
    Mitakeumi 2-1 * oshidashi O Takanosho 2-1
    Terunofuji 3-0 O yoritaoshi * Daieisho 0-3
    Hokutofuji 1-2 * oshitaoshi O Asanoyama 2-1
    Shodai 2-1 O yorikiri * Takarafuji 0-3
    Takakeisho 2-1 * yorikiri O Wakatakakage 1-2
    Hakuho 2-1 # fusen % Onosho 1-2

    ---
    Kobayashi Toshiharu

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  • From Bruce Scott@21:1/5 to Kobayashi Toshiharu on Tue Mar 16 18:06:04 2021
    On 2021-03-16, Kobayashi Toshiharu <kobayashi512@gmail.com> wrote:
    2021 March hoshitori
    Higashi Nishi
    Makuuchi
    Shikona Rank Shikona
    Hakuho OO# Yokozuna Kakuryu aaa

    This might really be it now. That's the same knee he injured last Fall,
    and his doctor is said to have told him he cannot continue in his current condition without another surgery. He sat one out already due to Covid,
    now this after two wins. The article says he will decide his future at
    the Nagoya Basho in July.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2021/03/16/sumo/ hakuho-withdraws-spring-basho/

    --
    ciao, Bruce

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  • From Louis Epstein@21:1/5 to Bruce Scott on Wed Mar 17 02:48:10 2021
    Bruce Scott <bds@lapcu-0168.aug.ipp.mpg.de> wrote:
    On 2021-03-16, Kobayashi Toshiharu <kobayashi512@gmail.com> wrote:
    2021 March hoshitori
    Higashi Nishi
    Makuuchi
    Shikona Rank Shikona
    Hakuho OO# Yokozuna Kakuryu aaa

    This might really be it now. That's the same knee he injured last Fall,
    and his doctor is said to have told him he cannot continue in his current condition without another surgery. He sat one out already due to Covid,
    now this after two wins. The article says he will decide his future at
    the Nagoya Basho in July.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2021/03/16/sumo/ hakuho-withdraws-spring-basho/


    It's getting to be time for it to be official that there are no active yokozuna.

    This way Hakuho can go out with under 200 makuuchi losses...he actually
    has 199 counting this default loss AND leads second-place Kaio by 199
    on the makuuchi career win list.

    He may make an appearance in the Olympic ceremonies but it can be a
    retirement thing.

    Kakuryu's maybe-next-time comebacks have gone on long enough.

    At the extreme opposite end of the banzuke,Sawaisamu has recorded
    his 475th career jonokuchi defeat.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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  • From Toronto Backlawn@21:1/5 to Louis Epstein on Thu Mar 18 15:18:17 2021
    On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 02:48:10 +0000, Louis Epstein wrote:

    Bruce Scott <bds@lapcu-0168.aug.ipp.mpg.de> wrote:
    On 2021-03-16, Kobayashi Toshiharu <kobayashi512@gmail.com> wrote:
    2021 March hoshitori Higashi Nishi Makuuchi
    Shikona Rank Shikona Hakuho OO# Yokozuna
    Kakuryu aaa

    This might really be it now. That's the same knee he injured last
    Fall, and his doctor is said to have told him he cannot continue in his
    current condition without another surgery. He sat one out already due
    to Covid, now this after two wins. The article says he will decide his
    future at the Nagoya Basho in July.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2021/03/16/sumo/
    hakuho-withdraws-spring-basho/


    It's getting to be time for it to be official that there are no active yokozuna.

    This way Hakuho can go out with under 200 makuuchi losses...he actually
    has 199 counting this default loss AND leads second-place Kaio by 199 on
    the makuuchi career win list.

    He may make an appearance in the Olympic ceremonies but it can be a retirement thing.

    Kakuryu's maybe-next-time comebacks have gone on long enough.

    At the extreme opposite end of the banzuke,Sawaisamu has recorded his
    475th career jonokuchi defeat.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

    Re: Hakuho's accumlated loss in makuuchi record - I did not know that statistic! I hadn't thought of the impact of withdraws on a stat that, as
    you indicate, would definitely be something worth maintaining for the
    great man.

    I agree with what, more broadly, that you imply: that thinking needs to
    adjust into a post yokozuna, post Hak/Kak realm. On that note, has Kakuryu given any indication of what his post-pro career plans may be (whether in
    word or "I got citizenship" etc action?)

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  • From Louis Epstein@21:1/5 to Toronto Backlawn on Thu Mar 18 21:09:24 2021
    Toronto Backlawn <joe@arthwere.tzq> wrote:
    On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 02:48:10 +0000, Louis Epstein wrote:

    Bruce Scott <bds@lapcu-0168.aug.ipp.mpg.de> wrote:
    On 2021-03-16, Kobayashi Toshiharu <kobayashi512@gmail.com> wrote:
    2021 March hoshitori Higashi Nishi Makuuchi
    Shikona Rank Shikona Hakuho OO# Yokozuna
    Kakuryu aaa

    This might really be it now. That's the same knee he injured last
    Fall, and his doctor is said to have told him he cannot continue in his
    current condition without another surgery. He sat one out already due
    to Covid, now this after two wins. The article says he will decide his
    future at the Nagoya Basho in July.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2021/03/16/sumo/
    hakuho-withdraws-spring-basho/


    It's getting to be time for it to be official that there are no active
    yokozuna.

    This way Hakuho can go out with under 200 makuuchi losses...he actually
    has 199 counting this default loss AND leads second-place Kaio by 199 on
    the makuuchi career win list.

    He may make an appearance in the Olympic ceremonies but it can be a
    retirement thing.

    Kakuryu's maybe-next-time comebacks have gone on long enough.

    At the extreme opposite end of the banzuke,Sawaisamu has recorded his
    475th career jonokuchi defeat.


    Re: Hakuho's accumlated loss in makuuchi record - I did not know that statistic! I hadn't thought of the impact of withdraws on a stat that, as
    you indicate, would definitely be something worth maintaining for the
    great man.

    For some time,I had wondered how far he could go in wins while
    still having fewer losses than Taiho,but he didn't stop at that point.

    Here he is as is with all the yokozuna with more than 199 makuuchi
    losses for comparison.(Akebono had 198).

    YOKOZUNA BORN-PROMOTED-RETIRED-DIED MAKUUCHI BOUTS YUSHO
    SHIKONA WON LOST
    *Hakuho 1985-7/2007-active 1078++ 199++ 44+
    Chiyonofuji 1955-7/1981-5/1991-7/2016 807 253 31
    Kitanoumi 1953-7/1974-1/1985-11/2015 804 247 24
    Kisenosato 1986-3/2017-1/2019-alive 714 453 2
    Harumafuji 1984-11/2012-11/2017-alive 712 373 9
    Musashimaru 1971-7/1999-11/2003-alive 706 267 12
    Takanohana 1972-1/1995-1/2003-alive 701 217 22
    *Kakuryu 1985-3/2014-active 645++ 394++ 6+
    Wajima 1948-5/1973-3/1981-2018 620 213 14
    Kashiwado 1938-9/1961-7/1969-1996 599 240 5
    Kitanofuji 1942-1/1970-7/1974-alive 592 294 10
    Kotozakura 1940-1/1973-7/1974-2007 553 345 5
    Wakanohana 1 1928-1/1958-5/1962-9/2010 546 235 10
    Mienoumi 1948-7/1979-11/1980-alive 543 413 3
    Tochinishiki 1925-10/1954-5/1960-1990 513 203 10
    Wakanohana 2 1953-5/1978-1/1983-alive 512 234 4
    Asahifuji 1960-7/1990-1/1991-alive 487 277 4
    Wakanohana 3 1971-7/1998-3/2000-alive 487 249 5
    Tamanoumi 1944-1/1970-10/1971(death) 469 221 6
    Hokutoumi 1963-5/1987-5/1992-alive 465 206 8
    Takanosato 1952-7/1983-1/1986-11/2011 464 313 4
    Asashio 1929-5/1959-1/1962-1988 431 248 5
    Onokuni 1962-9/1987-7/1991-alive 426 228 2

    Ozeki Kaio had 879 makuuchi wins at retirement in July 2011.

    I agree with what, more broadly, that you imply: that thinking needs to adjust into a post yokozuna, post Hak/Kak realm. On that note, has Kakuryu given any indication of what his post-pro career plans may be (whether in word or "I got citizenship" etc action?)

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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