Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
******
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>,
davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>,
davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism
By Yuval Noah Harari
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
Yuval Noah Harari is the author of ?Sapiens,? ?Homo Deus? and ?Unstoppable Us? and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to criticize about the way
But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone who wants peace mustcondemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas?s complete disarmament.
Moreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn?t a morality tale.has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty more than qualifications,
The real explanation for Israel?s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an incompetent prime minister. He
The coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shameless opportunists, who ignored Israel?s many problems ? including the deteriorating security situation ? and focused insteadon grabbing unlimited power for themselves. In pursuit of this goal, they adopted extremely divisive policies, spread outrageous conspiracy theories about state institutions that oppose their policies, and labeled the
The government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF?s chief of staff asked for ameeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government?s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahu fired him. He was then
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>,
davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
By Yuval Noah Harari
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
Yuval Noah Harari is the author of “Sapiens,” “Homo Deus” and “Unstoppable Us” and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to criticize about the way
But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone who wants peace mustcondemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas’s complete disarmament.
Moreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn’t a morality tale.has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty more than qualifications, took credit for every success
The real explanation for Israel’s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an incompetent prime minister. He
The coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shameless opportunists, who ignored Israel’s many problems — including the deteriorating security situation — and focusedinstead on grabbing unlimited power for themselves. In pursuit of this goal, they adopted extremely divisive policies, spread outrageous conspiracy theories about state institutions that oppose their policies, and labeled the country’s serving elites
The government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF’s chief of staff asked for ameeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government’s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahu fired him. He was then forced to reinstate
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:36:53 AM UTC-4, Ja-Son-Wan-Kenobi Has the High Ground wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
By Yuval Noah Harari
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.Yuval Noah Harari is the author of “Sapiens,” “Homo Deus” and “Unstoppable Us” and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to criticize about the way
condemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas’s complete disarmament.But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone who wants peace must
He has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty more than qualifications, took credit for everyMoreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn’t a morality tale.
The real explanation for Israel’s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an incompetent prime minister.
instead on grabbing unlimited power for themselves. In pursuit of this goal, they adopted extremely divisive policies, spread outrageous conspiracy theories about state institutions that oppose their policies, and labeled the country’s serving elitesThe coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shameless opportunists, who ignored Israel’s many problems — including the deteriorating security situation — and focused
meeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government’s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahu fired him. He was then forced to reinstateThe government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF’s chief of staff asked for a
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.Israel dropped the ball on this. They should have known it was coming - and should have been able to prevent a lot of it.
However - your 'populist' shit against Bibi is just that - shit.
The problem is that the 'Palestinians' have never once considered making even the slightest COMPROMISE with Israel. In fact, they have never even hinted that they would be willing to negotiate with Jews at all.
The 'Palestinians' only goal is to kill Jews. They have stated this over and over. And they reached their goal this week.
Golda Meir said it best... You can't negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.
The Pallies don't want to talk. They only want to kill. So - Israel needs to respond in kind. Blow them up.
There never is an excuse to kill Jews.
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:46:13PM UTC-4, P-Dub wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:36:53AM UTC-4, Ja-Son-Wan-Kenobi Has the High Ground wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
By Yuval Noah Harari
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.Yuval Noah Harari is the author of ?Sapiens,? ?Homo Deus? and ?Unstoppable Us? and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to criticize about the way
must condemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas?s complete disarmament.But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone who wants peace
He has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty more thanMoreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn?t a morality tale.
The real explanation for Israel?s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an incompetent prime minister.
far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shameless opportunists, who ignored Israel?s many problems ? including theThe coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by
meeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government?s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahu fired him. He wasThe government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF?s chief of staff asked for a
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.Israel dropped the ball on this. They should have known it was coming - and should have been able to prevent a lot of it.
However - your 'populist' shit against Bibi is just that - shit.
The problem is that the 'Palestinians' have never once considered making even the slightest COMPROMISE with Israel. In fact, they have never even hinted that they would be willing to negotiate with Jews at all.
The 'Palestinians' only goal is to kill Jews. They have stated this over and over. And they reached their goal this week.
Werent you one of the guys crying " BIDEN MUST RESIGN!! " -- after the cock up in Afghanistan.
I mean, i kinda recall that, I could be wrong. And now Hamas stages a Tet Offensive/Pearl Harbor against the biggest military in the Middle East and now you're all "BIBI MUST STAY"
Do I have that correct? Tell me if I'm wrong.
Golda Meir said it best... You can't negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.
The Pallies don't want to talk. They only want to kill. So - Israel needs to respond in kind. Blow them up.
There never is an excuse to kill Jews.
Your knowledge of Middle Eastern Geo-politics is only SLIGHTLY better than Skeeter's.
The average Palestinian has been trapped between Hamas, the PLO and Israel for over 35 years. It's hell living in Gaza.
Basically, if I was trying to create an environment where it would be guaranteed to foster future terrorists and extremists -- it would look EXACTLY like Gaza.
And the Israeli government -- the hard liners -- They LOVE IT. Because it guarantees keeping them in power.
And Hamas loves it because hatred against Israel needs to be stoked to keep what support they have.
How many future terrorists are going to created over the next 4-5 months?
In article <671d9e7d-dde3-4559...@googlegroups.com>,
jebediah....@gmail.com says...
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:46:13 PM UTC-4, P-Dub wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:36:53 AM UTC-4, Ja-Son-Wan-Kenobi Has the High Ground wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
By Yuval Noah Harari
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.Yuval Noah Harari is the author of ?Sapiens,? ?Homo Deus? and ?Unstoppable Us? and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to criticize about the way
must condemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas?s complete disarmament.But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone who wants peace
He has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty more thanMoreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn?t a morality tale.
The real explanation for Israel?s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an incompetent prime minister.
qualifications, took credit for every success while never taking responsibility for failures, and seemed to give little importance to either telling or hearing the truth.meeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government?s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahu fired him. He was
far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shameless opportunists, who ignored Israel?s many problems ? including the deteriorating security situation ? and focused instead on grabbingThe coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by
unlimited power for themselves. In pursuit of this goal, they adopted extremely divisive policies, spread outrageous conspiracy theories about state institutions that oppose their policies, and labeled the country's serving elites as ?deep state? traitors.
The government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF?s chief of staff asked for a
then forced to reinstate Gallant only because of an outbreak of popular outrage. Such behavior over many years enabled a calamity to strike Israel.
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.Israel dropped the ball on this. They should have known it was coming - and should have been able to prevent a lot of it.
However - your 'populist' shit against Bibi is just that - shit.
The problem is that the 'Palestinians' have never once considered making even the slightest COMPROMISE with Israel. In fact, they have never even hinted that they would be willing to negotiate with Jews at all.
The 'Palestinians' only goal is to kill Jews. They have stated this over and over. And they reached their goal this week.
Werent you one of the guys crying " BIDEN MUST RESIGN!! " -- after the cock up in Afghanistan.
I mean, i kinda recall that, I could be wrong. And now Hamas stages a Tet Offensive/Pearl Harbor against the biggest military in the Middle East and now you're all "BIBI MUST STAY"
Do I have that correct? Tell me if I'm wrong.
Golda Meir said it best... You can't negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.
The Pallies don't want to talk. They only want to kill. So - Israel needs to respond in kind. Blow them up.
There never is an excuse to kill Jews.
Your knowledge of Middle Eastern Geo-politics is only SLIGHTLY better than Skeeter's.Gonna get worse real soon thanks to Hamas.
The average Palestinian has been trapped between Hamas, the PLO and Israel for over 35 years. It's hell living in Gaza.
Basically, if I was trying to create an environment where it would be guaranteed to foster future terrorists and extremists -- it would look EXACTLY like Gaza.
And the Israeli government -- the hard liners -- They LOVE IT. Because it guarantees keeping them in power.
And Hamas loves it because hatred against Israel needs to be stoked to keep what support they have.
How many future terrorists are going to created over the next 4-5 months?We help to create them by ignoring them.
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 11:01:32AM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <671d9e7d-dde3-4559...@googlegroups.com>,
jebediah....@gmail.com says...
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:46:13 PM UTC-4, P-Dub wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:36:53 AM UTC-4, Ja-Son-Wan-Kenobi Has the High Ground wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
By Yuval Noah Harari
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
way Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.Yuval Noah Harari is the author of ?Sapiens,? ?Homo Deus? and ?Unstoppable Us? and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to criticize about the
must condemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas?s complete disarmament.But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone who wants peace
minister. He has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty more thanMoreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn?t a morality tale.
The real explanation for Israel?s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an incompetent prime
a meeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government?s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahu fired him. Hequalifications, took credit for every success while never taking responsibility for failures, and seemed to give little importance to either telling or hearing the truth.
far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shameless opportunists, who ignored Israel?s many problems ? including the deteriorating security situation ? and focused instead on grabbing unlimited power for themselves. In pursuit of this goal, they adopted extremely divisive policies, spread outrageous conspiracy theories about state institutions that oppose their policies, and labeled the country's serving elites as ?deep state? traitors.The coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by
The government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF?s chief of staff asked for
then forced to reinstate Gallant only because of an outbreak of popular outrage. Such behavior over many years enabled a calamity to strike Israel.
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.Israel dropped the ball on this. They should have known it was coming - and should have been able to prevent a lot of it.
However - your 'populist' shit against Bibi is just that - shit.
The problem is that the 'Palestinians' have never once considered making even the slightest COMPROMISE with Israel. In fact, they have never even hinted that they would be willing to negotiate with Jews at all.
The 'Palestinians' only goal is to kill Jews. They have stated this over and over. And they reached their goal this week.
Werent you one of the guys crying " BIDEN MUST RESIGN!! " -- after the cock up in Afghanistan.
I mean, i kinda recall that, I could be wrong. And now Hamas stages a Tet Offensive/Pearl Harbor against the biggest military in the Middle East and now you're all "BIBI MUST STAY"
Do I have that correct? Tell me if I'm wrong.
Golda Meir said it best... You can't negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.
The Pallies don't want to talk. They only want to kill. So - Israel needs to respond in kind. Blow them up.
There never is an excuse to kill Jews.
Your knowledge of Middle Eastern Geo-politics is only SLIGHTLY better than Skeeter's.Gonna get worse real soon thanks to Hamas.
The average Palestinian has been trapped between Hamas, the PLO and Israel for over 35 years. It's hell living in Gaza.
Basically, if I was trying to create an environment where it would be guaranteed to foster future terrorists and extremists -- it would look EXACTLY like Gaza.
And the Israeli government -- the hard liners -- They LOVE IT. Because it guarantees keeping them in power.
And Hamas loves it because hatred against Israel needs to be stoked to keep what support they have.
How many future terrorists are going to created over the next 4-5 months?We help to create them by ignoring them.
Shush. Adults are talking.
In article <0f0f3ab7-8044-418b...@googlegroups.com>,
davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 11:01:32 AM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <671d9e7d-dde3-4559...@googlegroups.com>, jebediah....@gmail.com says...
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:46:13 PM UTC-4, P-Dub wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:36:53 AM UTC-4, Ja-Son-Wan-Kenobi Has the High Ground wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
By Yuval Noah Harari
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
way Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.Yuval Noah Harari is the author of ?Sapiens,? ?Homo Deus? and ?Unstoppable Us? and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to criticize about the
peace must condemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas?s complete disarmament.But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone who wants
minister. He has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty more thanMoreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn?t a morality tale.
The real explanation for Israel?s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an incompetent prime
for a meeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government?s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahu fired him. Hequalifications, took credit for every success while never taking responsibility for failures, and seemed to give little importance to either telling or hearing the truth.
far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shameless opportunists, who ignored Israel?s many problems ? including the deteriorating security situation ? and focused instead on grabbing unlimited power for themselves. In pursuit of this goal, they adopted extremely divisive policies, spread outrageous conspiracy theories about state institutions that oppose their policies, and labeled the country's serving elites as ?deep state? traitors.The coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by
The government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF?s chief of staff asked
was
then forced to reinstate Gallant only because of an outbreak of popular outrage. Such behavior over many years enabled a calamity to strike Israel.
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.Israel dropped the ball on this. They should have known it was coming - and should have been able to prevent a lot of it.
However - your 'populist' shit against Bibi is just that - shit.
The problem is that the 'Palestinians' have never once considered making even the slightest COMPROMISE with Israel. In fact, they have never even hinted that they would be willing to negotiate with Jews at all.
The 'Palestinians' only goal is to kill Jews. They have stated this over and over. And they reached their goal this week.
Werent you one of the guys crying " BIDEN MUST RESIGN!! " -- after the cock up in Afghanistan.
I mean, i kinda recall that, I could be wrong. And now Hamas stages a Tet Offensive/Pearl Harbor against the biggest military in the Middle East and now you're all "BIBI MUST STAY"
Do I have that correct? Tell me if I'm wrong.
Golda Meir said it best... You can't negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.
The Pallies don't want to talk. They only want to kill. So - Israel needs to respond in kind. Blow them up.
There never is an excuse to kill Jews.
Your knowledge of Middle Eastern Geo-politics is only SLIGHTLY better than Skeeter's.Gonna get worse real soon thanks to Hamas.
The average Palestinian has been trapped between Hamas, the PLO and Israel for over 35 years. It's hell living in Gaza.
Basically, if I was trying to create an environment where it would be guaranteed to foster future terrorists and extremists -- it would look EXACTLY like Gaza.
And the Israeli government -- the hard liners -- They LOVE IT. Because it guarantees keeping them in power.
And Hamas loves it because hatred against Israel needs to be stoked to keep what support they have.
How many future terrorists are going to created over the next 4-5 months?We help to create them by ignoring them.
Shush. Adults are talking.I knew you would run from that one.
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:55:22PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <0f0f3ab7-8044-418b...@googlegroups.com>,
davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 11:01:32 AM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <671d9e7d-dde3-4559...@googlegroups.com>, jebediah....@gmail.com says...
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:46:13 PM UTC-4, P-Dub wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:36:53 AM UTC-4, Ja-Son-Wan-Kenobi Has the High Ground wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
By Yuval Noah Harari
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
the way Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.Yuval Noah Harari is the author of ?Sapiens,? ?Homo Deus? and ?Unstoppable Us? and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to criticize about
peace must condemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas?s complete disarmament.But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone who wants
minister. He has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty more thanMoreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn?t a morality tale.
The real explanation for Israel?s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an incompetent prime
for a meeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government?s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahu fired him.qualifications, took credit for every success while never taking responsibility for failures, and seemed to give little importance to either telling or hearing the truth.
far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shameless opportunists, who ignored Israel?s many problems ? including the deteriorating security situation ? and focused instead on grabbing unlimited power for themselves. In pursuit of this goal, they adopted extremely divisive policies, spread outrageous conspiracy theories aboutThe coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by
state institutions that oppose their policies, and labeled the country's
serving elites as ?deep state? traitors.
The government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF?s chief of staff asked
was
then forced to reinstate Gallant only because of an outbreak of popular outrage. Such behavior over many years enabled a calamity to strike Israel.
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.Israel dropped the ball on this. They should have known it was coming - and should have been able to prevent a lot of it.
However - your 'populist' shit against Bibi is just that - shit.
The problem is that the 'Palestinians' have never once considered making even the slightest COMPROMISE with Israel. In fact, they have never even hinted that they would be willing to negotiate with Jews at all.
The 'Palestinians' only goal is to kill Jews. They have stated this over and over. And they reached their goal this week.
Werent you one of the guys crying " BIDEN MUST RESIGN!! " -- after the cock up in Afghanistan.
I mean, i kinda recall that, I could be wrong. And now Hamas stages a Tet Offensive/Pearl Harbor against the biggest military in the Middle East and now you're all "BIBI MUST STAY"
Do I have that correct? Tell me if I'm wrong.
Golda Meir said it best... You can't negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.
The Pallies don't want to talk. They only want to kill. So - Israel needs to respond in kind. Blow them up.
There never is an excuse to kill Jews.
Your knowledge of Middle Eastern Geo-politics is only SLIGHTLY better than Skeeter's.Gonna get worse real soon thanks to Hamas.
The average Palestinian has been trapped between Hamas, the PLO and Israel for over 35 years. It's hell living in Gaza.
Basically, if I was trying to create an environment where it would be guaranteed to foster future terrorists and extremists -- it would look EXACTLY like Gaza.
And the Israeli government -- the hard liners -- They LOVE IT. Because it guarantees keeping them in power.
And Hamas loves it because hatred against Israel needs to be stoked to keep what support they have.
How many future terrorists are going to created over the next 4-5 months?We help to create them by ignoring them.
Shush. Adults are talking.I knew you would run from that one.
I'm allergic to your stupidity. Sue me.
In article <a84e1612-19cf-49c2...@googlegroups.com>,
davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:55:22 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <0f0f3ab7-8044-418b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 11:01:32 AM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <671d9e7d-dde3-4559...@googlegroups.com>, jebediah....@gmail.com says...
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:46:13 PM UTC-4, P-Dub wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:36:53 AM UTC-4, Ja-Son-Wan-Kenobi Has the High Ground wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
By Yuval Noah Harari
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
the way Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.Yuval Noah Harari is the author of ?Sapiens,? ?Homo Deus? and ?Unstoppable Us? and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to criticize about
peace must condemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas?s complete disarmament.But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone who wants
minister. He has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty more thanMoreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn?t a morality tale.
The real explanation for Israel?s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an incompetent prime
asked for a meeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government?s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahu fired him.qualifications, took credit for every success while never taking responsibility for failures, and seemed to give little importance to either telling or hearing the truth.
far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shameless opportunists, who ignored Israel?s many problems ? including the deteriorating security situation ? and focused instead on grabbing unlimited power for themselves. In pursuit of this goal, they adoptedThe coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by
extremely divisive policies, spread outrageous conspiracy theories about
state institutions that oppose their policies, and labeled the country's
serving elites as ?deep state? traitors.
The government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF?s chief of staff
HeThen PLEASE shut the hell up
was
then forced to reinstate Gallant only because of an outbreak of popular outrage. Such behavior over many years enabled a calamity to strike Israel.
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.Israel dropped the ball on this. They should have known it was coming - and should have been able to prevent a lot of it.
However - your 'populist' shit against Bibi is just that - shit.
The problem is that the 'Palestinians' have never once considered making even the slightest COMPROMISE with Israel. In fact, they have never even hinted that they would be willing to negotiate with Jews at all.
The 'Palestinians' only goal is to kill Jews. They have stated this over and over. And they reached their goal this week.
Werent you one of the guys crying " BIDEN MUST RESIGN!! " -- after the cock up in Afghanistan.
I mean, i kinda recall that, I could be wrong. And now Hamas stages a Tet Offensive/Pearl Harbor against the biggest military in the Middle East and now you're all "BIBI MUST STAY"
Do I have that correct? Tell me if I'm wrong.
Golda Meir said it best... You can't negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.
The Pallies don't want to talk. They only want to kill. So - Israel needs to respond in kind. Blow them up.
There never is an excuse to kill Jews.
Your knowledge of Middle Eastern Geo-politics is only SLIGHTLY better than Skeeter's.Gonna get worse real soon thanks to Hamas.
The average Palestinian has been trapped between Hamas, the PLO and Israel for over 35 years. It's hell living in Gaza.
Basically, if I was trying to create an environment where it would be guaranteed to foster future terrorists and extremists -- it would look EXACTLY like Gaza.
And the Israeli government -- the hard liners -- They LOVE IT. Because it guarantees keeping them in power.
And Hamas loves it because hatred against Israel needs to be stoked to keep what support they have.
How many future terrorists are going to created over the next 4-5 months?We help to create them by ignoring them.
Shush. Adults are talking.I knew you would run from that one.
I'm allergic to your stupidity. Sue me.You don't have anything worth having.
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:54:22PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <a84e1612-19cf-49c2...@googlegroups.com>,
davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:55:22 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <0f0f3ab7-8044-418b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 11:01:32 AM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <671d9e7d-dde3-4559...@googlegroups.com>, jebediah....@gmail.com says...
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:46:13 PM UTC-4, P-Dub wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:36:53 AM UTC-4, Ja-Son-Wan-Kenobi Has the High Ground wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
By Yuval Noah Harari
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
about the way Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.Yuval Noah Harari is the author of ?Sapiens,? ?Homo Deus? and ?Unstoppable Us? and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to criticize
wants peace must condemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas?s complete disarmament.But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone who
prime minister. He has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty more thanMoreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn?t a morality tale.
The real explanation for Israel?s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an incompetent
asked for a meeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government?s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahu firedqualifications, took credit for every success while never taking responsibility for failures, and seemed to give little importance to either telling or hearing the truth.
far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shameless opportunists, who ignored Israel?s many problems ? including the deteriorating security situation ? and focused instead on grabbing unlimited power for themselves. In pursuit of this goal, they adoptedThe coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by
extremely divisive policies, spread outrageous conspiracy theories about
state institutions that oppose their policies, and labeled the country's
serving elites as ?deep state? traitors.
The government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF?s chief of staff
He
was
then forced to reinstate Gallant only because of an outbreak of popular outrage. Such behavior over many years enabled a calamity to strike Israel.
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.Israel dropped the ball on this. They should have known it was coming - and should have been able to prevent a lot of it.
However - your 'populist' shit against Bibi is just that - shit.
The problem is that the 'Palestinians' have never once considered making even the slightest COMPROMISE with Israel. In fact, they have never even hinted that they would be willing to negotiate with Jews at all.
The 'Palestinians' only goal is to kill Jews. They have stated this over and over. And they reached their goal this week.
Werent you one of the guys crying " BIDEN MUST RESIGN!! " -- after the cock up in Afghanistan.
I mean, i kinda recall that, I could be wrong. And now Hamas stages a Tet Offensive/Pearl Harbor against the biggest military in the Middle East and now you're all "BIBI MUST STAY"
Do I have that correct? Tell me if I'm wrong.
Golda Meir said it best... You can't negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.
The Pallies don't want to talk. They only want to kill. So - Israel needs to respond in kind. Blow them up.
There never is an excuse to kill Jews.
Your knowledge of Middle Eastern Geo-politics is only SLIGHTLY better than Skeeter's.Gonna get worse real soon thanks to Hamas.
The average Palestinian has been trapped between Hamas, the PLO and Israel for over 35 years. It's hell living in Gaza.
Basically, if I was trying to create an environment where it would be guaranteed to foster future terrorists and extremists -- it would look EXACTLY like Gaza.
And the Israeli government -- the hard liners -- They LOVE IT. Because it guarantees keeping them in power.
And Hamas loves it because hatred against Israel needs to be stoked to keep what support they have.
How many future terrorists are going to created over the next 4-5 months?We help to create them by ignoring them.
Shush. Adults are talking.I knew you would run from that one.
Then PLEASE shut the hell upI'm allergic to your stupidity. Sue me.You don't have anything worth having.
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:20:59AM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <902a0098-813c-4541...@googlegroups.com>,
davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:54:22 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <a84e1612-19cf-49c2...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:55:22 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <0f0f3ab7-8044-418b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 11:01:32 AM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <671d9e7d-dde3-4559...@googlegroups.com>, jebediah....@gmail.com says...
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:46:13 PM UTC-4, P-Dub wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:36:53 AM UTC-4, Ja-Son-Wan-Kenobi Has the High Ground wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
By Yuval Noah Harari
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
about the way Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.Yuval Noah Harari is the author of ?Sapiens,? ?Homo Deus? and ?Unstoppable Us? and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to criticize
wants peace must condemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas?s complete disarmament.But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone who
prime minister. He has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty moreMoreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn?t a morality tale.
The real explanation for Israel?s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an incompetent
staff asked for a meeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government?s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahuqualifications, took credit for every success while never taking responsibility for failures, and seemed to give little importance to either telling or hearing the truth.
far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shamelessThe coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by
opportunists, who ignored Israel?s many problems ? including the
deteriorating security situation ? and focused instead on grabbing
unlimited power for themselves. In pursuit of this goal, they adopted
extremely divisive policies, spread outrageous conspiracy theories about
state institutions that oppose their policies, and labeled the country's
serving elites as ?deep state? traitors.
The government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF?s chief of
him.
He
was
then forced to reinstate Gallant only because of an outbreak of popular outrage. Such behavior over many years enabled a calamity to strike Israel.
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.Israel dropped the ball on this. They should have known it was coming - and should have been able to prevent a lot of it.
However - your 'populist' shit against Bibi is just that - shit.
The problem is that the 'Palestinians' have never once considered making even the slightest COMPROMISE with Israel. In fact, they have never even hinted that they would be willing to negotiate with Jews at all.
The 'Palestinians' only goal is to kill Jews. They have stated this over and over. And they reached their goal this week.
Werent you one of the guys crying " BIDEN MUST RESIGN!! " -- after the cock up in Afghanistan.
I mean, i kinda recall that, I could be wrong. And now Hamas stages a Tet Offensive/Pearl Harbor against the biggest military in the Middle East and now you're all "BIBI MUST STAY"
Do I have that correct? Tell me if I'm wrong.
Golda Meir said it best... You can't negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.
The Pallies don't want to talk. They only want to kill. So - Israel needs to respond in kind. Blow them up.
There never is an excuse to kill Jews.
Your knowledge of Middle Eastern Geo-politics is only SLIGHTLY better than Skeeter's.Gonna get worse real soon thanks to Hamas.
The average Palestinian has been trapped between Hamas, the PLO and Israel for over 35 years. It's hell living in Gaza.
Basically, if I was trying to create an environment where it would be guaranteed to foster future terrorists and extremists -- it would look EXACTLY like Gaza.
And the Israeli government -- the hard liners -- They LOVE IT. Because it guarantees keeping them in power.
And Hamas loves it because hatred against Israel needs to be stoked to keep what support they have.
How many future terrorists are going to created over the next 4-5 months?We help to create them by ignoring them.
Shush. Adults are talking.I knew you would run from that one.
Says the guy who can't WAIT to respond to me.Says the guy who started this stupid post.Then PLEASE shut the hell upI'm allergic to your stupidity. Sue me.You don't have anything worth having.
In article <902a0098-813c-4541...@googlegroups.com>,
davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:54:22 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <a84e1612-19cf-49c2...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:55:22 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <0f0f3ab7-8044-418b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 11:01:32 AM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <671d9e7d-dde3-4559...@googlegroups.com>, jebediah....@gmail.com says...
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:46:13 PM UTC-4, P-Dub wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:36:53 AM UTC-4, Ja-Son-Wan-Kenobi Has the High Ground wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism By Yuval Noah Harari******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
about the way Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.Yuval Noah Harari is the author of ?Sapiens,? ?Homo Deus? and ?Unstoppable Us? and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to criticize
wants peace must condemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas?s complete disarmament.But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone who
prime minister. He has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty more thanMoreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn?t a morality tale.
The real explanation for Israel?s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an incompetent
asked for a meeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government?s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahu firedqualifications, took credit for every success while never taking responsibility for failures, and seemed to give little importance to either telling or hearing the truth.
far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shamelessThe coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by
opportunists, who ignored Israel?s many problems ? including the deteriorating security situation ? and focused instead on grabbing
unlimited power for themselves. In pursuit of this goal, they adopted
extremely divisive policies, spread outrageous conspiracy theories about
state institutions that oppose their policies, and labeled the country's
serving elites as ?deep state? traitors.
The government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF?s chief of staff
him.Says the guy who can't WAIT to respond to me.
He
was
then forced to reinstate Gallant only because of an outbreak of popular outrage. Such behavior over many years enabled a calamity to strike Israel.
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.Israel dropped the ball on this. They should have known it was coming - and should have been able to prevent a lot of it.
However - your 'populist' shit against Bibi is just that - shit.
The problem is that the 'Palestinians' have never once considered making even the slightest COMPROMISE with Israel. In fact, they have never even hinted that they would be willing to negotiate with Jews at all.
The 'Palestinians' only goal is to kill Jews. They have stated this over and over. And they reached their goal this week.
Werent you one of the guys crying " BIDEN MUST RESIGN!! " -- after the cock up in Afghanistan.
I mean, i kinda recall that, I could be wrong. And now Hamas stages a Tet Offensive/Pearl Harbor against the biggest military in the Middle East and now you're all "BIBI MUST STAY"
Do I have that correct? Tell me if I'm wrong.
Golda Meir said it best... You can't negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.
The Pallies don't want to talk. They only want to kill. So - Israel needs to respond in kind. Blow them up.
There never is an excuse to kill Jews.
Your knowledge of Middle Eastern Geo-politics is only SLIGHTLY better than Skeeter's.Gonna get worse real soon thanks to Hamas.
The average Palestinian has been trapped between Hamas, the PLO and Israel for over 35 years. It's hell living in Gaza.
Basically, if I was trying to create an environment where it would be guaranteed to foster future terrorists and extremists -- it would look EXACTLY like Gaza.
And the Israeli government -- the hard liners -- They LOVE IT. Because it guarantees keeping them in power.
And Hamas loves it because hatred against Israel needs to be stoked to keep what support they have.
How many future terrorists are going to created over the next 4-5 months?We help to create them by ignoring them.
Shush. Adults are talking.I knew you would run from that one.
Says the guy who started this stupid post.Then PLEASE shut the hell upI'm allergic to your stupidity. Sue me.You don't have anything worth having.
In article <4c0bdfc1-2e57-4e8a...@googlegroups.com>,
davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:20:59 AM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <902a0098-813c-4541...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:54:22 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <a84e1612-19cf-49c2...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:55:22 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <0f0f3ab7-8044-418b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 11:01:32 AM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <671d9e7d-dde3-4559...@googlegroups.com>, jebediah....@gmail.com says...
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 1:46:13 PM UTC-4, P-Dub wrote:
On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:36:53 AM UTC-4, Ja-Son-Wan-Kenobi Has the High Ground wrote:
On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-4, Skeeter wrote:
In article <e20d316d-717f-420b...@googlegroups.com>, davidbr...@gmail.com says...
Israel Ignored Egypt?s ?Repeated? Warnings on Hamas Attack: Intel Official
Photo of Joe Saballa JOE SABALLAOCTOBER 10, 2023
An intelligence official from Egypt has claimed Jerusalem ignored the country?s repeated warnings that Hamas was planning ?something big.?
He further revealed that Cairo?s intelligence minister sent a direct notice to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, informing him of potential dangers.
However, Israeli officials reportedly played down the threat from Gaza as they were too focused on the West Bank.
?We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big,? the unnamed Egyptian intel official told the Associated Press. ?But they underestimated such warnings.?
In his address to the nation Monday night, Netanyahu denied that his office received such warnings, calling the story ?fake news.?
The Hamas horror is also a lesson on the price of populism******Is there a point here or are you trolling for attention?
Well Golly, this all sounds AWFULLY familiar....
By Yuval Noah Harari
October 11, 2023 at 10:54 a.m. EDT
criticize about the way Israel has abandoned the attempt to make peace with the Palestinians and has held for decades millions of Palestinians under occupation.Yuval Noah Harari is the author of ?Sapiens,? ?Homo Deus? and ?Unstoppable Us? and a professor of history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.
On one level, Israelis are paying the price for years of hubris, during which our governments and many ordinary Israelis felt we were so much stronger than the Palestinians, that we could just ignore them. There is much to
who wants peace must condemn and impose sanctions on Hamas and demand the immediate release of all hostages and Hamas?s complete disarmament.But this does not justify the atrocities committed by Hamas, which in any case has never countenanced any possibility for a peace treaty with Israel and has done everything in its power to sabotage the Oslo peace process. Anyone
incompetent prime minister. He has repeatedly preferred his personal interests over the national interest and has built his career on dividing the nation against itself. He has appointed people to key positions based on loyalty moreMoreover, irrespective of how much blame one ascribes to Israel, this does not explain the dysfunction of the state. History isn?t a morality tale.
The real explanation for Israel?s dysfunction is populism rather than any alleged immorality. For many years, Israel has been governed by a populist strongman, Benjamin Netanyahu, who is a public-relations genius but an
thanstaff asked for a meeting with Netanyahu to warn him about the security implications of the government?s policies, Netanyahu refused to meet him. When Defense Minister Yoav Gallant nevertheless raised the alarm, Netanyahu
qualifications, took credit for every success while never taking responsibility for failures, and seemed to give little importance to either telling or hearing the truth.
far the worst. It is an alliance of messianic zealots and shamelessThe coalition Netanyahu established in December 2022 has been by
opportunists, who ignored Israel?s many problems ? including the
deteriorating security situation ? and focused instead on grabbing
unlimited power for themselves. In pursuit of this goal, they adopted
extremely divisive policies, spread outrageous conspiracy theories about
state institutions that oppose their policies, and labeled the country's
serving elites as ?deep state? traitors.
The government was repeatedly warned by its own security forces and by numerous experts that its policies were endangering Israel and eroding Israeli deterrence at a time of mounting external threats. Yet when the IDF?s chief of
firedBecause it could possibly -- key word here, POSSIBLY -- teach you something.
him.
He
was
then forced to reinstate Gallant only because of an outbreak of popular outrage. Such behavior over many years enabled a calamity to strike Israel.
No matter what one thinks of Israel and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the way populism corroded the Israeli state should serve as a warning to other democracies all over the world.Israel dropped the ball on this. They should have known it was coming - and should have been able to prevent a lot of it.
However - your 'populist' shit against Bibi is just that - shit.
The problem is that the 'Palestinians' have never once considered making even the slightest COMPROMISE with Israel. In fact, they have never even hinted that they would be willing to negotiate with Jews at all.
The 'Palestinians' only goal is to kill Jews. They have stated this over and over. And they reached their goal this week.
Werent you one of the guys crying " BIDEN MUST RESIGN!! " -- after the cock up in Afghanistan.
I mean, i kinda recall that, I could be wrong. And now Hamas stages a Tet Offensive/Pearl Harbor against the biggest military in the Middle East and now you're all "BIBI MUST STAY"
Do I have that correct? Tell me if I'm wrong.
Golda Meir said it best... You can't negotiate with someone who wants to kill you.
The Pallies don't want to talk. They only want to kill. So - Israel needs to respond in kind. Blow them up.
There never is an excuse to kill Jews.
Your knowledge of Middle Eastern Geo-politics is only SLIGHTLY better than Skeeter's.Gonna get worse real soon thanks to Hamas.
The average Palestinian has been trapped between Hamas, the PLO and Israel for over 35 years. It's hell living in Gaza.
Basically, if I was trying to create an environment where it would be guaranteed to foster future terrorists and extremists -- it would look EXACTLY like Gaza.
And the Israeli government -- the hard liners -- They LOVE IT. Because it guarantees keeping them in power.
And Hamas loves it because hatred against Israel needs to be stoked to keep what support they have.
How many future terrorists are going to created over the next 4-5 months?We help to create them by ignoring them.
Shush. Adults are talking.I knew you would run from that one.
Then why did you post it?Says the guy who can't WAIT to respond to me.Says the guy who started this stupid post.Then PLEASE shut the hell upI'm allergic to your stupidity. Sue me.You don't have anything worth having.
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