• Never let is be said that John is in favor of people working for a livi

    From Davey Zimmerman #274@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 2 20:00:45 2023
    Holy shit, a woman is trying to better themselves? Watch John be a
    complete asshole! Then watch him delete it and limit who can reply.

    Here's how John views people who work.

    "John Henry
    9 hours ago
    ·
    "Miss USA" is a "licensed esthetician and certified lash technician."
    Man I don't want to disempower women or anything but ffs. What the hell
    do you even do to become a "licensed esthetician" or become "certified"
    as a "lash technician?" Compliment decor and use mascara?"

    He's off to a bad start with the sheep today!

    Here's the comments before he deleted them.

    "Cáel Henderson
    Fucking up false eyelashes could do some serious damage to the eye tho"

    "John Henry
    Cáel Henderson Fair. Still. I just...man. A quarter million years of
    evolution and we can't keep roofs over people's heads or get people to
    stay home in a pandemic but we're certifying fake eyelashes and
    licensing "estheticians." I don't think the concept of "esthetician"
    should even exist, and I'm pretty certain the fact that it does is a
    sign of the apocolypse."

    "Toma Brown
    Man, I don't mean to call you a misogynistic pos or anything but ffs,
    this post sure makes you look like one."

    "Carol Whittle Fleming
    I’m going to stop you right there. My friends daughter supports HERSELF
    as a lash technician. Is 20 yrs old, has her own place, loves her job,
    and is not in severe debt from college. No offense, John, but I’ve
    followed you for years, but this post was literally misogynistic.
    Furthermore, she doesn’t need anyone to send her cash."


    "Nicole Reagan
    Just because you don't see the value in it doesn't mean it isn't
    worthwhile. As someone with a disability, I prefer that the people who
    help me take care of my skin, hair, and nails be trained, certified, and licensed. But sure, make fun and devalue education and training in a
    mostly female space you obviously know little about"

    "Angela Christine
    I get where you're coming from, but these are not just "makeup ladies."
    And even "makeup ladies" have a place in society. Maybe the laughable
    part is that some people are more willing to pay for vanity than to help others. Just like we're willing to pay for entertainment so some people
    who are really good at it get very rich. It's an imbalance in society
    and it's disgusting, but not a reason to denigrate those with talents
    they're able to make money off of."

    "Miriam Solon
    In my state you need coursework in infection prevention, including how
    to disinfect your tools. Also safe practices around infection- and injury-vulnerable parts of the body and how to recognize symptoms of eye
    or skin infections in clients and yourself. The rest is basic stuff a
    graphic designer might learn plus keeping up with trends in styles and techniques and developing new looks. Estheticians are also in the front
    line of advocacy for victims of domestic abuse and sex trafficking, if
    they aren't employees of the abusers. Pick on some other occupation."

    "Sarah Michelle
    I am actually incredibly surprised to see commentary like this from you.
    Really disappointing. I certainly hope you've read some of the replies
    and will dig a little deeper into why you approached the subject the way
    you did."

    What an asshole!

    Of course he deleted it.

    Then the lying fuckwit followed up with this:

    "John Henry
    ·
    I made an ill-considered remark about estheticians.
    I apologize unreservedly. I was wrong.
    I'll be away.

    John Henry limited who can comment on this post."

    Not only did the fucking idiot censor everyone who posted in reply, he
    later deleted it. Then he put out a statement to keep everyone but his
    chosen sheep from commenting.

    PayPal him now!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From %@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 2 13:03:52 2023
    Davey Zimmerman #274 wrote:
    Holy shit, a woman is trying to better themselves? Watch John be a
    complete asshole! Then watch him delete it and limit who can reply.

    Here's how John views people who work.

    "John Henry
    9 hours ago
    ·
    "Miss USA" is a "licensed esthetician and certified lash technician."
    Man I don't want to disempower women or anything but ffs. What the hell
    do you even do to become a "licensed esthetician" or become "certified"
    as a "lash technician?" Compliment decor and use mascara?"

    He's off to a bad start with the sheep today!

    Here's the comments before he deleted them.

    "Cáel Henderson
    Fucking up false eyelashes could do some serious damage to the eye tho"

    "John Henry
    Cáel Henderson Fair. Still. I just...man. A quarter million years of evolution and we can't keep roofs over people's heads or get people to
    stay home in a pandemic but we're certifying fake eyelashes and
    licensing "estheticians." I don't think the concept of "esthetician"
    should even exist, and I'm pretty certain the fact that it does is a
    sign of the apocolypse."

    "Toma Brown
    Man, I don't mean to call you a misogynistic pos or anything but ffs,
    this post sure makes you look like one."

    "Carol Whittle Fleming
    I’m going to stop you right there. My friends daughter supports HERSELF
    as a lash technician. Is 20 yrs old, has her own place, loves her job,
    and is not in severe debt from college. No offense, John, but I’ve
    followed you for years, but this post was literally misogynistic. Furthermore, she doesn’t need anyone to send her cash."


    "Nicole Reagan
    Just because you don't see the value in it doesn't mean it isn't
    worthwhile. As someone with a disability, I prefer that the people who
    help me take care of my skin, hair, and nails be trained, certified, and licensed. But sure, make fun and devalue education and training in a
    mostly female space you obviously know little about"

    "Angela Christine
    I get where you're coming from, but these are not just "makeup ladies."
    And even "makeup ladies" have a place in society. Maybe the laughable
    part is that some people are more willing to pay for vanity than to help others. Just like we're willing to pay for entertainment so some people
    who are really good at it get very rich. It's an imbalance in society
    and it's disgusting, but not a reason to denigrate those with talents
    they're able to make money off of."

    "Miriam Solon
    In my state you need coursework in infection prevention, including how
    to disinfect your tools. Also safe practices around infection- and injury-vulnerable parts of the body and how to recognize symptoms of eye
    or skin infections in clients and yourself. The rest is basic stuff a
    graphic designer might learn plus keeping up with trends in styles and techniques and developing new looks. Estheticians are also in the front
    line of advocacy for victims of domestic abuse and sex trafficking, if
    they aren't employees of the abusers. Pick on some other occupation."

    "Sarah Michelle
    I am actually incredibly surprised to see commentary like this from you. Really disappointing. I certainly hope you've read some of the replies
    and will dig a little deeper into why you approached the subject the way
    you did."

    What an asshole!

    Of course he deleted it.

    Then the lying fuckwit followed up with this:

    "John Henry
    ·
    I made an ill-considered remark about estheticians.
    I apologize unreservedly. I was wrong.
    I'll be away.

    John Henry limited who can comment on this post."

    Not only did the fucking idiot censor everyone who posted in reply, he
    later deleted it. Then he put out a statement to keep everyone but his
    chosen sheep from commenting.

    PayPal him now!

    he's going to love this

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses)@21:1/5 to Chadweasel274@zoho.com on Mon Oct 2 20:47:22 2023
    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in news:XnsB091A2E3EA518ReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    Holy shit, a woman is trying to better themselves? Watch John be a
    complete asshole! Then watch him delete it and limit who can reply.

    Here's how John views people who work.

    "John Henry
    9 hours ago
    ·
    "Miss USA" is a "licensed esthetician and certified lash technician."
    Man I don't want to disempower women or anything but ffs. What the
    hell do you even do to become a "licensed esthetician" or become
    "certified" as a "lash technician?" Compliment decor and use
    mascara?"

    Would he be happier if they had no professional credentials and were
    called makeup scutworkers instead?

    He's off to a bad start with the sheep today!

    Here's the comments before he deleted them.

    "Cáel Henderson
    Fucking up false eyelashes could do some serious damage to the eye
    tho"

    "John Henry
    Cáel Henderson Fair. Still. I just...man. A quarter million years of evolution and we can't keep roofs over people's heads or get people to
    stay home in a pandemic but we're certifying fake eyelashes and
    licensing "estheticians." I don't think the concept of "esthetician"
    should even exist, and I'm pretty certain the fact that it does is a
    sign of the apocolypse."

    "Toma Brown
    Man, I don't mean to call you a misogynistic pos or anything but ffs,
    this post sure makes you look like one."

    "Carol Whittle Fleming
    I’m going to stop you right there. My friends daughter supports
    HERSELF as a lash technician. Is 20 yrs old, has her own place, loves
    her job, and is not in severe debt from college. No offense, John, but
    I’ve followed you for years, but this post was literally misogynistic. Furthermore, she doesn’t need anyone to send her cash."


    "Nicole Reagan
    Just because you don't see the value in it doesn't mean it isn't
    worthwhile. As someone with a disability, I prefer that the people who
    help me take care of my skin, hair, and nails be trained, certified,
    and licensed. But sure, make fun and devalue education and training in
    a mostly female space you obviously know little about"

    "Angela Christine
    I get where you're coming from, but these are not just "makeup
    ladies." And even "makeup ladies" have a place in society. Maybe the laughable part is that some people are more willing to pay for vanity
    than to help others. Just like we're willing to pay for entertainment
    so some people who are really good at it get very rich. It's an
    imbalance in society and it's disgusting, but not a reason to
    denigrate those with talents they're able to make money off of."

    "Miriam Solon
    In my state you need coursework in infection prevention, including how
    to disinfect your tools. Also safe practices around infection- and injury-vulnerable parts of the body and how to recognize symptoms of
    eye or skin infections in clients and yourself. The rest is basic
    stuff a graphic designer might learn plus keeping up with trends in
    styles and techniques and developing new looks. Estheticians are also
    in the front line of advocacy for victims of domestic abuse and sex trafficking, if they aren't employees of the abusers. Pick on some
    other occupation."

    "Sarah Michelle
    I am actually incredibly surprised to see commentary like this from
    you. Really disappointing. I certainly hope you've read some of the
    replies and will dig a little deeper into why you approached the
    subject the way you did."

    What an asshole!

    Of course he deleted it.

    Per Google's webcache, he revised this post in the wake of complaints, declaring:

    "I'm not going to take it back and I'm not going to delete it.

    First, I'm not going to get into the habit of just erasing my mistakes
    when I make them, and - *when considered from within the entrenched and
    broken values of our culture which are so heavily rooted in artificially imposed notions of what beauty is* - I was unfairly dismissive of the
    work of estheticians, and I apologize for that; erasing it would just be
    me trying to cover my ass, and that's not how I roll. I was wrong, let
    the record reflect it."

    Full extended screed at: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1Rdm1yF594kJ:https://www.fac
    ebook.com/JohnHenryUS/

    There also appear to have been 28 comments made before deletion.

    Then the lying fuckwit followed up with this:

    "John Henry
    ·
    I made an ill-considered remark about estheticians.
    I apologize unreservedly. I was wrong.
    I'll be away.

    John Henry limited who can comment on this post."

    Not only did the fucking idiot censor everyone who posted in reply, he
    later deleted it. Then he put out a statement to keep everyone but his
    chosen sheep from commenting.

    PayPal him now!

    Nuking the post mere hours after boldly declaring that he wouldn't is a
    new low.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From %@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 2 13:49:03 2023
    Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses) wrote:
    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in news:XnsB091A2E3EA518ReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    Holy shit, a woman is trying to better themselves? Watch John be a
    complete asshole! Then watch him delete it and limit who can reply.

    Here's how John views people who work.

    "John Henry
    9 hours ago
    ·
    "Miss USA" is a "licensed esthetician and certified lash technician."
    Man I don't want to disempower women or anything but ffs. What the
    hell do you even do to become a "licensed esthetician" or become
    "certified" as a "lash technician?" Compliment decor and use
    mascara?"

    Would he be happier if they had no professional credentials and were
    called makeup scutworkers instead?

    He's off to a bad start with the sheep today!

    Here's the comments before he deleted them.

    "Cáel Henderson
    Fucking up false eyelashes could do some serious damage to the eye
    tho"

    "John Henry
    Cáel Henderson Fair. Still. I just...man. A quarter million years of
    evolution and we can't keep roofs over people's heads or get people to
    stay home in a pandemic but we're certifying fake eyelashes and
    licensing "estheticians." I don't think the concept of "esthetician"
    should even exist, and I'm pretty certain the fact that it does is a
    sign of the apocolypse."

    "Toma Brown
    Man, I don't mean to call you a misogynistic pos or anything but ffs,
    this post sure makes you look like one."

    "Carol Whittle Fleming
    I’m going to stop you right there. My friends daughter supports
    HERSELF as a lash technician. Is 20 yrs old, has her own place, loves
    her job, and is not in severe debt from college. No offense, John, but
    I’ve followed you for years, but this post was literally misogynistic.
    Furthermore, she doesn’t need anyone to send her cash."


    "Nicole Reagan
    Just because you don't see the value in it doesn't mean it isn't
    worthwhile. As someone with a disability, I prefer that the people who
    help me take care of my skin, hair, and nails be trained, certified,
    and licensed. But sure, make fun and devalue education and training in
    a mostly female space you obviously know little about"

    "Angela Christine
    I get where you're coming from, but these are not just "makeup
    ladies." And even "makeup ladies" have a place in society. Maybe the
    laughable part is that some people are more willing to pay for vanity
    than to help others. Just like we're willing to pay for entertainment
    so some people who are really good at it get very rich. It's an
    imbalance in society and it's disgusting, but not a reason to
    denigrate those with talents they're able to make money off of."

    "Miriam Solon
    In my state you need coursework in infection prevention, including how
    to disinfect your tools. Also safe practices around infection- and
    injury-vulnerable parts of the body and how to recognize symptoms of
    eye or skin infections in clients and yourself. The rest is basic
    stuff a graphic designer might learn plus keeping up with trends in
    styles and techniques and developing new looks. Estheticians are also
    in the front line of advocacy for victims of domestic abuse and sex
    trafficking, if they aren't employees of the abusers. Pick on some
    other occupation."

    "Sarah Michelle
    I am actually incredibly surprised to see commentary like this from
    you. Really disappointing. I certainly hope you've read some of the
    replies and will dig a little deeper into why you approached the
    subject the way you did."

    What an asshole!

    Of course he deleted it.

    Per Google's webcache, he revised this post in the wake of complaints, declaring:

    "I'm not going to take it back and I'm not going to delete it.

    First, I'm not going to get into the habit of just erasing my mistakes
    when I make them, and - *when considered from within the entrenched and broken values of our culture which are so heavily rooted in artificially imposed notions of what beauty is* - I was unfairly dismissive of the
    work of estheticians, and I apologize for that; erasing it would just be
    me trying to cover my ass, and that's not how I roll. I was wrong, let
    the record reflect it."

    Full extended screed at: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1Rdm1yF594kJ:https://www.fac
    ebook.com/JohnHenryUS/

    There also appear to have been 28 comments made before deletion.

    Then the lying fuckwit followed up with this:

    "John Henry
    ·
    I made an ill-considered remark about estheticians.
    I apologize unreservedly. I was wrong.
    I'll be away.

    John Henry limited who can comment on this post."

    Not only did the fucking idiot censor everyone who posted in reply, he
    later deleted it. Then he put out a statement to keep everyone but his
    chosen sheep from commenting.

    PayPal him now!

    Nuking the post mere hours after boldly declaring that he wouldn't is a
    new low.

    that's not a low , that's nothing in the places i go

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Davey Zimmerman #274@21:1/5 to mark@rube.con on Mon Oct 2 21:24:32 2023
    "Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses)" <mark@rube.con> wrote in news:uffa8q$1dsk$2@paganini.bofh.team:

    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in news:XnsB091A2E3EA518ReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    Holy shit, a woman is trying to better themselves? Watch John be a
    complete asshole! Then watch him delete it and limit who can reply.

    Here's how John views people who work.

    "John Henry
    9 hours ago
    ·
    "Miss USA" is a "licensed esthetician and certified lash technician."
    Man I don't want to disempower women or anything but ffs. What the
    hell do you even do to become a "licensed esthetician" or become
    "certified" as a "lash technician?" Compliment decor and use
    mascara?"

    Would he be happier if they had no professional credentials and were
    called makeup scutworkers instead?

    As long as the bitches sent him money.

    He's off to a bad start with the sheep today!

    Here's the comments before he deleted them.

    "Cáel Henderson
    Fucking up false eyelashes could do some serious damage to the eye
    tho"

    "John Henry
    Cáel Henderson Fair. Still. I just...man. A quarter million years of
    evolution and we can't keep roofs over people's heads or get people
    to stay home in a pandemic but we're certifying fake eyelashes and
    licensing "estheticians." I don't think the concept of "esthetician"
    should even exist, and I'm pretty certain the fact that it does is a
    sign of the apocolypse."

    "Toma Brown
    Man, I don't mean to call you a misogynistic pos or anything but ffs,
    this post sure makes you look like one."

    "Carol Whittle Fleming
    I’m going to stop you right there. My friends daughter supports
    HERSELF as a lash technician. Is 20 yrs old, has her own place, loves
    her job, and is not in severe debt from college. No offense, John,
    but I’ve followed you for years, but this post was literally
    misogynistic. Furthermore, she doesn’t need anyone to send her cash."


    "Nicole Reagan
    Just because you don't see the value in it doesn't mean it isn't
    worthwhile. As someone with a disability, I prefer that the people
    who help me take care of my skin, hair, and nails be trained,
    certified, and licensed. But sure, make fun and devalue education and
    training in a mostly female space you obviously know little about"

    "Angela Christine
    I get where you're coming from, but these are not just "makeup
    ladies." And even "makeup ladies" have a place in society. Maybe the
    laughable part is that some people are more willing to pay for vanity
    than to help others. Just like we're willing to pay for entertainment
    so some people who are really good at it get very rich. It's an
    imbalance in society and it's disgusting, but not a reason to
    denigrate those with talents they're able to make money off of."

    "Miriam Solon
    In my state you need coursework in infection prevention, including
    how to disinfect your tools. Also safe practices around infection-
    and injury-vulnerable parts of the body and how to recognize symptoms
    of eye or skin infections in clients and yourself. The rest is basic
    stuff a graphic designer might learn plus keeping up with trends in
    styles and techniques and developing new looks. Estheticians are also
    in the front line of advocacy for victims of domestic abuse and sex
    trafficking, if they aren't employees of the abusers. Pick on some
    other occupation."

    "Sarah Michelle
    I am actually incredibly surprised to see commentary like this from
    you. Really disappointing. I certainly hope you've read some of the
    replies and will dig a little deeper into why you approached the
    subject the way you did."

    What an asshole!

    Of course he deleted it.

    Per Google's webcache, he revised this post in the wake of complaints, declaring:

    "I'm not going to take it back and I'm not going to delete it.

    Yep, you can't buy him either. Send money.

    First, I'm not going to get into the habit of just erasing my mistakes
    when I make them, and - *when considered from within the entrenched
    and broken values of our culture which are so heavily rooted in
    artificially imposed notions of what beauty is* - I was unfairly
    dismissive of the work of estheticians, and I apologize for that;
    erasing it would just be me trying to cover my ass, and that's not how
    I roll. I was wrong, let the record reflect it."

    Full extended screed at: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1Rdm1yF594kJ:http s://www.facebook.com/JohnHenryUS/

    There also appear to have been 28 comments made before deletion.

    28? That's more responses than he gets in a week any other time.

    Then the lying fuckwit followed up with this:

    "John Henry
    ·
    I made an ill-considered remark about estheticians.
    I apologize unreservedly. I was wrong.
    I'll be away.

    John Henry limited who can comment on this post."

    Not only did the fucking idiot censor everyone who posted in reply,
    he later deleted it. Then he put out a statement to keep everyone but
    his chosen sheep from commenting.

    PayPal him now!

    Nuking the post mere hours after boldly declaring that he wouldn't is
    a new low.

    Nah, that low was conning a woman out of over 30K for college and
    trashing her. John: That's KARMA for Beth Aultman, scumbag.

    But here's John being being cowardly and paranoid.

    https://youtu.be/9bn7QONwHaI?t=545

    A good five minutes of lies and evasions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Davey Zimmerman #274@21:1/5 to mark@rube.con on Mon Oct 2 23:49:21 2023
    "Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses)" <mark@rube.con> wrote in news:uffj1u$20bu$1@paganini.bofh.team:

    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in news:XnsB091B1184C78DReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    "Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses)" <mark@rube.con> wrote in
    news:uffa8q$1dsk$2@paganini.bofh.team:

    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in
    news:XnsB091A2E3EA518ReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    Holy shit, a woman is trying to better themselves? Watch John be a
    complete asshole! Then watch him delete it and limit who can reply.

    Here's how John views people who work.

    "John Henry
    9 hours ago
    ·
    "Miss USA" is a "licensed esthetician and certified lash
    technician." Man I don't want to disempower women or anything but
    ffs. What the hell do you even do to become a "licensed
    esthetician" or become "certified" as a "lash technician?"
    Compliment decor and use mascara?"

    Would he be happier if they had no professional credentials and were
    called makeup scutworkers instead?

    As long as the bitches sent him money.

    He's off to a bad start with the sheep today!

    Here's the comments before he deleted them.

    "Cáel Henderson
    Fucking up false eyelashes could do some serious damage to the eye
    tho"

    "John Henry
    Cáel Henderson Fair. Still. I just...man. A quarter million years
    of evolution and we can't keep roofs over people's heads or get
    people to stay home in a pandemic but we're certifying fake
    eyelashes and licensing "estheticians." I don't think the concept
    of "esthetician" should even exist, and I'm pretty certain the fact
    that it does is a sign of the apocolypse."

    "Toma Brown
    Man, I don't mean to call you a misogynistic pos or anything but
    ffs, this post sure makes you look like one."

    "Carol Whittle Fleming
    I’m going to stop you right there. My friends daughter supports
    HERSELF as a lash technician. Is 20 yrs old, has her own place,
    loves her job, and is not in severe debt from college. No offense,
    John, but I’ve followed you for years, but this post was literally
    misogynistic. Furthermore, she doesn’t need anyone to send her
    cash."


    "Nicole Reagan
    Just because you don't see the value in it doesn't mean it isn't
    worthwhile. As someone with a disability, I prefer that the people
    who help me take care of my skin, hair, and nails be trained,
    certified, and licensed. But sure, make fun and devalue education
    and training in a mostly female space you obviously know little
    about"

    "Angela Christine
    I get where you're coming from, but these are not just "makeup
    ladies." And even "makeup ladies" have a place in society. Maybe
    the laughable part is that some people are more willing to pay for
    vanity than to help others. Just like we're willing to pay for
    entertainment so some people who are really good at it get very
    rich. It's an imbalance in society and it's disgusting, but not a
    reason to denigrate those with talents they're able to make money
    off of."

    "Miriam Solon
    In my state you need coursework in infection prevention, including
    how to disinfect your tools. Also safe practices around infection-
    and injury-vulnerable parts of the body and how to recognize
    symptoms of eye or skin infections in clients and yourself. The
    rest is basic stuff a graphic designer might learn plus keeping up
    with trends in styles and techniques and developing new looks.
    Estheticians are also in the front line of advocacy for victims of
    domestic abuse and sex trafficking, if they aren't employees of the
    abusers. Pick on some other occupation."

    "Sarah Michelle
    I am actually incredibly surprised to see commentary like this from
    you. Really disappointing. I certainly hope you've read some of the
    replies and will dig a little deeper into why you approached the
    subject the way you did."

    What an asshole!

    Of course he deleted it.

    Per Google's webcache, he revised this post in the wake of
    complaints, declaring:

    "I'm not going to take it back and I'm not going to delete it.

    Yep, you can't buy him either. Send money.

    First, I'm not going to get into the habit of just erasing my
    mistakes when I make them, and - *when considered from within the
    entrenched and broken values of our culture which are so heavily
    rooted in artificially imposed notions of what beauty is* - I was
    unfairly dismissive of the work of estheticians, and I apologize for
    that; erasing it would just be me trying to cover my ass, and that's
    not how I roll. I was wrong, let the record reflect it."

    Full extended screed at:
    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1Rdm1yF594kJ:ht
    t p s://www.facebook.com/JohnHenryUS/

    There also appear to have been 28 comments made before deletion.

    28? That's more responses than he gets in a week any other time.

    Besides the statement about how his integrity would prevent him from
    deleting the post which was then promptly deleted, his expansion on
    the original comment also included a great rant about how women should
    stop wearing makeup and reject fashion - always a good conversation
    starter.

    Let's go with his deleted crap just to see how fast he backpedaled!


    John:
    "Miss USA" is a "licensed esthetician and certified lash technician."

    Man I don't want to disempower women or anything but ffs. What the hell
    do you even do to become a "licensed esthetician" or become "certified"
    as a "lash technician?" Compliment decor and use mascara?"

    Watch him try to divert the topic to something else and have that blow
    up in his face.

    ===

    John begins the post-editing:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1Rdm1yF594kJ:https:/ /www.facebook.com/JohnHenryUS/&sca_esv=570186193&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vwsr
    c=0

    "Edit: boy this blew up. Pissed some people off.

    It took a lot of work for me to get past my own defensiveness to write
    further thoughts on this. I mean, to me it was just a post about words
    and how they're twisted and used against us, like a million others I've written.

    But I'm not going to take it back and I'm not going to delete it."

    But you did.


    "First, I'm not going to get into the habit of just erasing my mistakes
    when I make them, and - *when considered from within the entrenched and
    broken values of our culture which are so heavily rooted in artificially imposed notions of what beauty is* - I was unfairly dismissive of the
    work of estheticians, and I apologize for that; erasing it would just be
    me trying to cover my ass, and that's not how I roll. I was wrong, let
    the record reflect it."

    Not after you deleted it, coward.


    But let's talk about the subject at hand, because y'all definitely got
    me thinking so now it's time I return the favor.

    My position is and always has been since I was in my late teens that the
    entire concept of the beauty and cosmetics industry is exploitative, oppressive, and abusive. I consider it probably the second-biggest con
    in human history behind religion (third behind capitalism I guess).

    The *whole thing* is based on telling us that we're not good enough the
    way we are, here buy this thing and you'll be better. Same old song and
    dance, invent a problem and sell the solution. In the case of this
    industry it's been going on so long we think it's normal, like
    capitalism. Just the way things are.

    But it isn't, and it shouldn't be.

    I know I'm not gonna win that argument because it's so deeply
    internalized it'll take a hundred generations to let go of it, but I
    really hope I can get through to a few folks to let go of this nonsense.
    Maybe I'm even hoping I can get through to myself about it.

    The entire basis of the *concept* of cosmetics and fashion, going all
    the way back to the beginning, is power and control. It starts in and
    thrives on making people feel insecure - and it's not just women;
    although we associate these things with women, y'all act like men
    wearing high heels and silk stockings and powdered wigs didn't
    happen....or like I and millions of other men didn't spend the eighties
    putting on mascara and eyeliner and lipstick and hairspray, but that's
    kind of a separate conversation.

    Taken from that perspective though, that it is women for whom this is
    the greater problem, the whole point of the *concept* of cosmetics and
    fashion is to make you feel insecure and unattractive so you'll try
    harder to be pretty, not even for the "male gaze" mind you but because
    it gratifies the male/masculine/predatory/narcissist ego for you to give
    a damn in the first place.

    It's worked so well that we don't even question WHY making ourselves
    look more compliant with our contextual social standards of visual attractiveness is a fundamental source of our self-esteem.

    It's been going on for centuries and no culture is immune. This is
    primal mating ritual stuff, base-level "attract a mate" behavior, even
    animals preen and put on displays.

    It's just that animals don't create multi-billion-dollar unsustainable industries and also drive people to terminal depression rooted in low self-esteem and feelings of being unwanted and unworthy based on their appearance. Pretty sure there was never a moment when a bunch of
    marmosets got together in a locker room to tell Julie she needs to step
    up her fashion game, ya know?

    Animals also don't let themselves become dependent on those
    manipulations for their incomes. They don't rationalize perpetuating the
    crime and inflicting it on others.

    So rather than deleting the message or whatever, making some apology I
    don't really mean because in the end I think these reactions are just
    evidence of how deeply entrenched this con is, I'd just like to leave
    you with some thoughts to consider:

    Maybe the person saying you look just fine the way you are, you don't
    need to go through all this to make yourself "more aesthetically
    pleasing," in fact you don't owe to anyone to even BE aesthetically pleasing...maybe that's not the misogynist in the room.

    Maybe the people who "hate women" are the ones who have constructed and perpetuated this entire system by which you're so entirely induced to
    think of yourself as being unworthy and ugly the way you are that you
    think it's completely normal to find your self esteem in altering your appearance to fit some advertiser's fabricated standard of what makes a
    person beautiful - a standard that has been drilled into your mind so consistently since birth you think it's your own idea.

    Maybe what's making you so uncomfortable about this conversation is that
    it's reminding you that you've bought in to your own abuse and
    exploitation, and some of you have decided to make that your livelihood
    as well, and you're painted into a corner with it now so it's easier to
    be pissed at me than to take a good hard look at why you think this way
    and maybe consider changing it.

    I think we're all beautiful just the way we are, complete with wrinkles
    and crow's feet and wispy eyelashes and thin pale lips and small boobs
    and a saggy butt and that festering blemish on your left cheek and small penises and too much body hair and not enough head hair and noses that
    don't turn up just right and ears that aren't covered in shiny things
    and skin filled with lipid injections and nerves deadened by botulism
    toxicity. ("Botox" is *literally* a concatenation of "botulism toxin.")

    In spite of that I'm as human as anyone else and I'd be plenty happy to
    have a clearer complexion and get this chipped tooth fixed and have my
    hair back the way it was when I was about 22...and that embarrasses me,
    deeply, because I really do know better.

    I think beauty is what's in your heart, not what's on your face, and it
    makes me weep for all of us that part of what's in our hearts is an overwhelming lack of confidence in our own appearance.

    I absolutely mourn for our collective inability to find validation and
    pride in who we are without having to first meet some socially imposed, shallow, and artificial standard of visual beauty. It's not even a loss
    of ability; as far as I can tell, for the most part we've never had it.

    I think beauty comes from being a good person and having a good heart.

    I think loving and appreciating ourselves for being ourselves as we are
    is what we should be doing, rather than being unable to feel good about ourselves unless we're convinced we've met some unrealistic,
    materialistic, and externally imposed standard of visual attractiveness
    that fundamentally reflects nothing about us as a person - and to be
    perfectly clear I don't claim in any way to be immune, the amount of
    time I've spent on my hair in my life is outrageous, to say nothing of
    how much of my mom's Mary Kay and Avon product stock I stole in the
    eighties.

    I wish we'd all spend a whole lot less time buying "product" and
    "fashion" to wrap ourselves in and slather all over ourselves in a fundamentally quixotic quest to find the self -esteem that we were
    deliberately prevented from being able to create within ourselves by
    people who gain not just profit but also power from inducing feelings of unworthiness in us.

    I think we ought to be allowed to feel worthy without all that stuff,
    and I genuinely feel sorry for every single one of us because none of us
    really does...and know clearly before you're tempted that it's an
    iron-clad guarantee that the louder and more energetically you protest
    that statement, the more true it is for you personally.

    I'd like that to change. It's harmful and hurtful and when you really
    take a close look at it, it's a fundamental root of our whole tangled
    mess of existence in the present day.

    Like so many of the other endeavors in which I embark, I have no
    illusion that I'll change it radically within my lifetime, but maybe if
    I can be one of the voices willing to discuss the need for change, I can
    do my little part to help us get there.

    I think we're beautiful just the way we are - old, young, whatever sex
    or gender or gender expression, regardless of how "well" you've "aged"
    or whether I or anyone else finds your appearance sexually attractive -
    and it makes me sad and angry that we've been manipulated and exploited
    into hating the way we look, and into spending our lives and billions of dollars on a hopeless attempt to achieve a standard of "beauty" that is *intentionally* unattainable.

    I guess if that makes me a "misogynist," then so be it."

    Jesus, that was a lot of happy horseshit just to avoid saying you're
    begging because you don't want to work. I liked the part about stealing
    Mommy's Mary Kay and Avon supplies.

    I'll leave you with the inspiring words of John Henry - That renowned
    American Legend and Content Creator and hope your day goes as well as
    his always seem to go:

    "Listen: I don't care. I don't care what you think you have, or what you
    do, or what conversations you say you've had, or with whom. What the
    fuck is your fucking POINT? Why are you jumping in, here and now? I've
    got nothing. Zero. My car's gone, my home's gone, 90% of my gear is
    gone, my fucking HAIR is falling out, I've *lost over thirty pounds in
    three weeks.* I'm *literally losing myself*. - John trying to hit the
    rubes up for yet another mooching.


    He also mentioned how he thinks everyone is beautiful even with
    wrinkles and crow's feet. Wonder how a preference for younger women
    fits with that.

    If he hadn't retreated and then spammed his page with stale articles
    to cover it up I'd almost think this was expert trolling.

    Nah, John is too much a perpetual victim to do that.

    Then the lying fuckwit followed up with this:

    "John Henry
    ·
    I made an ill-considered remark about estheticians.
    I apologize unreservedly. I was wrong.
    I'll be away.

    John Henry limited who can comment on this post."

    Not only did the fucking idiot censor everyone who posted in reply,
    he later deleted it. Then he put out a statement to keep everyone
    but his chosen sheep from commenting.

    PayPal him now!

    Nuking the post mere hours after boldly declaring that he wouldn't
    is a new low.

    Nah, that low was conning a woman out of over 30K for college and
    trashing her. John: That's KARMA for Beth Aultman, scumbag.

    Mea culpa. A new low for October 2023.

    But here's John being being cowardly and paranoid.

    https://youtu.be/9bn7QONwHaI?t=545

    A good five minutes of lies and evasions.

    He should do more RSPW-centric videos. That was a solid week's worth
    of laughs.

    The problem for John is that the only people laughing are the ones who
    see through him and his ego trip and won't send him a cent. 40 views?
    He's kidding himself, even the sheep won't watch it.

    PS: John is too cowardly to come here as himself.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses)@21:1/5 to Chadweasel274@zoho.com on Mon Oct 2 23:17:19 2023
    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in news:XnsB091B1184C78DReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    "Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses)" <mark@rube.con> wrote in news:uffa8q$1dsk$2@paganini.bofh.team:

    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in
    news:XnsB091A2E3EA518ReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    Holy shit, a woman is trying to better themselves? Watch John be a
    complete asshole! Then watch him delete it and limit who can reply.

    Here's how John views people who work.

    "John Henry
    9 hours ago
    ·
    "Miss USA" is a "licensed esthetician and certified lash
    technician." Man I don't want to disempower women or anything but
    ffs. What the hell do you even do to become a "licensed
    esthetician" or become "certified" as a "lash technician?"
    Compliment decor and use mascara?"

    Would he be happier if they had no professional credentials and were
    called makeup scutworkers instead?

    As long as the bitches sent him money.

    He's off to a bad start with the sheep today!

    Here's the comments before he deleted them.

    "Cáel Henderson
    Fucking up false eyelashes could do some serious damage to the eye
    tho"

    "John Henry
    Cáel Henderson Fair. Still. I just...man. A quarter million years of
    evolution and we can't keep roofs over people's heads or get people
    to stay home in a pandemic but we're certifying fake eyelashes and
    licensing "estheticians." I don't think the concept of "esthetician"
    should even exist, and I'm pretty certain the fact that it does is a
    sign of the apocolypse."

    "Toma Brown
    Man, I don't mean to call you a misogynistic pos or anything but
    ffs, this post sure makes you look like one."

    "Carol Whittle Fleming
    I’m going to stop you right there. My friends daughter supports
    HERSELF as a lash technician. Is 20 yrs old, has her own place,
    loves her job, and is not in severe debt from college. No offense,
    John, but I’ve followed you for years, but this post was literally
    misogynistic. Furthermore, she doesn’t need anyone to send her
    cash."


    "Nicole Reagan
    Just because you don't see the value in it doesn't mean it isn't
    worthwhile. As someone with a disability, I prefer that the people
    who help me take care of my skin, hair, and nails be trained,
    certified, and licensed. But sure, make fun and devalue education
    and training in a mostly female space you obviously know little
    about"

    "Angela Christine
    I get where you're coming from, but these are not just "makeup
    ladies." And even "makeup ladies" have a place in society. Maybe the
    laughable part is that some people are more willing to pay for
    vanity than to help others. Just like we're willing to pay for
    entertainment so some people who are really good at it get very
    rich. It's an imbalance in society and it's disgusting, but not a
    reason to denigrate those with talents they're able to make money
    off of."

    "Miriam Solon
    In my state you need coursework in infection prevention, including
    how to disinfect your tools. Also safe practices around infection-
    and injury-vulnerable parts of the body and how to recognize
    symptoms of eye or skin infections in clients and yourself. The rest
    is basic stuff a graphic designer might learn plus keeping up with
    trends in styles and techniques and developing new looks.
    Estheticians are also in the front line of advocacy for victims of
    domestic abuse and sex trafficking, if they aren't employees of the
    abusers. Pick on some other occupation."

    "Sarah Michelle
    I am actually incredibly surprised to see commentary like this from
    you. Really disappointing. I certainly hope you've read some of the
    replies and will dig a little deeper into why you approached the
    subject the way you did."

    What an asshole!

    Of course he deleted it.

    Per Google's webcache, he revised this post in the wake of
    complaints, declaring:

    "I'm not going to take it back and I'm not going to delete it.

    Yep, you can't buy him either. Send money.

    First, I'm not going to get into the habit of just erasing my
    mistakes when I make them, and - *when considered from within the
    entrenched and broken values of our culture which are so heavily
    rooted in artificially imposed notions of what beauty is* - I was
    unfairly dismissive of the work of estheticians, and I apologize for
    that; erasing it would just be me trying to cover my ass, and that's
    not how I roll. I was wrong, let the record reflect it."

    Full extended screed at:
    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1Rdm1yF594kJ:htt
    p s://www.facebook.com/JohnHenryUS/

    There also appear to have been 28 comments made before deletion.

    28? That's more responses than he gets in a week any other time.

    Besides the statement about how his integrity would prevent him from
    deleting the post which was then promptly deleted, his expansion on the original comment also included a great rant about how women should stop
    wearing makeup and reject fashion - always a good conversation starter.

    He also mentioned how he thinks everyone is beautiful even with wrinkles
    and crow's feet. Wonder how a preference for younger women fits with
    that.

    If he hadn't retreated and then spammed his page with stale articles to
    cover it up I'd almost think this was expert trolling.

    Then the lying fuckwit followed up with this:

    "John Henry
    ·
    I made an ill-considered remark about estheticians.
    I apologize unreservedly. I was wrong.
    I'll be away.

    John Henry limited who can comment on this post."

    Not only did the fucking idiot censor everyone who posted in reply,
    he later deleted it. Then he put out a statement to keep everyone
    but his chosen sheep from commenting.

    PayPal him now!

    Nuking the post mere hours after boldly declaring that he wouldn't is
    a new low.

    Nah, that low was conning a woman out of over 30K for college and
    trashing her. John: That's KARMA for Beth Aultman, scumbag.

    Mea culpa. A new low for October 2023.

    But here's John being being cowardly and paranoid.

    https://youtu.be/9bn7QONwHaI?t=545

    A good five minutes of lies and evasions.

    He should do more RSPW-centric videos. That was a solid week's worth of
    laughs.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses)@21:1/5 to Chadweasel274@zoho.com on Tue Oct 3 00:52:16 2023
    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in news:XnsB091C9A582D66ReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    "Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses)" <mark@rube.con> wrote in news:uffj1u$20bu$1@paganini.bofh.team:

    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in
    news:XnsB091B1184C78DReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    "Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses)" <mark@rube.con> wrote in
    news:uffa8q$1dsk$2@paganini.bofh.team:

    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in
    news:XnsB091A2E3EA518ReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    Holy shit, a woman is trying to better themselves? Watch John be a
    complete asshole! Then watch him delete it and limit who can
    reply.

    Here's how John views people who work.

    "John Henry
    9 hours ago
    ·
    "Miss USA" is a "licensed esthetician and certified lash
    technician." Man I don't want to disempower women or anything but
    ffs. What the hell do you even do to become a "licensed
    esthetician" or become "certified" as a "lash technician?"
    Compliment decor and use mascara?"

    Would he be happier if they had no professional credentials and
    were called makeup scutworkers instead?

    As long as the bitches sent him money.

    He's off to a bad start with the sheep today!

    Here's the comments before he deleted them.

    "Cáel Henderson
    Fucking up false eyelashes could do some serious damage to the eye
    tho"

    "John Henry
    Cáel Henderson Fair. Still. I just...man. A quarter million years
    of evolution and we can't keep roofs over people's heads or get
    people to stay home in a pandemic but we're certifying fake
    eyelashes and licensing "estheticians." I don't think the concept
    of "esthetician" should even exist, and I'm pretty certain the
    fact that it does is a sign of the apocolypse."

    "Toma Brown
    Man, I don't mean to call you a misogynistic pos or anything but
    ffs, this post sure makes you look like one."

    "Carol Whittle Fleming
    I’m going to stop you right there. My friends daughter supports
    HERSELF as a lash technician. Is 20 yrs old, has her own place,
    loves her job, and is not in severe debt from college. No offense,
    John, but I’ve followed you for years, but this post was literally
    misogynistic. Furthermore, she doesn’t need anyone to send her
    cash."


    "Nicole Reagan
    Just because you don't see the value in it doesn't mean it isn't
    worthwhile. As someone with a disability, I prefer that the people
    who help me take care of my skin, hair, and nails be trained,
    certified, and licensed. But sure, make fun and devalue education
    and training in a mostly female space you obviously know little
    about"

    "Angela Christine
    I get where you're coming from, but these are not just "makeup
    ladies." And even "makeup ladies" have a place in society. Maybe
    the laughable part is that some people are more willing to pay for
    vanity than to help others. Just like we're willing to pay for
    entertainment so some people who are really good at it get very
    rich. It's an imbalance in society and it's disgusting, but not a
    reason to denigrate those with talents they're able to make money
    off of."

    "Miriam Solon
    In my state you need coursework in infection prevention, including
    how to disinfect your tools. Also safe practices around infection-
    and injury-vulnerable parts of the body and how to recognize
    symptoms of eye or skin infections in clients and yourself. The
    rest is basic stuff a graphic designer might learn plus keeping up
    with trends in styles and techniques and developing new looks.
    Estheticians are also in the front line of advocacy for victims of
    domestic abuse and sex trafficking, if they aren't employees of
    the abusers. Pick on some other occupation."

    "Sarah Michelle
    I am actually incredibly surprised to see commentary like this
    from you. Really disappointing. I certainly hope you've read some
    of the replies and will dig a little deeper into why you
    approached the subject the way you did."

    What an asshole!

    Of course he deleted it.

    Per Google's webcache, he revised this post in the wake of
    complaints, declaring:

    "I'm not going to take it back and I'm not going to delete it.

    Yep, you can't buy him either. Send money.

    First, I'm not going to get into the habit of just erasing my
    mistakes when I make them, and - *when considered from within the
    entrenched and broken values of our culture which are so heavily
    rooted in artificially imposed notions of what beauty is* - I was
    unfairly dismissive of the work of estheticians, and I apologize
    for that; erasing it would just be me trying to cover my ass, and
    that's not how I roll. I was wrong, let the record reflect it."

    Full extended screed at:
    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1Rdm1yF594kJ:h
    t t p s://www.facebook.com/JohnHenryUS/

    There also appear to have been 28 comments made before deletion.

    28? That's more responses than he gets in a week any other time.

    Besides the statement about how his integrity would prevent him from
    deleting the post which was then promptly deleted, his expansion on
    the original comment also included a great rant about how women
    should stop wearing makeup and reject fashion - always a good
    conversation starter.

    Let's go with his deleted crap just to see how fast he backpedaled!


    John:
    "Miss USA" is a "licensed esthetician and certified lash technician."

    Man I don't want to disempower women or anything but ffs. What the
    hell do you even do to become a "licensed esthetician" or become
    "certified" as a "lash technician?" Compliment decor and use mascara?"

    Watch him try to divert the topic to something else and have that blow
    up in his face.

    ===

    John begins the post-editing:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1Rdm1yF594kJ:https
    :/
    /www.facebook.com/JohnHenryUS/&sca_esv=570186193&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&vw
    sr c=0

    "Edit: boy this blew up. Pissed some people off.

    It took a lot of work for me to get past my own defensiveness to write further thoughts on this. I mean, to me it was just a post about words
    and how they're twisted and used against us, like a million others
    I've written.

    But I'm not going to take it back and I'm not going to delete it."

    But you did.


    "First, I'm not going to get into the habit of just erasing my
    mistakes when I make them, and - *when considered from within the
    entrenched and broken values of our culture which are so heavily
    rooted in artificially imposed notions of what beauty is* - I was
    unfairly dismissive of the work of estheticians, and I apologize for
    that; erasing it would just be me trying to cover my ass, and that's
    not how I roll. I was wrong, let the record reflect it."

    Not after you deleted it, coward.


    But let's talk about the subject at hand, because y'all definitely got
    me thinking so now it's time I return the favor.

    My position is and always has been since I was in my late teens that
    the entire concept of the beauty and cosmetics industry is
    exploitative, oppressive, and abusive. I consider it probably the second-biggest con in human history behind religion (third behind
    capitalism I guess).

    The *whole thing* is based on telling us that we're not good enough
    the way we are, here buy this thing and you'll be better. Same old
    song and dance, invent a problem and sell the solution. In the case of
    this industry it's been going on so long we think it's normal, like capitalism. Just the way things are.

    But it isn't, and it shouldn't be.

    I know I'm not gonna win that argument because it's so deeply
    internalized it'll take a hundred generations to let go of it, but I
    really hope I can get through to a few folks to let go of this
    nonsense. Maybe I'm even hoping I can get through to myself about it.

    The entire basis of the *concept* of cosmetics and fashion, going all
    the way back to the beginning, is power and control. It starts in and
    thrives on making people feel insecure - and it's not just women;
    although we associate these things with women, y'all act like men
    wearing high heels and silk stockings and powdered wigs didn't
    happen....or like I and millions of other men didn't spend the
    eighties putting on mascara and eyeliner and lipstick and hairspray,
    but that's kind of a separate conversation.

    Taken from that perspective though, that it is women for whom this is
    the greater problem, the whole point of the *concept* of cosmetics and fashion is to make you feel insecure and unattractive so you'll try
    harder to be pretty, not even for the "male gaze" mind you but because
    it gratifies the male/masculine/predatory/narcissist ego for you to
    give a damn in the first place.

    It's worked so well that we don't even question WHY making ourselves
    look more compliant with our contextual social standards of visual attractiveness is a fundamental source of our self-esteem.

    It's been going on for centuries and no culture is immune. This is
    primal mating ritual stuff, base-level "attract a mate" behavior, even animals preen and put on displays.

    It's just that animals don't create multi-billion-dollar unsustainable industries and also drive people to terminal depression rooted in low self-esteem and feelings of being unwanted and unworthy based on their appearance. Pretty sure there was never a moment when a bunch of
    marmosets got together in a locker room to tell Julie she needs to
    step up her fashion game, ya know?

    Animals also don't let themselves become dependent on those
    manipulations for their incomes. They don't rationalize perpetuating
    the crime and inflicting it on others.

    So rather than deleting the message or whatever, making some apology I
    don't really mean because in the end I think these reactions are just evidence of how deeply entrenched this con is, I'd just like to leave
    you with some thoughts to consider:

    Maybe the person saying you look just fine the way you are, you don't
    need to go through all this to make yourself "more aesthetically
    pleasing," in fact you don't owe to anyone to even BE aesthetically pleasing...maybe that's not the misogynist in the room.

    Maybe the people who "hate women" are the ones who have constructed
    and perpetuated this entire system by which you're so entirely induced
    to think of yourself as being unworthy and ugly the way you are that
    you think it's completely normal to find your self esteem in altering
    your appearance to fit some advertiser's fabricated standard of what
    makes a person beautiful - a standard that has been drilled into your
    mind so consistently since birth you think it's your own idea.

    Maybe what's making you so uncomfortable about this conversation is
    that it's reminding you that you've bought in to your own abuse and exploitation, and some of you have decided to make that your
    livelihood as well, and you're painted into a corner with it now so
    it's easier to be pissed at me than to take a good hard look at why
    you think this way and maybe consider changing it.

    I think we're all beautiful just the way we are, complete with
    wrinkles and crow's feet and wispy eyelashes and thin pale lips and
    small boobs and a saggy butt and that festering blemish on your left
    cheek and small penises and too much body hair and not enough head
    hair and noses that don't turn up just right and ears that aren't
    covered in shiny things and skin filled with lipid injections and
    nerves deadened by botulism toxicity. ("Botox" is *literally* a
    concatenation of "botulism toxin.")

    In spite of that I'm as human as anyone else and I'd be plenty happy
    to have a clearer complexion and get this chipped tooth fixed and have
    my hair back the way it was when I was about 22...and that embarrasses
    me, deeply, because I really do know better.

    I think beauty is what's in your heart, not what's on your face, and
    it makes me weep for all of us that part of what's in our hearts is an overwhelming lack of confidence in our own appearance.

    I absolutely mourn for our collective inability to find validation and
    pride in who we are without having to first meet some socially
    imposed, shallow, and artificial standard of visual beauty. It's not
    even a loss of ability; as far as I can tell, for the most part we've
    never had it.

    I think beauty comes from being a good person and having a good heart.

    I think loving and appreciating ourselves for being ourselves as we
    are is what we should be doing, rather than being unable to feel good
    about ourselves unless we're convinced we've met some unrealistic, materialistic, and externally imposed standard of visual
    attractiveness that fundamentally reflects nothing about us as a
    person - and to be perfectly clear I don't claim in any way to be
    immune, the amount of time I've spent on my hair in my life is
    outrageous, to say nothing of how much of my mom's Mary Kay and Avon
    product stock I stole in the eighties.

    I wish we'd all spend a whole lot less time buying "product" and
    "fashion" to wrap ourselves in and slather all over ourselves in a fundamentally quixotic quest to find the self -esteem that we were deliberately prevented from being able to create within ourselves by
    people who gain not just profit but also power from inducing feelings
    of unworthiness in us.

    I think we ought to be allowed to feel worthy without all that stuff,
    and I genuinely feel sorry for every single one of us because none of
    us really does...and know clearly before you're tempted that it's an iron-clad guarantee that the louder and more energetically you protest
    that statement, the more true it is for you personally.

    I'd like that to change. It's harmful and hurtful and when you really
    take a close look at it, it's a fundamental root of our whole tangled
    mess of existence in the present day.

    Like so many of the other endeavors in which I embark, I have no
    illusion that I'll change it radically within my lifetime, but maybe
    if I can be one of the voices willing to discuss the need for change,
    I can do my little part to help us get there.

    I think we're beautiful just the way we are - old, young, whatever sex
    or gender or gender expression, regardless of how "well" you've "aged"
    or whether I or anyone else finds your appearance sexually attractive
    - and it makes me sad and angry that we've been manipulated and
    exploited into hating the way we look, and into spending our lives and billions of dollars on a hopeless attempt to achieve a standard of
    "beauty" that is *intentionally* unattainable.

    I guess if that makes me a "misogynist," then so be it."

    Jesus, that was a lot of happy horseshit just to avoid saying you're
    begging because you don't want to work. I liked the part about
    stealing Mommy's Mary Kay and Avon supplies.

    The worst part about his bloviation is the sense that he thinks he's
    saying anything novel when he turns "God hath given you one face, and
    you make yourselves another" into a 30-page lecture.

    https://youtu.be/9bn7QONwHaI?t=545

    A good five minutes of lies and evasions.

    He should do more RSPW-centric videos. That was a solid week's worth
    of laughs.

    The problem for John is that the only people laughing are the ones
    who see through him and his ego trip and won't send him a cent. 40
    views? He's kidding himself, even the sheep won't watch it.

    PS: John is too cowardly to come here as himself.

    Following the above video he claimed he would be keeping tabs on RSPW in
    order to do a "case study". Another abandoned project?

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  • From Davey Zimmerman #274@21:1/5 to mark@rube.con on Tue Oct 3 01:57:34 2023
    "Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses)" <mark@rube.con> wrote in news:uffojv$6nm8$1@paganini.bofh.team:

    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in news:XnsB091C9A582D66ReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    "Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses)" <mark@rube.con> wrote in
    news:uffj1u$20bu$1@paganini.bofh.team:

    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in
    news:XnsB091B1184C78DReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    "Mark Raslin (w/Ancient Psychoses)" <mark@rube.con> wrote in
    news:uffa8q$1dsk$2@paganini.bofh.team:

    "Davey Zimmerman #274" <Chadweasel274@zoho.com> wrote in
    news:XnsB091A2E3EA518ReallyNotChad@135.181.20.170:

    Holy shit, a woman is trying to better themselves? Watch John be
    a complete asshole! Then watch him delete it and limit who can
    reply.

    Here's how John views people who work.

    "John Henry
    9 hours ago
    ·
    "Miss USA" is a "licensed esthetician and certified lash
    technician." Man I don't want to disempower women or anything but
    ffs. What the hell do you even do to become a "licensed
    esthetician" or become "certified" as a "lash technician?"
    Compliment decor and use mascara?"

    Would he be happier if they had no professional credentials and
    were called makeup scutworkers instead?

    As long as the bitches sent him money.

    He's off to a bad start with the sheep today!

    Here's the comments before he deleted them.

    "Cáel Henderson
    Fucking up false eyelashes could do some serious damage to the
    eye tho"

    "John Henry
    Cáel Henderson Fair. Still. I just...man. A quarter million years
    of evolution and we can't keep roofs over people's heads or get
    people to stay home in a pandemic but we're certifying fake
    eyelashes and licensing "estheticians." I don't think the concept
    of "esthetician" should even exist, and I'm pretty certain the
    fact that it does is a sign of the apocolypse."

    "Toma Brown
    Man, I don't mean to call you a misogynistic pos or anything but
    ffs, this post sure makes you look like one."

    "Carol Whittle Fleming
    I’m going to stop you right there. My friends daughter supports
    HERSELF as a lash technician. Is 20 yrs old, has her own place,
    loves her job, and is not in severe debt from college. No
    offense, John, but I’ve followed you for years, but this post was
    literally misogynistic. Furthermore, she doesn’t need anyone to
    send her cash."


    "Nicole Reagan
    Just because you don't see the value in it doesn't mean it isn't
    worthwhile. As someone with a disability, I prefer that the
    people who help me take care of my skin, hair, and nails be
    trained, certified, and licensed. But sure, make fun and devalue
    education and training in a mostly female space you obviously
    know little about"

    "Angela Christine
    I get where you're coming from, but these are not just "makeup
    ladies." And even "makeup ladies" have a place in society. Maybe
    the laughable part is that some people are more willing to pay
    for vanity than to help others. Just like we're willing to pay
    for entertainment so some people who are really good at it get
    very rich. It's an imbalance in society and it's disgusting, but
    not a reason to denigrate those with talents they're able to make
    money off of."

    "Miriam Solon
    In my state you need coursework in infection prevention,
    including how to disinfect your tools. Also safe practices around
    infection- and injury-vulnerable parts of the body and how to
    recognize symptoms of eye or skin infections in clients and
    yourself. The rest is basic stuff a graphic designer might learn
    plus keeping up with trends in styles and techniques and
    developing new looks. Estheticians are also in the front line of
    advocacy for victims of domestic abuse and sex trafficking, if
    they aren't employees of the abusers. Pick on some other
    occupation."

    "Sarah Michelle
    I am actually incredibly surprised to see commentary like this
    from you. Really disappointing. I certainly hope you've read some
    of the replies and will dig a little deeper into why you
    approached the subject the way you did."

    What an asshole!

    Of course he deleted it.

    Per Google's webcache, he revised this post in the wake of
    complaints, declaring:

    "I'm not going to take it back and I'm not going to delete it.

    Yep, you can't buy him either. Send money.

    First, I'm not going to get into the habit of just erasing my
    mistakes when I make them, and - *when considered from within the
    entrenched and broken values of our culture which are so heavily
    rooted in artificially imposed notions of what beauty is* - I was
    unfairly dismissive of the work of estheticians, and I apologize
    for that; erasing it would just be me trying to cover my ass, and
    that's not how I roll. I was wrong, let the record reflect it."

    Full extended screed at:
    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1Rdm1yF594kJ:
    h t t p s://www.facebook.com/JohnHenryUS/

    There also appear to have been 28 comments made before deletion.

    28? That's more responses than he gets in a week any other time.

    Besides the statement about how his integrity would prevent him from
    deleting the post which was then promptly deleted, his expansion on
    the original comment also included a great rant about how women
    should stop wearing makeup and reject fashion - always a good
    conversation starter.

    Let's go with his deleted crap just to see how fast he backpedaled!


    John:
    "Miss USA" is a "licensed esthetician and certified lash technician."

    Man I don't want to disempower women or anything but ffs. What the
    hell do you even do to become a "licensed esthetician" or become
    "certified" as a "lash technician?" Compliment decor and use
    mascara?"

    Watch him try to divert the topic to something else and have that
    blow up in his face.

    ===

    John begins the post-editing:

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1Rdm1yF594kJ:http
    s
    :/
    /www.facebook.com/JohnHenryUS/&sca_esv=570186193&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1&v
    w sr c=0

    "Edit: boy this blew up. Pissed some people off.

    It took a lot of work for me to get past my own defensiveness to
    write further thoughts on this. I mean, to me it was just a post
    about words and how they're twisted and used against us, like a
    million others I've written.

    But I'm not going to take it back and I'm not going to delete it."

    But you did.


    "First, I'm not going to get into the habit of just erasing my
    mistakes when I make them, and - *when considered from within the
    entrenched and broken values of our culture which are so heavily
    rooted in artificially imposed notions of what beauty is* - I was
    unfairly dismissive of the work of estheticians, and I apologize for
    that; erasing it would just be me trying to cover my ass, and that's
    not how I roll. I was wrong, let the record reflect it."

    Not after you deleted it, coward.


    But let's talk about the subject at hand, because y'all definitely
    got me thinking so now it's time I return the favor.

    My position is and always has been since I was in my late teens that
    the entire concept of the beauty and cosmetics industry is
    exploitative, oppressive, and abusive. I consider it probably the
    second-biggest con in human history behind religion (third behind
    capitalism I guess).

    The *whole thing* is based on telling us that we're not good enough
    the way we are, here buy this thing and you'll be better. Same old
    song and dance, invent a problem and sell the solution. In the case
    of this industry it's been going on so long we think it's normal,
    like capitalism. Just the way things are.

    But it isn't, and it shouldn't be.

    I know I'm not gonna win that argument because it's so deeply
    internalized it'll take a hundred generations to let go of it, but I
    really hope I can get through to a few folks to let go of this
    nonsense. Maybe I'm even hoping I can get through to myself about it.

    The entire basis of the *concept* of cosmetics and fashion, going all
    the way back to the beginning, is power and control. It starts in and
    thrives on making people feel insecure - and it's not just women;
    although we associate these things with women, y'all act like men
    wearing high heels and silk stockings and powdered wigs didn't
    happen....or like I and millions of other men didn't spend the
    eighties putting on mascara and eyeliner and lipstick and hairspray,
    but that's kind of a separate conversation.

    Taken from that perspective though, that it is women for whom this is
    the greater problem, the whole point of the *concept* of cosmetics
    and fashion is to make you feel insecure and unattractive so you'll
    try harder to be pretty, not even for the "male gaze" mind you but
    because it gratifies the male/masculine/predatory/narcissist ego for
    you to give a damn in the first place.

    It's worked so well that we don't even question WHY making ourselves
    look more compliant with our contextual social standards of visual
    attractiveness is a fundamental source of our self-esteem.

    It's been going on for centuries and no culture is immune. This is
    primal mating ritual stuff, base-level "attract a mate" behavior,
    even animals preen and put on displays.

    It's just that animals don't create multi-billion-dollar
    unsustainable industries and also drive people to terminal depression
    rooted in low self-esteem and feelings of being unwanted and unworthy
    based on their appearance. Pretty sure there was never a moment when
    a bunch of marmosets got together in a locker room to tell Julie she
    needs to step up her fashion game, ya know?

    Animals also don't let themselves become dependent on those
    manipulations for their incomes. They don't rationalize perpetuating
    the crime and inflicting it on others.

    So rather than deleting the message or whatever, making some apology
    I don't really mean because in the end I think these reactions are
    just evidence of how deeply entrenched this con is, I'd just like to
    leave you with some thoughts to consider:

    Maybe the person saying you look just fine the way you are, you don't
    need to go through all this to make yourself "more aesthetically
    pleasing," in fact you don't owe to anyone to even BE aesthetically
    pleasing...maybe that's not the misogynist in the room.

    Maybe the people who "hate women" are the ones who have constructed
    and perpetuated this entire system by which you're so entirely
    induced to think of yourself as being unworthy and ugly the way you
    are that you think it's completely normal to find your self esteem in
    altering your appearance to fit some advertiser's fabricated standard
    of what makes a person beautiful - a standard that has been drilled
    into your mind so consistently since birth you think it's your own
    idea.

    Maybe what's making you so uncomfortable about this conversation is
    that it's reminding you that you've bought in to your own abuse and
    exploitation, and some of you have decided to make that your
    livelihood as well, and you're painted into a corner with it now so
    it's easier to be pissed at me than to take a good hard look at why
    you think this way and maybe consider changing it.

    I think we're all beautiful just the way we are, complete with
    wrinkles and crow's feet and wispy eyelashes and thin pale lips and
    small boobs and a saggy butt and that festering blemish on your left
    cheek and small penises and too much body hair and not enough head
    hair and noses that don't turn up just right and ears that aren't
    covered in shiny things and skin filled with lipid injections and
    nerves deadened by botulism toxicity. ("Botox" is *literally* a
    concatenation of "botulism toxin.")

    In spite of that I'm as human as anyone else and I'd be plenty happy
    to have a clearer complexion and get this chipped tooth fixed and
    have my hair back the way it was when I was about 22...and that
    embarrasses me, deeply, because I really do know better.

    I think beauty is what's in your heart, not what's on your face, and
    it makes me weep for all of us that part of what's in our hearts is
    an overwhelming lack of confidence in our own appearance.

    I absolutely mourn for our collective inability to find validation
    and pride in who we are without having to first meet some socially
    imposed, shallow, and artificial standard of visual beauty. It's not
    even a loss of ability; as far as I can tell, for the most part we've
    never had it.

    I think beauty comes from being a good person and having a good
    heart.

    I think loving and appreciating ourselves for being ourselves as we
    are is what we should be doing, rather than being unable to feel good
    about ourselves unless we're convinced we've met some unrealistic,
    materialistic, and externally imposed standard of visual
    attractiveness that fundamentally reflects nothing about us as a
    person - and to be perfectly clear I don't claim in any way to be
    immune, the amount of time I've spent on my hair in my life is
    outrageous, to say nothing of how much of my mom's Mary Kay and Avon
    product stock I stole in the eighties.

    I wish we'd all spend a whole lot less time buying "product" and
    "fashion" to wrap ourselves in and slather all over ourselves in a
    fundamentally quixotic quest to find the self -esteem that we were
    deliberately prevented from being able to create within ourselves by
    people who gain not just profit but also power from inducing feelings
    of unworthiness in us.

    I think we ought to be allowed to feel worthy without all that stuff,
    and I genuinely feel sorry for every single one of us because none of
    us really does...and know clearly before you're tempted that it's an
    iron-clad guarantee that the louder and more energetically you
    protest that statement, the more true it is for you personally.

    I'd like that to change. It's harmful and hurtful and when you really
    take a close look at it, it's a fundamental root of our whole tangled
    mess of existence in the present day.

    Like so many of the other endeavors in which I embark, I have no
    illusion that I'll change it radically within my lifetime, but maybe
    if I can be one of the voices willing to discuss the need for change,
    I can do my little part to help us get there.

    I think we're beautiful just the way we are - old, young, whatever
    sex or gender or gender expression, regardless of how "well" you've
    "aged" or whether I or anyone else finds your appearance sexually
    attractive - and it makes me sad and angry that we've been
    manipulated and exploited into hating the way we look, and into
    spending our lives and billions of dollars on a hopeless attempt to
    achieve a standard of "beauty" that is *intentionally* unattainable.

    I guess if that makes me a "misogynist," then so be it."

    Jesus, that was a lot of happy horseshit just to avoid saying you're
    begging because you don't want to work. I liked the part about
    stealing Mommy's Mary Kay and Avon supplies.

    The worst part about his bloviation is the sense that he thinks he's
    saying anything novel when he turns "God hath given you one face, and
    you make yourselves another" into a 30-page lecture.

    If he had anything profound or interesting to say to others he'd have
    said it years ago. As it is, it's just a circle jerk with one member in
    a mooched echo chamber.

    https://youtu.be/9bn7QONwHaI?t=545

    A good five minutes of lies and evasions.

    He should do more RSPW-centric videos. That was a solid week's worth
    of laughs.

    The problem for John is that the only people laughing are the ones
    who see through him and his ego trip and won't send him a cent. 40
    views? He's kidding himself, even the sheep won't watch it.

    PS: John is too cowardly to come here as himself.

    Following the above video he claimed he would be keeping tabs on RSPW
    in order to do a "case study". Another abandoned project?

    I think John is still trying to find lawyers that will work pro bono to
    sue the fuck out of the previous landlords, including his brother.

    Don't worry, in a few decades Alex Cain will get what's coming to him.

    December 1st is coming. Tick-tock. Dress warmly, parasite.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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