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On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 06:37:14 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

[Default] ??????????Jen?????????? Dershmender ???????????????????? <root@127.0.0.1> typed:

In communism the state owns the means of production. In socialism, the >>workers own it.

ROFLMAO

Wrong.

_ _ _[ ChatGPT4 comes to visit ]_ _ _ _
Q:
now please summarize the difference between communism and socialism in 6th-grade English

ChatGPT
Absolutely, here's a simpler explanation:

Where They Come From: Both communism and socialism are ideas about how to
run a country's economy, or how to make and share goods and services.
These ideas were written down by people who wanted to make things fairer
for everyone, not just a few rich people. Communism was mainly described
by two people, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Socialism was thought of by
many different people and was around before communism.

How Things Are Made: In both systems, the things we need (like food,
houses, and clothes) are made by everyone working together. In socialism,
these things (we call them means of production) are owned and run by the workers or the government representing the workers. In communism,
everybody owns everything together, and there's no government or social classes.

Who Owns What: In socialism, you can have your own things, but big
businesses and factories are owned by everyone or by the government. In communism, everything belongs to everyone. You still get what you need,
but you don't own things by yourself.

Sharing Things: In socialism, things are shared out to make it fairer, but
some people might still have more than others. In communism, everyone contributes what they can and takes what they need, so everyone ends up
having the same.

Leaders: In socialism, there can be different kinds of leaders or
governments. Socialism mainly changes how we make and share things. But in communism, the idea is to change everything, not just the economy but the government too, until there are no more classes or state.

Real Life: When we look at real countries, it gets more complicated. Some countries say they are socialist, but they still have some parts that work
like capitalism. And in countries that say they are communist, there's
often a big, powerful government, even though the original idea of
communism didn't want any government at all.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

That's the summary. Here's more in-depth:

Q:
My friend on Usenet doesn't know the difference between communism and socialism. What are the differences? Collegiate English, please.

ChatGPT
Sure, I'll outline the differences between communism and socialism using academic-level language:

Theoretical Origin and Development: Communism, as a distinct political and economic theory, was established through the works of Karl Marx and
Friedrich Engels, primarily in "The Communist Manifesto" and "Das
Kapital". Socialism, while also influenced by Marx and Engels, has broader roots in the social and economic theories of various philosophers and economists, including Henri de Saint-Simon and Robert Owen. It evolved as
a critique of the inequities caused by industrial capitalism in the 19th century.

Economic Structure: Both socialism and communism seek to mitigate the inequities created by capitalism, but they propose different methods to
achieve this aim. In socialism, the means of production (factories, land, resources) are collectively owned and managed, typically by the workers themselves or the state on behalf of the workers. This is to ensure a fair distribution of wealth and resources. In communism, according to Marx and Engels, there's a further progression: the means of production are held in common, without the existence of a state or social classes. Marx saw
socialism as a stepping stone towards this stateless, classless society.

Property Ownership: In a socialist system, private property (in the sense
of businesses, not personal belongings) is greatly reduced or eliminated,
and replaced with public or cooperative ownership. In a communist society,
the concept of personal property would be completely eliminated, as
everything is communally owned.

Wealth Distribution: In socialism, wealth distribution is controlled to
ensure economic equality. Income and wealth disparities may still exist,
but they are significantly reduced compared to capitalist systems. In
contrast, under communism, the idea is to achieve a society where the
principle "from each according to their ability, to each according to
their needs" is realized. In other words, everyone contributes to the
society to the best of their abilities and gets what they need in return, leading to the elimination of wealth disparities.

Political System: While both communism and socialism advocate for the empowerment of the working class, they differ in their political outlook. Socialism can coexist with different political systems – democratic, parliamentary, or otherwise. It primarily focuses on economic reform. Communism, as proposed by Marx and Engels, involves a complete overhaul of
the political and economic system, moving from a capitalist society to a socialist one, and ultimately to a stateless and classless communist
society. However, it's worth mentioning that real-world implementations of these theories have often deviated from these ideals, with many self- identified communist states maintaining a powerful central government.

Real-World Implementations: Real-world implementations of both systems
have often differed significantly from their theoretical underpinnings. Self-proclaimed socialist countries have often maintained elements of capitalism, such as market economies (e.g., the Nordic Model). In self- proclaimed communist countries like the Soviet Union or People's Republic
of China, state control has been or continues to be a dominant factor,
which contradicts the idea of a stateless society envisioned by Marx and Engels.

Please note that there are numerous variations and interpretations within
each of these systems, and these points summarize the broad theoretical concepts. Different scholars and practitioners may define these terms
somewhat differently, and real-world applications have varied widely.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

And then there's something Chomsky has talked about:
_ _ _[ChatGPT]_ _ _ _

User
what is anarco-syndicalism?

ChatGPT
Anarcho-syndicalism is a theory of anarchism which views labor unions as a potential force for revolutionary social change, replacing capitalism and
the state with a new society democratically self-managed by workers.

The basic principles of anarcho-syndicalism are:

Direct Action: Anarcho-syndicalists believe in direct action, meaning
workers should use strikes, boycotts, sabotage, etc., to improve their conditions and fight against the state and capitalism. They argue that
relying on political parties or hoping for legislative change often leads
to corruption and bureaucracy.

Workers' Solidarity: Anarcho-syndicalists argue for the unity of all
workers, regardless of their race, gender, or occupation, in a fight
against their common enemies - the bosses, the state, and capitalism.

Workers' Self-Management: This is a key principle of anarcho-syndicalism. Workers, not bosses or politicians, should control their workplaces. This
means decisions about work are made collectively by those who do the work,
not a separate management structure.

Revolution: Anarcho-syndicalists seek not just better conditions within
the current system but a completely new society. They aim for a worker-led revolution to overthrow capitalism and the state, resulting in a society
where workers control their workplaces and communities.

Voluntary Federation: After the revolution, anarcho-syndicalists propose
that society should be organized through voluntary federation of workers' organizations, not by a centralized state. Decisions should be made from
the bottom up, not top down.

One of the most well-known examples of anarcho-syndicalism in action was
the Confederación Nacional del Trabajo (CNT), a Spanish labor union, which played a significant role in the Spanish Civil War and social revolution
in 1936.
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:50:50 GMT, LO AND BEHOLD; Creon
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=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 06:37:14 -0700, 🤡🎪🤡 Schadenfreude wrote:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= [Default] ??????????Jen?????????? Dershmender ????????????????????
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= <root@127.0.0.1> typed:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= In communism the state owns the means of production. In socialism, the
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= workers own it.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= ROFLMAO Wrong.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= _ _ _[ ChatGPT4 comes to visit ]_ _ _ _ Q: now please summarize the
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= difference between communism and socialism in 6th-grade English
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= ChatGPT Absolutely, here's a simpler explanation:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Where They Come From: Both communism and socialism are ideas about how
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= to run a country's economy, or how to make and share goods and
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= services. These ideas were written down by people who wanted to make
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= things fairer for everyone, not just a few rich people. Communism was
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= mainly described by two people, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Socialism was thought of by many different people and was around before
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= communism.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= How Things Are Made: In both systems, the things we need (like food,
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= houses, and clothes) are made by everyone working together. In
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= socialism, these things (we call them means of production) are owned
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= and run by the workers or the government representing the workers. In
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= communism, everybody owns everything together, and there's no
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= government or social classes. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Who Owns What: In socialism, you can have your own things, but big
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= businesses and factories are owned by everyone or by the government. In
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= communism, everything belongs to everyone. You still get what you need,
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= but you don't own things by yourself. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Sharing Things: In socialism, things are shared out to make it fairer,
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= but some people might still have more than others. In communism,
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= everyone contributes what they can and takes what they need, so
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= everyone ends up having the same. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Leaders: In socialism, there can be different kinds of leaders or
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= governments. Socialism mainly changes how we make and share things. But
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= in communism, the idea is to change everything, not just the economy
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= but the government too, until there are no more classes or state.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Real Life: When we look at real countries, it gets more complicated.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Some countries say they are socialist, but they still have some parts
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= that work like capitalism. And in countries that say they are
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= communist, there's often a big, powerful government, even though the
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= original idea of communism didn't want any government at all. _ _ _ _
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= _ _ _
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= That's the summary. Here's more in-depth: =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Q: My friend on Usenet doesn't know the difference between communism and
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= socialism. What are the differences? Collegiate English, please.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= ChatGPT Sure, I'll outline the differences between communism and
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= socialism using academic-level language: =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Theoretical Origin and Development: Communism, as a distinct political
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= and economic theory, was established through the works of Karl Marx and
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Friedrich Engels, primarily in "The Communist Manifesto" and "Das
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Kapital". Socialism, while also influenced by Marx and Engels, has
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= broader roots in the social and economic theories of various
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= philosophers and economists, including Henri de Saint-Simon and Robert
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Owen. It evolved as a critique of the inequities caused by industrial
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= capitalism in the 19th century. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Economic Structure: Both socialism and communism seek to mitigate the
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= inequities created by capitalism, but they propose different methods to
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= achieve this aim. In socialism, the means of production (factories,
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= land, resources) are collectively owned and managed, typically by the
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= workers themselves or the state on behalf of the workers. This is to
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= ensure a fair distribution of wealth and resources. In communism,
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= according to Marx and Engels, there's a further progression: the means
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= of production are held in common, without the existence of a state or
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= social classes. Marx saw socialism as a stepping stone towards this
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= stateless, classless society. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Property Ownership: In a socialist system, private property (in the
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= sense of businesses, not personal belongings) is greatly reduced or
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= eliminated, and replaced with public or cooperative ownership. In a
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= communist society, the concept of personal property would be completely
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= eliminated, as everything is communally owned. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Wealth Distribution: In socialism, wealth distribution is controlled to
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= ensure economic equality. Income and wealth disparities may still exist,
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= but they are significantly reduced compared to capitalist systems. In
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= contrast, under communism, the idea is to achieve a society where the
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= principle "from each according to their ability, to each according to
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= their needs" is realized. In other words, everyone contributes to the
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= society to the best of their abilities and gets what they need in
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= return, leading to the elimination of wealth disparities.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Political System: While both communism and socialism advocate for the
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= empowerment of the working class, they differ in their political
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= outlook. Socialism can coexist with different political systems –
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= democratic, parliamentary, or otherwise. It primarily focuses on
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= economic reform. Communism, as proposed by Marx and Engels, involves a
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= complete overhaul of the political and economic system, moving from a
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= capitalist society to a socialist one, and ultimately to a stateless
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= and classless communist society. However, it's worth mentioning that
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= real-world implementations of these theories have often deviated from
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= these ideals, with many self- identified communist states maintaining a
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= powerful central government. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Real-World Implementations: Real-world implementations of both systems
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= have often differed significantly from their theoretical underpinnings.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Self-proclaimed socialist countries have often maintained elements of
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= capitalism, such as market economies (e.g., the Nordic Model). In self-
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= proclaimed communist countries like the Soviet Union or People's
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Republic of China, state control has been or continues to be a dominant
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= factor, which contradicts the idea of a stateless society envisioned by
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Marx and Engels. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Please note that there are numerous variations and interpretations
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= within each of these systems, and these points summarize the broad
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= theoretical concepts. Different scholars and practitioners may define
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= these terms somewhat differently, and real-world applications have
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= varied widely. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= And then there's something Chomsky has talked about: _ _ _[ChatGPT]_ _
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= _ _
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= User what is anarco-syndicalism? =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= ChatGPT Anarcho-syndicalism is a theory of anarchism which views labor
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= unions as a potential force for revolutionary social change, replacing
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= capitalism and the state with a new society democratically self-managed
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= by workers.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= The basic principles of anarcho-syndicalism are:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Direct Action: Anarcho-syndicalists believe in direct action, meaning
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= workers should use strikes, boycotts, sabotage, etc., to improve their
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= conditions and fight against the state and capitalism. They argue that
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= relying on political parties or hoping for legislative change often
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= leads to corruption and bureaucracy. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Workers' Solidarity: Anarcho-syndicalists argue for the unity of all
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= workers, regardless of their race, gender, or occupation, in a fight
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= against their common enemies - the bosses, the state, and capitalism.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Workers' Self-Management: This is a key principle of
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= anarcho-syndicalism. Workers, not bosses or politicians, should control
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= their workplaces. This means decisions about work are made collectively
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= by those who do the work, not a separate management structure.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Revolution: Anarcho-syndicalists seek not just better conditions within
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= the current system but a completely new society. They aim for a
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= worker-led revolution to overthrow capitalism and the state, resulting
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= in a society where workers control their workplaces and communities.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Voluntary Federation: After the revolution, anarcho-syndicalists propose
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= that society should be organized through voluntary federation of
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= workers' organizations, not by a centralized state. Decisions should be
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= made from the bottom up, not top down. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= One of the most well-known examples of anarcho-syndicalism in action was
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= the Confederación Nacional del Trabajo (CNT), a Spanish labor union,
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= which played a significant role in the Spanish Civil War and social
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= revolution in 1936. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=

I wonder if anyone ever asked it about that mythical "Euler sine-wave summation theory" that somehow undoes the opposite-phase of the legs coming from a center-tapped transformer.

Is chatgpt the new "Gish gallop"?

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On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 14:14:36 +0000, 🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈Jen🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐
🌷🌺🌈 Dershmender 💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🐶笛🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 wrote:

Is chatgpt the new "Gish gallop"?

_ _ _[ChatGPT4]_ _ _ _
Is ChatGPT the new "Gish gallop"?

ChatGPT
The "Gish gallop" is a term derived from debates involving creationist
Duane Gish, who was known for attempting to overwhelm his opponents with
as many arguments as possible, regardless of the validity or relevance of
those arguments. The idea was to present so many arguments that it becomes challenging to respond to all of them in the allotted time.

It's not accurate to describe ChatGPT as the new "Gish gallop". AI models
like ChatGPT do not have an intention or strategy to overwhelm users with information. They aim to provide relevant, helpful, and accurate responses based on the prompt provided. Furthermore, they don't engage in debates or arguments in the same sense as humans do because they don't have personal beliefs or motivations. They only generate responses based on their
programming and training data.

However, if an AI model is not properly managed, it can sometimes generate
long or overly detailed responses, which could seem overwhelming. This is
not a deliberate strategy but rather a reflection of how the model was
trained or how it interprets a specific input. This can usually be managed
by adjusting the model's settings or guiding its responses with more
specific prompts.

Remember, AI language models aim to facilitate understanding and provide
useful information, not to "win" debates or overwhelm users with
arguments.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
User
can you summarize that answer for 6th-graders?

ChatGPT
Sure! The "Gish gallop" is like throwing so many baseballs at someone that
they can't catch them all. This was a strategy used by a man named Duane
Gish in debates.

ChatGPT, which is me, your talking AI, isn't like that. I don't try to overwhelm you with information. I'm here to help answer your questions as clearly as possible. Sometimes, I might give long answers, but that's just because I want to give a complete answer, not because I'm trying to
confuse you. Remember, my goal is to help you understand things better,
not win a debate.

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On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:50:50 GMT, Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote:

[Default] ??????????Jen?????????? Dershmender ????????????????????
<root@127.0.0.1> typed:

In communism the state owns the means of production. In socialism, the >>>workers own it.

ROFLMAO

Wrong.

_ _ _[ ChatGPT4 comes to visit ]_ _ _ _
Q:
now please summarize the difference between communism and socialism in >6th-grade English

ChatGPT
Absolutely, here's a simpler explanation:

[...]

A great way of explaining both.

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 01:24:36 -0700, K Wills wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:50:50 GMT, Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote:

[Default] ??????????Jen?????????? Dershmender ????????????????????
<root@127.0.0.1> typed:

In communism the state owns the means of production. In socialism,
the workers own it.

This was written by Wills:

ROFLMAO

Wrong.

_ _ _[ ChatGPT4 comes to visit ]_ _ _ _
Q:
now please summarize the difference between communism and socialism in >>6th-grade English

ChatGPT Absolutely, here's a simpler explanation:

[...]

A great way of explaining both.

You left out the part about anarcho-syndicalism.

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 01:24:36 -0700, LO AND BEHOLD; K Wills
<laughing@you.heh> determined that the following was of great
importance and subsequently decided to freely share it with us in <v1m1ciph9kbnv11rcshpgjh4c7gnp2hg6j@4ax.com>:

=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:50:50 GMT, Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= [Default] ??????????Jen?????????? Dershmender ????????????????????
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= <root@127.0.0.1> typed:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= In communism the state owns the means of production. In socialism, the
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= workers own it.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= ROFLMAO Wrong.
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= _ _ _[ ChatGPT4 comes to visit ]_ _ _ _ Q: now please summarize the
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= difference between communism and socialism in 6th-grade English ChatGPT
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= Absolutely, here's a simpler explanation:
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= [...]
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=
=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?= A great way of explaining both. =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=

He forgot to specify that in relation USA politics.

This is why AI isn't going to take anyone's job. An idiot can still ask it the wrong question(s) or in the wrong context.

Try asking about socialism in the USA next time.

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:38:19 GMT, Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 01:24:36 -0700, K Wills wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:50:50 GMT, Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote:

[Default] ??????????Jen?????????? Dershmender ????????????????????
<root@127.0.0.1> typed:

In communism the state owns the means of production. In socialism, >>>>>the workers own it.

This was written by Wills:

ROFLMAO

Wrong.

_ _ _[ ChatGPT4 comes to visit ]_ _ _ _
Q:
now please summarize the difference between communism and socialism in >>>6th-grade English

ChatGPT Absolutely, here's a simpler explanation:

[...]

A great way of explaining both.

You left out the part about anarcho-syndicalism.

Because it comes from Chomsky. 'Nuf said?

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 00:34:48 -0700, K Wills wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:38:19 GMT, Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 01:24:36 -0700, K Wills wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:50:50 GMT, Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote:

[Default] ??????????Jen?????????? Dershmender ????????????????????
<root@127.0.0.1> typed:

In communism the state owns the means of production. In socialism, >>>>>>the workers own it.

This was written by Wills:

ROFLMAO

Wrong.

_ _ _[ ChatGPT4 comes to visit ]_ _ _ _
Q:
now please summarize the difference between communism and socialism in >>>>6th-grade English

ChatGPT Absolutely, here's a simpler explanation:

[...]

A great way of explaining both.

You left out the part about anarcho-syndicalism.

Because it comes from Chomsky. 'Nuf said?

Yellow card. Personal foul. 15 yards.

https://infidels.org/library/modern/constructing-a-logical-argument/#hominem

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