• Re: Question for Davey Zimmerman

    From Davey Zimmerman #274@21:1/5 to Laz Mann on Fri Feb 3 02:53:33 2023
    Laz Mann <lazmann@protonmail.com> wrote in news:ca3da814-d7b3-4f33-b380-862d95fb17f7n@googlegroups.com:

    Why don't you shut up about Beth?

    Why don't you stop soliciting people for a sociopathic mooch that only
    acts nice to people as long as they keep sending the scumbag money?

    You know the drill, suckpoppet! Here you go.

    John Henry - Remorseless Moocher and Lying Ingrate

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.pro-wrestling/c/ARFqP1plpGc/m/xnFoz zMRGgAJ

    ************************

    This line explains everything: "Look, everyone. It's the Drama Queen
    with its mating call." (See below)


    *Lori Ambrose
    "What about the woman who messaged me, John, saying you leached off her
    while you were at school in Michigan was it. She paid your damn school
    bill man! And then some! what’s wrong with you."

    *John Henry
    "You're lying through your teeth, nobody messaged you about anything,
    you're trying to remember bits and pieces of rumors of things you think
    you might remember and can twist."

    Everyone else is the liar. It's never John. Or Chad.


    *John Henry
    "Nobody "paid my damn school bill man." Or if they did they forgot to
    tell the folks I have my student loans through."

    Looks like a lot of the money from something or someone never made it to
    the school.

    Watch John deflect, backpedal and blame the victim!

    *John Henry
    "Why are you people doing this to me?"

    *John Henry
    "And why are you pretending that your'e not doing anything at all?"

    Woe is John! Send more money!

    *Lori Ambrose
    "John Henry - I will send photos of the messAges"

    *John Henry
    "Like anyone can't photoshop a facebook message."

    Gee, the Net.Bastard said the same thing a few weeks back. And then he
    found out that it was Chadweasel and all was forgiven.

    *John Henry
    "Listen: I don't care. I don't care what you think you have, or what you
    do, or what conversations you say you've had, or with whom. What the
    fuck is your fucking POINT? Why are you jumping in, here and now? I've
    got nothing. Zero. My car's gone, my home's gone, 90% of my gear is
    gone, my fucking HAIR is falling out, I've *lost over thirty pounds in
    three weeks.* I'm *literally losing myself.*

    What the fuck more do you want from me?"

    Rule #1: Drama Queens always deflect!

    *Lori Ambrose
    "John Henry - Elizabeth Eastman Aultman is her name"


    *David Haberman
    "What's your problem with John Lori? Why are you attacking him?"

    Aha! An enabler pops up to defend Moocheroni!


    *John Henry
    "Yes, that would be Beth. Beth, who decided to publicly "call me out"
    after buying in to a whole raft of shit that had no basis in reality, to
    run me down for shit I wasn't doing, hadn't done, and wouldn't do, all
    because she chose to believe someone else's bullshit.

    How much do you think that's worth? How many dollars should a human
    being be williing to take in exchange for being publicly betrayed,
    humiliated, and lied about by someone calling themselves a friend?"

    I don't know, John. Just how much did you take from a person who should
    have never listened to your lies?

    *David Haberman
    "You mother fucking piece of goddamn shit Lori, I didn't know you were
    one of the mother fucking bastards that keep attacking him. Fuck you
    Lori, fucking piece of shit."

    Good job discussing the evidence, Davey boy. Get him a bowl of beefaroni
    as a treat, John!.

    *John Henry
    "Or more to the point, how much should a person be willing to allow
    themselves to be bribed by someone leveraging prior favors to
    rationalize, justify, or excuse later betrayal, humiliation, and lies?

    If you give me fifty bucks now, does that give you more or less license
    to abuse my trust and friendship than someone who has given me none?"

    You owe her how much money?

    How much have you repaid?

    And she abused your trust?

    *Lori Ambrose
    "John Henry - I didn’t photoshop anything."

    It's OK, Lori. John always claims it's everyone else who lies.

    *Lori Ambrose
    "John Henry - This is the bulk of what she said to me:Not sure why she
    thought I was a close friend...

    I havent ever talked to anybody about this for lots of reasons I'm sure
    you understand but after reading your response to JH it's obvious you
    are a friend who might get through to him. I met him through a mutual
    friend about ten years ago. He wanted to go to school like he had never
    had a chance to but you know there isn't enough financial aid to finance
    a year of school much less living and food and books, all that stuff.
    After after about a year I came into a significant amount of money and
    after talking to him his ideas were so possible and I really thought he
    could be part of changing what isn't a great world. He had gone to
    Michigan and enrolled knowing he didnt have the money. On his promise of getting a work study job and keeping his grades up I agreed to help him
    as I could and he needed. The first year was great. He never got a job
    but when you are 40 and barely graduated high school who need a little
    time to get into the swing of things. Well he never got a job or took
    classes that summer. He said there was no place to work close enough to
    walk if he just had a bike. So I bought him a bike. He still never got a
    job and then the bike got stolen (?). Second year same as the first. At
    that time I had about 30,000$ invested in his education. I was also in
    school taking 18 credit hours a semester including in summer school and
    taking care of my autistic son. Oh and working part time.
    The third year he started to tell me how he was keeping track snd
    intended to pay it all back. But he was only doing his blog and radio
    things and taking 3 classes.v still no job he never worked while he was
    in school. Then I literally ran out of money. When I told him during the beginning of the first semester of year 4 he quit school. He didnt tell
    me and since our entire correspondence was online I didnt know. Come to
    find out ge would not have graduated cause he missed too many days of
    classes. But he had a drum set.
    So when he got really nervous about money he told me he had moved to
    Salt Lake but was lined up to get this great job at Guitar City but he
    had to have a place to live etc. So I gave him another $1000 and for
    about 6 months I heard nothing except the same things he posted which
    got less and less rational as time went on. Then he got fired and I'm
    sure you read all about how it wasn't his fault. The problem was that he
    was hired to sell not make spread sheets. And after a roaring fight he
    got fired. But before that he had made a video of his 4 new guitars and
    all his other new stuff including the car. When he got out of money and
    started begging again I sent him a message suggesting he sell or pawn
    the guitars which caused an immediate screaming match. He was not
    getting rid of his tools (not that he was playing in a band) and that I
    was the rudest most inconsiderate, and nasty person he had ever known
    and he hated he had wasted his time and intelligence on me. By the way I
    have a PhD. In forensic psychology. He said his friends had been telling
    him he should cut all ties with me because I was not acting in his best interest. All this because I suggested e sell guitars he wasnt using.
    So after some very unpleasant back and forth like what he posted (he was
    not at fault, other people should be supporting him so he could change
    the world,xetc) and that was our last direct contact. A friend sent
    these texts hea been putting out because she wasnt aware of what had
    happened. And stupid as I am, when he said he had no money for food I
    sent him 25$ that I really didnt have. He took the money but no thank
    you ever came. I do want you to know that I have become disabled with
    leukemia , renal failure, and had a heart implant during the time which
    is why I can't work and am so broke. I have at least one doctors
    appointment or treatment every week.
    I just wanted to let you know that after my private note him that was
    much less to the point than yours was I started getting weird things on
    my computer and friend request that creeped me out. I hope this doesnt
    happen to you.
    Please do not talk to I'm about this because I really cant afford any
    more trouble."

    Holy crap. Let's see how John handles this!

    *I Could Save The World If Only Fake Liberals Would Let Me
    "Hey, I remember her. The wizard set up a GoFundMe for her without her permission."

    That's fucking beautiful. I wonder if she ever saw a cent?

    *I Could Save The World If Only Fake Liberals Would Let Me

    "Look at you, trying to play the martyr when you've been exposed for
    ripping off a chronically ill woman for $30,000."


    *John Henry
    "That would be the same "chronically ill woman" that you excoriated me
    for trying to raise money for a couple of years ago. The same
    "chronically ill woman" who decided - because of you - that rather than
    the truth she'd rather embrace bullshit and then publicly attack me over
    the bullshit. And Beth didn't write that; she's literate. You made it up
    based on conversations that been had here, in public. Nice try though.
    Next?"

    So you tried using other people's money for her? Not yours? Did she ever
    see a cent?

    *I Could Save The World If Only Fake Liberals Would Let Me
    "Yeah, it's our fault that she realized you had grifted $30k from her
    and not delivered a damn thing. You go ahead and tell yourself that."

    John Henry
    "Oh, and by the way, my 'friends' didn't tell me to do anything. I
    stopped talking to Beth because she lied about me, bought in to your
    bullshit and spread it, not only shoving a knife in my back but giving
    assholes like you more bullshit "ammo" to use like you think it proves
    anything except that the very conversation that took place right here,
    on this page, in public, happened. Huzzah for you, you've provided
    evidence of...nothing at all, because this was all known already. But
    I'm sure that just like Beth, some people will be dumb enough to buy in. Congratulations, another victory for you. Did you want to call the
    fucking plasma center and see if you can get me hosed out of there, too,
    since that's all I'm able to do for income anymore thanks to you?"

    *John Henry
    "You'll notice I'm not deleting anything. You want a martyr, fine. Get
    the job done. Kill me. It's what you want. Go ahead."

    *John Henry
    "Yeah, I think I'm gonna just keep on walking when I get done. This
    world and the people in it simply aren't worth this kind of trouble
    anymore. Y'all have fun, I'm sure Chad will regrettably be unable to get
    my computer to my daughter, and so everything will be completely lost
    and gone and it'll be like I never existed at all.

    Just what you wanted.

    Y'all take a good, close look.

    Hurry it up. "

    *Charles Yarenburg
    "Look, everyone. It's the Drama Queen with its mating call."

    *John Henry
    "Hey, thanks again for reminding me that no matter what I do, it'll be
    wrong because a stupid psycho is willing to manipulate a sick old woman
    into believing a bunch of bullshit. Just one more thing you've taken
    from me - my friends.

    Go ahead. Ask for it."


    *I Could Save The World If Only Fake Liberals Would Let Me
    "How did anyone except you manipulate a sick old woman? Did we contact
    her? No. Did she message any one of our "thousands" of pages? No. We
    didn't even know about this until she told one of *your* friends, who
    then spilled the beans, so how in the fuck did we manipulate her?

    The truth is that you don't even respect her enough to consider that she
    can make decisions for herself, including the decision to stop
    supporting your sorry ass. You don't care about anything that she said,
    or how you may have possibly affected her emotionally or financially.
    You're just pissed that she shut down the ATM."

    Wow! It seems JH deserves a whole lot of the karma he's experiencing.

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  • From Laz Mann@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 2 18:19:44 2023
    Why don't you shut up about Beth?

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  • From Laz Mann@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 4 16:31:35 2023
    On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:53:38 PM UTC-8, Davey Zimmerman #274 wrote:
    Laz Mann <laz...@protonmail.com> wrote in news:ca3da814-d7b3-4f33...@googlegroups.com:
    Why don't you shut up about Beth?
    Why don't you stop soliciting people for a sociopathic mooch that only
    acts nice to people as long as they keep sending the scumbag money?

    You know the drill, suckpoppet! Here you go.

    John Henry - Remorseless Moocher and Lying Ingrate

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.pro-wrestling/c/ARFqP1plpGc/m/xnFoz zMRGgAJ

    ************************

    This line explains everything: "Look, everyone. It's the Drama Queen
    with its mating call." (See below)


    *Lori Ambrose
    "What about the woman who messaged me, John, saying you leached off her while you were at school in Michigan was it. She paid your damn school
    bill man! And then some! what’s wrong with you."

    *John Henry
    "You're lying through your teeth, nobody messaged you about anything,
    you're trying to remember bits and pieces of rumors of things you think
    you might remember and can twist."

    Everyone else is the liar. It's never John. Or Chad.


    *John Henry
    "Nobody "paid my damn school bill man." Or if they did they forgot to
    tell the folks I have my student loans through."

    Looks like a lot of the money from something or someone never made it to
    the school.

    Watch John deflect, backpedal and blame the victim!

    *John Henry
    "Why are you people doing this to me?"

    *John Henry
    "And why are you pretending that your'e not doing anything at all?"

    Woe is John! Send more money!

    *Lori Ambrose
    "John Henry - I will send photos of the messAges"

    *John Henry
    "Like anyone can't photoshop a facebook message."

    Gee, the Net.Bastard said the same thing a few weeks back. And then he
    found out that it was Chadweasel and all was forgiven.

    *John Henry
    "Listen: I don't care. I don't care what you think you have, or what you
    do, or what conversations you say you've had, or with whom. What the
    fuck is your fucking POINT? Why are you jumping in, here and now? I've
    got nothing. Zero. My car's gone, my home's gone, 90% of my gear is
    gone, my fucking HAIR is falling out, I've *lost over thirty pounds in
    three weeks.* I'm *literally losing myself.*

    What the fuck more do you want from me?"

    Rule #1: Drama Queens always deflect!

    *Lori Ambrose
    "John Henry - Elizabeth Eastman Aultman is her name"


    *David Haberman
    "What's your problem with John Lori? Why are you attacking him?"

    Aha! An enabler pops up to defend Moocheroni!


    *John Henry
    "Yes, that would be Beth. Beth, who decided to publicly "call me out"
    after buying in to a whole raft of shit that had no basis in reality, to
    run me down for shit I wasn't doing, hadn't done, and wouldn't do, all because she chose to believe someone else's bullshit.

    How much do you think that's worth? How many dollars should a human
    being be williing to take in exchange for being publicly betrayed, humiliated, and lied about by someone calling themselves a friend?"

    I don't know, John. Just how much did you take from a person who should
    have never listened to your lies?

    *David Haberman
    "You mother fucking piece of goddamn shit Lori, I didn't know you were
    one of the mother fucking bastards that keep attacking him. Fuck you
    Lori, fucking piece of shit."

    Good job discussing the evidence, Davey boy. Get him a bowl of beefaroni
    as a treat, John!.

    *John Henry
    "Or more to the point, how much should a person be willing to allow themselves to be bribed by someone leveraging prior favors to
    rationalize, justify, or excuse later betrayal, humiliation, and lies?

    If you give me fifty bucks now, does that give you more or less license
    to abuse my trust and friendship than someone who has given me none?"

    You owe her how much money?

    How much have you repaid?

    And she abused your trust?

    *Lori Ambrose
    "John Henry - I didn’t photoshop anything."

    It's OK, Lori. John always claims it's everyone else who lies.

    *Lori Ambrose
    "John Henry - This is the bulk of what she said to me:Not sure why she thought I was a close friend...

    I havent ever talked to anybody about this for lots of reasons I'm sure
    you understand but after reading your response to JH it's obvious you
    are a friend who might get through to him. I met him through a mutual
    friend about ten years ago. He wanted to go to school like he had never
    had a chance to but you know there isn't enough financial aid to finance
    a year of school much less living and food and books, all that stuff.
    After after about a year I came into a significant amount of money and
    after talking to him his ideas were so possible and I really thought he could be part of changing what isn't a great world. He had gone to
    Michigan and enrolled knowing he didnt have the money. On his promise of getting a work study job and keeping his grades up I agreed to help him
    as I could and he needed. The first year was great. He never got a job
    but when you are 40 and barely graduated high school who need a little
    time to get into the swing of things. Well he never got a job or took classes that summer. He said there was no place to work close enough to
    walk if he just had a bike. So I bought him a bike. He still never got a
    job and then the bike got stolen (?). Second year same as the first. At
    that time I had about 30,000$ invested in his education. I was also in school taking 18 credit hours a semester including in summer school and taking care of my autistic son. Oh and working part time.
    The third year he started to tell me how he was keeping track snd
    intended to pay it all back. But he was only doing his blog and radio
    things and taking 3 classes.v still no job he never worked while he was
    in school. Then I literally ran out of money. When I told him during the beginning of the first semester of year 4 he quit school. He didnt tell
    me and since our entire correspondence was online I didnt know. Come to
    find out ge would not have graduated cause he missed too many days of classes. But he had a drum set.
    So when he got really nervous about money he told me he had moved to
    Salt Lake but was lined up to get this great job at Guitar City but he
    had to have a place to live etc. So I gave him another $1000 and for
    about 6 months I heard nothing except the same things he posted which
    got less and less rational as time went on. Then he got fired and I'm
    sure you read all about how it wasn't his fault. The problem was that he
    was hired to sell not make spread sheets. And after a roaring fight he
    got fired. But before that he had made a video of his 4 new guitars and
    all his other new stuff including the car. When he got out of money and started begging again I sent him a message suggesting he sell or pawn
    the guitars which caused an immediate screaming match. He was not
    getting rid of his tools (not that he was playing in a band) and that I
    was the rudest most inconsiderate, and nasty person he had ever known
    and he hated he had wasted his time and intelligence on me. By the way I have a PhD. In forensic psychology. He said his friends had been telling
    him he should cut all ties with me because I was not acting in his best interest. All this because I suggested e sell guitars he wasnt using.
    So after some very unpleasant back and forth like what he posted (he was
    not at fault, other people should be supporting him so he could change
    the world,xetc) and that was our last direct contact. A friend sent
    these texts hea been putting out because she wasnt aware of what had happened. And stupid as I am, when he said he had no money for food I
    sent him 25$ that I really didnt have. He took the money but no thank
    you ever came. I do want you to know that I have become disabled with leukemia , renal failure, and had a heart implant during the time which
    is why I can't work and am so broke. I have at least one doctors
    appointment or treatment every week.
    I just wanted to let you know that after my private note him that was
    much less to the point than yours was I started getting weird things on
    my computer and friend request that creeped me out. I hope this doesnt happen to you.
    Please do not talk to I'm about this because I really cant afford any
    more trouble."

    Holy crap. Let's see how John handles this!

    *I Could Save The World If Only Fake Liberals Would Let Me
    "Hey, I remember her. The wizard set up a GoFundMe for her without her permission."

    That's fucking beautiful. I wonder if she ever saw a cent?

    *I Could Save The World If Only Fake Liberals Would Let Me

    "Look at you, trying to play the martyr when you've been exposed for
    ripping off a chronically ill woman for $30,000."


    *John Henry
    "That would be the same "chronically ill woman" that you excoriated me
    for trying to raise money for a couple of years ago. The same
    "chronically ill woman" who decided - because of you - that rather than
    the truth she'd rather embrace bullshit and then publicly attack me over
    the bullshit. And Beth didn't write that; she's literate. You made it up based on conversations that been had here, in public. Nice try though. Next?"

    So you tried using other people's money for her? Not yours? Did she ever
    see a cent?

    *I Could Save The World If Only Fake Liberals Would Let Me
    "Yeah, it's our fault that she realized you had grifted $30k from her
    and not delivered a damn thing. You go ahead and tell yourself that."

    John Henry
    "Oh, and by the way, my 'friends' didn't tell me to do anything. I
    stopped talking to Beth because she lied about me, bought in to your bullshit and spread it, not only shoving a knife in my back but giving assholes like you more bullshit "ammo" to use like you think it proves anything except that the very conversation that took place right here,
    on this page, in public, happened. Huzzah for you, you've provided
    evidence of...nothing at all, because this was all known already. But
    I'm sure that just like Beth, some people will be dumb enough to buy in. Congratulations, another victory for you. Did you want to call the
    fucking plasma center and see if you can get me hosed out of there, too, since that's all I'm able to do for income anymore thanks to you?"

    *John Henry
    "You'll notice I'm not deleting anything. You want a martyr, fine. Get
    the job done. Kill me. It's what you want. Go ahead."

    *John Henry
    "Yeah, I think I'm gonna just keep on walking when I get done. This
    world and the people in it simply aren't worth this kind of trouble
    anymore. Y'all have fun, I'm sure Chad will regrettably be unable to get
    my computer to my daughter, and so everything will be completely lost
    and gone and it'll be like I never existed at all.

    Just what you wanted.

    Y'all take a good, close look.

    Hurry it up. "

    *Charles Yarenburg
    "Look, everyone. It's the Drama Queen with its mating call."

    *John Henry
    "Hey, thanks again for reminding me that no matter what I do, it'll be
    wrong because a stupid psycho is willing to manipulate a sick old woman
    into believing a bunch of bullshit. Just one more thing you've taken
    from me - my friends.

    Go ahead. Ask for it."


    *I Could Save The World If Only Fake Liberals Would Let Me
    "How did anyone except you manipulate a sick old woman? Did we contact
    her? No. Did she message any one of our "thousands" of pages? No. We
    didn't even know about this until she told one of *your* friends, who
    then spilled the beans, so how in the fuck did we manipulate her?

    The truth is that you don't even respect her enough to consider that she
    can make decisions for herself, including the decision to stop
    supporting your sorry ass. You don't care about anything that she said,
    or how you may have possibly affected her emotionally or financially.
    You're just pissed that she shut down the ATM."

    Wow! It seems JH deserves a whole lot of the karma he's experiencing.

    None of this proves anything.

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