• Another UPSET in WC2023 - Netherlands BEAT South Africa

    From FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 10:14:29 2023
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    Netherlands vs South Africa WC 2023

    Big Upset after Afghanistan beat defending Champion England a couple of
    days ago.

    Did South Africa make a mistake by choosing to bowl first after winning
    the toss OR they just became complacent and lost.


    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/netherlands-vs-south-africa-15th-match-1384406/full-scorecard

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america. on Tue Oct 17 19:14:17 2023
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    In message <ugmfdo$3350l$1@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes


    Netherlands vs South Africa WC 2023

    Big Upset after Afghanistan beat defending Champion England a couple of
    days ago.

    Yes, an even bigger upset when you compare the relative strength of the Afghanistan and Dutch sides. Well done the men in orange! It's going to
    make the match on Saturday between England and South Africa even more of
    a crunch game, with both sides coming off shock defeats and both needing
    to win if their chance of making the semis isn't to become close to
    zero. (I know that if SA lose to England it will only be their second
    defeat, but they still have India, NZ and Pakistan to play.)


    Did South Africa make a mistake by choosing to bowl first after winning
    the toss OR they just became complacent and lost.

    Given that Netherlands fell to 140-7 off 33.5 overs in a match reduced
    to 43 overs a side, it looks like bowling first was in theory the right decision. There was no way that the Dutch should have scored another 105
    runs off the last 9 overs and one ball while only losing one more
    wicket, but the bowling fell apart.
    --
    John Hall
    "Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
    from coughing."
    Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

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  • From FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@21:1/5 to John Hall on Tue Oct 17 22:42:25 2023
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    On 10/17/2023 11:14 AM, John Hall wrote:
    In message <ugmfdo$3350l$1@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes


    Netherlands vs South Africa WC 2023

    Big Upset after Afghanistan beat defending Champion England a couple
    of days ago.

    Yes, an even bigger upset when you compare the relative strength of the Afghanistan and Dutch sides. Well done the men in orange! It's going to
    make the match on Saturday between England and South Africa even more of
    a crunch game, with both sides coming off shock defeats and both needing
    to win if their chance of making the semis isn't to become close to
    zero. (I know that if SA lose to England it will only be their second
    defeat, but they still have India, NZ and Pakistan to play.)


    Did South Africa make a mistake by choosing to bowl first after
    winning the toss OR they just became complacent and lost.

    Given that Netherlands fell to 140-7 off 33.5 overs in a match reduced
    to 43 overs a side, it looks like bowling first was in theory the right decision. There was no way that the Dutch should have scored another 105
    runs off the last 9 overs and one ball while only losing one more
    wicket, but the bowling fell apart.



    But South Africa batting is so strong, shouldn't they have applied
    themselves better and overhauled Netherlands 245?


    South Africa scored 428 vs SL and 311 vs Australia which are much better
    teams than Netherlands.


    Bangladesh Chased down Afg with 158/4 in 30 overs and won on the same pitch.


    England scored 364 on the same pitch vs Bangladesh


    Dutch dudes played well though with more intensity than SA, it appeared.

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america. on Wed Oct 18 08:55:23 2023
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    In message <ugnr81$3fpvn$1@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer@america.com> writes
    On 10/17/2023 11:14 AM, John Hall wrote:
    <snip>
    Given that Netherlands fell to 140-7 off 33.5 overs in a match
    reduced to 43 overs a side, it looks like bowling first was in theory
    the right decision. There was no way that the Dutch should have
    scored another 105 runs off the last 9 overs and one ball while only >>losing one more wicket, but the bowling fell apart.



    But South Africa batting is so strong, shouldn't they have applied
    themselves better and overhauled Netherlands 245?

    Yes, they probably should have done. There was an interesting stat on
    ESPN showing that in recent years SA have had a very poor record when
    chasing in ODIs, only winning a third of those mmatches, so perhaps that
    ought to have influenced them to bat first.



    South Africa scored 428 vs SL and 311 vs Australia which are much
    better teams than Netherlands.


    Bangladesh Chased down Afg with 158/4 in 30 overs and won on the same pitch.


    England scored 364 on the same pitch vs Bangladesh


    Dutch dudes played well though with more intensity than SA, it appeared.


    Yep.
    --
    John Hall
    "Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
    from coughing."
    Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

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  • From Robert Henderson@21:1/5 to John Hall on Wed Oct 18 04:14:37 2023
    On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 7:18:37 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
    In message <ugmfdo$3350l$1...@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATe...@america.com> writes


    Netherlands vs South Africa WC 2023

    Big Upset after Afghanistan beat defending Champion England a couple of >days ago.
    Yes, an even bigger upset when you compare the relative strength of the Afghanistan and Dutch sides. Well done the men in orange! It's going to
    make the match on Saturday between England and South Africa even more of
    a crunch game, with both sides coming off shock defeats and both needing
    to win if their chance of making the semis isn't to become close to
    zero. (I know that if SA lose to England it will only be their second defeat, but they still have India, NZ and Pakistan to play.)

    Did South Africa make a mistake by choosing to bowl first after winning >the toss OR they just became complacent and lost.
    Given that Netherlands fell to 140-7 off 33.5 overs in a match reduced
    to 43 overs a side, it looks like bowling first was in theory the right decision. There was no way that the Dutch should have scored another 105 runs off the last 9 overs and one ball while only losing one more
    wicket, but the bowling fell apart.
    --
    John Hall
    "Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
    from coughing."
    Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

    There is a fitting side to the Dutch success at cricket. The Dutch were the closest to England as administers of an empire and the evolution of having some system of political representation .

    Hmmmm...I wonder if we are going to have get use to the likes of France v Germany and Spain v Portugal? RH

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  • From ansh khandelwal@21:1/5 to Robert Henderson on Tue Oct 24 22:24:05 2023
    On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 4:44:39 PM UTC+5:30, Robert Henderson wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 7:18:37 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
    In message <ugmfdo$3350l$1...@dont-email.me>, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATe...@america.com> writes


    Netherlands vs South Africa WC 2023

    Big Upset after Afghanistan beat defending Champion England a couple of >days ago.
    Yes, an even bigger upset when you compare the relative strength of the Afghanistan and Dutch sides. Well done the men in orange! It's going to make the match on Saturday between England and South Africa even more of
    a crunch game, with both sides coming off shock defeats and both needing to win if their chance of making the semis isn't to become close to
    zero. (I know that if SA lose to England it will only be their second defeat, but they still have India, NZ and Pakistan to play.)

    Did South Africa make a mistake by choosing to bowl first after winning >the toss OR they just became complacent and lost.
    Given that Netherlands fell to 140-7 off 33.5 overs in a match reduced
    to 43 overs a side, it looks like bowling first was in theory the right decision. There was no way that the Dutch should have scored another 105 runs off the last 9 overs and one ball while only losing one more
    wicket, but the bowling fell apart.
    --
    John Hall
    "Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
    from coughing."
    Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)
    There is a fitting side to the Dutch success at cricket. The Dutch were the closest to England as administers of an empire and the evolution of having some system of political representation .

    Hmmmm...I wonder if we are going to have get use to the likes of France v Germany and Spain v Portugal? RH
    Bishan Singh Bedi had been married to Anju Inderjit Bedi. He was survived by his wife Anju, his son Angad, and his daughter-in-law Neha Dhupia according to https://latestinbollywood.com/

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