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On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 01:22:29 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

Well done! You have quoted exactly one person who is not paid by the Heartland Institute.

Whah whah whah, WHAH!

Can't take the truth... attack the truth tellers, huh, prisoner Teabagger?

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A "teabagger" is a male Australian Greens member, who performs fellatio on another Australian Greens member... either sucking his balls or laying his genitals on his partner's face. <snicker>

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AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 01:22:29 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

Well done! You have quoted exactly one person who is not paid by the
Heartland Institute.

Whah whah whah, WHAH!

Can't take the truth... attack the truth tellers,

The Heartland Institute openly states that they are not interested in
the truth. They say their mission is to "Discover, develop, promote,
and empower people with free-market solutions to social and economic
problems" <https://www.heartland.org/>. How can they agree that the
government should control greenhouse gas emissions? The only free
market response to AGW is to deny it exists and/or deny it is a
problem.

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:08:54 +1000, Gordon Levi wrote:

AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 01:22:29 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

Well done! You have quoted exactly one person who is not paid by the
Heartland Institute.

Whah whah whah, WHAH!

Can't take the truth... attack the truth tellers,

The Heartland Institute openly states that they are not interested in
the truth. They say their mission is to "Discover, develop, promote,
and empower people with free-market solutions to social and economic >problems" <https://www.heartland.org/>. How can they agree that the >government should control greenhouse gas emissions?

Why should they?

Where is the demonstration that they need to be controlled?

What is the set point do you want government control to maintain?

The only free
market response to AGW is to deny it exists and/or deny it is a
problem.

The media has been pounding on an entire generation about the evils of
AGW and the need to "save the planet." If there is no free market
solution to your "problem" after that much free promotion of "the
cause" then maybe it is less of a problem than you imagine.

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Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 01:22:29 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

Well done! You have quoted exactly one person who is not paid by the
Heartland Institute.

Whah whah whah, WHAH!

Can't take the truth... attack the truth tellers,

The Heartland Institute openly states that they are not interested in
the truth.

Cite.

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:08:54 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 01:22:29 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

Well done! You have quoted exactly one person who is not paid by the
Heartland Institute.

Whah whah whah, WHAH!

Can't take the truth... attack the truth tellers,

The Heartland Institute openly states that they are not interested in
the truth.

Please cite that "statement". I can't find it. Could this be another
libertard trick, by a greenie, to throw his opinion around as if it's
fact?

They say their mission is to "Discover, develop, promote,
and empower people with free-market solutions to social and economic problems" <https://www.heartland.org/>.

Sounds like good ideals. I guess you're just another basement dwelling
dweeb, who can't find a job you're qualified for, since you wasted your
college tuition on bullshit psychobabble liberals arts.

You need to go to a good tech school, mate... get a job.

How can they agree that the government should control greenhouse gas emissions?

Uhhhh... I believe they DON'T "agree". BTW... agree with WHOM? Themselves?
That is not their "mission".

The only free market response to AGW is to deny it exists and/or deny it
is a problem.

It's NOT a problem, because there is no such thing as AGW. AGW was
theorized, but never proven, except in a test chamber in a laboratory (see below*), then along comes Al Bore, making millions off of his silly little movie. THAT opened the door for thousands, if not millions of people,
mostly scientists, wanting a piece of a rather large piece of pie...
extorted taxpayer monies.

http://tinypic.com/r/2d0xmyc/9

http://tinypic.com/r/5ca7vk/8

*****

*Below*

http://i.imgur.com/i9RSkyp.jpg

You'll notice the "abrupt" angle of the lines in the graph, look exactly
like the lines in Mann's "Hockey Shtick" graph. The Earth heats up, the
Earth cools down... it's been doing this for millions, if not BILLIONS of years.

It's NO warmer today, than it's been in the past. JUST because
we're here and spewing CO² and "pollutants" into the air, makes little difference... we have had "cool downs" while our CO² has gone up, PROVING
that CO² CAN'T be a driver of weather, temperatures or climate.

CO² regulates, it doesn't cause warming. MAYBE it does in a laboratory terrarium, but not in our huge atmosphere. A "climatologist" even once
said, that we cannot replicate all of Earth's variables in a chamber.

CO² has been "proven" to hold in warmth in a CHAMBER and ONLY in a
LABORATORY. "You" can't replicate all of the Earth's geography,
atmosphere, weather and climate "variables" in a 3 foot by 3 foot chamber.

Unless someone can re-create the The Earth itself, it's geology, The Sun,
the Moon, the stars, Earth's magnetic fields, air currents, ocean
currents, cloud patterns, resonant temperature cycles, energy storage,
release mechanisms, etc., there is NO way to prove CO² can "hold in
warmth". It's still just a THEORY. (facetiousness intended)

"We can do experiments on small scales in the lab. We can make
OBSERVATIONS on a global scale, but you're right... it IS hard to
replicate in a three foot by three foot chamber. It's a challenge to
replicate that." - Professor Kristie Boering, UC BERKELEY

Even a liberal at BERKELEY, of all places, knows you can't replicate ALL
of Earth's variables, in a laboratory.

Kristie A Boering
Professor of Chemistry and EPS

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Chom Noamsky <gooseburgers@quackup.com> wrote:

Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 01:22:29 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

Well done! You have quoted exactly one person who is not paid by the
Heartland Institute.

Whah whah whah, WHAH!

Can't take the truth... attack the truth tellers,

The Heartland Institute openly states that they are not interested in
the truth.

Cite.

I did in the bit you snipped. They say their mission is to "Discover,
develop, promote, and empower people with free-market solutions to
social and economic problems" <https://www.heartland.org/>. There is
no mention of the truth or any intent to provide it if it conflicts
with their free market solutions.

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Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:08:54 +1000, Gordon Levi wrote:

AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 01:22:29 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

Well done! You have quoted exactly one person who is not paid by the
Heartland Institute.

Whah whah whah, WHAH!

Can't take the truth... attack the truth tellers,

The Heartland Institute openly states that they are not interested in
the truth. They say their mission is to "Discover, develop, promote,
and empower people with free-market solutions to social and economic >>problems" <https://www.heartland.org/>. How can they agree that the >>government should control greenhouse gas emissions?

Why should they?

Where is the demonstration that they need to be controlled?

What is the set point do you want government control to maintain?

The point is not what they should do, it is what they could do. Once
they decide that their only cause is "free market solutions" then
their policy on AGW is determined and the scientists they hire can
only conform to this policy. That does not necessarily mean that they
are wrong. It does mean that their view is severely restricted by
their mission.

The only free
market response to AGW is to deny it exists and/or deny it is a
problem.

The media has been pounding on an entire generation about the evils of
AGW and the need to "save the planet." If there is no free market
solution to your "problem" after that much free promotion of "the
cause" then maybe it is less of a problem than you imagine.

Maybe. Or maybe some problems cannot be solved by a free market. The
media has been pounding on an entire generation about the evils of
terrorism and the need to "save the planet". If there is no free
market solution to this "problem" after that much free promotion of
"the cause" then maybe it is less of a problem than you imagine.

You can substitute almost anything including consumer rip-offs, animal
cruelty and crime for AGW in your paragraph.

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 23:12:58 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

The Heartland Institute openly states that they are not interested in
the truth.

Cite.

I did in the bit you snipped. They say their mission is to "Discover, develop, promote, and empower people with free-market solutions to
social and economic problems" <https://www.heartland.org/>. There is
no mention of the truth or any intent to provide it if it conflicts
with their free market solutions.

So, "openly stating" now means that if you DON'T mention something, you're openly stating that they don't believe or want something?

I thought you were an intelligent person. I was wrong... you're just
another basement dwelling nerdy shut-in JUST like the Chicken Littles we
have here in America.

President Obama NEVER stated that he was interested in the TRUTH in any of
his pre-election speeches. Hope and Change. Hmmmm... I don't see "truth".

So, I guess he's OPENLY stating, that he isn't interested in the truth,
huh?

Good thing too... he hasn't spoken the truth since.

Where do you morons come from... Uranus?

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Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Chom Noamsky <gooseburgers@quackup.com> wrote:

Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 01:22:29 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

Well done! You have quoted exactly one person who is not paid by the >>>>> Heartland Institute.

Whah whah whah, WHAH!

Can't take the truth... attack the truth tellers,

The Heartland Institute openly states that they are not interested in
the truth.

Cite.

I did in the bit you snipped. They say their mission is to "Discover, develop, promote, and empower people with free-market solutions to
social and economic problems" <https://www.heartland.org/>. There is
no mention of the truth or any intent to provide it if it conflicts
with their free market solutions.

So you admit you fabricated.

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AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 23:12:58 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

The Heartland Institute openly states that they are not interested in
the truth.

Cite.

I did in the bit you snipped. They say their mission is to "Discover,
develop, promote, and empower people with free-market solutions to
social and economic problems" <https://www.heartland.org/>. There is
no mention of the truth or any intent to provide it if it conflicts
with their free market solutions.

So, "openly stating" now means that if you DON'T mention something, you're >openly stating that they don't believe or want something?

I thought you were an intelligent person. I was wrong... you're just
another basement dwelling nerdy shut-in JUST like the Chicken Littles we
have here in America.

President Obama NEVER stated that he was interested in the TRUTH in any of >his pre-election speeches. Hope and Change. Hmmmm... I don't see "truth".

So, I guess he's OPENLY stating, that he isn't interested in the truth,
huh?

I haven't seen all his speeches but if they don't mention that he
wants to share the truth with the American people I think you can
safely assume that he will lie to preserve hope and change.

Good thing too... he hasn't spoken the truth since.

It seems you were warned not to trust him to tell the truth. You have
also been warned not to trust the Heartland Institute.

Where do you morons come from... Uranus?

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On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:22:42 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

So, I guess he's OPENLY stating, that he isn't interested in the truth, >huh?

I haven't seen all his speeches but if they don't mention that he
wants to share the truth with the American people I think you can
safely assume that he will lie to preserve hope and change.

You're an idiot. The media lies by omission, but that's another topic... PEOPLE, probably about 6.999 trillion of them, have NEVER said that all
they want, i.e., their mission in life, has NEVER been to state that what
they want is the truth.

Did YOU state that, BEFORE this discussion?

Good thing too... he hasn't spoken the truth since.

It seems you were warned not to trust him to tell the truth.

And THAT'S why I didn't vote for him, Myron. White guilt is all too
powerful a thing... same as in YOUR country.

You have also been warned not to trust the Heartland Institute.

By whom? Those who lie for a living?

I'll ask it again... where do you morons come from... Uranus?

You speak exactly like those teenaged nerds, who sat around the cafeteria
with other nerds, talking about Dungeons and Dragons and gaining super-
powers so they can one day have dominion over the world, all the while,
ringing their tiny little hands together, like a super-villain.

You can take the "tiny little hands" comment whichever way you want.

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On 8/16/2016 6:12 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:

Chom Noamsky <gooseburgers@quackup.com> wrote:

Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 01:22:29 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

Well done! You have quoted exactly one person who is not paid by the >>>>> Heartland Institute.

Whah whah whah, WHAH!

Can't take the truth... attack the truth tellers,

The Heartland Institute openly states that they are not interested in
the truth.

Cite.

I did in the bit you snipped. They say their mission is to "Discover, develop, promote, and empower people with free-market solutions to
social and economic problems" <https://www.heartland.org/>. There is
no mention of the truth or any intent to provide it if it conflicts
with their free market solutions.

So you just fabricated something they didn't actually say.

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On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 16:05:01 -0700, Chom Noamsky says...

On 8/16/2016 6:12 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:

Chom Noamsky <gooseburgers@quackup.com> wrote:

Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 01:22:29 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

Well done! You have quoted exactly one person who is not paid by the >>>>> Heartland Institute.

Whah whah whah, WHAH!

Can't take the truth... attack the truth tellers,

The Heartland Institute openly states that they are not interested in
the truth.

Cite.

I did in the bit you snipped. They say their mission is to "Discover, develop, promote, and empower people with free-market solutions to
social and economic problems" <https://www.heartland.org/>. There is
no mention of the truth or any intent to provide it if it conflicts
with their free market solutions.

So you just fabricated something they didn't actually say.

Liberals see dead bodies... ALL dead bodies... dead ONLY, because of
global warming. ;-)

The dinosaurs died because of Fords being driven during the Big Bangozoic.

Wholly Mammoths died because of our coal-fired electricity plants.

The Dodo bird died, because he was in the National Liberal or New Democrat party. [ba dum bum... tsssh]

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 23:41:00 +1000, Gordon Levi wrote:

Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:08:54 +1000, Gordon Levi wrote:

AlleyCat <al@aohell.com> wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 01:22:29 +1000, Gordon Levi says...

Well done! You have quoted exactly one person who is not paid by the >>>>> Heartland Institute.

Whah whah whah, WHAH!

Can't take the truth... attack the truth tellers,

The Heartland Institute openly states that they are not interested in
the truth. They say their mission is to "Discover, develop, promote,
and empower people with free-market solutions to social and economic >>>problems" <https://www.heartland.org/>. How can they agree that the >>>government should control greenhouse gas emissions?

Why should they?

Where is the demonstration that they need to be controlled?

What is the set point do you want government control to maintain?

The point is not what they should do, it is what they could do. Once
they decide that their only cause is "free market solutions" then
their policy on AGW is determined and the scientists they hire can
only conform to this policy.

Sounds like how "the consensus" was built.

That does not necessarily mean that they
are wrong. It does mean that their view is severely restricted by
their mission.

So you're opposed to meaningful mission statements and people working
with focus?

You must be part of NASA's cheering section.

The only free
market response to AGW is to deny it exists and/or deny it is a
problem.

The media has been pounding on an entire generation about the evils of
AGW and the need to "save the planet." If there is no free market
solution to your "problem" after that much free promotion of "the
cause" then maybe it is less of a problem than you imagine.

Maybe. Or maybe some problems cannot be solved by a free market. The
media has been pounding on an entire generation about the evils of
terrorism and the need to "save the planet". If there is no free
market solution to this "problem" after that much free promotion of
"the cause" then maybe it is less of a problem than you imagine.

You can substitute almost anything including consumer rip-offs, animal >cruelty and crime for AGW in your paragraph.

I didn't say free market solutions would *abolish* the "problem." Only
that if no free market solutions exist, then your "problem" is
suspect.

There are free market solutions to your other examples. Moguls hire
mercenaries to combat terrorists; the magazine "Consumers Report" is a
free market enterprise; humane products are manufactured by for-profit companies; RFID tags to deter shoplifting are demanded and produced by
the free market.

No, the free market can't solve everything.

But we have more than enough people looking at coercive measures to
solve your "problem."

Why are you opposed to people seeking win-win solutions?

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