• Lyin' Biden and the Dims are DESPERATE, spewing lies GOP demolish Socia

    From Tommy@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 1 20:57:28 2022
    and Medicare! This is a TOTAL LIE and they KNOW IT!! The WaPo gave it FOUR PINNOCHIOS!!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 2 19:11:32 2022
    Tommy wrote:

    [snipped presumed lies]

    Just have to say how amusing it is that the demented old pervert has
    reverted to the childhood version of his name; how many months 'til he
    reverts to Tomsie Womsie.

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  • From Irving S@21:1/5 to Tommy on Wed Nov 2 12:16:22 2022
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:57:29 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    and Medicare! This is a TOTAL LIE and they KNOW IT!! The WaPo gave it FOUR PINNOCHIOS!!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

    It is a total lie. Everytime we have a Republican administration, the left says Medicare and SS will be cut. It never happens. Not once! In fact, SS recipients will be getting an 8.7% increase, and I understand Medicare payments are going down. My
    mom has a Medicare Advantage Plan, with dental, eyeglass, and free gym membership. Her premium is zero. She went to her MD last week for a routine check, the deductible was $25! They will not take these plans away, that is hogwash.

    Scare tactics that never materialize, People are really starting to get it!

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Wed Nov 2 21:16:21 2022
    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:11:34 PM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:
    Tommy wrote:

    [snipped presumed lies]

    Just have to say how amusing it is that the demented old pervert has
    reverted to the childhood version of his name; how many months 'til he reverts to Tomsie Womsie.

    Hey BirdBrain, glad you noticed - my golf buddies affectionately refer to me as "Tommy," and is used by my closest friends. Since that is also how the libtards refer to me on RSG I thought it to be less confusing to others that I change my display name.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Nov 3 07:36:57 2022
    Tommy wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:11:34 PM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:
    Tommy wrote:

    [snipped presumed lies]

    Just have to say how amusing it is that the demented old pervert
    has reverted to the childhood version of his name; how many months
    'til he reverts to Tomsie Womsie.

    Hey BirdBrain,

    Hey Lizard faced cunt,

    glad you noticed - my golf buddies affectionately
    refer to me as "Tommy," and is used by my closest friends. Since that
    is also how the libtards refer to me on RSG I thought it to be less
    confusing to others that I change my display name.

    So your "golfing buddies" think you behave like a child as well;
    unsurprised.

    You are such a demented old pervert, Tomsy Womsy.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Thu Nov 3 08:57:31 2022
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 12:37:00 AM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:
    Tommy wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:11:34 PM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:
    Tommy wrote:

    [snipped presumed lies]

    Just have to say how amusing it is that the demented old pervert
    has reverted to the childhood version of his name; how many months
    'til he reverts to Tomsie Womsie.

    Hey BirdBrain,
    Hey Lizard faced cunt,
    glad you noticed - my golf buddies affectionately
    refer to me as "Tommy," and is used by my closest friends. Since that
    is also how the libtards refer to me on RSG I thought it to be less confusing to others that I change my display name.
    So your "golfing buddies" think you behave like a child as well;
    unsurprised.

    You are such a demented old pervert, Tomsy Womsy.

    YAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN....

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Nov 3 09:33:24 2022
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:57:29 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    and Medicare! This is a TOTAL LIE and they KNOW IT!! The WaPo gave it FOUR PINNOCHIOS!!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/


    Oh, so it wasn’t four Republican Senators, but just two who advocated to abolish both?

    Because that “both” requirement is why they didn’t include Senator Lee:

    < https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1588139132034945025?s=61&t=MAO9hzhk2SkybrziuyUueQ>

    -hh

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Nov 3 19:12:22 2022
    Tommy wrote:

    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 12:37:00 AM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:
    Tommy wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:11:34 PM UTC-7, Bigbird
    wrote:
    Tommy wrote:

    [snipped presumed lies]

    Just have to say how amusing it is that the demented old
    pervert has reverted to the childhood version of his name; how
    many months 'til he reverts to Tomsie Womsie.

    Hey BirdBrain,
    Hey Lizard faced cunt,
    glad you noticed - my golf buddies affectionately
    refer to me as "Tommy," and is used by my closest friends. Since
    that is also how the libtards refer to me on RSG I thought it to
    be less confusing to others that I change my display name.
    So your "golfing buddies" think you behave like a child as well; unsurprised.

    You are such a demented old pervert, Tomsy Womsy.

    YAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN....

    Tomsy Womsy demonstrating the effects of dementia.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu Nov 3 22:24:30 2022
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:33:26 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:57:29 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    and Medicare! This is a TOTAL LIE and they KNOW IT!! The WaPo gave it FOUR PINNOCHIOS!!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/
    Oh, so it wasn’t four Republican Senators, but just two who advocated to abolish both?

    Because that “both” requirement is why they didn’t include Senator Lee:

    < https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1588139132034945025?s=61&t=MAO9hzhk2SkybrziuyUueQ>

    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, is the WaPo, your libtard bible, WRONG?

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Fri Nov 4 02:44:48 2022
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:24:32 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:33:26 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:57:29 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    and Medicare! This is a TOTAL LIE and they KNOW IT!! The WaPo gave it FOUR PINNOCHIOS!!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

    Oh, so it wasn’t four Republican Senators, but just two who advocated to abolish both?

    Because that “both” requirement is why they didn’t include Senator Lee:

    < https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1588139132034945025?s=61&t=MAO9hzhk2SkybrziuyUueQ>


    Hey Lyin' Asshole, is the WaPo, your libtard bible, WRONG?

    Nope, and not what I said: the WP's fact-check was that there were fewer Republicans
    unequivocally advocating to abolish SS/MC then had been reported.

    That doesn't mean that there's no Republicans unequivocally advocating to kill SS or MC,
    as the video clip I provided of another Republican Senator (SEN Lee) proves.

    The bottom line is that Business would love to no longer have to pay their share of Social
    Security (6.2%) or Medicare taxes (1.45%) and Republicans in particular are eager to try
    to garner their campaign contribution donations by promising them to do that, regardless
    of the adverse consequences on the general public.

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat Nov 5 13:02:54 2022
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:44:50 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:24:32 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:33:26 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:57:29 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    and Medicare! This is a TOTAL LIE and they KNOW IT!! The WaPo gave it FOUR PINNOCHIOS!!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

    Oh, so it wasn’t four Republican Senators, but just two who advocated to abolish both?

    Because that “both” requirement is why they didn’t include Senator Lee:

    < https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1588139132034945025?s=61&t=MAO9hzhk2SkybrziuyUueQ>


    Hey Lyin' Asshole, is the WaPo, your libtard bible, WRONG?
    Nope, and not what I said: the WP's fact-check was that there were fewer Republicans
    unequivocally advocating to abolish SS/MC then had been reported.

    That doesn't mean that there's no Republicans unequivocally advocating to kill SS or MC,
    as the video clip I provided of another Republican Senator (SEN Lee) proves.

    The bottom line is that Business would love to no longer have to pay their share of Social
    Security (6.2%) or Medicare taxes (1.45%) and Republicans in particular are eager to try
    to garner their campaign contribution donations by promising them to do that, regardless
    of the adverse consequences on the general public.

    -hh

    The Bottom Line is that the Dims are LYING when they claim that Republicans want to abolish Social Security and Medicare, which would be political SUICIDE. What they want is to shore up its financial solvency, which IS in doubt. Just read the SS Trustee
    Report:
    https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/2021/
    Don't bother responding UNTIL you have actually READ this report.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat Nov 5 17:43:26 2022
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 4:02:56 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:44:50 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:24:32 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:33:26 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:57:29 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    and Medicare! This is a TOTAL LIE and they KNOW IT!! The WaPo gave it FOUR PINNOCHIOS!!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

    Oh, so it wasn’t four Republican Senators, but just two who advocated to abolish both?

    Because that “both” requirement is why they didn’t include Senator Lee:

    < https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1588139132034945025?s=61&t=MAO9hzhk2SkybrziuyUueQ>


    Hey Lyin' Asshole, is the WaPo, your libtard bible, WRONG?
    Nope, and not what I said: the WP's fact-check was that there were fewer Republicans
    unequivocally advocating to abolish SS/MC then had been reported.

    That doesn't mean that there's no Republicans unequivocally advocating to kill SS or MC,
    as the video clip I provided of another Republican Senator (SEN Lee) proves.

    The bottom line is that Business would love to no longer have to pay their share of Social
    Security (6.2%) or Medicare taxes (1.45%) and Republicans in particular are eager to try
    to garner their campaign contribution donations by promising them to do that, regardless
    of the adverse consequences on the general public.


    The Bottom Line is that the Dims are LYING when they claim that Republicans want to
    abolish Social Security and Medicare, which would be political SUICIDE.

    Well, as per the above, some do want to abolish both, and others (Lee) want to abolish
    at least Social Security, so how is it “suicide” for him when his statement got cheers?

    What they want is to shore up its financial solvency, which IS in doubt. Just read the SS Trustee Report:
    https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/2021/
    Don't bother responding UNTIL you have actually READ this report.

    Oh, I know of the SS solvency challenges; it’s partly why I excluded SS when I’d
    mentioned the robustness of my planned guaranteed retirement income stream.

    In any event, just what have the above mentioned Republicans have stated as their plan to restore the financial solvency of SS? Be specific, and provide the
    URLs for the documentation thereof…and don’t reply without them, because doing so reinforces what they’ve said that their goal is to defund SS and/or MC.

    -hh

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  • From Irving S@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sun Nov 6 06:35:01 2022
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 4:02:56 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:44:50 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:24:32 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:33:26 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:57:29 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    and Medicare! This is a TOTAL LIE and they KNOW IT!! The WaPo gave it FOUR PINNOCHIOS!!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

    Oh, so it wasn’t four Republican Senators, but just two who advocated to abolish both?

    Because that “both” requirement is why they didn’t include Senator Lee:

    < https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1588139132034945025?s=61&t=MAO9hzhk2SkybrziuyUueQ>


    Hey Lyin' Asshole, is the WaPo, your libtard bible, WRONG?
    Nope, and not what I said: the WP's fact-check was that there were fewer Republicans
    unequivocally advocating to abolish SS/MC then had been reported.

    That doesn't mean that there's no Republicans unequivocally advocating to kill SS or MC,
    as the video clip I provided of another Republican Senator (SEN Lee) proves.

    The bottom line is that Business would love to no longer have to pay their share of Social
    Security (6.2%) or Medicare taxes (1.45%) and Republicans in particular are eager to try
    to garner their campaign contribution donations by promising them to do that, regardless
    of the adverse consequences on the general public.

    -hh
    The Bottom Line is that the Dims are LYING when they claim that Republicans want to abolish Social Security and Medicare, which would be political SUICIDE. What they want is to shore up its financial solvency, which IS in doubt. Just read the SS
    Trustee Report:
    https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/2021/
    Don't bother responding UNTIL you have actually READ this report.


    Right on 100%. We have heard for years how the Republicans want to end SS. Pure fiction, just a desperate talking point. Problem is, it does not work any more.

    Even if they DID want to abolish SS, it would never happen. It would be political suicide for sure.

    A really stupid talking point embraced by the left. THey really need to find new talking points, this SS BS is pure fiction, people know it!

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Nov 7 20:21:41 2022
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:43:27 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 4:02:56 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:44:50 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:24:32 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:33:26 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:57:29 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    and Medicare! This is a TOTAL LIE and they KNOW IT!! The WaPo gave it FOUR PINNOCHIOS!!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

    Oh, so it wasn’t four Republican Senators, but just two who advocated to abolish both?

    Because that “both” requirement is why they didn’t include Senator Lee:

    < https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1588139132034945025?s=61&t=MAO9hzhk2SkybrziuyUueQ>


    Hey Lyin' Asshole, is the WaPo, your libtard bible, WRONG?
    Nope, and not what I said: the WP's fact-check was that there were fewer Republicans
    unequivocally advocating to abolish SS/MC then had been reported.

    That doesn't mean that there's no Republicans unequivocally advocating to kill SS or MC,
    as the video clip I provided of another Republican Senator (SEN Lee) proves.

    The bottom line is that Business would love to no longer have to pay their share of Social
    Security (6.2%) or Medicare taxes (1.45%) and Republicans in particular are eager to try
    to garner their campaign contribution donations by promising them to do that, regardless
    of the adverse consequences on the general public.


    The Bottom Line is that the Dims are LYING when they claim that Republicans want to
    abolish Social Security and Medicare, which would be political SUICIDE.
    Well, as per the above, some do want to abolish both, and others (Lee) want to abolish
    at least Social Security, so how is it “suicide” for him when his statement got cheers?
    What they want is to shore up its financial solvency, which IS in doubt. Just read the SS Trustee Report:
    https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/2021/
    Don't bother responding UNTIL you have actually READ this report.
    Oh, I know of the SS solvency challenges; it’s partly why I excluded SS when I’d
    mentioned the robustness of my planned guaranteed retirement income stream.

    In any event, just what have the above mentioned Republicans have stated as their plan to restore the financial solvency of SS? Be specific, and provide the
    URLs for the documentation thereof…and don’t reply without them, because doing so reinforces what they’ve said that their goal is to defund SS and/or MC.

    -hh

    The most obvious change is to gradually increase the retirement age.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Tommy on Mon Nov 21 21:24:46 2022
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:43:27 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 4:02:56 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:44:50 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:24:32 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:33:26 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:57:29 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    and Medicare! This is a TOTAL LIE and they KNOW IT!! The WaPo gave it FOUR PINNOCHIOS!!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

    Oh, so it wasn’t four Republican Senators, but just two who advocated to abolish both?

    Because that “both” requirement is why they didn’t include Senator Lee:

    < https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1588139132034945025?s=61&t=MAO9hzhk2SkybrziuyUueQ>


    Hey Lyin' Asshole, is the WaPo, your libtard bible, WRONG?
    Nope, and not what I said: the WP's fact-check was that there were fewer Republicans
    unequivocally advocating to abolish SS/MC then had been reported.

    That doesn't mean that there's no Republicans unequivocally advocating to kill SS or MC,
    as the video clip I provided of another Republican Senator (SEN Lee) proves.

    The bottom line is that Business would love to no longer have to pay their share of Social
    Security (6.2%) or Medicare taxes (1.45%) and Republicans in particular are eager to try
    to garner their campaign contribution donations by promising them to do that, regardless
    of the adverse consequences on the general public.


    The Bottom Line is that the Dims are LYING when they claim that Republicans want to
    abolish Social Security and Medicare, which would be political SUICIDE.
    Well, as per the above, some do want to abolish both, and others (Lee) want to abolish
    at least Social Security, so how is it “suicide” for him when his statement got cheers?
    What they want is to shore up its financial solvency, which IS in doubt. Just read the SS Trustee Report:
    https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/2021/
    Don't bother responding UNTIL you have actually READ this report.
    Oh, I know of the SS solvency challenges; it’s partly why I excluded SS when I’d
    mentioned the robustness of my planned guaranteed retirement income stream.

    In any event, just what have the above mentioned Republicans have stated as
    their plan to restore the financial solvency of SS? Be specific, and provide the
    URLs for the documentation thereof…and don’t reply without them, because
    doing so reinforces what they’ve said that their goal is to defund SS and/or MC.

    -hh
    The most obvious change is to gradually increase the retirement age.

    Funny, NONE of the libtards ever responded to this!

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Tue Nov 22 05:27:19 2022
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:24:48 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:43:27 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    ...
    Oh, I know of the SS solvency challenges; it’s partly why I excluded SS when I’d
    mentioned the robustness of my planned guaranteed retirement income stream.

    In any event, just what have the above mentioned Republicans have stated as
    their plan to restore the financial solvency of SS? Be specific, and provide the
    URLs for the documentation thereof…and don’t reply without them, because
    doing so reinforces what they’ve said that their goal is to defund SS and/or MC.

    The most obvious change is to gradually increase the retirement age.
    Funny, NONE of the libtards ever responded to this!

    Apologies, I missed the reply.

    First off, is raising the retirement age your proposal, or a Republican one? Because I asked you for the latter, not the former.

    Second, what are the ramifications of that proposal? Specifically, do they disproportionately benefit the wealthy over the working class? After all, blue collar jobs tend to beat up the body such that it is often already physically 'worn out' by age 65, let alone 67 or higher.

    Third, isn't the most obvious change the one that we've done before, namely
    to raise the annual contribution limit? This year, it is just $147,000, and that's
    before considering how there's loopholes which raise compensation in ways
    that aren't taxable, such as through stock options: why not require employer SS contributions on *all* employee compensation forms?

    FWIW, these means of increasing income inequity show up in other ways too;
    take the RMDs on 401(k)s as an example: the non-1%ers need to spend out of their 401k to have a retirement income stream long before they get to age 72. Similarly, the recent change on IRA benefit to a ten year withdrawal timeline allows for market timing for those who don't need the money.

    -hh

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Nov 22 12:35:30 2022
    On 2022-11-22 05:27, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:24:48 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:43:27 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    ...
    Oh, I know of the SS solvency challenges; it’s partly why I excluded SS when I’d
    mentioned the robustness of my planned guaranteed retirement income stream.

    In any event, just what have the above mentioned Republicans have stated as
    their plan to restore the financial solvency of SS? Be specific, and provide the
    URLs for the documentation thereof…and don’t reply without them, because
    doing so reinforces what they’ve said that their goal is to defund SS and/or MC.

    The most obvious change is to gradually increase the retirement age.
    Funny, NONE of the libtards ever responded to this!

    Apologies, I missed the reply.

    First off, is raising the retirement age your proposal, or a Republican one? Because I asked you for the latter, not the former.

    Second, what are the ramifications of that proposal? Specifically, do they disproportionately benefit the wealthy over the working class? After all, blue collar jobs tend to beat up the body such that it is often already physically 'worn out' by age 65, let alone 67 or higher.

    Third, isn't the most obvious change the one that we've done before, namely to raise the annual contribution limit? This year, it is just $147,000, and that's
    before considering how there's loopholes which raise compensation in ways that aren't taxable, such as through stock options: why not require employer SS contributions on *all* employee compensation forms?

    FWIW, these means of increasing income inequity show up in other ways too; take the RMDs on 401(k)s as an example: the non-1%ers need to spend out of their 401k to have a retirement income stream long before they get to age 72. Similarly, the recent change on IRA benefit to a ten year withdrawal timeline allows for market timing for those who don't need the money.

    And then, of course, there are McConnell's statements about how the huge
    tax cuts for the wealthiest wouldn't increase the deficit...

    ...and then when it utterly predictably increased the deficit, start
    talking about how there really needed to be cuts to Social Security,
    Medicare, and Medicaid.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Wed Nov 23 18:45:26 2022
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:27:21 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:24:48 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:43:27 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    ...
    Oh, I know of the SS solvency challenges; it’s partly why I excluded SS when I’d
    mentioned the robustness of my planned guaranteed retirement income stream.

    In any event, just what have the above mentioned Republicans have stated as
    their plan to restore the financial solvency of SS? Be specific, and provide the
    URLs for the documentation thereof…and don’t reply without them, because
    doing so reinforces what they’ve said that their goal is to defund SS and/or MC.

    The most obvious change is to gradually increase the retirement age.
    Funny, NONE of the libtards ever responded to this!
    Apologies, I missed the reply.

    First off, is raising the retirement age your proposal, or a Republican one? Because I asked you for the latter, not the former.

    Second, what are the ramifications of that proposal? Specifically, do they disproportionately benefit the wealthy over the working class? After all, blue collar jobs tend to beat up the body such that it is often already physically 'worn out' by age 65, let alone 67 or higher.

    Third, isn't the most obvious change the one that we've done before, namely to raise the annual contribution limit? This year, it is just $147,000, and that's
    before considering how there's loopholes which raise compensation in ways that aren't taxable, such as through stock options: why not require employer SS contributions on *all* employee compensation forms?

    FWIW, these means of increasing income inequity show up in other ways too; take the RMDs on 401(k)s as an example: the non-1%ers need to spend out of their 401k to have a retirement income stream long before they get to age 72.
    Similarly, the recent change on IRA benefit to a ten year withdrawal timeline
    allows for market timing for those who don't need the money.

    -hh

    Okay, Lyin' Asshole, let's hear the DIM "solution" to save Social Security and Medicare. Be sure to include links, references, quotes, etc.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Wed Nov 23 20:25:06 2022
    On 2022-11-23 18:45, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:27:21 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:24:48 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:43:27 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    ...
    Oh, I know of the SS solvency challenges; it’s partly why I excluded SS when I’d
    mentioned the robustness of my planned guaranteed retirement income stream.

    In any event, just what have the above mentioned Republicans have stated as
    their plan to restore the financial solvency of SS? Be specific, and provide the
    URLs for the documentation thereof…and don’t reply without them, because
    doing so reinforces what they’ve said that their goal is to defund SS and/or MC.

    The most obvious change is to gradually increase the retirement age.
    Funny, NONE of the libtards ever responded to this!
    Apologies, I missed the reply.

    First off, is raising the retirement age your proposal, or a Republican one? >> Because I asked you for the latter, not the former.

    Second, what are the ramifications of that proposal? Specifically, do they >> disproportionately benefit the wealthy over the working class? After all,
    blue collar jobs tend to beat up the body such that it is often already
    physically 'worn out' by age 65, let alone 67 or higher.

    Third, isn't the most obvious change the one that we've done before, namely >> to raise the annual contribution limit? This year, it is just $147,000, and that's
    before considering how there's loopholes which raise compensation in ways
    that aren't taxable, such as through stock options: why not require employer >> SS contributions on *all* employee compensation forms?

    FWIW, these means of increasing income inequity show up in other ways too; >> take the RMDs on 401(k)s as an example: the non-1%ers need to spend out of >> their 401k to have a retirement income stream long before they get to age 72.
    Similarly, the recent change on IRA benefit to a ten year withdrawal timeline
    allows for market timing for those who don't need the money.

    -hh

    Okay, Lyin' Asshole, let's hear the DIM "solution" to save Social Security and Medicare. Be sure to include links, references, quotes, etc.

    A good start would be repealing the Trump tax cuts that only benefited
    the rich and increased the deficit.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Nov 24 00:31:38 2022
    On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 11:25:11 PM UTC-5, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-11-23 18:45, Tommy wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:27:21 AM UTC-8, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:24:48 AM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:21:42 PM UTC-8, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:43:27 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    ...
    Oh, I know of the SS solvency challenges; it’s partly why I excluded SS when I’d
    mentioned the robustness of my planned guaranteed retirement income stream.

    In any event, just what have the above mentioned Republicans have stated as
    their plan to restore the financial solvency of SS? Be specific, and provide the
    URLs for the documentation thereof…and don’t reply without them, because
    doing so reinforces what they’ve said that their goal is to defund SS and/or MC.

    The most obvious change is to gradually increase the retirement age. >>> Funny, NONE of the libtards ever responded to this!
    Apologies, I missed the reply.

    First off, is raising the retirement age your proposal, or a Republican one?
    Because I asked you for the latter, not the former.

    Second, what are the ramifications of that proposal? Specifically, do they
    disproportionately benefit the wealthy over the working class? After all, >> blue collar jobs tend to beat up the body such that it is often already >> physically 'worn out' by age 65, let alone 67 or higher.

    Third, isn't the most obvious change the one that we've done before, namely
    to raise the annual contribution limit? This year, it is just $147,000, and that's
    before considering how there's loopholes which raise compensation in ways >> that aren't taxable, such as through stock options: why not require employer
    SS contributions on *all* employee compensation forms?

    FWIW, these means of increasing income inequity show up in other ways too;
    take the RMDs on 401(k)s as an example: the non-1%ers need to spend out of
    their 401k to have a retirement income stream long before they get to age 72.
    Similarly, the recent change on IRA benefit to a ten year withdrawal timeline
    allows for market timing for those who don't need the money.

    -hh

    Okay, Lyin' Asshole, let's hear the DIM "solution" to save Social Security and Medicare.
    Be sure to include links, references, quotes, etc.

    FYI: "...and Medicare" is a goalpost move.

    A good start would be repealing the Trump tax cuts that only benefited
    the rich and increased the deficit.

    True, but that reduces the deficit, which is independent from the Social Security Trust Fund.

    In any event, these are concrete suggestions that we've come up with on RSG; they didn't
    try to represent what politicians have proposed. For what proposals have been made this
    year by Democratic representatives, it looks like they've have focused primarily on raising
    the annual SS contribution limit, but have other tweaks as well:

    <https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/09/sanders-warren-bill-would-extend-social-securitys-solvency-expand-benefits.html>
    <https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/15/what-democrats-call-for-social-security-reform-means-for-benefits.html>


    -hh

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  • From marika@21:1/5 to Tommy on Thu Dec 1 09:06:44 2022
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:02:56 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:44:50 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:24:32 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:33:26 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:57:29 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    and Medicare! This is a TOTAL LIE and they KNOW IT!! The WaPo gave it FOUR PINNOCHIOS!!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

    Oh, so it wasn’t four Republican Senators, but just two who advocated to abolish both?

    Because that “both” requirement is why they didn’t include Senator Lee:

    < https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1588139132034945025?s=61&t=MAO9hzhk2SkybrziuyUueQ>


    Hey Lyin' Asshole, is the WaPo, your libtard bible, WRONG?
    Nope, and not what I said: the WP's fact-check was that there were fewer Republicans
    unequivocally advocating to abolish SS/MC then had been reported.

    That doesn't mean that there's no Republicans unequivocally advocating to kill SS or MC,
    as the video clip I provided of another Republican Senator (SEN Lee) proves.

    The bottom line is that Business would love to no longer have to pay their share of Social
    Security (6.2%) or Medicare taxes (1.45%) and Republicans in particular are eager to try
    to garner their campaign contribution donations by promising them to do that, regardless
    of the adverse consequences on the general public.

    -hh
    The Bottom Line is that the Dims are LYING when they claim that Republicans want to abolish Social Security and Medicare, which would be political SUICIDE. What they want is to shore up its financial solvency, which IS in doubt. Just read the SS
    Trustee Report:
    https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/2021/
    Don't bother responding UNTIL you have actually READ this report.

    I read it

    The bottom line is you are in error

    https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/02/03/1450209/to-live-your-best-life-do-mathematics

    Excerpts from an article on Quanta Magazine, rearranged for clarity and space: Math conferences don't usually feature standing ovations, but Francis Su received one last month in Atlanta. In his talk he framed mathematics as a pursuit uniquely suited to
    the achievement of human flourishing, a concept the ancient Greeks called eudaimonia, or a life composed of all the highest goods. Su talked of five basic human desires that are met through the pursuit of mathematics: play, beauty, truth, justice and
    love. Su opened his talk with the story of Christopher, an inmate serving a long sentence for armed robbery who had begun to teach himself math from textbooks he had ordered. After seven years in prison, during which he studied algebra, trigonometry,
    geometry and calculus, he wrote to Su asking for advice on how to continue his work. After Su told this story, he asked the packed ballroom at the Marriott Marquis, his voice breaking: "When you think of who does mathematics, do you think of Christopher?"
    If mathematics is a medium for human flourishing, it stands to reason that everyone should have a chance to participate in it. But in his talk Su identified what he views as structural barriers in the mathematical community that dictate who gets the
    opportunity to succeed in the field -- from the requirements attached to graduate school admissions to implicit assumptions about who looks the part of a budding mathematician. When Su finished his talk, the audience rose to its feet and applauded, and
    many of his fellow mathematicians came up to him afterward to say he had made them cry. [...] Mathematics builds skills that allow people to do things they might otherwise not have been able to do or experience. If I learn mathematics and I become a
    better thinker, I develop perseverance, because I know what it's like to wrestle with a hard problem, and I develop hopefulness that I will actually solve these problems. And some people experience a kind of transcendent wonder that they're seeing
    something true about the universe. That's a source of joy and flourishing.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to marika on Fri Dec 2 17:35:56 2022
    On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 9:06:46 AM UTC-8, marika wrote:
    On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:02:56 PM UTC-5, Tommy wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:44:50 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 1:24:32 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 9:33:26 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 11:57:29 PM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    and Medicare! This is a TOTAL LIE and they KNOW IT!! The WaPo gave it FOUR PINNOCHIOS!!!
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

    Oh, so it wasn’t four Republican Senators, but just two who advocated to abolish both?

    Because that “both” requirement is why they didn’t include Senator Lee:

    < https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/status/1588139132034945025?s=61&t=MAO9hzhk2SkybrziuyUueQ>


    Hey Lyin' Asshole, is the WaPo, your libtard bible, WRONG?
    Nope, and not what I said: the WP's fact-check was that there were fewer Republicans
    unequivocally advocating to abolish SS/MC then had been reported.

    That doesn't mean that there's no Republicans unequivocally advocating to kill SS or MC,
    as the video clip I provided of another Republican Senator (SEN Lee) proves.

    The bottom line is that Business would love to no longer have to pay their share of Social
    Security (6.2%) or Medicare taxes (1.45%) and Republicans in particular are eager to try
    to garner their campaign contribution donations by promising them to do that, regardless
    of the adverse consequences on the general public.

    -hh
    The Bottom Line is that the Dims are LYING when they claim that Republicans want to abolish Social Security and Medicare, which would be political SUICIDE. What they want is to shore up its financial solvency, which IS in doubt. Just read the SS
    Trustee Report:
    https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/2021/
    Don't bother responding UNTIL you have actually READ this report.
    I read it

    The bottom line is you are in error

    https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/02/03/1450209/to-live-your-best-life-do-mathematics

    Excerpts from an article on Quanta Magazine, rearranged for clarity and space: Math conferences don't usually feature standing ovations, but Francis Su received one last month in Atlanta. In his talk he framed mathematics as a pursuit uniquely suited
    to the achievement of human flourishing, a concept the ancient Greeks called eudaimonia, or a life composed of all the highest goods. Su talked of five basic human desires that are met through the pursuit of mathematics: play, beauty, truth, justice and
    love. Su opened his talk with the story of Christopher, an inmate serving a long sentence for armed robbery who had begun to teach himself math from textbooks he had ordered. After seven years in prison, during which he studied algebra, trigonometry,
    geometry and calculus, he wrote to Su asking for advice on how to continue his work. After Su told this story, he asked the packed ballroom at the Marriott Marquis, his voice breaking: "When you think of who does mathematics, do you think of Christopher?"
    If mathematics is a medium for human flourishing, it stands to reason that everyone should have a chance to participate in it. But in his talk Su identified what he views as structural barriers in the mathematical community that dictate who gets the
    opportunity to succeed in the field -- from the requirements attached to graduate school admissions to implicit assumptions about who looks the part of a budding mathematician. When Su finished his talk, the audience rose to its feet and applauded, and
    many of his fellow mathematicians came up to him afterward to say he had made them cry. [...] Mathematics builds skills that allow people to do things they might otherwise not have been able to do or experience. If I learn mathematics and I become a
    better thinker, I develop perseverance, because I know what it's like to wrestle with a hard problem, and I develop hopefulness that I will actually solve these problems. And some people experience a kind of transcendent wonder that they're seeing
    something true about the universe. That's a source of joy and flourishing.

    The "Bottom Line" is that YOU and SU don't know SHIT about actuarial concepts!

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