• Flooded Teslas are now catching fire and taxing firefighting resources

    From TomS@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 7 11:21:38 2022
    Teslas, and other EVs, caught in salt flood water are shorting out and catching fire. Worse, each EV fire still ties up firefighters for many hours and requires thousands of gallons of water to keep them cool. When water is unavailable due to
    infrastructure failure they must let them burn and protect surrounding structures.

    People who fled their homes in their long-range gas-powered cars and left their EVs behind in their garages run the risk of the EV catching fire and burning the house down.

    Furthermore, EVs that have been exposed to salt water start a corrosion process that may not result in a fire until months later, making them ticking time bombs.

    This IS the perfect storm for EVs. https://weartv.com/news/local/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian-florida-official-warns-cars-explosions-collier-lee-southwest-landfall-storm-damage
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/7/electric-vehicle-batteries-corroded-hurricane-ian-/

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Fri Oct 7 11:29:22 2022
    On 2022-10-07 11:21, TomS wrote:
    Teslas, and other EVs, caught in salt flood water are shorting out and catching fire. Worse, each EV fire still ties up firefighters for many hours and requires thousands of gallons of water to keep them cool. When water is unavailable due to
    infrastructure failure they must let them burn and protect surrounding structures.

    People who fled their homes in their long-range gas-powered cars and left their EVs behind in their garages run the risk of the EV catching fire and burning the house down.

    Furthermore, EVs that have been exposed to salt water start a corrosion process that may not result in a fire until months later, making them ticking time bombs.

    This IS the perfect storm for EVs. https://weartv.com/news/local/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian-florida-official-warns-cars-explosions-collier-lee-southwest-landfall-storm-damage
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/7/electric-vehicle-batteries-corroded-hurricane-ian-/

    'he said there are "a ton" of EVs currently disabled from the storm.'

    "disabled" is not "on fire".

    He's clearly making a PREDICTION, and I don't see anything in his job description that shows he'd have the necessary expertise to make that prediction.

    'There is currently no official count of how many EV batteries have
    caught fire as a result of Hurricane Ian.'


    And:

    'Study: Electric Vehicles Involved in Fewest Car Fires'

    <https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/>

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  • From bruce bowser@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 7 12:12:35 2022
    " ... combustion-powered cars are statistically more likely to catch on fire than electric cars."

    Car Buzz Magazine -.Sep 22, 2021
    -- https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-a-tesla-owner-save-driver-from-burning-bmw-x1-before-it-explodes

    (Tom Loses Again)

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Fri Oct 7 21:26:34 2022
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 12:12:36 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
    " ... combustion-powered cars are statistically more likely to catch on fire than electric cars."

    Car Buzz Magazine -.Sep 22, 2021
    -- https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-a-tesla-owner-save-driver-from-burning-bmw-x1-before-it-explodes

    (Tom Loses Again)

    Nope, Bowser Wowser, YOU lose again!

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Oct 7 21:25:55 2022
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 11:21, TomS wrote:
    Teslas, and other EVs, caught in salt flood water are shorting out and catching fire. Worse, each EV fire still ties up firefighters for many hours and requires thousands of gallons of water to keep them cool. When water is unavailable due to
    infrastructure failure they must let them burn and protect surrounding structures.

    People who fled their homes in their long-range gas-powered cars and left their EVs behind in their garages run the risk of the EV catching fire and burning the house down.

    Furthermore, EVs that have been exposed to salt water start a corrosion process that may not result in a fire until months later, making them ticking time bombs.

    This IS the perfect storm for EVs. https://weartv.com/news/local/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian-florida-official-warns-cars-explosions-collier-lee-southwest-landfall-storm-damage
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/7/electric-vehicle-batteries-corroded-hurricane-ian-/
    'he said there are "a ton" of EVs currently disabled from the storm.'

    "disabled" is not "on fire".

    "Disabled" includes those that caught fire as well as those that are about to catch fire.


    He's clearly making a PREDICTION, and I don't see anything in his job description that shows he'd have the necessary expertise to make that prediction.

    'There is currently no official count of how many EV batteries have
    caught fire as a result of Hurricane Ian.'

    I heard a count of 10 by a fire chief.



    And:

    'Study: Electric Vehicles Involved in Fewest Car Fires'

    <https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/>

    Gas-powered cars DON'T catch fire when submerged in water, so this study is not relevant. Also, EVs have not as a group reached the average age of gas-powered cars. Most ICE fires involve older vehicles. And when they do they are FAR easier to put out
    than EVs.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Sat Oct 8 00:17:49 2022
    On 2022-10-07 21:25, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 11:21, TomS wrote:
    Teslas, and other EVs, caught in salt flood water are shorting
    out and catching fire. Worse, each EV fire still ties up
    firefighters for many hours and requires thousands of gallons of
    water to keep them cool. When water is unavailable due to
    infrastructure failure they must let them burn and protect
    surrounding structures.

    People who fled their homes in their long-range gas-powered cars
    and left their EVs behind in their garages run the risk of the EV
    catching fire and burning the house down.

    Furthermore, EVs that have been exposed to salt water start a
    corrosion process that may not result in a fire until months
    later, making them ticking time bombs.

    This IS the perfect storm for EVs.
    https://weartv.com/news/local/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian-florida-official-warns-cars-explosions-collier-lee-southwest-landfall-storm-damage

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/7/electric-vehicle-batteries-corroded-hurricane-ian-/
    'he said there are "a ton" of EVs currently disabled from the
    storm.'

    "disabled" is not "on fire".

    "Disabled" includes those that caught fire as well as those that are
    about to catch fire.

    That's "supposition" on your part.

    I suggest you look up the word.



    He's clearly making a PREDICTION, and I don't see anything in his
    job description that shows he'd have the necessary expertise to
    make that prediction.

    'There is currently no official count of how many EV batteries
    have caught fire as a result of Hurricane Ian.'

    I heard a count of 10 by a fire chief.

    Where?

    Let's see a source, Sunshine.




    And:

    'Study: Electric Vehicles Involved in Fewest Car Fires'

    <https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/>


    Gas-powered cars DON'T catch fire when submerged in water, so this
    study is not relevant. Also, EVs have not as a group reached the
    average age of gas-powered cars. Most ICE fires involve older
    vehicles. And when they do they are FAR easier to put out than EVs.
    What is your support for "Most ICE fires involve older vehicles."

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Oct 8 13:33:24 2022
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 3:17:52 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 21:25, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 11:21, TomS wrote:
    Teslas, and other EVs, caught in salt flood water are shorting
    out and catching fire. Worse, each EV fire still ties up
    firefighters for many hours and requires thousands of gallons of
    water to keep them cool. When water is unavailable due to
    infrastructure failure they must let them burn and protect
    surrounding structures.

    People who fled their homes in their long-range gas-powered cars
    and left their EVs behind in their garages run the risk of the EV
    catching fire and burning the house down.

    Furthermore, EVs that have been exposed to salt water start a
    corrosion process that may not result in a fire until months
    later, making them ticking time bombs.

    This IS the perfect storm for EVs.
    https://weartv.com/news/local/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian-florida-official-warns-cars-explosions-collier-lee-southwest-landfall-storm-damage

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/7/electric-vehicle-batteries-corroded-hurricane-ian-/
    'he said there are "a ton" of EVs currently disabled from the
    storm.'

    "disabled" is not "on fire".

    "Disabled" includes those that caught fire as well as those that are
    about to catch fire.

    That's "supposition" on your part.


    What I find curious is if this is even reasonably a big concern, given first principles.

    Case in point: the claim is that dunking an EV in seawater creates fires, right?

    Well, the presumption here is salt water contact with the electrical system, but if that’s the case because saltwater contains an electrolyte, it’s going
    to discharge the battery pack. So okay, there can be some exothermic
    reactions while it is dunked…but that’s also self-extinguishing for the bottom of the car where the batteries are located.

    One that energy is thus consumed, what’s left as an energy source to
    cause any additional fire as waters recede and the vehicle dries out?


    -hh

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to -hh on Sat Oct 8 20:08:00 2022
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:33:26 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 3:17:52 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 21:25, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 11:21, TomS wrote:
    Teslas, and other EVs, caught in salt flood water are shorting
    out and catching fire. Worse, each EV fire still ties up
    firefighters for many hours and requires thousands of gallons of
    water to keep them cool. When water is unavailable due to
    infrastructure failure they must let them burn and protect
    surrounding structures.

    People who fled their homes in their long-range gas-powered cars
    and left their EVs behind in their garages run the risk of the EV
    catching fire and burning the house down.

    Furthermore, EVs that have been exposed to salt water start a
    corrosion process that may not result in a fire until months
    later, making them ticking time bombs.

    This IS the perfect storm for EVs.
    https://weartv.com/news/local/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian-florida-official-warns-cars-explosions-collier-lee-southwest-landfall-storm-damage

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/7/electric-vehicle-batteries-corroded-hurricane-ian-/
    'he said there are "a ton" of EVs currently disabled from the
    storm.'

    "disabled" is not "on fire".

    "Disabled" includes those that caught fire as well as those that are about to catch fire.

    That's "supposition" on your part.

    What I find curious is if this is even reasonably a big concern, given first principles.

    Case in point: the claim is that dunking an EV in seawater creates fires, right?

    Well, the presumption here is salt water contact with the electrical system, but if that’s the case because saltwater contains an electrolyte, it’s going
    to discharge the battery pack. So okay, there can be some exothermic reactions while it is dunked…but that’s also self-extinguishing for the bottom of the car where the batteries are located.

    One that energy is thus consumed, what’s left as an energy source to
    cause any additional fire as waters recede and the vehicle dries out?


    -hh

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, you obviously don't have an EE degree. First, when a lithium-ion battery catches fire there is NO WAY to extinguish it because it generates its own oxygen. Second, exposing the burning lithium battery to water can generate hydrogen
    with predictable consequences. Third, the battery pack in EVs is sealed and water tight. The problem is that all of the electronics, wiring and connectors become contaminated with electrically conductive gunk when flooded with salt water, and energizing
    that mess will result in short circuits with the high potential of fire.

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Oct 8 20:10:27 2022
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:17:52 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 21:25, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 11:21, TomS wrote:
    Teslas, and other EVs, caught in salt flood water are shorting
    out and catching fire. Worse, each EV fire still ties up
    firefighters for many hours and requires thousands of gallons of
    water to keep them cool. When water is unavailable due to
    infrastructure failure they must let them burn and protect
    surrounding structures.

    People who fled their homes in their long-range gas-powered cars
    and left their EVs behind in their garages run the risk of the EV
    catching fire and burning the house down.

    Furthermore, EVs that have been exposed to salt water start a
    corrosion process that may not result in a fire until months
    later, making them ticking time bombs.

    This IS the perfect storm for EVs.
    https://weartv.com/news/local/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian-florida-official-warns-cars-explosions-collier-lee-southwest-landfall-storm-damage

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/7/electric-vehicle-batteries-corroded-hurricane-ian-/
    'he said there are "a ton" of EVs currently disabled from the
    storm.'

    "disabled" is not "on fire".

    "Disabled" includes those that caught fire as well as those that are
    about to catch fire.
    That's "supposition" on your part.

    I suggest you look up the word.

    No, its "equivalency" - look it up.



    He's clearly making a PREDICTION, and I don't see anything in his
    job description that shows he'd have the necessary expertise to
    make that prediction.

    'There is currently no official count of how many EV batteries
    have caught fire as a result of Hurricane Ian.'

    I heard a count of 10 by a fire chief.
    Where?

    Fox News. I recommend that you listen (assuming it isn't censored in Canuck Land).


    Let's see a source, Sunshine.

    Gave it to you.




    And:

    'Study: Electric Vehicles Involved in Fewest Car Fires'

    <https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/>


    Gas-powered cars DON'T catch fire when submerged in water, so this
    study is not relevant. Also, EVs have not as a group reached the
    average age of gas-powered cars. Most ICE fires involve older
    vehicles. And when they do they are FAR easier to put out than EVs.
    What is your support for "Most ICE fires involve older vehicles."

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to TomS on Sun Oct 9 09:15:17 2022
    TomS wrote:

    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 11:21, TomS wrote:
    Teslas, and other EVs, caught in salt flood water are shorting
    out and catching fire. Worse, each EV fire still ties up
    firefighters for many hours and requires thousands of gallons of
    water to keep them cool. When water is unavailable due to
    infrastructure failure they must let them burn and protect
    surrounding structures.

    People who fled their homes in their long-range gas-powered cars
    and left their EVs behind in their garages run the risk of the EV catching fire and burning the house down.

    Furthermore, EVs that have been exposed to salt water start a
    corrosion process that may not result in a fire until months
    later, making them ticking time bombs.

    This IS the perfect storm for EVs. https://weartv.com/news/local/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-a ftermath-of-hurricane-ian-florida-official-warns-cars-explosions-c ollier-lee-southwest-landfall-storm-damage

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/7/electric-vehicle-batteries-corroded-hurricane-ian-/
    'he said there are "a ton" of EVs currently disabled from the
    storm.'

    "disabled" is not "on fire".

    "Disabled" includes those that caught fire as well as those that are
    about to catch fire.

    ...and all those that are not in danger of catching fire anymore than
    your underwear even with all that hot air.

    Draw a big circle with a little circle inside. There is your Venn
    diagram...

    ...and a visualisation of your apparent brain size.


    He's clearly making a PREDICTION, and I don't see anything in his
    job description that shows he'd have the necessary expertise to
    make that prediction.

    'There is currently no official count of how many EV batteries have
    caught fire as a result of Hurricane Ian.'

    I heard a count of 10 by a fire chief.



    And:

    'Study: Electric Vehicles Involved in Fewest Car Fires'


    <https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/>

    Gas-powered cars DON'T catch fire when submerged in water, so this
    study is not relevant. Also, EVs have not as a group reached the
    average age of gas-powered cars. Most ICE fires involve older
    vehicles. And when they do they are FAR easier to put out than EVs.

    Your post is a comparison of the danger of vehicles catching fire is it
    not?

    EV fires a a real issue but your unintelligent, narrow minded,
    unscientific rhetoric is just that.. some dumb fuckers dumb opinion.

    Your dementia is still owning you, you demented old pervert, Betty.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to TomS on Sun Oct 9 06:19:21 2022
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:08:01 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:33:26 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 3:17:52 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 21:25, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 11:21, TomS wrote:
    Teslas, and other EVs, caught in salt flood water are shorting
    out and catching fire. Worse, each EV fire still ties up
    firefighters for many hours and requires thousands of gallons of
    water to keep them cool. When water is unavailable due to
    infrastructure failure they must let them burn and protect
    surrounding structures.

    People who fled their homes in their long-range gas-powered cars
    and left their EVs behind in their garages run the risk of the EV >>> catching fire and burning the house down.

    Furthermore, EVs that have been exposed to salt water start a
    corrosion process that may not result in a fire until months
    later, making them ticking time bombs.

    This IS the perfect storm for EVs.
    https://weartv.com/news/local/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian-florida-official-warns-cars-explosions-collier-lee-southwest-landfall-storm-damage

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/7/electric-vehicle-batteries-corroded-hurricane-ian-/
    'he said there are "a ton" of EVs currently disabled from the
    storm.'

    "disabled" is not "on fire".

    "Disabled" includes those that caught fire as well as those that are about to catch fire.

    That's "supposition" on your part.

    What I find curious is if this is even reasonably a big concern, given first principles.

    Case in point: the claim is that dunking an EV in seawater creates fires, right?

    Well, the presumption here is salt water contact with the electrical system,
    but if that’s the case because saltwater contains an electrolyte, it’s going
    to discharge the battery pack. So okay, there can be some exothermic reactions while it is dunked…but that’s also self-extinguishing for the
    bottom of the car where the batteries are located.

    One that energy is thus consumed, what’s left as an energy source to cause any additional fire as waters recede and the vehicle dries out?

    Hey Lyin' Asshole, you obviously don't have an EE degree.

    Since when does EE curriculum include combustion? You’re out of your area of
    alleged expertise.

    First, when a lithium-ion battery catches fire there is NO WAY to extinguish it because it generates its own oxygen.

    First principles: it can only combust once.

    Second, exposing the burning lithium battery to water can generate
    hydrogen with predictable consequences.

    From the water. Put this in context here of a storm surge flood with hurricane winds and it can be rapidly diluted to below sustainable
    combustion levels:

    < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_triangle>

    Third, the battery pack in EVs is sealed and water tight.

    Not if it was exposed, per above. Trying to have it both ways?

    The problem is that all of the electronics, wiring and connectors become contaminated with electrically conductive gunk when flooded with salt water, and energizing that mess will result in short circuits with the high potential of fire.

    Of course, flooding it with thousands of gallons of electrolytes (salt water) can cause short circuits which thus serves to deplete the potential energy that was being stored in the battery pack. Lower PE = lower risks, right?


    -hh

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Sun Oct 9 22:25:57 2022
    On 2022-10-08 20:10, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:17:52 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 21:25, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 11:21, TomS wrote:
    Teslas, and other EVs, caught in salt flood water are shorting
    out and catching fire. Worse, each EV fire still ties up
    firefighters for many hours and requires thousands of gallons of
    water to keep them cool. When water is unavailable due to
    infrastructure failure they must let them burn and protect
    surrounding structures.

    People who fled their homes in their long-range gas-powered cars
    and left their EVs behind in their garages run the risk of the EV
    catching fire and burning the house down.

    Furthermore, EVs that have been exposed to salt water start a
    corrosion process that may not result in a fire until months
    later, making them ticking time bombs.

    This IS the perfect storm for EVs.
    https://weartv.com/news/local/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-aftermath-of-hurricane-ian-florida-official-warns-cars-explosions-collier-lee-southwest-landfall-storm-damage


    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/7/electric-vehicle-batteries-corroded-hurricane-ian-/
    'he said there are "a ton" of EVs currently disabled from the
    storm.'

    "disabled" is not "on fire".

    "Disabled" includes those that caught fire as well as those that are
    about to catch fire.
    That's "supposition" on your part.

    I suggest you look up the word.

    No, its "equivalency" - look it up.

    Nope.

    "Disabled" is not equivalent to "on fire".




    He's clearly making a PREDICTION, and I don't see anything in his
    job description that shows he'd have the necessary expertise to
    make that prediction.

    'There is currently no official count of how many EV batteries
    have caught fire as a result of Hurricane Ian.'

    I heard a count of 10 by a fire chief.
    Where?

    Fox News. I recommend that you listen (assuming it isn't censored in Canuck Land).


    Let's see a source, Sunshine.

    Gave it to you.

    You're a liar, Sunshine.

    "Fox News" is not a link to a specific piece of information upon which
    you are basing your claim.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Oct 10 09:25:13 2022
    TomS wrote:

    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:17:52 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 21:25, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 11:29:25 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-07 11:21, TomS wrote:
    Teslas, and other EVs, caught in salt flood water are shorting
    out and catching fire. Worse, each EV fire still ties up
    firefighters for many hours and requires thousands of gallons
    of >>> water to keep them cool. When water is unavailable due to
    infrastructure failure they must let them burn and protect
    surrounding structures.

    People who fled their homes in their long-range gas-powered
    cars >>> and left their EVs behind in their garages run the risk of
    the EV >>> catching fire and burning the house down.

    Furthermore, EVs that have been exposed to salt water start a
    corrosion process that may not result in a fire until months
    later, making them ticking time bombs.

    This IS the perfect storm for EVs.

    https://weartv.com/news/local/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-aft ermath-of-hurricane-ian-florida-official-warns-cars-explosions-colli er-lee-southwest-landfall-storm-damage >>> >>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/oct/7/electric-vehicle-bat teries-corroded-hurricane-ian-/ >> 'he said there are "a ton" of
    EVs currently disabled from the >> storm.' >>
    "disabled" is not "on fire".

    "Disabled" includes those that caught fire as well as those that
    are about to catch fire.
    That's "supposition" on your part.

    I suggest you look up the word.

    No, its "equivalency" - look it up.


    I think you should.

    Have these other EV's "about to catch fire" caught fire yet? If yes
    provide that report if not it is a falsehood.

    You're a pathological liar so you can guess what my money is on.

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  • From bruce bowser@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Oct 10 06:40:34 2022
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:26:36 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 12:12:36 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
    " ... combustion-powered cars are statistically more likely to catch on fire than electric cars."

    Car Buzz Magazine -.Sep 22, 2021
    -- https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-a-tesla-owner-save-driver-from-burning-bmw-x1-before-it-explodes

    (Tom Loses Again)
    Nope, Bowser Wowser, YOU lose again!

    yep.

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  • From bruce bowser@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Mon Oct 10 06:49:32 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:40:36 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:26:36 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 12:12:36 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
    " ... combustion-powered cars are statistically more likely to catch on fire than electric cars."

    Car Buzz Magazine -.Sep 22, 2021
    -- https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-a-tesla-owner-save-driver-from-burning-bmw-x1-before-it-explodes

    (Tom Loses Again)
    Nope, Bowser Wowser, YOU lose again!
    yep.

    TomS is brain dead. More gas powered cars on fire than electric.

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Mon Oct 10 21:32:35 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:49:34 AM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:40:36 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:26:36 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 12:12:36 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
    " ... combustion-powered cars are statistically more likely to catch on fire than electric cars."

    Car Buzz Magazine -.Sep 22, 2021
    -- https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-a-tesla-owner-save-driver-from-burning-bmw-x1-before-it-explodes

    (Tom Loses Again)
    Nope, Bowser Wowser, YOU lose again!
    yep.
    TomS is brain dead. More gas powered cars on fire than electric.

    HA HA HA HA! And WHAT do you think caused the fire aboard the Felicity Ace (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/world/europe/ship-sinks-luxury-cars.html)?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Oct 10 21:47:10 2022
    On 2022-10-10 21:32, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:49:34 AM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:40:36 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:26:36 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 12:12:36 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
    " ... combustion-powered cars are statistically more likely to catch on fire than electric cars."

    Car Buzz Magazine -.Sep 22, 2021
    -- https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-a-tesla-owner-save-driver-from-burning-bmw-x1-before-it-explodes

    (Tom Loses Again)
    Nope, Bowser Wowser, YOU lose again!
    yep.
    TomS is brain dead. More gas powered cars on fire than electric.

    HA HA HA HA! And WHAT do you think caused the fire aboard the Felicity Ace (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/world/europe/ship-sinks-luxury-cars.html)?

    Do you have any evidence at all it was caused by an EV?

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Oct 10 22:30:54 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:47:13 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-10 21:32, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:49:34 AM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:40:36 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:26:36 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 12:12:36 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote: >>>>> " ... combustion-powered cars are statistically more likely to catch on fire than electric cars."

    Car Buzz Magazine -.Sep 22, 2021
    -- https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-a-tesla-owner-save-driver-from-burning-bmw-x1-before-it-explodes

    (Tom Loses Again)
    Nope, Bowser Wowser, YOU lose again!
    yep.
    TomS is brain dead. More gas powered cars on fire than electric.

    HA HA HA HA! And WHAT do you think caused the fire aboard the Felicity Ace (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/world/europe/ship-sinks-luxury-cars.html)?
    Do you have any evidence at all it was caused by an EV?

    Do you have ANY evidence that it wasn't? Smoke from the ship was WHITE, indicating that the electrolytes of the EV batteries were burning (gas would produce BLACK smoke, ace).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Oct 10 23:25:39 2022
    On 2022-10-10 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:47:13 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-10 21:32, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:49:34 AM UTC-7, bruce bowser
    wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:40:36 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser
    wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:26:36 AM UTC-4, TomS
    wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 12:12:36 PM UTC-7, bruce
    bowser wrote:
    " ... combustion-powered cars are statistically more
    likely to catch on fire than electric cars."

    Car Buzz Magazine -.Sep 22, 2021 --
    https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-a-tesla-owner-save-driver-from-burning-bmw-x1-before-it-explodes



    (Tom Loses Again)
    Nope, Bowser Wowser, YOU lose again!
    yep.
    TomS is brain dead. More gas powered cars on fire than
    electric.

    HA HA HA HA! And WHAT do you think caused the fire aboard the
    Felicity Ace
    (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/world/europe/ship-sinks-luxury-cars.html)?


    Do you have any evidence at all it was caused by an EV?

    Sorry, Sunshine.

    You're making the claim: YOU provide some evidence.


    Do you have ANY evidence that it wasn't? Smoke from the ship was
    WHITE, indicating that the electrolytes of the EV batteries were
    burning (gas would produce BLACK smoke, ace).

    And you're claiming that there is absolutely nothing on an entire ship
    that could produce white smoke, Sunshine?

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Oct 11 22:19:08 2022
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:25:42 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-10 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:47:13 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-10 21:32, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:49:34 AM UTC-7, bruce bowser
    wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:40:36 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser
    wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:26:36 AM UTC-4, TomS
    wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 12:12:36 PM UTC-7, bruce
    bowser wrote:
    " ... combustion-powered cars are statistically more
    likely to catch on fire than electric cars."

    Car Buzz Magazine -.Sep 22, 2021 --
    https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-a-tesla-owner-save-driver-from-burning-bmw-x1-before-it-explodes



    (Tom Loses Again)
    Nope, Bowser Wowser, YOU lose again!
    yep.
    TomS is brain dead. More gas powered cars on fire than
    electric.

    HA HA HA HA! And WHAT do you think caused the fire aboard the
    Felicity Ace
    (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/world/europe/ship-sinks-luxury-cars.html)?


    Do you have any evidence at all it was caused by an EV?
    Sorry, Sunshine.

    You're making the claim: YOU provide some evidence.

    Do you have ANY evidence that it wasn't? Smoke from the ship was
    WHITE, indicating that the electrolytes of the EV batteries were
    burning (gas would produce BLACK smoke, ace).
    And you're claiming that there is absolutely nothing on an entire ship
    that could produce white smoke, Sunshine?

    LOL! Keep up the deflection, Fool!!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Tue Oct 11 22:29:11 2022
    On 2022-10-11 22:19, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:25:42 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-10 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:47:13 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-10 21:32, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:49:34 AM UTC-7, bruce bowser
    wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:40:36 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser
    wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:26:36 AM UTC-4, TomS
    wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 12:12:36 PM UTC-7, bruce
    bowser wrote:
    " ... combustion-powered cars are statistically more
    likely to catch on fire than electric cars."

    Car Buzz Magazine -.Sep 22, 2021 --
    https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-a-tesla-owner-save-driver-from-burning-bmw-x1-before-it-explodes



    (Tom Loses Again)
    Nope, Bowser Wowser, YOU lose again!
    yep.
    TomS is brain dead. More gas powered cars on fire than
    electric.

    HA HA HA HA! And WHAT do you think caused the fire aboard the
    Felicity Ace
    (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/world/europe/ship-sinks-luxury-cars.html)?


    Do you have any evidence at all it was caused by an EV?
    Sorry, Sunshine.

    You're making the claim: YOU provide some evidence.

    Do you have ANY evidence that it wasn't? Smoke from the ship was
    WHITE, indicating that the electrolytes of the EV batteries were
    burning (gas would produce BLACK smoke, ace).
    And you're claiming that there is absolutely nothing on an entire ship
    that could produce white smoke, Sunshine?

    LOL! Keep up the deflection, Fool!!

    I'm not the one making the claim, Sunshine.

    That was you, and as usual, you've provided nothing.

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Oct 12 08:12:08 2022
    On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 10:29:13 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-11 22:19, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:25:42 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-10 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:47:13 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-10 21:32, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:49:34 AM UTC-7, bruce bowser
    wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:40:36 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser
    wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:26:36 AM UTC-4, TomS
    wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 12:12:36 PM UTC-7, bruce
    bowser wrote:
    " ... combustion-powered cars are statistically more
    likely to catch on fire than electric cars."

    Car Buzz Magazine -.Sep 22, 2021 --
    https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-a-tesla-owner-save-driver-from-burning-bmw-x1-before-it-explodes



    (Tom Loses Again)
    Nope, Bowser Wowser, YOU lose again!
    yep.
    TomS is brain dead. More gas powered cars on fire than
    electric.

    HA HA HA HA! And WHAT do you think caused the fire aboard the
    Felicity Ace
    (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/world/europe/ship-sinks-luxury-cars.html)?


    Do you have any evidence at all it was caused by an EV?
    Sorry, Sunshine.

    You're making the claim: YOU provide some evidence.

    Do you have ANY evidence that it wasn't? Smoke from the ship was
    WHITE, indicating that the electrolytes of the EV batteries were
    burning (gas would produce BLACK smoke, ace).
    And you're claiming that there is absolutely nothing on an entire ship
    that could produce white smoke, Sunshine?

    LOL! Keep up the deflection, Fool!!
    I'm not the one making the claim, Sunshine.

    That was you, and as usual, you've provided nothing.

    Pure deflection, Fool.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Wed Oct 12 08:39:05 2022
    On 2022-10-12 08:12, TomS wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 10:29:13 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-11 22:19, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:25:42 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-10 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:47:13 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-10-10 21:32, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:49:34 AM UTC-7, bruce bowser
    wrote:
    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:40:36 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser
    wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:26:36 AM UTC-4, TomS
    wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 12:12:36 PM UTC-7, bruce
    bowser wrote:
    " ... combustion-powered cars are statistically more
    likely to catch on fire than electric cars."

    Car Buzz Magazine -.Sep 22, 2021 --
    https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-a-tesla-owner-save-driver-from-burning-bmw-x1-before-it-explodes



    (Tom Loses Again)
    Nope, Bowser Wowser, YOU lose again!
    yep.
    TomS is brain dead. More gas powered cars on fire than
    electric.

    HA HA HA HA! And WHAT do you think caused the fire aboard the
    Felicity Ace
    (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/01/world/europe/ship-sinks-luxury-cars.html)?


    Do you have any evidence at all it was caused by an EV?
    Sorry, Sunshine.

    You're making the claim: YOU provide some evidence.

    Do you have ANY evidence that it wasn't? Smoke from the ship was
    WHITE, indicating that the electrolytes of the EV batteries were
    burning (gas would produce BLACK smoke, ace).
    And you're claiming that there is absolutely nothing on an entire ship >>>> that could produce white smoke, Sunshine?

    LOL! Keep up the deflection, Fool!!
    I'm not the one making the claim, Sunshine.

    That was you, and as usual, you've provided nothing.

    Pure deflection, Fool.

    Nope.

    You made an implicit (look it up) claim that the fire was started by EV batteries on board...

    ...and as always, you've got nothing to back it up.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to TomS on Thu Oct 13 09:48:50 2022
    TomS wrote:

    On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:47:13 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    Do you have any evidence at all it was caused by an EV?

    Do you have ANY evidence that it wasn't?

    That's the desperate and irrational rhetoric of a demented old loser.

    I have no evidence that it wasn't caused by a demented old perverts
    farts; does that mean you did it?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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