• Martha's Vineyard Commission has CHANGED HIS MIND about illegals

    From TomS@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 16 20:54:50 2022
    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to TomS on Sat Sep 17 11:21:47 2022
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!


    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven

    Didn't read the article you posted did you, shit for brains; did you
    forget or was it beyond your current mental capacity?

    Making a fool of yourself with every post, you demented, old fart, Boo
    Hoo.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to TomS on Sat Sep 17 15:00:23 2022
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!


    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven

    Turns out the illegal stunt is backfiring on the RETHUGLICANS,inc
    Cotton and Desantis.

    https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1571134844826161152

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to TomS on Sat Sep 17 16:58:13 2022
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!


    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven

    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented
    old fart.
    It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line with Rethuglican
    attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were flown in to
    Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday under a program
    sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston, Massachusetts,
    said accounts from the migrants "make it clear that they were lied to
    again and again and fraudulently induced to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and housing on
    their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has the facilities to
    accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have allocated $12 million of the
    state's budget to transport them outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose not to
    call ahead to any single office authority on the island so that even
    the most basic human needs arrangements could be made, ensuring that no
    help awaited the migrants at all was the entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the perpetrators of
    this breathtakingly cruel political stunt should know that it may well
    result in every individual who was induced onto those planes by fraud
    becoming eligible for a U visa,"

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Sun Sep 18 22:29:24 2022
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!


    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven
    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented
    old fart.
    It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday under a program
    sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston, Massachusetts,
    said accounts from the migrants "make it clear that they were lied to
    again and again and fraudulently induced to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and housing on
    their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose not to
    call ahead to any single office authority on the island so that even
    the most basic human needs arrangements could be made, ensuring that no
    help awaited the migrants at all was the entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the perpetrators of
    this breathtakingly cruel political stunt should know that it may well
    result in every individual who was induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the last year, Dork.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Sep 19 03:54:50 2022
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven
    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented
    old fart.
    It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday under a program
    sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston, Massachusetts,
    said accounts from the migrants "make it clear that they were lied to
    again and again and fraudulently induced to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and housing on
    their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose not to
    call ahead to any single office authority on the island so that even
    the most basic human needs arrangements could be made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the perpetrators of
    this breathtakingly cruel political stunt should know that it may well result in every individual who was induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been
    "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the last year, Dork.

    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as "transporting,
    soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing, enticing, maintaining, purchasing,
    patronizing, procuring, or obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation
    of that person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because they were lied to
    (where they're going, promise of a job) has been exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges
    If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or
    go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another,
    for the purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly,
    any person or class of persons of the equal protection of the
    laws, or of equal privileges and immunities under the laws;
    or for the purpose of preventing or hindering the constituted
    authorities of any State or Territory from giving or securing
    to all persons within such State or Territory the equal
    protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would be not able to
    attend the courts assigned to review their asylum requests, resulting in an immediate
    rejection for non-appearance.


    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii)
    knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien
    has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in
    violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to
    transport or move such alien within the United States by
    means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such
    violation of law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.

    -hh

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Sep 19 22:26:00 2022
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven
    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented old fart.
    It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday under a program
    sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston, Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose not to
    call ahead to any single office authority on the island so that even
    the most basic human needs arrangements could be made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the perpetrators of
    this breathtakingly cruel political stunt should know that it may well result in every individual who was induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been
    "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their destination.
    Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as "transporting,
    soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing, enticing, maintaining, purchasing,
    patronizing, procuring, or obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation
    of that person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because they were lied to
    (where they're going, promise of a job) has been exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges
    If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or
    go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another,
    for the purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly,
    any person or class of persons of the equal protection of the
    laws, or of equal privileges and immunities under the laws;
    or for the purpose of preventing or hindering the constituted
    authorities of any State or Territory from giving or securing
    to all persons within such State or Territory the equal
    protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would be not able to
    attend the courts assigned to review their asylum requests, resulting in an immediate
    rejection for non-appearance.


    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii)
    knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien
    has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in
    violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to
    transport or move such alien within the United States by
    means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such
    violation of law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.

    -hh

    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Sep 19 23:33:26 2022
    On 2022-09-19 22:26, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird
    wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven


    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented
    old fart. It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line
    with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in
    need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were
    flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday
    under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can
    be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear
    that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced
    to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and
    housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has
    the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have
    allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them
    outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose
    not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island
    so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be
    made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the
    entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt
    should know that it may well result in every individual who was
    induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U
    visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin'
    Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the
    last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their
    destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as
    "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing,
    enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or
    obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that
    person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because
    they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been
    exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or
    more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise
    on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of
    depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of
    persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges
    and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or
    hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory
    from giving or securing to all persons within such State or
    Territory the equal protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would
    be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum
    requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance.


    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the
    fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United
    States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to
    transport or move such alien within the United States by means of
    transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of
    law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense
    too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.

    -hh

    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI
    to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

    How do you figure that, Sunshine?

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Sep 20 03:48:50 2022
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-19 22:26, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird
    wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven


    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented
    old fart. It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line
    with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in
    need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were
    flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday
    under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can
    be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear
    that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced
    to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and
    housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has
    the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have
    allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them
    outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose
    not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island
    so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be
    made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the
    entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt
    should know that it may well result in every individual who was
    induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U
    visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin'
    Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the
    last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their
    destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as
    "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing,
    enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or
    obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that
    person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because
    they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been
    exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or
    more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise
    on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of
    depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of
    persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges
    and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or
    hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory
    from giving or securing to all persons within such State or
    Territory the equal protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would
    be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum
    requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance.


    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the
    fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United
    States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to
    transport or move such alien within the United States by means of
    transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of
    law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense
    too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.


    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI
    to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

    How do you figure that, Sunshine?

    Because false equivalencies is all Tommy has. Problem is that if he goes
    down that rabbithole, there's four years of Trump doing the same as Biden.
    For a rational person, that would give pause on DeSantis' not being the same.


    -hh

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Sep 20 22:30:04 2022
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:48:52 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-19 22:26, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird
    wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven


    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented
    old fart. It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line
    with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in
    need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were
    flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday
    under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can
    be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear
    that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced
    to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and
    housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has
    the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have
    allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them
    outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose
    not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island
    so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be
    made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the
    entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt
    should know that it may well result in every individual who was
    induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U
    visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin'
    Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the
    last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their
    destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as
    "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing,
    enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or
    obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that
    person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because
    they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been
    exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or
    more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise
    on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of
    depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of
    persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges
    and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or
    hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory
    from giving or securing to all persons within such State or
    Territory the equal protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would
    be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum
    requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance.


    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the
    fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United
    States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to
    transport or move such alien within the United States by means of
    transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of
    law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense
    too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.


    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI
    to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

    How do you figure that, Sunshine?
    Because false equivalencies is all Tommy has. Problem is that if he goes
    down that rabbithole, there's four years of Trump doing the same as Biden. For a rational person, that would give pause on DeSantis' not being the same.


    -hh

    Who's talking about equivalencies? That commissioner called illegal aliens "TRASH!"

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Wed Sep 21 00:19:55 2022
    On 2022-09-20 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:48:52 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-19 22:26, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird
    wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven


    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented >>>>>>> old fart. It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line
    with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in
    need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were
    flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday
    under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can
    be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear
    that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced
    to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and
    housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has
    the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have
    allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them
    outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose
    not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island
    so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be
    made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the
    entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt
    should know that it may well result in every individual who was
    induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U
    visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin'
    Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the
    last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their
    destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as
    "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing,
    enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or
    obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that
    person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because
    they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been
    exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or
    more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise
    on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of
    depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of
    persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges
    and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or
    hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory
    from giving or securing to all persons within such State or
    Territory the equal protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would
    be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum
    requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance.


    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the
    fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United
    States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to
    transport or move such alien within the United States by means of
    transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of
    law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense
    too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.


    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI
    to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

    How do you figure that, Sunshine?
    Because false equivalencies is all Tommy has. Problem is that if he goes
    down that rabbithole, there's four years of Trump doing the same as Biden. >> For a rational person, that would give pause on DeSantis' not being the same.


    -hh

    Who's talking about equivalencies? That commissioner called illegal aliens "TRASH!"

    You're lying again, Sunshine.

    The commissioner hasn't changed his mind:

    'Keith Chatinover now opposes HOW Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sent them to
    the Vineyard

    ...

    Chatinover, meanwhile, remained consistent with his earlier position on welcoming migrants, but he disagreed with how DeSantis went about
    sending them.

    "Again, Vineyarders support refugee resettlement—we just can’t
    adequately help them when given no advance notice," he tweeted
    Wednesday, adding that using the chaos of the situation "to prove a
    point" was "a blatant disregard" for human rights.'

    This is Fox News confirming your lie, Sunshine... ...not me.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Sep 26 09:17:49 2022
    TomS wrote:

    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird
    wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-h e-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven This is what you
    are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented old fart.
    It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line with
    Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were
    flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday
    under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can
    be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear
    that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced
    to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and
    housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has
    the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have
    allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them
    outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose
    not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island
    so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be
    made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the
    entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt
    should know that it may well result in every individual who was
    induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U
    visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin'
    Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the
    last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing,
    enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or
    obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that
    person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because
    they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges
    If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or
    go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another,
    for the purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly,
    any person or class of persons of the equal protection of the
    laws, or of equal privileges and immunities under the laws;
    or for the purpose of preventing or hindering the constituted
    authorities of any State or Territory from giving or securing
    to all persons within such State or Territory the equal
    protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would
    be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum
    requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance.


    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii)
    knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien
    has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in
    violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to
    transport or move such alien within the United States by
    means of transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such
    violation of law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense
    too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.

    -hh

    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI
    to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!


    Lol, losing words from the master loser.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Sep 26 09:16:42 2022
    TomS wrote:

    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!



    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven
    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking
    demented old fart.
    It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line with
    Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were flown in
    to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday under a program
    sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can be considered
    victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear that
    they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced to board
    the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and housing
    on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has the facilities
    to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have allocated $12 million
    of the state's budget to transport them outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose not to
    call ahead to any single office authority on the island so that
    even the most basic human needs arrangements could be made,
    ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the entire
    point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the perpetrators of
    this breathtakingly cruel political stunt should know that it may
    well result in every individual who was induced onto those planes
    by fraud becoming eligible for a U visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin'
    Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the
    last year, Dork.


    Weak sauce.

    You have no response do you?

    Even a twisted perverted old fart like you knows what the Rethuglicans
    did was immoral...

    ...no shock that you embrace the immoral; your compass lost it's needle
    years ago.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Sep 26 21:31:05 2022
    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:19:57 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-20 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:48:52 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-19 22:26, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird
    wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven


    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented >>>>>>> old fart. It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line >>>>>>> with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in
    need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were
    flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday
    under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can >>>>>>> be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear >>>>>>> that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced >>>>>>> to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and
    housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has
    the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have
    allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them >>>>>>> outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose
    not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island >>>>>>> so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be >>>>>>> made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the >>>>>>> entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt
    should know that it may well result in every individual who was >>>>>>> induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U
    visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin' >>>>>> Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the >>>>>> last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their >>>>> destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as >>>>> "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing,
    enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or
    obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that
    person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because >>>>> they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been >>>>> exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or >>>>> more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise >>>>> on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of
    depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of
    persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges >>>>> and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or >>>>> hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory
    from giving or securing to all persons within such State or
    Territory the equal protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would >>>>> be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum
    requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance. >>>>>

    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the
    fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United >>>>> States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to
    transport or move such alien within the United States by means of >>>>> transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of
    law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense
    too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.


    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI >>>> to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

    How do you figure that, Sunshine?
    Because false equivalencies is all Tommy has. Problem is that if he goes >> down that rabbithole, there's four years of Trump doing the same as Biden.
    For a rational person, that would give pause on DeSantis' not being the same.


    -hh

    Who's talking about equivalencies? That commissioner called illegal aliens "TRASH!"
    You're lying again, Sunshine.

    The commissioner hasn't changed his mind:

    'Keith Chatinover now opposes HOW Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sent them to
    the Vineyard

    ...

    Chatinover, meanwhile, remained consistent with his earlier position on welcoming migrants, but he disagreed with how DeSantis went about
    sending them.

    "Again, Vineyarders support refugee resettlement—we just can’t adequately help them when given no advance notice," he tweeted
    Wednesday, adding that using the chaos of the situation "to prove a
    point" was "a blatant disregard" for human rights.'

    This is Fox News confirming your lie, Sunshine... ...not me.

    Sorry, Fool. That guy was ALL FOR illegals UNTIL they actually showed up - then they were an EMERGENCY!! Typical hypocritical libtard.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Sep 26 22:28:03 2022
    On 2022-09-26 21:31, TomS wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:19:57 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-20 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:48:52 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-19 22:26, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird
    wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven


    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented >>>>>>>>> old fart. It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line >>>>>>>>> with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in
    need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were
    flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday
    under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can >>>>>>>>> be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear >>>>>>>>> that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced >>>>>>>>> to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and
    housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has >>>>>>>>> the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have >>>>>>>>> allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them >>>>>>>>> outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose >>>>>>>>> not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island >>>>>>>>> so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be >>>>>>>>> made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the >>>>>>>>> entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt
    should know that it may well result in every individual who was >>>>>>>>> induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U >>>>>>>>> visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin' >>>>>>>> Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the >>>>>>>> last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their >>>>>>> destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as >>>>>>> "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing,
    enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or
    obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that >>>>>>> person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because >>>>>>> they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been >>>>>>> exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or >>>>>>> more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise >>>>>>> on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of >>>>>>> depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of >>>>>>> persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges >>>>>>> and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or >>>>>>> hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory
    from giving or securing to all persons within such State or
    Territory the equal protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would >>>>>>> be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum >>>>>>> requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance. >>>>>>>

    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the >>>>>>> fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United >>>>>>> States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to
    transport or move such alien within the United States by means of >>>>>>> transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of >>>>>>> law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense >>>>>>> too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.


    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI >>>>>> to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

    How do you figure that, Sunshine?
    Because false equivalencies is all Tommy has. Problem is that if he goes >>>> down that rabbithole, there's four years of Trump doing the same as Biden. >>>> For a rational person, that would give pause on DeSantis' not being the same.


    -hh

    Who's talking about equivalencies? That commissioner called illegal aliens "TRASH!"
    You're lying again, Sunshine.

    The commissioner hasn't changed his mind:

    'Keith Chatinover now opposes HOW Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sent them to
    the Vineyard

    ...

    Chatinover, meanwhile, remained consistent with his earlier position on
    welcoming migrants, but he disagreed with how DeSantis went about
    sending them.

    "Again, Vineyarders support refugee resettlement—we just can’t
    adequately help them when given no advance notice," he tweeted
    Wednesday, adding that using the chaos of the situation "to prove a
    point" was "a blatant disregard" for human rights.'

    This is Fox News confirming your lie, Sunshine... ...not me.

    Sorry, Fool. That guy was ALL FOR illegals UNTIL they actually showed up - then they were an EMERGENCY!! Typical hypocritical libtard.

    They WERE an emergency...

    .because DeSantis sent them there with no warning and no chance for
    anyone at the other end to prepare for their arrival.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Sep 28 12:00:36 2022
    On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 10:28:06 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-26 21:31, TomS wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:19:57 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-20 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:48:52 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-19 22:26, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote: >>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird >>>>>>>> wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven


    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented >>>>>>>>> old fart. It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line >>>>>>>>> with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in >>>>>>>>> need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were >>>>>>>>> flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday >>>>>>>>> under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can >>>>>>>>> be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear >>>>>>>>> that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced >>>>>>>>> to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and >>>>>>>>> housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has >>>>>>>>> the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have >>>>>>>>> allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them >>>>>>>>> outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose >>>>>>>>> not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island >>>>>>>>> so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be >>>>>>>>> made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the >>>>>>>>> entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt >>>>>>>>> should know that it may well result in every individual who was >>>>>>>>> induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U >>>>>>>>> visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin' >>>>>>>> Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the >>>>>>>> last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their >>>>>>> destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as >>>>>>> "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing,
    enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or >>>>>>> obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that >>>>>>> person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because >>>>>>> they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been >>>>>>> exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or >>>>>>> more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise >>>>>>> on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of >>>>>>> depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of >>>>>>> persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges >>>>>>> and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or >>>>>>> hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory >>>>>>> from giving or securing to all persons within such State or
    Territory the equal protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would >>>>>>> be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum >>>>>>> requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance. >>>>>>>

    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the >>>>>>> fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United >>>>>>> States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to >>>>>>> transport or move such alien within the United States by means of >>>>>>> transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of >>>>>>> law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense >>>>>>> too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.


    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI >>>>>> to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

    How do you figure that, Sunshine?
    Because false equivalencies is all Tommy has. Problem is that if he goes
    down that rabbithole, there's four years of Trump doing the same as Biden.
    For a rational person, that would give pause on DeSantis' not being the same.


    -hh

    Who's talking about equivalencies? That commissioner called illegal aliens "TRASH!"
    You're lying again, Sunshine.

    The commissioner hasn't changed his mind:

    'Keith Chatinover now opposes HOW Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sent them to >> the Vineyard

    ...

    Chatinover, meanwhile, remained consistent with his earlier position on >> welcoming migrants, but he disagreed with how DeSantis went about
    sending them.

    "Again, Vineyarders support refugee resettlement—we just can’t
    adequately help them when given no advance notice," he tweeted
    Wednesday, adding that using the chaos of the situation "to prove a
    point" was "a blatant disregard" for human rights.'

    This is Fox News confirming your lie, Sunshine... ...not me.

    Sorry, Fool. That guy was ALL FOR illegals UNTIL they actually showed up - then they were an EMERGENCY!! Typical hypocritical libtard.
    They WERE an emergency...

    .because DeSantis sent them there with no warning and no chance for
    anyone at the other end to prepare for their arrival.

    Oh, so it IS ok to send the illegals if they are notified first! BRING THEM ON!!

    BTW, I think you meant to say "there WAS an emergency."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Wed Sep 28 12:20:41 2022
    On 2022-09-28 12:00, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 10:28:06 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-26 21:31, TomS wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:19:57 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-20 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:48:52 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-19 22:26, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven


    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented >>>>>>>>>>> old fart. It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line >>>>>>>>>>> with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in >>>>>>>>>>> need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were >>>>>>>>>>> flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday >>>>>>>>>>> under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can >>>>>>>>>>> be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear >>>>>>>>>>> that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced >>>>>>>>>>> to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and >>>>>>>>>>> housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has >>>>>>>>>>> the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have >>>>>>>>>>> allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them >>>>>>>>>>> outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose >>>>>>>>>>> not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island >>>>>>>>>>> so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be >>>>>>>>>>> made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the >>>>>>>>>>> entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt >>>>>>>>>>> should know that it may well result in every individual who was >>>>>>>>>>> induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U >>>>>>>>>>> visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin' >>>>>>>>>> Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the >>>>>>>>>> last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their >>>>>>>>> destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as >>>>>>>>> "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing, >>>>>>>>> enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or >>>>>>>>> obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that >>>>>>>>> person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because >>>>>>>>> they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been >>>>>>>>> exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or >>>>>>>>> more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise >>>>>>>>> on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of >>>>>>>>> depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of >>>>>>>>> persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges >>>>>>>>> and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or >>>>>>>>> hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory >>>>>>>>> from giving or securing to all persons within such State or
    Territory the equal protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would >>>>>>>>> be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum >>>>>>>>> requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance. >>>>>>>>>

    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the >>>>>>>>> fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United >>>>>>>>> States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to >>>>>>>>> transport or move such alien within the United States by means of >>>>>>>>> transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of >>>>>>>>> law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense >>>>>>>>> too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.


    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI >>>>>>>> to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

    How do you figure that, Sunshine?
    Because false equivalencies is all Tommy has. Problem is that if he goes >>>>>> down that rabbithole, there's four years of Trump doing the same as Biden.
    For a rational person, that would give pause on DeSantis' not being the same.


    -hh

    Who's talking about equivalencies? That commissioner called illegal aliens "TRASH!"
    You're lying again, Sunshine.

    The commissioner hasn't changed his mind:

    'Keith Chatinover now opposes HOW Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sent them to >>>> the Vineyard

    ...

    Chatinover, meanwhile, remained consistent with his earlier position on >>>> welcoming migrants, but he disagreed with how DeSantis went about
    sending them.

    "Again, Vineyarders support refugee resettlement—we just can’t
    adequately help them when given no advance notice," he tweeted
    Wednesday, adding that using the chaos of the situation "to prove a
    point" was "a blatant disregard" for human rights.'

    This is Fox News confirming your lie, Sunshine... ...not me.

    Sorry, Fool. That guy was ALL FOR illegals UNTIL they actually showed up - then they were an EMERGENCY!! Typical hypocritical libtard.
    They WERE an emergency...

    .because DeSantis sent them there with no warning and no chance for
    anyone at the other end to prepare for their arrival.

    Oh, so it IS ok to send the illegals if they are notified first! BRING THEM ON!!

    1. They weren't "illegals". They were legally in the US seeking asylum.

    2. Sure. Why wouldn't you want to share the burden around.

    The only problems with this were:

    1. "kidnapping by inveiglement"

    2. Providing no warning to the jurisdiction that was to receive them so appropriate arrangements could be made for them.

    3. Using Florida funds to transport people who were in Texas.


    BTW, I think you meant to say "there WAS an emergency."

    Did you not read what YOU wrote:

    'then[you missed a comma here] THEY WERE an EMERGENCY'

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  • From Irving S@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Sep 28 12:43:58 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 1:28:06 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-26 21:31, TomS wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:19:57 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-20 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:48:52 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-19 22:26, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote: >>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird >>>>>>>> wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven


    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented >>>>>>>>> old fart. It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line >>>>>>>>> with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in >>>>>>>>> need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were >>>>>>>>> flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday >>>>>>>>> under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can >>>>>>>>> be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear >>>>>>>>> that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced >>>>>>>>> to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and >>>>>>>>> housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has >>>>>>>>> the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have >>>>>>>>> allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them >>>>>>>>> outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose >>>>>>>>> not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island >>>>>>>>> so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be >>>>>>>>> made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the >>>>>>>>> entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt >>>>>>>>> should know that it may well result in every individual who was >>>>>>>>> induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U >>>>>>>>> visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin' >>>>>>>> Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the >>>>>>>> last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their >>>>>>> destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as >>>>>>> "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing,
    enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or >>>>>>> obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that >>>>>>> person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because >>>>>>> they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been >>>>>>> exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or >>>>>>> more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise >>>>>>> on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of >>>>>>> depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of >>>>>>> persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges >>>>>>> and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or >>>>>>> hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory >>>>>>> from giving or securing to all persons within such State or
    Territory the equal protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would >>>>>>> be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum >>>>>>> requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance. >>>>>>>

    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the >>>>>>> fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United >>>>>>> States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to >>>>>>> transport or move such alien within the United States by means of >>>>>>> transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of >>>>>>> law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense >>>>>>> too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.


    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI >>>>>> to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

    How do you figure that, Sunshine?
    Because false equivalencies is all Tommy has. Problem is that if he goes
    down that rabbithole, there's four years of Trump doing the same as Biden.
    For a rational person, that would give pause on DeSantis' not being the same.


    -hh

    Who's talking about equivalencies? That commissioner called illegal aliens "TRASH!"
    You're lying again, Sunshine.

    The commissioner hasn't changed his mind:

    'Keith Chatinover now opposes HOW Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sent them to >> the Vineyard

    ...

    Chatinover, meanwhile, remained consistent with his earlier position on >> welcoming migrants, but he disagreed with how DeSantis went about
    sending them.

    "Again, Vineyarders support refugee resettlement—we just can’t
    adequately help them when given no advance notice," he tweeted
    Wednesday, adding that using the chaos of the situation "to prove a
    point" was "a blatant disregard" for human rights.'

    This is Fox News confirming your lie, Sunshine... ...not me.

    Sorry, Fool. That guy was ALL FOR illegals UNTIL they actually showed up - then they were an EMERGENCY!! Typical hypocritical libtard.
    They WERE an emergency...

    .because DeSantis sent them there with no warning and no chance for
    anyone at the other end to prepare for their arrival.

    LOL!

    Grandpa, what universe do you live in.

    I have a brother in law that lives in Tennessee. Illegals have been flown into the state with no warning. As you say, no chance to prepare.

    Here is one example dude:

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/2925281/biden-administration-secretly-flying-migrant-children-to-tennessee/#:~:text=SHOCKING%20video%20shows%20up%20to%2050%20migrant%20children,in%20the%20past%20week%20carrying%20migrant%20children%20.

    Once again, you fail in making your point but good try. You assume we are all idiots, bad assumption old man!

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  • From Irving S@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Sep 28 12:46:02 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 1:28:06 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-26 21:31, TomS wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:19:57 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-20 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:48:52 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-19 22:26, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote: >>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird >>>>>>>> wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven


    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented >>>>>>>>> old fart. It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line >>>>>>>>> with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in >>>>>>>>> need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were >>>>>>>>> flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday >>>>>>>>> under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can >>>>>>>>> be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear >>>>>>>>> that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced >>>>>>>>> to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and >>>>>>>>> housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has >>>>>>>>> the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have >>>>>>>>> allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them >>>>>>>>> outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose >>>>>>>>> not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island >>>>>>>>> so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be >>>>>>>>> made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the >>>>>>>>> entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt >>>>>>>>> should know that it may well result in every individual who was >>>>>>>>> induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U >>>>>>>>> visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin' >>>>>>>> Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the >>>>>>>> last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their >>>>>>> destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as >>>>>>> "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing,
    enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or >>>>>>> obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that >>>>>>> person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because >>>>>>> they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been >>>>>>> exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or >>>>>>> more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise >>>>>>> on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of >>>>>>> depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of >>>>>>> persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges >>>>>>> and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or >>>>>>> hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory >>>>>>> from giving or securing to all persons within such State or
    Territory the equal protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would >>>>>>> be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum >>>>>>> requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance. >>>>>>>

    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the >>>>>>> fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United >>>>>>> States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to >>>>>>> transport or move such alien within the United States by means of >>>>>>> transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of >>>>>>> law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense >>>>>>> too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.


    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI >>>>>> to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

    How do you figure that, Sunshine?
    Because false equivalencies is all Tommy has. Problem is that if he goes
    down that rabbithole, there's four years of Trump doing the same as Biden.
    For a rational person, that would give pause on DeSantis' not being the same.


    -hh

    Who's talking about equivalencies? That commissioner called illegal aliens "TRASH!"
    You're lying again, Sunshine.

    The commissioner hasn't changed his mind:

    'Keith Chatinover now opposes HOW Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sent them to >> the Vineyard

    ...

    Chatinover, meanwhile, remained consistent with his earlier position on >> welcoming migrants, but he disagreed with how DeSantis went about
    sending them.

    "Again, Vineyarders support refugee resettlement—we just can’t
    adequately help them when given no advance notice," he tweeted
    Wednesday, adding that using the chaos of the situation "to prove a
    point" was "a blatant disregard" for human rights.'

    This is Fox News confirming your lie, Sunshine... ...not me.

    Sorry, Fool. That guy was ALL FOR illegals UNTIL they actually showed up - then they were an EMERGENCY!! Typical hypocritical libtard.
    They WERE an emergency...

    .because DeSantis sent them there with no warning and no chance for
    anyone at the other end to prepare for their arrival.

    Another example Grandpa. You really need to get your ducks in a row before that motor mouth starts running.

    https://nypost.com/2021/10/18/biden-secretly-flying-underage-migrants-into-ny-in-dead-of-night/

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Irving S on Wed Sep 28 14:25:52 2022
    On 2022-09-28 12:46, Irving S wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 1:28:06 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-26 21:31, TomS wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:19:57 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-20 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:48:52 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-19 22:26, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven


    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented >>>>>>>>>>> old fart. It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line >>>>>>>>>>> with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in >>>>>>>>>>> need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were >>>>>>>>>>> flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday >>>>>>>>>>> under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can >>>>>>>>>>> be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear >>>>>>>>>>> that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced >>>>>>>>>>> to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and >>>>>>>>>>> housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has >>>>>>>>>>> the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have >>>>>>>>>>> allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them >>>>>>>>>>> outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose >>>>>>>>>>> not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island >>>>>>>>>>> so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be >>>>>>>>>>> made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the >>>>>>>>>>> entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt >>>>>>>>>>> should know that it may well result in every individual who was >>>>>>>>>>> induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U >>>>>>>>>>> visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin' >>>>>>>>>> Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the >>>>>>>>>> last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their >>>>>>>>> destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as >>>>>>>>> "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing, >>>>>>>>> enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or >>>>>>>>> obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that >>>>>>>>> person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because >>>>>>>>> they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been >>>>>>>>> exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or >>>>>>>>> more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise >>>>>>>>> on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of >>>>>>>>> depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of >>>>>>>>> persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges >>>>>>>>> and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or >>>>>>>>> hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory >>>>>>>>> from giving or securing to all persons within such State or
    Territory the equal protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would >>>>>>>>> be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum >>>>>>>>> requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance. >>>>>>>>>

    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the >>>>>>>>> fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United >>>>>>>>> States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to >>>>>>>>> transport or move such alien within the United States by means of >>>>>>>>> transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of >>>>>>>>> law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense >>>>>>>>> too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.


    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI >>>>>>>> to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

    How do you figure that, Sunshine?
    Because false equivalencies is all Tommy has. Problem is that if he goes >>>>>> down that rabbithole, there's four years of Trump doing the same as Biden.
    For a rational person, that would give pause on DeSantis' not being the same.


    -hh

    Who's talking about equivalencies? That commissioner called illegal aliens "TRASH!"
    You're lying again, Sunshine.

    The commissioner hasn't changed his mind:

    'Keith Chatinover now opposes HOW Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sent them to >>>> the Vineyard

    ...

    Chatinover, meanwhile, remained consistent with his earlier position on >>>> welcoming migrants, but he disagreed with how DeSantis went about
    sending them.

    "Again, Vineyarders support refugee resettlement—we just can’t
    adequately help them when given no advance notice," he tweeted
    Wednesday, adding that using the chaos of the situation "to prove a
    point" was "a blatant disregard" for human rights.'

    This is Fox News confirming your lie, Sunshine... ...not me.

    Sorry, Fool. That guy was ALL FOR illegals UNTIL they actually showed up - then they were an EMERGENCY!! Typical hypocritical libtard.
    They WERE an emergency...

    .because DeSantis sent them there with no warning and no chance for
    anyone at the other end to prepare for their arrival.

    Another example Grandpa. You really need to get your ducks in a row before that motor mouth starts running.

    https://nypost.com/2021/10/18/biden-secretly-flying-underage-migrants-into-ny-in-dead-of-night/

    And even more losing from the Dickhead!

    From your own source:

    '“This is similar to when HHS, under the Trump administration, housed
    almost 1,000 migrant children in Westchester — without the County’s
    prior knowledge or approval,” spokeswoman Catherine Cioffi said in a
    written statement.

    “Then, as opposed to now, there was no outcry by anyone.”'

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Irving S on Wed Sep 28 14:23:28 2022
    On 2022-09-28 12:43, Irving S wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 1:28:06 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-26 21:31, TomS wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:19:57 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-20 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:48:52 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-19 22:26, TomS wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 3:54:51 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:29:25 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-7, Bigbird >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    TomS wrote:

    ...once they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP!

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/county-commissioner-once-said-he-would-love-marthas-vineyard-immigrant-haven


    This is what you are proud of Betty; you are one sick fucking demented >>>>>>>>>>> old fart. It was clearly a cruel cunt's stunt; totally in line >>>>>>>>>>> with Rethuglican attitudes to migrants or indeed anyone in >>>>>>>>>>> need.


    An immigration lawyer says the almost 50 migrants who were >>>>>>>>>>> flown in to Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, on Wednesday >>>>>>>>>>> under a program sponsored by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis can >>>>>>>>>>> be considered victims of kidnapping.

    Rachel Self, who has an immigration law firm in Boston,
    Massachusetts, said accounts from the migrants "make it clear >>>>>>>>>>> that they were lied to again and again and fraudulently induced >>>>>>>>>>> to board the planes."

    The attorney said that the migrants were promised jobs and >>>>>>>>>>> housing on their arrival, while Martha's Vineyard barely has >>>>>>>>>>> the facilities to accommodate them. DeSantis is said to have >>>>>>>>>>> allocated $12 million of the state's budget to transport them >>>>>>>>>>> outside of Florida.

    Self said Florida authorities also "very intentionally chose >>>>>>>>>>> not to call ahead to any single office authority on the island >>>>>>>>>>> so that even the most basic human needs arrangements could be >>>>>>>>>>> made, ensuring that no help awaited the migrants at all was the >>>>>>>>>>> entire point."

    "We believe they are victims of kidnapping, and the
    perpetrators of this breathtakingly cruel political stunt >>>>>>>>>>> should know that it may well result in every individual who was >>>>>>>>>>> induced onto those planes by fraud becoming eligible for a U >>>>>>>>>>> visa,"

    Right. If they are "victims of a kidnapping" senile pervert Lyin' >>>>>>>>>> Biden has been "kidnapping" TENS OF THOUSANDS of illegals for the >>>>>>>>>> last year, Dork.
    Not so, because the Fed movements weren't lying to them for their >>>>>>>>> destination. Read carefully the relevant laws:

    Florida Statute, Section 787.06(2)(d) defines human trafficking as >>>>>>>>> "transporting, soliciting, recruiting, harboring, providing, >>>>>>>>> enticing, maintaining, purchasing, patronizing, procuring, or >>>>>>>>> obtaining another person for the purpose of exploitation of that >>>>>>>>> person."

    The relevance here is that they were a political pawn who, because >>>>>>>>> they were lied to (where they're going, promise of a job) has been >>>>>>>>> exploited.

    On the Federal level:

    42 USC 1985 (3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges If two or >>>>>>>>> more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise >>>>>>>>> on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of >>>>>>>>> depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of >>>>>>>>> persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges >>>>>>>>> and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or >>>>>>>>> hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory >>>>>>>>> from giving or securing to all persons within such State or
    Territory the equal protection of the laws...

    The victims were taken to a place where they knew that they would >>>>>>>>> be not able to attend the courts assigned to review their asylum >>>>>>>>> requests, resulting in an immediate rejection for non-appearance. >>>>>>>>>

    8 USC 1324 (a)(1)(A)(ii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the >>>>>>>>> fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United >>>>>>>>> States in violation of law, transports, or moves or attempts to >>>>>>>>> transport or move such alien within the United States by means of >>>>>>>>> transportation or otherwise, in furtherance of such violation of >>>>>>>>> law...

    Thus, the violation of FL 787.06(2)(d) becomes a Federal offense >>>>>>>>> too


    Rule of Law, motherfucker. Try it sometime.


    By that law senile pervert Lyin' Biden has been guilty of
    "transporting" illegal aliens for the LAST YEAR! Send the phony FBI >>>>>>>> to arrest the son of a bitch NOW!!!

    How do you figure that, Sunshine?
    Because false equivalencies is all Tommy has. Problem is that if he goes >>>>>> down that rabbithole, there's four years of Trump doing the same as Biden.
    For a rational person, that would give pause on DeSantis' not being the same.


    -hh

    Who's talking about equivalencies? That commissioner called illegal aliens "TRASH!"
    You're lying again, Sunshine.

    The commissioner hasn't changed his mind:

    'Keith Chatinover now opposes HOW Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sent them to >>>> the Vineyard

    ...

    Chatinover, meanwhile, remained consistent with his earlier position on >>>> welcoming migrants, but he disagreed with how DeSantis went about
    sending them.

    "Again, Vineyarders support refugee resettlement—we just can’t
    adequately help them when given no advance notice," he tweeted
    Wednesday, adding that using the chaos of the situation "to prove a
    point" was "a blatant disregard" for human rights.'

    This is Fox News confirming your lie, Sunshine... ...not me.

    Sorry, Fool. That guy was ALL FOR illegals UNTIL they actually showed up - then they were an EMERGENCY!! Typical hypocritical libtard.
    They WERE an emergency...

    .because DeSantis sent them there with no warning and no chance for
    anyone at the other end to prepare for their arrival.

    LOL!

    Grandpa, what universe do you live in.

    I have a brother in law that lives in Tennessee. Illegals have been flown into the state with no warning. As you say, no chance to prepare.

    Here is one example dude:

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/2925281/biden-administration-secretly-flying-migrant-children-to-tennessee/#:~:text=SHOCKING%20video%20shows%20up%20to%2050%20migrant%20children,in%20the%20past%20week%20carrying%20migrant%20children%20.

    Once again, you fail in making your point but good try. You assume we are all idiots, bad assumption old man!

    '"States don't know when the unaccompanied minors are being brought into
    the states and that's the biggest challenge for us," Lee said.

    The White House says the children were traveling as part of a program to
    unite them with family and sponsors already in the US.

    That program has been in place since as early as 2014, and for all four
    years of the trump administration.

    Public federal data shows around 5,000 migrant children were released to families and sponsors in Tennessee under the Trump administration and
    about a thousand from October 2020 until now.

    So we asked Governor Lee, why is he expressing concern now, but not last
    year?'

    <https://fox17.com/news/local/thousands-of-migrant-children-came-to-tennessee-under-the-trump-administration-data-shows-chattanooga-nashville-knoxville-tennessee-immigration-southern-border-marsha-blackburn-bill-lee-hagerty>

    You lose again, Dickhead.

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