• Trump unknowingly had classified docs? Ignorance? Bliss?

    From bruce bowser@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 16 06:12:45 2022
    Ignorance is bliss, right?
    --------------
    "Trump's lawyer said transfer of documents to NARA was an 'open process'
    Evan Corcoran said the boxes of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were "unknowingly included among the boxes brought to Mar-a-Lago "

    Trump's Lawyer Said Transfer of Documents to NARA Was an 'Open Process' Business Insider - Aug 26, 2022
    -- https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-raid-lawyer-transfer-documents-nara-open-process-2022-8

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  • From Irving S@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Fri Sep 16 14:05:28 2022
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
    Ignorance is bliss, right?
    --------------
    "Trump's lawyer said transfer of documents to NARA was an 'open process' Evan Corcoran said the boxes of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were "unknowingly included among the boxes brought to Mar-a-Lago "

    Trump's Lawyer Said Transfer of Documents to NARA Was an 'Open Process' Business Insider - Aug 26, 2022
    -- https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-raid-lawyer-transfer-documents-nara-open-process-2022-8

    You fool, this is a golf group, you never talk about golf.

    Well, this weekend for me is the big member-guest. We play 18 holes, then have a gala in the evening with the spouses. Open bar, dancing, and a lot of comraderie. Then we play another 18 Sunday, and a traditional Texas BBQ to follow with live country
    music. Last year, we finished eighth, hoping to do better this year. Going to head out to the club in a few minutes and just hit wedges and chip, that is where these things are won. Pars don't cut it, you need birdies.


    Anyway, you worry about Trump, he lives in your head doofus, and I will golf. I will think of you at the gala, toast you, and laugh for a minute. The joke you are.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to bruce bowser on Fri Sep 16 16:38:34 2022
    On 2022-09-16 06:12, bruce bowser wrote:
    Ignorance is bliss, right?
    --------------
    "Trump's lawyer said transfer of documents to NARA was an 'open process'
    Evan Corcoran said the boxes of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were "unknowingly included among the boxes brought to Mar-a-Lago "

    Trump's Lawyer Said Transfer of Documents to NARA Was an 'Open Process' Business Insider - Aug 26, 2022
    -- https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-raid-lawyer-transfer-documents-nara-open-process-2022-8

    Hey!

    A new excuse!

    Or have the just recycled this?

    :-)

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Irving S on Fri Sep 16 16:39:07 2022
    On 2022-09-16 14:05, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
    Ignorance is bliss, right?
    --------------
    "Trump's lawyer said transfer of documents to NARA was an 'open process'
    Evan Corcoran said the boxes of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were "unknowingly included among the boxes brought to Mar-a-Lago "

    Trump's Lawyer Said Transfer of Documents to NARA Was an 'Open Process'
    Business Insider - Aug 26, 2022
    -- https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-raid-lawyer-transfer-documents-nara-open-process-2022-8

    You fool, this is a golf group, you never talk about golf.

    Well, this weekend for me is the big member-guest. We play 18 holes, then have a gala in the evening with the spouses. Open bar, dancing, and a lot of comraderie. Then we play another 18 Sunday, and a traditional Texas BBQ to follow with live
    country music. Last year, we finished eighth, hoping to do better this year. Going to head out to the club in a few minutes and just hit wedges and chip, that is where these things are won. Pars don't cut it, you need birdies.


    Anyway, you worry about Trump, he lives in your head doofus, and I will golf. I will think of you at the gala, toast you, and laugh for a minute. The joke you are.

    Bruce seems to live in your head...

    ...since you replied to this.

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Sep 18 22:30:47 2022
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 4:39:09 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-16 14:05, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
    Ignorance is bliss, right?
    --------------
    "Trump's lawyer said transfer of documents to NARA was an 'open process' >> Evan Corcoran said the boxes of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were "unknowingly included among the boxes brought to Mar-a-Lago "

    Trump's Lawyer Said Transfer of Documents to NARA Was an 'Open Process' >> Business Insider - Aug 26, 2022
    -- https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-raid-lawyer-transfer-documents-nara-open-process-2022-8

    You fool, this is a golf group, you never talk about golf.

    Well, this weekend for me is the big member-guest. We play 18 holes, then have a gala in the evening with the spouses. Open bar, dancing, and a lot of comraderie. Then we play another 18 Sunday, and a traditional Texas BBQ to follow with live country
    music. Last year, we finished eighth, hoping to do better this year. Going to head out to the club in a few minutes and just hit wedges and chip, that is where these things are won. Pars don't cut it, you need birdies.


    Anyway, you worry about Trump, he lives in your head doofus, and I will golf. I will think of you at the gala, toast you, and laugh for a minute. The joke you are.
    Bruce seems to live in your head...

    ...since you replied to this.

    What we know for SURE is that Shrillary had classified docs on her home-brew server for years.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Sep 19 00:33:45 2022
    On 2022-09-18 22:30, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 4:39:09 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-16 14:05, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
    Ignorance is bliss, right?
    --------------
    "Trump's lawyer said transfer of documents to NARA was an 'open process' >>>> Evan Corcoran said the boxes of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were "unknowingly included among the boxes brought to Mar-a-Lago "

    Trump's Lawyer Said Transfer of Documents to NARA Was an 'Open Process' >>>> Business Insider - Aug 26, 2022
    -- https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-raid-lawyer-transfer-documents-nara-open-process-2022-8

    You fool, this is a golf group, you never talk about golf.

    Well, this weekend for me is the big member-guest. We play 18 holes, then have a gala in the evening with the spouses. Open bar, dancing, and a lot of comraderie. Then we play another 18 Sunday, and a traditional Texas BBQ to follow with live country
    music. Last year, we finished eighth, hoping to do better this year. Going to head out to the club in a few minutes and just hit wedges and chip, that is where these things are won. Pars don't cut it, you need birdies.


    Anyway, you worry about Trump, he lives in your head doofus, and I will golf. I will think of you at the gala, toast you, and laugh for a minute. The joke you are.
    Bruce seems to live in your head...

    ...since you replied to this.

    What we know for SURE is that Shrillary had classified docs on her home-brew server for years.

    Nope.

    There is no proof of that at all.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to TomS on Mon Sep 19 03:56:12 2022
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:30:49 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 4:39:09 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-16 14:05, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
    Ignorance is bliss, right?
    --------------
    "Trump's lawyer said transfer of documents to NARA was an 'open process' >> Evan Corcoran said the boxes of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were "unknowingly included among the boxes brought to Mar-a-Lago "

    Trump's Lawyer Said Transfer of Documents to NARA Was an 'Open Process' >> Business Insider - Aug 26, 2022
    -- https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-raid-lawyer-transfer-documents-nara-open-process-2022-8

    ...
    Anyway, you worry about Trump, he lives in your head doofus...

    Bruce seems to live in your head...

    ...since you replied to this.

    What we know for SURE is that Shrillary had classified docs on her home-brew server for years.

    Not so. What was on Hillary's email server was at best a 'Spillage' even which apparently was then
    improperly handled through negligence, not malicious intent, as illustrated by how a triple-Republican
    majority's dozens of hearings resulted in no charges filed against her, let alone any convictions.

    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Sep 20 13:34:57 2022
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 6:56:13 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:30:49 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 4:39:09 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-16 14:05, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
    Ignorance is bliss, right?
    --------------
    "Trump's lawyer said transfer of documents to NARA was an 'open process'
    Evan Corcoran said the boxes of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were "unknowingly included among the boxes brought to Mar-a-Lago "

    Trump's Lawyer Said Transfer of Documents to NARA Was an 'Open Process'
    Business Insider - Aug 26, 2022
    -- https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-raid-lawyer-transfer-documents-nara-open-process-2022-8

    ...
    Anyway, you worry about Trump, he lives in your head doofus...

    Bruce seems to live in your head...

    ...since you replied to this.

    What we know for SURE is that Shrillary had classified docs on her home-brew server for years.

    Not so. What was on Hillary's email server was at best a 'Spillage' even which apparently was then
    improperly handled through negligence, not malicious intent, as illustrated by how a triple-Republican
    majority's dozens of hearings resulted in no charges filed against her, let alone any convictions.


    In the meantime…
    Trump: I declassified the documents.
    Special Master Dearie: Prove it.
    Trump: Why are people so mean?

    -hh

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  • From KenPitts@21:1/5 to -hh on Tue Sep 20 15:16:46 2022
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:34:59 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 6:56:13 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:30:49 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 4:39:09 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-16 14:05, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
    Ignorance is bliss, right?
    --------------
    "Trump's lawyer said transfer of documents to NARA was an 'open process'
    Evan Corcoran said the boxes of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were "unknowingly included among the boxes brought to Mar-a-Lago "

    Trump's Lawyer Said Transfer of Documents to NARA Was an 'Open Process'
    Business Insider - Aug 26, 2022
    -- https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-raid-lawyer-transfer-documents-nara-open-process-2022-8

    ...
    Anyway, you worry about Trump, he lives in your head doofus...

    Bruce seems to live in your head...

    ...since you replied to this.

    What we know for SURE is that Shrillary had classified docs on her home-brew server for years.

    Not so. What was on Hillary's email server was at best a 'Spillage' even which apparently was then
    improperly handled through negligence, not malicious intent, as illustrated by how a triple-Republican
    majority's dozens of hearings resulted in no charges filed against her, let alone any convictions.

    In the meantime…
    Trump: I declassified the documents.
    Special Master Dearie: Prove it.
    Trump: Why are people so mean?

    -hh

    Does anyone really think he packed those boxes himself or reviewed every document himself? Not familiar with the law, can the POTUS do a blanket declassification in a manner similar to a rabbi declaring an entire processing plant to be Kosher so that the
    products are also?

    Ken

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to KenPitts on Tue Sep 20 15:28:12 2022
    On 2022-09-20 15:16, KenPitts wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:34:59 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 6:56:13 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:30:49 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 4:39:09 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-16 14:05, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-4, bruce
    bowser wrote:
    Ignorance is bliss, right? -------------- "Trump's lawyer
    said transfer of documents to NARA was an 'open process'
    Evan Corcoran said the boxes of classified documents at
    Mar-a-Lago were "unknowingly included among the boxes
    brought to Mar-a-Lago "

    Trump's Lawyer Said Transfer of Documents to NARA Was an
    'Open Process' Business Insider - Aug 26, 2022 --
    https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-raid-lawyer-transfer-documents-nara-open-process-2022-8



    ...
    Anyway, you worry about Trump, he lives in your head
    doofus...

    Bruce seems to live in your head...

    ...since you replied to this.

    What we know for SURE is that Shrillary had classified docs on
    her home-brew server for years.

    Not so. What was on Hillary's email server was at best a
    'Spillage' even which apparently was then improperly handled
    through negligence, not malicious intent, as illustrated by how a
    triple-Republican majority's dozens of hearings resulted in no
    charges filed against her, let alone any convictions.

    In the meantime… Trump: I declassified the documents. Special
    Master Dearie: Prove it. Trump: Why are people so mean?

    -hh

    Does anyone really think he packed those boxes himself or reviewed
    every document himself? Not familiar with the law, can the POTUS do a
    blanket declassification in a manner similar to a rabbi declaring an
    entire processing plant to be Kosher so that the products are also?

    Does anyone other than you think it matters if he packed them himself?

    And NO: there is a declassification procedure in an EO that Donald Trump
    didn't modify.

    What a pity you know so little about your own country.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to KenPitts on Tue Sep 20 17:41:50 2022
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 6:16:47 PM UTC-4, KenPitts wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 3:34:59 PM UTC-5, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 6:56:13 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:30:49 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 4:39:09 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-09-16 14:05, Irving S wrote:
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
    Ignorance is bliss, right?
    --------------
    "Trump's lawyer said transfer of documents to NARA was an 'open process'
    Evan Corcoran said the boxes of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago were "unknowingly included among the boxes brought to Mar-a-Lago "

    Trump's Lawyer Said Transfer of Documents to NARA Was an 'Open Process'
    Business Insider - Aug 26, 2022
    -- https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-raid-lawyer-transfer-documents-nara-open-process-2022-8

    ...
    Anyway, you worry about Trump, he lives in your head doofus...

    Bruce seems to live in your head...

    ...since you replied to this.

    What we know for SURE is that Shrillary had classified docs on her home-brew server for years.

    Not so. What was on Hillary's email server was at best a 'Spillage' even which apparently was then
    improperly handled through negligence, not malicious intent, as illustrated by how a triple-Republican
    majority's dozens of hearings resulted in no charges filed against her, let alone any convictions.

    In the meantime…
    Trump: I declassified the documents.
    Special Master Dearie: Prove it.
    Trump: Why are people so mean?


    Does anyone really think he packed those boxes himself or reviewed every document himself?

    Doesn’t matter, what matters is who signed for the documents,
    as they’re ultimately responsible for their accountability. When
    there’s systematic loss of tracking & accountability, that fault
    resides on the boss.

    Not familiar with the law, can the POTUS do a blanket declassification
    in a manner similar to a rabbi declaring an entire processing plant to
    be Kosher so that the products are also?

    No. There is some that could theoretically be done, but the laws (signed
    by prior POTUS’s) knowingly and deliberately removed his own authority, assigning final authority to others for certain types of sensitive docs.

    But in all cases, there’s a written documentation trail, because there’s always
    more than one copy: the other holders must be notified of the change. Without that written & signed declassification authorization order, the declass doesn’t exist.

    -hh

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